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G'day Fearmongers —

Ross Noble from The Ross Noble Podcast joins us from hotel quarantine in Perth for his A Rational Fear debut. As a result the podcast this week is about double the usual length, with double the jokes. Also joining Lewis and I is long time fearmonger Alice Fraser who managed to fit us in her gruelling 15 podcasts a day schedule.

On the menu this week:

• Sea Snakes are having sex with scuba divers.

• OnlyFans going back on their prudish promises.

• The AFP's April Fools Joke gone wrong.

• The ACT and NSW government are fighting over poo.

• Disrupting the two-party system in Australia to get meaningful climate legislation at the next election with Simon Holmes à Court. He pops in to tells us about his Climate 200 campaign. It's

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Bertha Announcement  0:00  
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Dan Ilic  0:04  
Good evening, Lewis. Hello, Daniel. How are you? I'm good. I was doing some work for the show this week and I discovered a list about podcasts. And we are in the top 100 podcasts in Australia.

Lewis Hobba  0:18  
I would love to know what the title of that list is. We just wish were a little bit better.

Dan Ilic  0:26  
Can you guess what number we were on this list?

Lewis Hobba  0:29  
I mean, out of 100 I we were we in the nervous 90s? Yes. Schedule just scraped in

Dan Ilic  0:40  
97. We had 97 on this 197

Lewis Hobba  0:45  
everything rides on this podcast. If it's good, we could be you know, getting down to number one, if it fucks up. And this is to our beautiful guests about to join us if you fucked this up. To 100 we will come for you.

Dan Ilic  0:58  
Hey, I've got a new idea for our Patreon members, I thought the next 10 Patreon members who gave us 50 bucks a month I've got this thing for the election that I'd like to do, which would be to put up plaques around the seat of cook saying on this spot during a national crisis. Scott Morrison did nothing. And I just we just really wonderful to have these plaques going much like the plaque we put out the front of engadine McDonald's commemorates Scott Morrison pulling his pants at the 2003 subarray Grand Final. But this one I thought, well, if someone gives us 50 bucks, we'll put their name on it as well to dedicate it to them.

Lewis Hobba  1:32  
If someone gives us $50,000 Can we do a marble statue of just a man doing nothing? In a Hawaiian shirt? dropping a hose? Yes, yes, we'll put it we'll put it up

Dan Ilic  1:42  
in Sutherland Shire, so everyone can go and pay homage to it. So that's it for Patreon, head over to patreon.com forward slash irrational fear and drop us 50 bucks and we'll put your name on a plaque too. I'm recording my end of irrational fear on gadigal land in the eora nation sovereignty was never ceded. We need a treaty. Let's start the show

Unknown Speaker  2:01  
on rational fear contains naughty words like bricks, Canberra and gum and section audio or rational view recommended listening by immature audio.

Dan Ilic  2:14  
Tonight, Australia's richest performance the wiggles will go broke if they go work. That's according to Matt Canavan writing in the Australian which hasn't turned a profit since 1964. And damning reports from a Catholic media organisation reveals priests in the US and the Vatican on Grindr, meaning they're receiving much more than the body of Christ and contrast released a brand new ad that depicts a world where Australians could fly internationally again. It's been so successful that it's made every shareholder cry. It's the 27th of August 2021. In a jig that DVD of the croods this is irrational fear.

Hi, welcome to rational feet. I'm your host former premier of Tasmania. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She is the host of three podcasts and a guest on many more. She's a zinger slinger and a banjo swinger. It's Alice Fraser Welcome.

Alice Fraser  3:15  
Hello, Danny ledge pleasure to be here. I mean, I'm here where I've been since lockdown began two months ago, but psychologically I'm with you.

Dan Ilic  3:25  
And he's the non sequiturs non sequitur stuck in a room without any toys at all. Yes, he's in hotel quarantine. And pastor Ross Noble. Hello. Hi, how are you? fairing in in lockdown quarantine again, Ross.

Unknown Speaker  3:39  
You know what I cannot be doing with these people that just go like, Oh my god, I'm locked up inside. I've done it. Now. This is what I did two weeks in hotel quarantine. I've done four weeks quarantine in my own home, as well. Yeah, I know some people struggle with it. But you could not find a human being more more equipped to deal with just being in a room that's just in their own. Family like it's one of those things where if I if I didn't have a wife and two children, I would literally just do this. I do this all the time. Why? guesting on people's podcasts? Yeah, pretty much. I mean. I know not everyone can just just beat people out.

Lewis Hobba  4:27  
Yeah. Dan literally just has like a Google Alert set for Canadian in quarantine. And as soon as he said he's like, Hello, I noticed you have literally nothing else to do. Coming up. comes up on the app. This little thing where you put your thing in? alert all podcasts? Yeah, you're like, would you like to check into this hotel? Yes. Would you like to check into irrational fear? inevitably? Yes,

Dan Ilic  4:51  
yeah, we've had more guests on our inner from hotel quarantine than the COVID safe app. It's actually found people with COVID And finally he's the Uptown Girl of podcasting. It's Lewis Nova.

Lewis Hobba  5:03  
Hello. Yeah, that's right. I mean, boy, for a person who had never listened to Billy Joel until about a month ago, boy, but I listen to a lot of Billy Joel in the last month. It's something about the sort of dad level emotion that is really appropriate for lockdown. Like it gives you a hint of emotion. It's like a memory of emotion but doesn't actually make you feel anything which means you're in no danger of bursting into tears in public. Forever Billy Joel song. Oh, well, I'm so glad you asked I if listeners of the podcast would know that. A few weeks ago in a bit of a lockdown panic. When I ran out of things to do. I bought a children's keyboard and decided to learn piano. And so I the song I picked because it just happened to be on a random shuffle playlist at the time was Billy Joel's Vienna. So now that's probably my favourite Billy Joel song.

