In this powerful and deeply personal episode of the National Fire Radio podcast, Jeremy Donch sits down with Bo Butler for an unfiltered conversation about leadership, integrity, sacrifice, and the true cost of doing what is right. What begins as a discussion rooted in public service and firehouse culture quickly evolves into an honest examination of identity, purpose, and moral conviction.

Bo Butler shares his story of being thrust into the national spotlight after taking a public stand as Fire Chief in Londonderry, New Hampshire. Faced with mounting pressure to reduce staffing despite overwhelming voter support for increased fire protection, Bo refused to compromise the safety of his firefighters or the will of the community. That decision ultimately led to his resignation and changed the course of his life. In this episode, Bo opens up about what happened after the cameras turned off and the applause faded, including the personal toll on his family, his career, and his sense of belonging.

The conversation explores the weight of leadership and the reality that every decision carries consequences. Bo speaks candidly about regret and resolve, and how both can exist at the same time. He reflects on the pain of walking away from the people he loved most in the fire service and the grief that followed. He also explains why integrity and character were lines he could not cross, even when presented with the opportunity to return and reclaim his position.

Jeremy and Bo dive into broader themes that extend far beyond the fire service, including mentorship, faith, accountability, and personal growth. Bo discusses his military service, how faith guided him through adversity, and how purpose and fulfillment became central to his healing after leaving the firehouse. He shares how losing his identity forced him to confront himself, and how that process ultimately led him to a new mission as a Chief People Officer in the private sector, where he continues to lead, mentor, and serve others.

This episode is not about tactics or tools. It is about being human. It is about making hard choices when the easy ones would cost you your integrity. It is about family, legacy, mentorship, and the responsibility leaders carry both on and off the job. Most importantly, it is a reminder that character matters, and that doing the right thing often comes at a personal cost, but it is a cost worth paying. This is a conversation every firefighter, leader, and human being can learn from.