2 Pastors and a Mic

After taking the summer off, Channock and Cory are back in the studio for a brand-new episode of Two Pastors and a Mic! In this episode, they share a full summer recap - from wild travel stories in Africa and Guatemala to exciting updates with ReLife, a powerful nonprofit initiative providing housing for single moms.

They also dive into the release of Channock’s book, Enough Already, Cory’s new emotional health ebook, and an upcoming 2026 intensive program. Plus, don’t miss the hilarious Ben Stiller story, the royalty necklace ceremony that empowered 80 Guatemalan kids, and a powerful conversation about what it means to live as royalty as sons and daughters of God.

00:00 – Welcome Back & Intro
00:42 – Audience Feedback on Shane Willard Episodes
02:15 – Shoutouts to Listeners & Supporters
04:22 – Funny Aldi & Ben Stiller Story
06:20 – Global Podcast Audience & Travel Updates
07:14 – Summer Recap & Back to Routine
09:03 – ReLife Updates: New HQ & Housing Projects
11:18 – ReLife Becomes an Official Nonprofit
13:07 – Book Release: Enough Already
14:27 – New Emotional Health Ebook & 2026 Intensive
17:00 – Africa Trip Experiences & Culture of Honor
21:32 – Necklace Ceremony & Bringing African Culture Home
23:59 – Empowering Orphans in Guatemala with Royalty Ceremony
26:05 – Hilarious Rat Story During African Service
27:21 – Reflections on Summer Ministry & Services
28:38 – Living as Royalty: Empowerment Message
31:58 – Closing Thoughts: You Are Loved & Royalty

Resources & Links:

- Get Channock’s book Enough Already: [https://www.amazon.com/Enough-Already-Private-Performance-Freedom/dp/1966818068]
- Download Cory’s free ebook: [https://coryrice.gumroad.com/l/emotionallywhole]
- Learn more about ReLife or get involved: https://thepowerofre.com

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In this special episode, we’re sharing an incredible message from Shane Willard, recorded live at Hill City Church.

Shane Willard takes us on a mind-blowing journey through the entire Bible in just 38 minutes! He unpacks how humanity’s understanding of God has evolved from distant and demanding to close and compassionate, all culminating in the revelation of Jesus Christ and God living in us.

00:00 - Welcome & Podcast Intro
00:45 - Book Release Reminder
01:13 - Introducing Shane Willard Sermon Series
02:40 - Shane Willard Takes the Stage
03:57 - Shane on Hospitality & Background
05:11 - Shane's Resource Table & Mission Work
06:26 - A Prayer Before the Sermon
06:56 - How to Understand the Whole Bible
08:14 - Five Words That Explain the Bible
09:36 - Abraham's Day: God Lived Up
12:03 - Moon, Fertility, and Ancient Beliefs
14:01 - Moses's Day: God Lived in a Tent
15:01 - David's Day: God Lived in a Temple
15:57 - Jesus's Day: God Lived in Flesh
16:54 - Paul's Day: God Lives in Us
17:44 - God Getting Nicer Through History
18:52 - Sacrifice & Mutilation in Ancient Times
21:04 - Abraham’s Encounter with El Shaddai
24:13 - God Moves from Child Sacrifice to Animal Sacrifice
26:31 - Moses's Revelation: One Sacrifice, One Cut
28:45 - Prophets Begin Shifting the Narrative
33:30 - Jesus's Radical Forgiveness Examples
36:08 - Salvation Outside Temple Rituals
40:08 - The Faith of Others Interceding
41:06 - God Always Like Jesus from the Beginning
42:48 - Whole Bible Summary Recap
43:23 - Blessing & Final Words from Shane
44:40 - Channock & Cory Closing Reflections
46:09 - Invitation to Support Shane’s Ministry
46:30 - Closing Blessing & Next Week’s Preview

In this special episode, Shane Willard brings a powerful, practical, and perspective-shifting message from Philippians 2. What does it really mean to “do all things without grumbling”? And how does our attitude impact the way the world sees Jesus in us?

With historical insights, psychological wisdom, and classic Shane humor, this sermon challenges us to stop complaining, regain perspective, and become people who shine like stars in a dark world.