Unknown Speaker  5:54  
Could I put forward as a challenge that you do? That you play the Ultravox classic Vienna and you work your way through all of the songs. When you get out of the quarantine party, you could do that? Sure.

Lewis Hobba  6:12  
Just to Vienna.

Unknown Speaker  6:15  
You never live yet you never the Vienna show in Vienna. And you go directly up against old Andrea, are you? Yeah. He's always bothering people in Vienna.

Lewis Hobba  6:31  
I would love to be the guy that takes down ratio.

Alice Fraser  6:34  
For every person that remove bothers there are 10 old ladies for whom he is the pinnacle of their sexual enlightenment. It's funny isn't

Unknown Speaker  6:41  
it is because when an old lady dies at a real concert, to more grow in their place?

Lewis Hobba  6:50  
The Andre Hydra

Unknown Speaker  6:52  
but how good is how good is Renu? The fact that he managed nobody since Kevin Brody Wilson managed to infiltrate Australian petrol stations.

Dan Ilic  7:04  
Like you can line up at a post office and there's like Andre rieu on DVD like who is buying Andre telling you

Alice Fraser  7:12  
a friend of mine did contact juggling with you know those glass balls and he would do that basking in, in markets and the number of ladies who approached him to come and do a strip show as the Goblin King from the labyrinth. I feel like Andre was incredibly high, like put disproportionate. So I would say that Andre Rio is that for the postmenopausal demographic he has that moment of sexual awakening

Unknown Speaker  7:40  
What are you've hit on there though right which and I'm sure this is all news to you. You'll know this right? But the the guy that did the the glass ball manipulation was a guy called Michael Moore Shen

Lewis Hobba  7:55  
we all know emotion

Unknown Speaker  7:58  
So Michael motion was the guy that was behind Bali and was doing all the stuff with the with the balls and that and that now makes me happy to think that like basically he is a Michael motion impersonator and he's getting the legs even even more shed even though the fact he was the most highly skilled. Glasspool manipulator. I don't think that's enough to get the ladies

Lewis Hobba  8:25  
You're the best in the world at the only and you're the also the only person who does it. It's not necessarily that impressive.

Unknown Speaker  8:33  
Well, Alice's friend does it. He's out there trying to where where does he do this class ball manipulation?

Alice Fraser  8:39  
It is a markets busking. It seems to work it seems like David Bowie in the labyrinth is the equivalent of Princess Leia in the Star Wars for that generation. That's the moment of suddenly realising extra hands on an old lady's body.

Dan Ilic  8:56  
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This week's first fear in Great Barrier Reef news sexually frustrated sea snakes are making scuba divers potential mates. Yes, a study from the Macquarie University has confirmed the reasons why sea snakes and the reef sidling up to divers and wrapping themselves around their fins and licking the water around them is because the males who have poor eyesight mistake scuba divers for females sea stakes a female Angus does this make you less or more inclined to go diving on the reef? Ross?

Unknown Speaker  10:32  
Well, I mean, what an excellent excuse. What an excellent excuse. They're going for the old filthy Magoo tactic aren't really blind. I've made a terrible error. Oh, I'm so sorry. I seem to have been tangled myself. It's a me too nightmare.

Alice Fraser  10:52  
continental is just a very simple form of Braille. I wonder what just two dots I wonder what? No, thank you. Please stop

Unknown Speaker  11:06  
because.dot.in Morse code that's s, isn't it? So? s so it would just be a mix the sound of air coming out,

Lewis Hobba  11:20  
like the sound of a regular snake and they're like, well, I'm a snake You seem to be a regular snake. Let's make this work.

Alice Fraser  11:26  
I find this really positive and hopeful that even though I mean the sea snakes are saying they have bad eyesight all the scientists are saying the sea snakes have a bad eyesight. I'm not gonna put words in the mouth of the sea snakes, but the sea snakes are clearly attracted to the divers, even if they have bad eyesight. I feel like this is a positive sign that sea snakes like a bit of junk in the trunk. Like wetsuit fetish. quite quite high on the high neoprene.

Lewis Hobba  11:55  
Yeah, who knew? Who knew I personally, as someone who has been in lockdown for about three months, I've never wanted to scuba dive more I just want to be touched.

Dan Ilic  12:07  
This is interesting here it says the males tend to flick out their tongues. However, the most striking behaviour occurred after 13 incidences where males rapidly chased divers underwater when they swam away. A researcher said females don't do any chasing. They do the flaming during mating. So swimming away from a male snake is mimicking courtship behaviour. I don't think I've actually felt more in common with the snake ever. This is incredible.

Alice Fraser  12:32  
This makes me feel like I get it. I feel a real burden of responsibility now to sort of educate female sea snakes about taking control of your own sexuality and going after what you want. I'm not sure that I am equipped to fully communicate with sea snakes on such complex matters is good sent

Dan Ilic  12:49  
the rate well, so interesting about the research has said they suspect the snakes chased after divers after they failed a mating attempt. So the divers themselves are like sloppy seconds. They were just like, get there like a rebound person. It's clear that the most approaches to divers were males who'd lost contact with females that were pursuing. Oh my god, imagine, imagine how sad you are being a diver, you know, realising that

Lewis Hobba  13:12  
you're not the number one choice? Yeah, it also just sounds like kind of the beginning of the El incel movement.

