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In a rare interview, former Area Authority Seventy Hans Mattson, a man that historian Greg Prince described as "the highest-ranking church official who has gone public with deep concerns" about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,  joins Ian and Jim for a provocative discussion about his journey out of the Church. 

Hans offers candid reflections of his interactions with apostles and other Church leaders, and he describes details of the Church's secretive ritual known as the Second Anointing.