In this episode of Preconceived, Zale explores the concept of happiness and melancholy with Professor Julie Norem, a psychology expert from Wellesley College. They delve into the strategy of defensive pessimism, discussing how it can be a beneficial approach for managing anxiety and achieving goals. The conversation also touches on societal pressures to maintain constant happiness and the value of embracing negative emotions as part of a rich, authentic life.

Check out Julie's book at https://www.amazon.ca/Positive-Power-Negative-Thinking/dp/0465051391

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