Why are millions walking away from the church? Author Nicholas McDonald knows the struggle firsthand. In this raw, deeply hopeful conversation, he shares his own story of disillusionment with American evangelicalism—and how beauty, liturgy, and rediscovering the real Jesus brought him back. If you're wrestling with doubt, deconstruction, or church hurt, this interview will reframe your journey and restore your faith. Based on Nicholas’s powerful book The Light in Our Eyes, we explore:

• What’s driving the exodus from church
• Why most deconstructors still believe in Jesus
• How we’ve confused culture with Christianity
• The role of imagination, beauty, and art in spiritual healing
• Practical ways to walk with someone through doubt

📖 Get The Light in Our Eyes: tinyurl.com/yc3br7jp 📬 Connect with Nicholas: thebardowl.substack.com