The word "entrepreneur" for a pre-COVID generation might conjure the co-working tech startup image. Or the smile on the face of Zoom founders right now. It's less common to think about established businesses, or household names, as the frontier of entrepreneurship. But as many of us are currently realising, innovation is the name of the game. So the question becomes how does an organisation encourage or create the right environment for its teams to innovate? Particularly in the going out economy which has borne the brunt of physical distancing, and many think won't be the same, at least not for a while.

The latest guest on the Back of House podcast Kathy Savill is someone who is experiencing this crisis while looking for her next challenge. Our discussion takes us through her serial startups which include naming and branding Schoolies, through to her time at Merivale which kicked off during the GFC and led to initiatives like March into Merivale amongst others. A must listen for anyone looking for guidance on leading teams in our sector, while encouraging innovation.