The Splendid Table: Conversations & Recipes For Curious Cooks & Eaters

755: Special Sauce with René Redzepi, Diep Tran, and Khushbu Shah


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This week, we talk about different umami-packed sauces that belong in every cook's kitchen. First, we sit with René Redzepi of Copenhagen's Noma to talk about the delicious ancient sauce, garum. Originally it's a fermented fish sauce, but his fermentation lab team has developed modern versions, including vegan ones. We chat with Diep Tran, coauthor of the Red Boat Fish Sauce cookbook, to talk about ways to use the Southeast Asian fish sauce we know today. She left us with a delicious recipe for Seared Pork Chops with Broken Rice. Then, we sit with restaurant editor at Food & Wine magazine, Khushbu Shah, to talk about the greatness that is Maggi. Whether you know Maggi as a sauce, instant noodles, or bouillon cubes, it's beloved across the entire world. 


Broadcast dates for this episode:



  • April 22, 2022 (originally aired)


  • April 28, 2023 (rebroadcast)






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