Are many vegans self-righteous, overbearing and insufferable in their efforts to recruit us? Would you believe "overpopulation" is still a taboo word? Or that human population numbers are still an "off-limits" topic at some conferences? This episode continues the conversation we began in episode 79 with five smart people: Nandita Bajaj, executive director of Population Balance Sarah Bexell, director of humane education at the Institute for Human Animal Connection at University of Denver Paul Sutton, professor of geography & the environment at DU Stephanie Gardner, co-host of the GrowthBusters podcast Dave Gardner, co-host of the GrowthBusters podcast MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE:

Population Balance https://populationbalance.org

Population Denialism is Reminiscent of Climate Denialism - by Kirsten Stade https://www.ipsnews.net/2023/05/population-denialism-reminiscent-climate-denialism/

Pro-Birth Policies Are Killing Us – by Nandita Bajaj and Kirsten Stade https://www.newsweek.com/too-much-good-thing-pronatalism-killing-earth-opinion-1784197 Pronatalism & Overpopulation: The Personal, Cultural, and Global Implications of Having a Child (Course at Antioch University taught by Nandita Bajaj) https://www.populationbalance.org/pronatalism-and-overpopulation-course Backpedalling on Overpopulation – by Rory Cockshaw https://www.rorycockshaw.com/blog/backpedalling-on-overpopulation Trains, Plants and Condoms: How to Save the Planet in 3 Simple Steps – by Rory Cockshaw https://www.rorycockshaw.com/blog/trains-plants-and-condoms Winners Take All: The Elite Charade of Changing the World – by Anand Giridharadas https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/37506348 The Big Myth: How American Business Taught Us to Loathe Government and Love the Free Market – by Dr. Naomi Oreskes and Erik Conway https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/57693264 How Free-Market Fundamentalism Fuels Overpopulation Denialism & Undermines Democracy – Episode of The Overpopulation Podcast with Naomi Oreskes https://www.populationbalance.org/podcasts/naomi-oreskes President Condemns 'Obsession' With Economic Growth Irish President Michael D Higgins speaks out against growth https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2023/04/28/president-condemns-obsession-with-economic-growth/ Welcome To MAGA World: Trump Wants 'Freedom Cities' Where Cars Can Fly, Parents Get 'BONUSES' for Having Babies and Huge Monuments are Built to 'True American Heroes' in 'Quantum Leap' Vision for the Future https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11818381/Trumps-2024-pitch-New-cities-flying-cars-babies.html

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