Sam Harris speaks with "Destiny" (Steven Bonnell) about politics and public debate. They discuss how he approaches debate, "Trump derangement syndrome," January 6th, why Trump's norm violations don't matter to many people, misadventures on the information landscape, social media and the problem of being too online, Islam and conflict in the Middle East, the difference between the far left and the far right, the lack of sane conservative policies to counterbalance the left, whether the pendulum is swinging back on the left, the ethics and politics of apology, private friendships and public disagreements, and other topics.

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