In this episode, Jeremy and Joe continue their deep dive into hobby dynamics from the entertainment economics of breaking and repacks to the resignation of SGC President Peter Steinberg and the grading company’s uncertain future.

This conversation spans the philosophical and financial layers of the hobby, who’s actually collecting, who’s chasing, and how grading companies are shifting the terrain beneath our feet.

Topics include:

A candid story about a collector who’s already spent $50K on Whatnot in 6 months

Why some say breaking and repacks are “the idiot tax” and why that may be unfair

How many owners a card has before it finds its “forever home"

Pete Steinberg’s resignation from SGC and what it signals about the brand’s future

Whether Collectors is sunsetting SGC or repositioning it

Joe’s personal journey with SGC: trust, regret, and the future of his slabs

Why PSA’s grading monopoly might not be good for the hobby

Whether repacks create pressure on wax prices and if they’re here to stay

This one’s for the thinkers, the skeptics, and the collectors who want to understand where the hobby is heading.

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