Joseph and John talk writing, musicals, mythology, and Clemency for the Wizard King from the Mountain Goats’ latest album, In League With Dragons. Featuring an exclusive demo of the song.

In League With Dragons is out now on Merge Records. Get it at mergerecords.com/in-league-with-dragons. For more information, go to ionlylistentothemountaingoats.com.

From Night Vale Presents. Produced by Christy Gressman.

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