If you’ve ever felt like you're stuck in a revolving door of employees, this episode is about to hit home. Fern teams up once again with his buddy and business retreat co-host Patrick Lyons for a deep dive into the real reasons your team might be walking out the door—and what you can actually do about it. Spoiler: it’s not just about the money. They unpack fresh research and real-life experiences to reveal the five key drivers behind employee turnover in the pet care space (and beyond).

This conversation doesn’t just scratch the surface—it offers practical strategies you can implement right now to create a workplace people actually want to stick around in. From rethinking how you train and promote, to building real connections with your staff, this one’s packed with insights that might just change how you run your business. If keeping great people feels like an uphill battle, don’t miss this one.