Alice Fraser  13:21  
ancl movement.

Dan Ilic  13:24  
The comments of that mirror article, there's one there from three days ago from a guy called Jonathan Wilder. It said, I was a scuba, I was scuba diving with a friend in a black wetsuit, and a seal became very interested. It was funny at the time, but it was a large animal.

Unknown Speaker  13:42  
Well, if somebody it's an old joke, but you know if the he could somebody comes out of the water, what's up with your diving gear, a blue seal? You can't get a snake are rational fear. If it

Unknown Speaker  13:57  
bites you what would it do? That would kill you? They're much more venomous than then a cobra. Right? Yeah, they're more of a cobra much more. Right. So so people are going swimming again, right? Your fear is rational.

Dan Ilic  14:12  
This week second fear. If you listen to last week's podcast, we spoke a lot about only fans, the website that allows horny people to pay money for sexy people to show them sexy bits so you can get off and move on with the rest of their day. Well, the very next day, only fans made an incredible shocking announcement they said they were not going to allow any sexually explicit content. And they were going to demand users verify their identities with government IDs, which completely ruins the entire business model for how for very horny secret agents. Of course, users and creators have made millions of dollars on this platform and they totally flipped out and now as of today, only fans totally black back flipped on their plans to make themselves a model of decorum. So fear mongers was only fans right to backflip on on this on being totally frigid Alice

Alice Fraser  15:00  
I want to talk about only fans and Pornhub. I want to talk about the whole porn industry over the whole last month because much like when you use a thing that you just bought on stage as a prop, so you can write it off on tax, I'm seeking to provide a reference point for future curious explorers that will explain my search history. And boy by researching this piece of satirical news for a long time, actually, I don't watch internet pornography, I'm not against it. In principle, I just think a lot of it is mainly geared to a very specific taste, which is to say people who are very turned on by very bad acting. And my dealer of choice for that is the Fast and the Furious movies. But it has been well.

Unknown Speaker  15:40  
I mean, you can level a lot towards them. They sent a car in this space on the last one.

Unknown Speaker  15:51  
When the car went off the cliff, and the plane comes in and is grabbed by a magnet. They're not in that car. They're in a green screen booth, and you genuinely believe that again.

Alice Fraser  16:07  
Don't get me wrong. I am an advocate for the Fast and Furious movies. The scene in which Jason Statham rescues Vin Diesel's infant child in a baby seat, and he puts noise cancelling headphones on the baby. So it doesn't hear him killing all the people is genuinely one of the more emotional filmic experiences of my life. It's very moving that he decides Jason stage. She's like, I shouldn't be paying you for that on only fans.

Unknown Speaker  16:34  
I should do that. Actually. I should do like, what is it the MSR is that what they call yourself in a bit with Jason Stephens stories. Anyway, sorry, sorry, I interrupted you different.

Unknown Speaker  16:56  
Only funds,

Alice Fraser  16:57  
it has been a bumper month for the adult entertainment industry. I did think about saying a banger month, but that sort of felt a bit forced and artificial. wakawaka That's what she said. First, okay. First Pornhub a couple of weeks ago launched their controversial classic nudes series. So it was sold as an interactive guide to some of the erotic art that can be found in major museums around the world, to which some of the major museums around the world objected, in particular that fitzy did not like porn hubs use of Titian's 1538 masterpiece, Venus of Urbino, as the basis of a pornographic reenactment, with the amateur adult couple known as my sweet apple. And it's a very divisive series, because the people who who like their pornography a little bit mucky, thought that this was too pretentious. And then art art history majors thought it was too inaccurate in its use of egg tempera. Then, of course, only fancy alternative to the big hubs for those who like their sexy pictures locally sourced from individual vendors, like the Boehner version of a farmer's market announced that it would be dropping adult content from its platform, not because it was being prurient, but because some payment processors threatened to withhold payment processing. And therefore, people wouldn't be able to get paid like the ancient Greek play lysistrata in which the ladies of the plot go on a sex strike to achieve a political goal. But the opposite of that if ladies were banks, and six was financially financial processing software. Of course, when only fans announced that they were going to pull out on the one thing they're famous for providing only a very small sub niche of people felt positive about being less egregiously caught blocked, and then the ones who did enjoy it had to have it explained to them that this would mean no more cut blocking content. And then they also joined in on the condemnation and then only fans has walked it back they found a payment processor who's willing to process payments, so we can all continue continue to masturbate as usual. And by usual, I don't mean to suggest that there's any normal that we should be

Dan Ilic  18:58  
done yuck my yum Alice Thank you.

Lewis Hobba  19:00  
My yum is in the Uffizi museum.

Alice Fraser  19:04  
I think just Ross nobles impersonation of Jason Statham has revealed new depths to my sexuality that I could hit the to not suspected. So thanks for that.

Unknown Speaker  19:14  
I would strap yourself in because I'm gonna directly after this, I'm gonna strip naked and recreate Rodin's the thinker.

Dan Ilic  19:28  
And that is for Patreon members only so make sure you

Lewis Hobba  19:34  
when they said, Oh, we can't do it because of the banks. I was just like the temerity

Unknown Speaker  19:41  
bank. Have you seen anything that you've done? 1000 years since Jesus kicked you out of the place, were you thinking ever since then it's been bad, bad and now these people do

Alice Fraser  20:00  
idea that any money is too dirty for a bank.

Dan Ilic  20:05  
I'm worried about I'm worried about showing some cookin bowls there. But we should definitely try and get someone want more money out of that dead woman.

