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David Kinnaman sits down with Lisa Fields, founder and CEO of the Jude 3 Project, to discuss how pastors can disciple people through doubt, deconstruction and spiritual disappointment. She shares practical wisdom on listening well, fostering spiritual healing and leading from a place of emotional health.

Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller open the conversation by reflecting on the realities of deconstruction in their own ministry contexts, the importance of curiosity and compassion in addressing doubt and how pastors can create safe spaces for hard questions.

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• Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
• Learn more about Jude 3 Project at Jude 3 Project.
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