It's WWDC week, and this time we're catching up with Russell Ivanovic and Marc Edwards, both founders of independent app development companies in Australia. We spent this hour chatting about Google I/O, iOS, Material Design and more. We're also in the running for Podcast of the Year!

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2:00 - What're you working on?

5:00 - How did you two meet?

8:00 - How do you see your companies growing in the next few years?

12:00 - We chat Android design.

16:00 - What are your reactions to the announcements from Google I/O?

20:00 - We get Marc's thoughts on Yosemite + iOS.

28:00 - And Russell shares his thoughts on Material Design.

33:00 - How does Material Design cascade down to Android Wear?

36:00 - We share our opinions on the latest hardware changes, like force touch and haptic feedback.

48:00 - Russell busts the Android fragmentation misconception.