Alice Fraser  20:14  
thing for the banks to pull the plug on this kind of content is just sort of dreadful given that a large proportion of their sort of day to day. One person income is just from overdraft fees, which is to say finding people for being poor.

Lewis Hobba  20:29  
I do like that idea. I'd love to say the Commonwealth Bank had that was like which bank, the bank bank. The Commonwealth Bank has been exposed in one scandal after another.

Unknown Speaker  20:41  
So you've probably heard about the banking Royal Commission, another banking scandal this week, Westpac has agreed to pay $1.3 billion for 23 million breaches of money laundering laws. This is a rational view.

Dan Ilic  20:55  
This week's third fifth the AFP spent two months on an elaborate April Fool's joke that never went anywhere. We've got a wacky sense of humour. They sent an email around canvassing ideas a couple of months out of out from April Fool's. And they, they were wondering, asking the staff like, Hey, guys, how can we participate in April Fool's in the email they sent me and they said, Please keep in mind when brainstorming sensitivities in public opinion at the moment, and please consider how each of your ideas may be perceived. It's almost like they knew that this was actually going to have a FOIA request when they sent this email out. Now, according to the FBI that was published in the Crikey, one of the all that whole bunch of the ideas were blacked out, except for one, which was a parody of the infamous Canberra hot air balloon, the sky whale, except they're going to Photoshop it and put a whole bunch of surveillance cameras on each of the nipples with a little AFP cap and call it spy whales. Fear mongers is this creepy alien like creature with videos or camera cameras attached to it? would you would you appreciate this joke from the AFP, Louis?

Lewis Hobba  22:01  
No. I mean, obviously, you don't want to add the AFP doing bits, you know what I mean? Like, that's, that's what I like. It would be lovely. If he started a podcast you like No, just stay in your lane. Just keep bugging Ace team or whatever it is that you do and stay out of the joke at the job business. So

Dan Ilic  22:21  
two things happen after this came back they went and they the base pay people sent it to somebody in government and the government to check on it to see if they liked the idea. And it came back and they said we'd want to pitch it to them. Because someone internally at the paid thought spy whale had a bit of a negative connotation. So they changed the name to see us I wail which is a really terrible joke. It doesn't even doesn't even make sense. So they checked to the ICT government. The government said no. And the email got sent around the AFP to let people know and they said oh, we just got the sky well concept approved from our end, but when it rates the government advised us due to rules, regulations and copyright issues, we weren't allowed to do it. sadface I don't know anything about rules and regulations. But I do know something about copyright regulations. The Spy whale is perfect under satire and parody law is something we would do all the time. It's comedians. However, CSI wale is a really shitcan and just wouldn't even pass.

Lewis Hobba  23:24  
The one thing I do have sympathy for. And I won't say there's done entities very often about acio. But um, it was just a draft. You know what I mean? Like, this never got to final it's never got to approval. And not all of us if someone started reading our drafts could be like, none of us. None of us have perfect first draft.

Dan Ilic  23:46  
But Louis spy was pretty good CSI were was a terrible revision, terrible revision. I mean,

Alice Fraser  23:52  
I absolutely have to agree with Louis harbour here. I'm adamantly against the current trend in news to give us pre news, sort of guessing what the news is about to be rather than actually telling us what may or may not be happening in the world. So I feel like this is an example of that of just saying a thing that might have happened but actually didn't happen. And we should all turn out faces from the spy whale and move on to the broad future. For me.

Unknown Speaker  24:19  
I have an alert on my phone for any what I like to call blink news. And a ship any form of floating dirigible, I'm all on board.

Lewis Hobba  24:34  
You know, Ross, I, I actually, you have left a legacy at Triple J that has caused me some real distress, and it is blimp related. That was it. The Nana? Do you want to explain this was many, many years ago, long before I worked there. Ross did I think he did a summer and I actually remember listening to it.

Unknown Speaker  24:54  
The idea was just that I decided that it'd be it'd be a bit of a love to do some radio. So myself rasiak is what we were doing. We did for a couple of years where we deliberately went in over the Christmas holidays when the building was empty. And the bosses are Triple J, basically when you just do what you like. So we took that on board as like, yeah, we, we had this thing we I said that it's impossible to break an egg with your buttocks. And I was just joking. But it turns out, it's impossible to crack an egg with your ass. So we had people ringing in with eggs up there are, we are alive. We have live chickens in the studio. I brought in some some of my pants. And we sent four sets of pants around Australia. So like we said, Come to the studio. So bloke set up the studio. And he said, I'm driving to Sydney. So we set one set of pants that way. And then we'd have meeting points where people were meeting up in town squares to exchange the plans. In two weeks, we got four sets of pants fully around Australia, both directions up north and back onto Tasmania and back. So yeah, it's not it's not commercial radio.

Lewis Hobba  26:09  
But I think whoever I are, when I first started there, my boss at the time, who's now no longer the boss, but he I think he was the boss who was there when you were there. And he loved that he loved that idea. So like nothing we could do, would ever make him as happy as that idea. And we would sit down and we would pitch him these ideas that we had great ideas, and he would look at it and be like, Can you make it a bit more like pants around Australia? Like, there's no pants? And this idea?

