Today, Caroline and Liz continue to discuss the fallout from Axel Rudakaban’s guilty pleas.

They also chat to criminologist Professor David Wilson about the case, who explains his theories about Rudakubana and why he might have been driven to kill and why that police mug shot may have been part of his plan to become notorious. 

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