Get ready to go behind the curtain of one of the pet care industry’s most influential yet often misunderstood organizations—IBPSA. In this episode, Fern brings on Carmen Rustenbeck and Brian Remo to share the real story of how this trade association came to be, what it actually does for your business, and why now might be the most important time to get involved. It’s not just about standards and certifications—this is about community, advocacy, and giving you a serious edge in an industry that’s evolving fast.

Plus, hear all about IBPSA’s new kind of conference happening this September—hint: it’s not business as usual. Brian spills the details on how this immersive, no-fluff event will shake up the way pet pros gather, learn, and grow. Whether you’re a seasoned operator or just getting your feet wet, you’ll want to hear how this bold new format aims to unify the industry and tackle real, raw issues head-on.