Unknown Speaker  26:38  
I know he is he is the mistake that you made you were pitching ideas. Just think it do it. And are you talking about the nano though we got a flu or nanner interspace or something we Yeah, we had a cardboard cutout of an old lady that somebody's stolen from a mobility shop. And then we divided it up into sections on the website so people could download a full size jigsaw of an old lady printed out, put it together themselves for a graph themselves with the Nana. And then we got the original Nana structure to helium balloons. Let her go in the middle of Melbourne, and then got the listeners to ring in. We had a map and we were spotting out as she flew across. And a lot of people falling off a lot of people because obviously it's not very environmentally friendly. really sure. The plastic Nana into the sky. But yeah, so we had a lot of people very angry because they thought she was going to end up in the mouth of a whale. But

Lewis Hobba  27:43  
being humped by an ale

Unknown Speaker  27:46  
ended up she landed in New South Wales, we put our address on it and the later we got it back so far.

Dan Ilic  27:55  
Hey guys, Mel Lewis, should pitch mode your original ideas. He's gone. Now the legacy of

Unknown Speaker  28:02  
that just think of an idea. Let it come out of your head and then act on it before before anyone has a chance to say no. That's the way to live your life. Rational fear this is a rational view. Things have also ended up a little bit dirty

Dan Ilic  28:18  
right now we're going to play Hang on a sec, I'll play a clip of video if you want to comment to say Hang on a second, I stopped the tape. This week's Hang on a sec comes from the AC t in New South Wales COVID update press conferences now It all started with john barilaro earlier in the week this week claiming the traces of COVID were found in the miraculous sewage treatment plants. And he blamed those traces on people from Canberra making their way to the south coast. So naturally, the ICT Chief Minister Andrew Barr was asked about asked about it multiple times. And he quite frankly appeared to crack the sheets

Unknown Speaker  28:50  
and COVID fragments found in the silvija merimbula. There's some speculation that canberrans are to blame. But can I

Unknown Speaker  28:57  
just say that the sign interpreter did the most magnificent signing of poo coming out and being dispersed?

Lewis Hobba  29:06  
Yeah. And also the face she did. It was like it was it was gross. She was like, Oh, this is yuck. No, I know where the search fragments have come from it. I mean, there's this

Alice Fraser  29:16  
Hang on a sec. I think what we need here is some sort of large surveillance thing that has maybe some sort of oversight over the whole region. Some sort of CSI

Dan Ilic  29:32  
skywire with nipples, cameras attached to nipples,

Unknown Speaker  29:36  
how much shit is going to be spread all over the area. If you've got a full size wheel.

Alice Fraser  29:44  
Full Size wear with a black light just over the Australian Capital Territory.

Unknown Speaker  29:50  
Live in New South Wales so it's just as likely to be from New South Wales. I don't think the series detection is quite that sophisticated to be able to tell whether it's a cam there and Or someone says,

Lewis Hobba  30:01  
Hey, I think we need we need a sewerage some ellia smiliar i going this this COVID Oh, that's, that's good. That's New South Wales terroir,

Unknown Speaker  30:16  
I would recommend to anybody in the AC t now, you know, you get those little flags that you get on fancy cheeses to particularly firms to stick the little thing in there and hope that it lasts all the way down.

Unknown Speaker  30:32  
JOHN has directly pointed at the AC t as the cause of that. What is your response?

Unknown Speaker  30:39  
JOHN, does john know something about the poo that other people died? I didn't know that from I mean, he's got scientific evidence that can back it up, but it's camera poo. Okay. All right. But I mean, seriously, I just

Alice Fraser  30:54  
I love the rage, like the simmering rage that he has to address himself to this question is truly astonishing. I will go as someone who's not particularly enjoying this weird state versus state, tenor that the recent COVID update coverage has has taken, I sort of agree with him, but he's, he's furthering this.

Unknown Speaker  31:15  
I love the fact that Daniel Andrews is. I love it. I love the fact that if you look at all of the people who are sponsored, like I'm in the climbing, if you look at all the people who are sponsored by North Face, they've got a very particular look. And yet, he is the most prominent face of North Face. All of these, all of these incredible world class climbers don't even come if you said, you said who's the face of North Face but Andrews in it. These people have claimed since they were tiny, and he's, he's done a lot. He can't even go downstairs. He cannot even go downstairs.

Dan Ilic  31:55  
He should get Gladys berejiklian jacket for the about face that we

Lewis Hobba  31:59  
did. He climbed a ladder of like, Oh, you know, politics is a ladder. He's climbed something. I don't think North Face are going for metaphors when I was thinking I was gonna metaphorically go into Korea. Korea is just a jacket for you.

Alice Fraser  32:24  
It's waterproof. It's fire resistant. It's extremely powerful in an emotional communication.

Dan Ilic  32:30  
Joining us now on irrational fears a friend of the show. He's one of Twitter's favourite energy nerds. It's Simon hams accord. Welcome, Simon. Thank you very much. Great to be on again. Now, Simon, you're this week, you've launched quite a compelling idea to imagine Australian politics without the major parties calling the shots. My question is, are you working for Clive Palmer?

Unknown Speaker  32:53  
I wonder if I've got the same strategy. Certainly different intentions.

Dan Ilic  32:57  
Yeah. Tell us about this big idea that you launched this week.

Unknown Speaker  32:59  
So this week, I launched climate 200, which is an organisation that's trying to get us out of the stalemate that we are in Australian politics right now. So we have been stuck as you all would know, without climate policy in Australia, really, for about 20 years. It's been a political football. And it's been arguably, we've gone backwards from where we were in with Kevin oh seven. That was probably the high point of Australian political climate policy. We've seen in the last few years, the the massive opportunity with strong climate independence. So zali steggall, Helen Haynes, before that, Cathy McGowan, Andrew Wilkie. We've seen, we've seen a parliament where strong crossbenchers can make a difference. Now they won't have ultimate impact on politics until they have the balance of power. But as we head into the next election, we have, I think it's a once in a generation opportunity for independents to hold the crossbench. And in that situation, they will negotiate for strong climate policy.

