Everyone's talking about AI—but are we thinking about it the right way? In this special one-year anniversary episode, I finally dive into the AI conversation with Josh Penzell, who challenges us to see AI not as a tool, but as a teammate. This conversation isn't about learning prompts—it's about shifting mindsets and imagining what's possible when we stop trying to make faster horses and start building something entirely new.

Josh and Jess Discuss

• Using AI as a collaborative team member and not a tool.
• Working with AI as a brainstorming partner to reduce cognitive load and improve creativity.
• Developing our skills working with AI, instead of spending time figuring out how to use AI.
• Thinking about AI as a student and our L&D participants as teachers.
• How AI provides an entirely new infinity point of what's possible, busting through current scarcity models and resource restrictions.
• Shifting from the traditional L&D approach focused on creating optimized, one-size-fits-all learning experiences to one that enables individualized learning.

About Josh Penzell

Josh Penzell is the VP of AI-Driven Transformation at ELB Learning and Founder and Chief Transformation Officer at Imagination Applied. He helps organizations rethink how they integrate AI—not as a tool, but as a collaborative force that enhances learning, leadership, and innovation.

With a career spanning Amazon Alexa, Zillow Rentals, and Skillsoft, Josh brings a unique perspective that blends corporate strategy with his background as a musical theater director. This fusion of disciplines led to the creation of TheaterThink®, a methodology that applies storytelling, improvisation, and systems thinking to help businesses navigate change, drive transformation, and make AI work for humans, not against them.

A sought-after speaker at industry events like ATD, Learning Technologies, and Training Industry conferences, Josh is also one of the 14% of qualified autistic professionals in corporate leadership. He is a strong advocate for neurodiversity, AI ethics, and adaptive leadership, helping organizations shift their mindset from AI as a disruptor to AI as an enabler.

Find and connect with Josh Penzell

• LinkedIn
• ELB Learning
• Email: [email protected]
• AI Assistant: JoshPGPT.AI

Find and connect with Jess Almlie

• LinkedIn
• Website: jessalmlie.com
• L&D Must Change Newsletter

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