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There is more going on than you realize. The man with the ladder and the woman with the clipboard aren't who you think they are. They are not supposed to be there. Jeremy N. Smith, investigative journalist, podcast host, and author of the non-fiction book Breaking and Entering: The Extraordinary Story of a Hacker Called "Alien," learned this on his journey into the hacking community. As he followed "Alien," he discovered some very disturbing things. That man walking around the hospital with a nice salad was a hacker who had glided past security. He soon uncovered that the stereotypical hooded teenager isn't what most hackers look like. Who are these mysterious people? They are not who you think they are. Join the fascinating discussion as Mr. Jeremy reveals some deeply hidden details. 

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