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Sharon Hodde Miller talks with Nona Jones about how rejection can shape your purpose and strengthen your ministry. Drawing from her own experiences in leadership, Nona shares how pastors can process hurt, set healthy expectations in relationships and stay resilient in the face of challenges.

Episode Links

• Download Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at barna.com/measuring-what-matters.
• Check out Nona Jones's book, The Gift of Rejection, wherever books are sold.
• Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
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Rich Villodas talks with Jackie Hill Perry and Preston Perry about navigating the pull of technology, setting healthy family rhythms and keeping their marriage strong in the midst of ministry demands. They share honest insights on creating space for connection, managing digital distractions and trusting God with the pressures of parenting and leadership.

Episode Links

• Download Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at Barna.com/measuring-what-matters.
• Hear more from Jackie & Preston on With The Perrys.
• Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
• View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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Sharon Hodde Miller talks with Robby Angle about relational discipleship, building small groups that foster real growth and why changing church culture takes time. They explore practical steps for investing in leaders, cultivating meaningful relationships and trusting God with the slow but lasting work of discipleship. 

Episode Links

• Learn how RightNow Pastors Plus equips ministry leaders with on-demand training at rnow.me/plus.
• Check out True Face for resources on relational discipleship.
• Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
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Rich Villodas talks with Tyler Staton about helping people experience God in meaningful ways. They explore practical steps for creating space for the Holy Spirit, how to pastor in a spiritually open culture and why awakening desire is key to connecting with today's generation. Tyler also shares insights on preaching, prayer and learning to lead with courage.

Episode Links

• Download Barna's Thriving Church booklet for 15 key dimensions of church health at barna.com/measuring-what-matters.
• Check out Tyler Staton's new book, The Familiar Stranger, wherever books are sold.
• Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
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Glenn Packiam sits down with Dr. Daniel Muvengi (from World Vision International) to discuss the challenges pastors in Kenya are navigating, the pressures of parenting in ministry and how the Church is working to strengthen families. They also explore ways that churches in the West can learn from the resilience and perspectives of the global church. 

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• Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
• Get World Vision’s free resource on parenting: Parenting the Open Generation
• View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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David Kinnaman sits down with Lisa Fields, founder and CEO of the Jude 3 Project, to discuss how pastors can disciple people through doubt, deconstruction and spiritual disappointment. She shares practical wisdom on listening well, fostering spiritual healing and leading from a place of emotional health.

Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller open the conversation by reflecting on the realities of deconstruction in their own ministry contexts, the importance of curiosity and compassion in addressing doubt and how pastors can create safe spaces for hard questions.

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• Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
• Learn more about Jude 3 Project at Jude 3 Project.
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Rich Villodas sits down with Jennie Allen, founder of IF:Gathering and Gather25, to talk about mobilizing the global church and discipling the next generation. Jennie describes the growing spiritual hunger she’s witnessing across the world, how pastors can help their churches connect with the global movement of God, and why now is the time for believers everywhere to unite in prayer, worship and mission. She also shares the vision behind Gather25, a 25-hour global event that will highlight stories of faith, transformation and evangelism from every continent.

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• Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
• Learn more about Gather25 at Gather25.com.
• Explore Barna’s latest research on the next generation at BarnaAccess.com.
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In this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with Jay Kim, lead pastor of WestGate Church in Silicon Valley, to discuss how to cultivate healthy teams in ministry. Jay shares actionable insights on fostering trust, navigating generational shifts in team dynamics and implementing consistent feedback loops to support growth and alignment for church teams.

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• Watch this episode on Barna’s YouTube Channel.
• Sign up for the free State of the Church 2025 webcast at StateoftheChurch.com.
• Learn more about Jay’s books Analog Christian and Analog Church.
• View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on our podcast page.

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Glenn Packiam sits down with Shaila Visser, National Director of Alpha Canada and Dan Blythe, Global Youth Director for Alpha, to explore how pastors and church leaders can reimagine evangelism in today’s cultural landscape. Together, they share key findings from The Open Generation research and the creation of the Youth Alpha film series, offering practical insights on fostering intergenerational ministry, empowering young leaders and creating authentic spaces for faith exploration. Shaila and Dan also highlight the importance of listening in evangelism and the power of prayer in joining the Holy Spirit's work.

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• Watch this episode on Barna's YouTube Channel.
• Access The Open Generation research and insights on Barna Access Plus.
• Learn more about the Alpha Youth Series at Alpha.org/youth.
• View all Resilient Pastor podcast episodes on Barna's podcast page.

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Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for a special live recording of The Resilient Pastor podcast as they explore the unique challenges ministry places on marriages. Together, they share practical insights, actionable steps and key strategies to help leaders safeguard their relationships and overcome common hurdles.

Whether you're looking to strengthen your partnership or connect with others navigating similar challenges, this episode offers valuable wisdom and encouragement to help your marriage thrive in the pressures of ministry.

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