Most people plan for retirement like it's an on-off switch—decades of grinding followed by one big leap into the unknown. But what if you've never practiced living without work? Jillian Johnsrud, author of Retire Often, challenges this all-or-nothing approach by introducing a framework that's gaining traction in the FI community: mini retirements.

These aren't sabbaticals to binge Netflix or catch up on sleep. They're intentional breaks—one month or longer—designed to practice the life you're building toward while you still have the safety net of returning to work. Jillian argues that mini retirements serve as "capital investments" in experiences, relationships, and self-discovery, offering a way to test-drive retirement before you're locked in. For those navigating the "boring middle" of the FI journey, mini retirements provide a reset that balances short-term living with long-term financial goals.

Brad and Jillian explore how life's unpredictability—aging parents, shifting health, fleeting opportunities—makes waiting for traditional retirement a risky bet. They discuss overcoming the fear of stepping away from work, focusing on one or two meaningful goals during a break (not 87), and why practicing mini retirements builds confidence for the eventual transition out of full-time work. Jillian also introduces the concept of leveraging "the fear of regret" as a motivator and shares how mini retirements can help you navigate life transitions, recover from burnout, and design a life that doesn't defer happiness.

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