In this episode of the Good Dirt Podcast, hosts Emma and Mary return from winter break with a special interview featuring repeat guest Paul Hawken, the acclaimed environmentalist, author, and activist. They discuss Hawken's new book, 'Carbon, the Book of Life,' which explores the multifaceted role of carbon in our universe, challenging the prevailing view of carbon as merely a climatic culprit. Hawken shares his profound insights on the interconnectedness of all life and how shifting our perception of carbon can foster a deeper understanding of our relationship with where we live. Key themes include the limitations of current climate messaging, the emotional and intellectual journey of understanding carbon, and the need for a holistic approach to resolving environmental crises.

📖 Preorder Carbon:The Book of Life → Click here (Available in the U.S. on March 18, 2025)

00:00 Introduction to Carbon and Climate Messaging

01:50 Welcome Back to Good Dirt Podcast

03:56 Introducing Paul Hawken and His New Book

06:29 Paul Hawken on the Inspiration Behind His Work

07:37 The Role of Carbon in Climate Change

12:48 Challenges in Climate Messaging

17:21 The Interconnectedness of Life and Carbon

24:06 Stories of Connection in the Natural World

29:29 Elephant Mourning Rituals

29:45 The Intelligence of Animals

30:20 Understanding Our Place in the World

31:41 The Interconnectedness of Trees

33:33 Indigenous Knowledge and Environmental Awareness

35:59 The Role of Science in Rediscovering Nature

46:35 AI and Environmental Impact

54:01 The Importance of Grief and Heartbreak

01:00:48 Final Thoughts and Reflections

Books/Articles

Bill McKibben/ Global Warming's Terrifying New Math

Lawrence Anthony/ The Elephant Whisperer

Frans De Waal/ Are We Smart Enough to Know How Smart Animals Are?

Karen Bakker/ The Sounds of Life

Zoe Schlanger/ The LIght Eaters

Suzanne Simard/ Finding the Mother Tree

Dara McAnulty/ Diary of a Young Naturalist

Ed Conway/ Material World

📖 Preorder Carbon: The Book of Life → Click here (Available in the U.S. on March 18, 2025)

🌎 Connect with Paul:

🔗 Website: paulhawken.com

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Original music by John Kingsley.

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