He never saw it coming. It was the night of Dave and Ann's tenth wedding anniversary and if asked how their marriage was doing, Dave would have given them a 9.8 /10. But instead of a celebratory kiss, Ann whispered, "I don’t have any feelings left for you.”

In this episode, Juli talks with Dave and Ann Wilson about how Ann’s efforts to "help" her husband only served to undermine the very connection she was trying to create.

Guests: Dave & Ann Wilson, Hannah Nitz

Show notes:

"Vertical Marriage" by Dave & Ann Wilson*

"Finding the Hero in Your Husband, Revisited" Juli's new book*

Love Like You Mean It Cruise 2022

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