Evan Wickham is a pastor, church planter, song writer, and worship leader. He's the pastor of Park Hill church in San Diego and has been wrestling with how to handle CA governor Gavin Newsom's order against indoor church gatherings. Should Christian churches obey or disobey this order? How essential are large indoor gatherings for "being" the church? Are Christians being persecuted?

We also discuss the weirdly controversial topic of wearing masks.

Should we do it? Protest it? What's the rationale for wearing or not wearing a mask?