This week we've got a special episode, a longer one than we normally do. But when you have an opportunity, to talk to the person who built the Rotman School of Management into the powerhouse it is today, you have to use every minute you get.

Roger L. Martin was told that the Toronto's Rotman School wasn't worth his time, that it was a quote – cesspool of intrigue. Roger himself will say that he didn't do much in his 15 years as dean, just tinkering and prodding. He's a bit of an understated enigma, as you'll soon find out. But when Rotman's prestige today ranks up there with Stanford and Harvard, you can't really argue with his results.

There's so much to mine in this conversation, we thought it would be a shame to cut it down and fit it within our normal episode length. If you have the time, I'd love for you to give it more than just one listen.