Dan Ilic  34:04  
That's a really compelling idea for particularly for people who want to see climate action in Australia. And I think that is a lot of Australians. That's something like 80% of Australians want to see meaningful climate action. But where what is the reality of that, like, how many seats are going to be fragile enough to kind of lend themselves to climate independent and independent, where climate is the centre of their of their of their policy? Yeah, so

Unknown Speaker  34:29  
it's crazy close at the moment, you need 76 seats to to have a majority government in Australia, and that's what the coalition has right now. They also have Craig Kelly, and Bob catters vote for Labour to win the next election outright, they would need to win eight seats and even then, well, I don't know how much faith can we have that we will have a strong climate policy when when just last night and this morning if they public that they voted for fossil fuel again and again. So

Dan Ilic  34:59  
yeah, a prayer In the beetaloo Basin gas in in Northern Territory, that is insane. It's like labour talk a big game, but they can't they never ever followed up with actual action. Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker  35:08  
mean, just this morning there was a bill. There's it's turns out that our export finance organisation in Australia's export finance organisation has been funding fossil fuel projects overseas. Wow, there was a motion put up by an independent advisory Stegall to get to release the information on which which projects were funded and tell us more about that programme. And both labour and the coalition's voted that one down. So we we need as that we had that amazing period back in 2010 to 13, when labour was in minority government with with some strong strong crossbenchers. I don't know if you know, many people will remember Rob Robach shot tiny Windsor, Andrew Wilkie and Adam bandt formed a strong crossbench that Laban worked with, and they develop the carbon price, the Clean Energy Finance Corporation, which is still going great guns arena, which has done so much good work bringing in renewables into Australia. So we've we've seen that the major parties when they're forced to deal with the crossbench. And even at the end of the last parliamentary term, the was the crossbenchers, that brought in the Medi vac that brought so many sick refugees back from medicine a row back to Australia. So we've seen that it works. And we are so close, just three more independent three more zali steggall, Helena and Haines type. And we wake up on election morning after election with a different country.

Alice Fraser  36:30  
So I saw a question before which I would like to ask you, which is how do you know which independents are just saying whatever they will say, to get a vote and how can we hold them accountable? Is there any way we can sort of attach a maybe some sort of electrode testicle so that once they're in power, we can we can hold them accountable by pressing some sort of Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  36:52  
The thing is, wait, the thing is, we know that the major party candidates or incumbents are not accountable to their community. They first and foremost always go with with the party line. I mean, were they your your Trent Zimmerman, or Josh frydenberg or Dave Sharma, you've got the same voting record as as Craig Kelly, George Christiansen Matt candidate, right? They they all vote the same way. So whereas if you have an independent, they are absolutely accountable to their community, if they don't live up to their community's expectations, they are absolutely out next time and they know it they listen, first and foremost, the community, not to any party whip.

Dan Ilic  37:33  
So what is the feeling out there in different electorates that might be open to the idea of an independent? what's the what's the Zeitgeist like? What do you what do you feel like people are

Unknown Speaker  37:45  
saying, Yeah, we're really inspired. We were really inspired by so Cathy McGowan, the independent member for in die, who was two terms, three terms, and then and then handed over to Helen Haynes. At the last election, I think the first ever independent independent transition. She She ran a forum at beginning of this year and had people from 78 electorates around Australia turn up to reform our code getting elected. And a lot of those communities have gone on from strength to strength they've formed. You hear all around Australia, there's voices of Mackellar voices of human voice, our voices of Kooyong, often these these voices groups, and they were they are very strong, where they found a good candidate, we will step up and help them they've got to do the hard work, they've got to raise most of the money, but we'll be in there helping them with strategy and helping them with the necessary finances to come up against the incumbents.

Dan Ilic  38:39  
There's a lot of these groups out there as you say that there's rarely any independent name attached yet there's really a candidate name attached to it. How soon do you think candidates will start appearing like it has an actual game stop popping up?

Alice Fraser  38:53  
takes a while for a Thunderdome to play out?

Unknown Speaker  38:58  
Yeah, and that is that is going on there. There are some some communities are doing public forums in here and they've got they've been trying to run a forum COVID kid shutting it down but a forum where we're five candidates will get up in front and the community will pre select them in so open pre selection. Others are talking interviewing but look think of think about wearing the last time there was such a strong local campaign there was voices of wieringa there was a vote Tony out campaign people wearing the T shirts around town there was times up Tony there there were about five or six different groups who all were fixated on the same thing which was replacing Tony Abbott with an independent and once it was that they had a real head of steam. And they had article in the local paper talking about all these things. And Sally Stegall reading the paper one morning saw that and went Hang on. That's me. I could I could do that. And and so it's a bit chicken and egg you're not going to get a mean they're not they're not many solly stickers out there in Australia. There. There there. There are plenty of You know, there there, there are dozens of people like that who have got the whole package, but they're not going to stand up until they know the communities behind them. They've got a funded campaign. And they they're risking a lot to stand up in front of an incumbent

Dan Ilic  40:15  
leaving the the candidate candidates are waiting to see momentum first before they jump in, and kind of thread ahead of the ring.

Unknown Speaker  40:21  
I think you'll you'll start hearing more of these coming around about the October time frame. Right critics

Dan Ilic  40:27  
of the plan would play probably say you're just going to take seats away Utah take votes away from labour and the greens and probably just give the LMP another term could you live with yourself with that ever happened? Simon?

