This episode explores the inevitability of suffering in our lives, and how to skilfully deal with it so it’s not as overwhelming; and so we don’t always turn to distraction and avoidance to cope when things go wrong. Niall Breslin talks to Tomi Reichenthal, Holocaust survivor, about recognising and turning towards aversion rather than running from it, and reflecting on the human capacity to live with unimaginable suffering. He also speaks with world-renowned Buddhist writer and teacher Sharon Salzberg on how we can be with suffering in a more meaningful way.

Produced by Niall Breslin and Ciara O’Connor Walsh

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