00:00 - Intro & July Update  
00:50 - "Enough Already" Book Shoutout  
01:32 - Why Shane Willard Sermons This Month  
03:18 - Shane’s Intro & Mission  
06:11 - Opening the Bible: Philippians 2  
07:13 - Do All Things Without Grumbling  
10:35 - Historical Backdrop of Philippi  
13:49 - Paul’s Arrest & Final Words  
20:11 - Don’t Be Like the Grumbling Israelites  
21:05 - Grumbling as a Clanging Gong  
23:59 - Hope Requires Perspective  
25:56 - Be Part of the Song, Not the Gong  
27:26 - Why We Grumble  
30:53 - Perspective: Then vs. Now  
33:41 - Don’t Miss the Water for the Mud  
35:36 - Comparison & Sacred Object Syndrome  
39:00 - Freezing the Present  
42:57 - Final Summary: No Grumbling, Shine Like Stars  
43:50 - What This Means for Us

Is the Bible really as simple as we've made it? In this powerful message, Shane Willard unpacks why so many people are deconstructing their faith - not because they’re walking away from Jesus, but because they’re wrestling with how we’ve interpreted Scripture.

00:00 - Intro & July Update  
00:52 - Sermons by Shane Willard Explained  
03:12 - Why the Bible Is Under Attack  
07:21 - What Needs Deconstructing  
10:25 - Problems with Static Bible Reading  
12:21 - The Bible's Historical Arc  
18:02 - Genre Confusion & Biblical Interpretation  
24:40 - Questions About Hell, Heaven, & More  
29:40 - Is the Bible Simple?  
32:00 - Understanding the Book of Job  
40:00 - Wisdom Literature & Suffering  
43:00 - Deuteronomy & Problematic Passages  
53:00 - God and Genocide in Psalm 137  
54:00 - How to Read the Bible Faithfully

In this special episode of Two Pastors and a Mic, we share a thought-provoking message from Shane Willard that challenges the way many of us were taught to read the Bible.

Is the Bible simple, clear, and static - or is it ancient, diverse, and complex? Shane dives deep into the nature of inspiration, why Jesus and Paul approached Scripture so radically, and how truth is better understood through three layers: literal, symbolic, and evental.

00:00 - Welcome & Housekeeping  
01:04 - Introducing Shane Willard's Sermons  
02:45 - Why Share Shane's Messages  
03:11 - Opening Affirmation on Scripture  
04:37 - Paul & Jesus on Inspiration  
06:00 - Jesus' Radical Acts of Compassion  
08:15 - Meaning of Inspiration  
09:15 - Breath, Inspire, and Expire  
10:36 - The Bible as Ancient, Diverse, Complex  
13:33 - Three Layers of Truth: Literal, Symbolic, Evental  
17:06 - The Meaning of the Cross  
19:55 - The Power of Personal Meaning  
22:28 - Levels of Engagement with Scripture  
25:08 - Stories of Disobedience and Tragedy  
27:06 - Descriptive vs Prescriptive Scripture  
28:05 - Use of Fiction and External Literature  
28:47 - Contradictions & Evolving Views  
30:07 - Voices in Scripture: Victim, Accuser, Christ  
31:11 - How the Early Church Read Scripture  
31:51 - The Five Guiding Rules of Interpretation  
33:07 - Biblical vs Christ-Centered Society  
34:36 - Genre-Specific Interpretation  
35:18 - Incarnational Nature of Scripture  
35:38 - The Bible as a Pilgrimage Story  
36:22 - Examples of Genre and Literary Devices  
37:42 - Human Voice in Scripture  
39:49 - Doubting an Unworthy Image of Jesus  
40:10 - Break Before Next Session

In this powerful message from Shane Willard, originally shared at the CIM Network Conference hosted by Hill City Church, we explore one of the most challenging and freeing questions for the Church today: Are we building fences to keep people out, or digging wells to draw people in?

Using the story of the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, Shane unpacks what it means to move from a fence-based to a well-based faith - where inclusion, love, and transformation take priority over exclusion and rule-keeping. This teaching will stretch your perspective, challenge old paradigms, and inspire you to reimagine what it means to be a follower of Jesus in today’s world.

00:00 - Intro & Podcast Update
01:14 - Why We’re Sharing Shane Willard’s Sermons
02:54 - Shane’s Opening & Vision for the Weekend
06:48 - Two Framing Stories
10:46 - From Fences to Wells
11:13 - Acts 8 and the Eunuch's Question
17:05 - Fence-Based vs. Well-Based Paradigms
23:03 - The Unexpected Fruit in Ethiopia
23:47 - 10 Contrasts Between Fence & Well-Based Churches
27:06 - Hiddenness vs. Honesty in Church Culture
28:09 - Measuring Distance vs. Direction
31:24 - The Atheist Door Greeter Story
33:04 - Legal Transaction vs. Way of Life
36:12 - Heaven Now, Not Just Someday
37:01 - God for Me vs. God for the World
39:06 - From ‘Saved’ to ‘Thirsty’
40:09 - What Makes a Thirsty Culture?
41:47 - Jesus Redefines Access at the Temple
43:30 - Wrestling With Application
47:56 - Are We Digging Wells or Building Fences?
49:06 - Final Blessing & Challenge

In this episode, we celebrate the release of Channock's first book, Enough Already. Hear the behind-the-scenes journey of writing, the emotional breakthroughs along the way, and why this legacy project matters. Whether you're an aspiring author or just love a good redemption story, this one will inspire you.