Unknown Speaker  40:38  
Look, I we will only run in strategic sets. And strategic sites are ones that are going to tip the balance in favour of climate action and integrity. I can't at the moment imagine that that the greens or or labour would lose too much out of this strategy. Think about Karen Phelps. Actually, Karen Phelps in her bio action sheet, they managed to convince a whole bunch of labour and greens voters to change their vote and put Karen first and it got her in in the by election. We did some analysis recently, that if, if just 1100 labour voters had put Karen in front of the libs, then Karen would have got back in. Right so things can be so finely balanced

Dan Ilic  41:20  
1100 that is that's such a such a small number. That's like a Ross noble preview for a comedy festival shot.

Unknown Speaker  41:28  
Yeah, no. politics are so finely balanced right now.

Dan Ilic  41:38  
Great. Well, Simon, thank you so much for joining us on rational fear. Just quickly, a little bit of interesting climate news that happened today was that a whole bunch of bush bushfire survivors won a huge legal stoush with the New South Wales Government now the New South Wales Government. Now the New South Wales EPA has been ordered by the courts to actually do something about climate change. Is that Yeah, that was that was incorrect. That sounds credible. Shouldn't the EPA already been doing things about

Unknown Speaker  42:02  
climate change? Yeah, well, well, it was it was the very first time it's a landmark case work. First time that Australian court has ruled to force a government agency to to take to take action on climate change. They've they found the agency failing to perform its statutory duty to address climate change. And what's what's great is that they compelled the organic they compel the EPA to follow its own legislation. So we don't need any new laws. Please join them. No, this is this is an interpretation. You can start you can start or you rather, you must start tomorrow. So this is this is it.

Alice Fraser  42:39  
It's really hard to force specific performance in law. So that's an really landmark case.

Lewis Hobba  42:45  
It's incredible. Imagine how long you could do your job before someone was like, I'm gonna get a job to tell you that you should start doing your job like,

Dan Ilic  42:54  
this has been sweet. I've been getting paid for 40 years. Is it possible get the same court to get the Minister for emissions reduction to start reducing emissions?

Unknown Speaker  43:03  
It wouldn't, wouldn't wouldn't be good. But look, it was only about two months ago that the environment minister was told by a court that she had, she had a duty of care to children, and she's appealing that decision. She She is taking her back to back to the court to say no, I do not have a duty of care to the future generations of Australians

Lewis Hobba  43:21  
that Cruella de Vil.

Unknown Speaker  43:24  
Yeah. Yeah. Well, so Susan, Susan, Susan w slay Yes. You know, used to be we used to have one escena name and now is has to because the numerology worked out that way, but

Dan Ilic  43:36  
very unfortunate initialization. Gosh.

Unknown Speaker  43:42  
Yeah. So so they're they're appealing that at the federal level, but hopefully, in New South Wales, I hope that Matt Kane is smart enough to to make it very clear that he's not going to go and ask the EPA to to appeal that decision. Yeah, let's hope New South Wales does the right thing. And it's Yeah, great, great start to finally get the courts to compel our government to do its job.

Dan Ilic  44:08  
Yeah. Well, Simon, thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear. And big thank you to all of our guests tonight. I was Fraser Ross noble Louis harbour. Well done that was a great show. Do you guys have anything to plug Alice to unplug anything?

Alice Fraser  44:19  
Yes, I have a weekly podcast called the gargle, which is a satirical news show with no politics. I also have a weekly show called tea with elsewhere have difficult conversations with interesting people. And a monthly show called The last post which is a satirical news show set in an alternate dimension all of which can be [email protected] slash Alice phrase.

Dan Ilic  44:38  
Tea with Alice is really great this week with comedian Craig quartermaine. friend of the show, Ross

Unknown Speaker  44:42  
if you have anything to plug, I do. Yes, I have these my podcasts called Ross normal podcasts myself and Ed Cavalli, and we were supposed to be talking about, we're supposed to deconstruct music videos. Well, we've done 32 episodes, I think is now we have yet to finish talking about shanaya Twins that don't impress me much.

Dan Ilic  45:07  
But we have a lot of Jason and Jason Statham on that podcast.

Unknown Speaker  45:11  
There's a lot of stuff and there's a lot of stuff a lot of Nicolas Cage. And we've, we started a new feature by accident or barrel chat, where we talk extensively about barrels. And then I'm gonna be in. I'm in Perth coming up. I can't really see why I'm here. I'm on a bit of a secret on a bit of a secret which I'm working on this thing which I've already talked about. While I'm here

Lewis Hobba  45:38  
is it succession

Dan Ilic  45:41  
gonna be the independent member for PERS in the next election this

Unknown Speaker  45:46  
is gonna be Mrs. Margaret River. Jordan reverses says, you never hear about Yeah, but I'm not but I'm doing a short I'm doing a short the because one of the one of the advantages of the fact that I'm now in Perth working on this secret thing, so I'm putting on an extra show. So the Regal in the next well, what am I recording it? Just Just look at the website. It'll be on there. It's the only it's the only stand up comedy show in Australia in the next six months. Come and see it if

Dan Ilic  46:22  
it's your live comedy. Go see Ross noble, I hear his grapes. Simon Journal Club climate 200

Lewis Hobba  46:29  
Yeah, we started a fundraiser for climate 200 we've had over 300 people donate so far. That's 100 to many Simon clothes and another

Unknown Speaker  46:37  
route where we're gonna have to change the name to climate three, the climate 2000 but please go to climate 200 dot com.au and find out some more about us. And if you can donate That's fantastic. Even you know, $5 shows that people behind the idea. And even if you hop on hop on Twitter and retweet all your friends and nudge all your friends, we're going to make a real difference in the next election.

