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David Kinnaman sits down with Lisa Fields, founder and CEO of the Jude 3 Project, to discuss how pastors can disciple people through doubt, deconstruction and spiritual disappointment. She shares practical wisdom on listening well, fostering spiritual healing and leading from a place of emotional health.

Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller open the conversation by reflecting on the realities of deconstruction in their own ministry contexts, the importance of curiosity and compassion in addressing doubt and how pastors can create safe spaces for hard questions.

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Rich Villodas sits down with Jennie Allen, founder of IF:Gathering and Gather25, to talk about mobilizing the global church and discipling the next generation. Jennie describes the growing spiritual hunger she’s witnessing across the world, how pastors can help their churches connect with the global movement of God, and why now is the time for believers everywhere to unite in prayer, worship and mission. She also shares the vision behind Gather25, a 25-hour global event that will highlight stories of faith, transformation and evangelism from every continent.

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• Learn more about Gather25 at Gather25.com.
• Explore Barna’s latest research on the next generation at BarnaAccess.com.
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In this episode, Glenn Packiam sits down with Jay Kim, lead pastor of WestGate Church in Silicon Valley, to discuss how to cultivate healthy teams in ministry. Jay shares actionable insights on fostering trust, navigating generational shifts in team dynamics and implementing consistent feedback loops to support growth and alignment for church teams.

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• Sign up for the free State of the Church 2025 webcast at StateoftheChurch.com.
• Learn more about Jay’s books Analog Christian and Analog Church.
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Glenn Packiam sits down with Shaila Visser, National Director of Alpha Canada and Dan Blythe, Global Youth Director for Alpha, to explore how pastors and church leaders can reimagine evangelism in today’s cultural landscape. Together, they share key findings from The Open Generation research and the creation of the Youth Alpha film series, offering practical insights on fostering intergenerational ministry, empowering young leaders and creating authentic spaces for faith exploration. Shaila and Dan also highlight the importance of listening in evangelism and the power of prayer in joining the Holy Spirit's work.

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• Access The Open Generation research and insights on Barna Access Plus.
• Learn more about the Alpha Youth Series at Alpha.org/youth.
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Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for a special live recording of The Resilient Pastor podcast as they explore the unique challenges ministry places on marriages. Together, they share practical insights, actionable steps and key strategies to help leaders safeguard their relationships and overcome common hurdles.

Whether you're looking to strengthen your partnership or connect with others navigating similar challenges, this episode offers valuable wisdom and encouragement to help your marriage thrive in the pressures of ministry.

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Join Glenn Packiam, Rich Villodas and Sharon Hodde Miller for another season of conversations to equip you in your ministry work. In this upcoming season, we’ll be covering more pressing topics, including  the relational health of pastors, engaging with the work of the global church and practical ministry challenges for pastors and leaders.  

New episodes start on January 2, 2025 and will be released every other Thursday. Subscribe to never miss an episode!

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Pete Scazzero sits down with Rich Villodas to  reflect on the lessons learned from his ministry journey. Together, they discuss the unique temptations pastors need to be on guard against, practical ways for pastors to lead out of their marriage and advice for the young leaders to sustain in ministry long-term.

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• Watch the full State of Pastors webcast replay
• Access the State of Pastors journal on Barna Access Plus
• Check out Rich Villodas’ new book: The Narrow Path: How the Subversive Way of Jesus Satisfies Our Souls

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Jimmy and Irene Rollins join Sharon Hodde Miller to share their own journey of overcoming addiction and unpack some of the unique challenges facing pastors’ marriages. They also share some practical ways pastors can guard the health of their marriages and offer guidance on ways congregations can better support pastors and their families.

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• Learn more about Two Equals One Ministry: Two Equals One Ministry
• Check out the Rollins’ latest book: Two Equals One Book
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Glenn Packiam and Mark Matlock discuss how pastors can create a church environment that is open to spiritual exploration, what needs to change in our current approach to reaching the spiritually curious and some practical tips to starting those conversations. 

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• Learn more about Mark Matlock’s latest book, Faith For The Curious: How an Era of Spiritual Openness Shapes the Way We Live and Help Others Follow Jesus

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Rich Villodas sits down with Megan Fate Marshman to discuss the impact of grief on spirituality and how her own grief journey has affected the way she leads. Together, they discuss different struggles she has faced as a preacher and how to slow down in today’s hustle culture. 

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• Learn more about Megan Marshman’s latest book, Relaxed: Walking with the One Who Is Not Worried about a Thing

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