Is being vegan or plant based the future, and what's the difference? This starts off an incredible conversation with Ella Mills, aka Deliciously Ella, a shining light in the plant based movement with best selling books and energy balls on our supermarket shelves. We chat about defining plant based nutrition, vegan backlash, food sustainability, food taste, climate change, eating your veggies, how awesome we both feel, Ella's new products and much more. An inspiring, refreshing and candid discussion. Check her out @DeliciouslyElla

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