00:00 - Intro & Birthday Shoutout
00:51 - The Book Is Officially Live!
01:52 - Why Channock Wrote "Enough Already"
03:16 - Accountability and the 3-Year Delay
04:49 - The Shancock Bante Alter Ego
06:32 - Wrestling with Identity and Freedom
08:00 - Writing Process and Chapter Development
10:45 - Tools and Help Along the Way
12:21 - Misconceptions About Shancock Bante
13:54 - Childhood, Church Trauma, and Expectations
15:00 - Creating the Book Outline
16:06 - The War Room Milestone
17:36 - Editing, Reordering, and Final Chapter
19:05 - Favorite and Hardest Chapters to Write
21:00 - Full Chapter Titles Overview
23:22 - Chapter Highlights and Reflections
25:02 - Title Meaning: Enough Already
26:16 - A Bold and Vulnerable Confession
27:00 - Final Thoughts and Encouragement

In this episode, we sit down with Jamie Englehart to talk grace, identity, emotional health, and spiritual growth. Jamie unpacks the difference between objective and subjective truth and shares why emotional healing is essential before spiritual maturity. We also discuss Channock’s new book Enough Already - launching June 25 on Amazon!

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00:00 - Intro & Book Launch
01:21 - Jamie Englehart Joins the Conversation
03:27 - Jamie’s Impact and Ministry Heart
04:25 - Objective vs Subjective Truth
07:04 - Faith, Healing, and Experiencing Truth
10:03 - True Gospel and Experiential Transformation
11:09 - Advice for Young Leaders
13:05 - Emotional Health Before Theology
17:01 - Study People, Not Just Theology
19:48 - Fathers Meet Needs, Not All Needs
20:59 - What Hills Are You Willing to Die On?
26:59 - All Are Children of God
27:59 - Upcoming Africa Trip & Staying Grounded
29:46 - Follow Jamie & Final Words
30:04 - Outro

In this episode, we welcome back Dr. Robin Smit to talk all things writing, publishing, and legacy. Whether you’ve dreamed of writing a book or just need a creative nudge, this conversation is packed with encouragement, practical advice, and stories that will inspire you to start.

00:00 - Intro & Welcome  
00:52 - Special Guest: Dr. Robin Smit Returns  
01:44 - Why Everyone Should Write a Book  
02:36 - Founding of TWWS (The Writers' Society)  
03:28 - From Workshops to Publishing  
04:20 - Helping Authors Like Don Keathley & Tommy Miller
05:12 - Saying Yes to Empowering Writers  
06:04 - Publishing Growth & Author Milestones  
06:56 - The Legacy Society & Honoring Seasoned Voices  
07:48 - Co-Authored Projects: Free to Give, Gather & Be Free  
08:40 - Finding Your Voice: Women Authors Project  
09:32 - Resurrection Life: Poetry & Art Collaboration  
10:24 - Workshops for Aspiring Authors  
11:16 - The Mentoring Workshop Experience  
12:08 - Robin’s Tips for New Writers  
13:00 - Channock’s Journey to Becoming an Author  
13:52 - Writing for Legacy and Family  
14:44 - How to Start: Write One Story at a Time  
15:36 - The Power of Momentum in Writing  
16:28 - Memoirs That Transform Lives  
17:20 - Don’t Let Your Story Die with You  
18:12 - Legacy over Bestseller Status  
19:04 - How to Connect with Robin & TWWS  
19:56 - Final Encouragement & Podcast Sign-Off

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Robin Smit to discuss her book Behold the Lamb, the finished work of Christ, and why our identity as sinless is a game-changer. Packed with insight, encouragement, and powerful truths about grace, we think you'll enjoy this conversation.

00:00 - Welcome and Milestone Announcement
01:10 - Introducing Dr. Robin Smit
01:49 - Book Series Overview & Two-Part Interview
02:24 - Travel and Author Update
02:44 - Robin’s Writing Journey Begins
03:41 - From Article to First Book
04:48 - Publishing Strategy and Second Book
05:35 - Writing Challenges and Book Three
06:04 - Behold the Lamb: Doctoral Dissertation
06:38 - Why “Behold the Lamb” Matters
07:52 - How Many Books Has Robin Written?
08:54 - Roots of Grace Revelation
09:53 - Embracing Whole Redemption Now
10:42 - Once You See It, You Can’t Unsee It
11:55 - Key Teachings and Identity Language
13:00 - Exploring Sin as Dysfunction
14:06 - Adam’s Identity as Son of God
14:58 - Book Recommendation & Wrap-Up