Is it enough to calculate the amount of debt you have and focus exclusively on making that number smaller? I'm an accountant and a licensed insolvency trustee, so to me, the numbers matters. That being said, getting into debt and struggling to get out of debt again has a lot to do with behaviour and mindset. 

My guest today first appeared on episode 14 of Debt Free in 30 to talk about his newly released book, Wealthing Like Rabbits and followed up that interview with one about good debt vs. bad debt. Robert Brown is back to shed some light on the importance of changing our perspective about debt.