Dan Ilic  47:00  
Louis when it's

Lewis Hobba  47:02  
done nothing to me, Dan just I'm just at home alone all the time. So

Unknown Speaker  47:08  
you're not gonna plug anything. I forgot something. If it's a nature documentary. It's on YouTube. It's called. It's called the unnatural history show. With Ross noble, all of the animals. All of the creatures in it are fictional. They're all they're all like puppets. And yes,

Lewis Hobba  47:30  
that counts as my plug. That's my plug. I'm plugging Ross navels up.

Alice Fraser  47:33  
Yeah, I take my plug back. I'll plug that to that sounds great.

Unknown Speaker  47:36  
Oh, not to hit you on YouTube. If you like. If you like Labyrinth, you'll probably quite lately. Big

Dan Ilic  47:43  
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Dan Ilic  0:08  
I'm, well I'm well. I spoke to somebody this week and they said they are desperate to hear you play the piano by Billy Joel on your piano. They want to hear it. Is there any way we can hear it tonight?

Lewis Hobba  0:21  
Tonight? Yeah, absolutely. Of course. I'm so ready and so good at hitting me letting people who say that piano takes us to learn I radiance. It's taken me two weeks and I know the piano. That's it. It's that simple. Oh, I

Dan Ilic  0:39  
said about a friend to mention. I said, Man, you're just an overnight success. One day, consider the case.

Lewis Hobba  0:44  
Well, I'm sorry, I'm ready to pay to mention you know, I'm ready to get asked and put some leather pants on. I can do a lot of parody songs as well. I can do a lot of good parodies of Billy Joel's Vienna. I've got 10 or 15 great parody songs all about different German towns. Good stuff.

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Dan Ilic  1:33  
Tonight Alan Jones undergoes a major knee reconstruction after doctors say he's been leaning too far to the right. And Australia purchases 1 million finds of vaccines from Poland. We ask does the government put too much faith in polls and in order to prevent COVID outbreaks Queensland deploys 100 soldiers on the New South Wales border. Yes, Australia has its own Delta Force. It's the 20th of August 2021. And this is a rational fear.

Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former president of Malaysia Dan Ilic. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She smugly moved to Adelaide before the pandemic and she's still smugly there. It's the smug co host of the award winning just the GS podcast. It's Rosie Waterloo.

Rosie Waterland  2:29  
Daniel I wish I was still smugly there but I moved to Melbourne the day they went into lockdown. As we were driving into the city, they announced it at the presser so I'm not so smug anymore, my friend.

Dan Ilic  2:47  
Oh dear, and he's simply too handsome to ever consider being the host of a podcast but here we are. It's the other co co host of the award winning just the Jews podcast. It's Jacob Stanley.

Jacob Stanley  2:57  
Hello Dan. Funny I can be smug. I'm in Far North Queensland. I dodge all of the lockdowns but I'm just I'm not rubbing it in anyone's faces. I'm really not.

Dan Ilic  3:08  
Have you considered serving your state and getting down to the border to prevent New South Wales people from getting across the border? I

Jacob Stanley  3:14  
think they've got it under wraps without my help. I would be a hindrance I'm sure.

Lewis Hobba  3:19  
On the first time like Queenslanders have been going like Build that wall just

Dan Ilic  3:28  
and he's fully vaccin ready to play sax? Move that piano over? It's Louis harbour.

Lewis Hobba  3:33  
Now dude, bring the piano in. I'm throwing I'm throwing my I'm throwing my saxophone away in my constant search for like, because we're what nine weeks into lockdown now. And pretty much every two weeks I try to buy a new thing to keep me occupied. So two weeks ago was a piano. I learned a song this week. One of those like muscle pounding guns. muscles. So I got that on Monday. And

Dan Ilic  3:59  
the ones that make it look like you're you're gonna learn how to you're gonna like get your jerk off muscles really strong.

Lewis Hobba  4:04  
Those ones the ones gonna shake weight. They're like I don't know if I can say that. I can say the brand. This isn't like a theragun but like a cheap knockoff theragun from Amazon, and they're amazing. They're really good. Yeah, right. They usually use if you go to the gym, but obviously all gyms are closed. So I'm just using it mostly on my weak bones now.

Dan Ilic  4:26  
I feel like this lockdown. I'm doing the same kind of thing. I'm just buying stuff to fill the void. I bought a wetsuit the other day. I haven't used it yet, but I've lived all my life. I don't know how to surf, I'm gonna buy the things that you need to do the surfing. So the wetsuits been hanging out there for you know, four days I've yet to go surfing. Do you have a surfboard? No, I got

Rosie Waterland  4:54  
five days ago. I bought $300 rollerblades and I haven't used them yet. So I feel Yeah.

Dan Ilic  4:59  
Oh great. Rosie and I we could we could go sporting do sporting things together. Coming up later we are going to be talking to the leader the greens Adam band will ask him why did the greens vote against the cprs on repeat until the year 2050 revolves around but first, here's a message from this week's sponsor

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Dan Ilic  6:15  
This week's first meet Now you may remember a Danielle bregoli. She got famous in 2016 when as a 13 year old she went on Dr. Phil and threatened to bash her mom outside the studio. She was the cashew outside girl. A few years later, she started performing hip hop under the name bad Barbie and she totally blew up. Well she turned out bad baby. Sorry, Bad Bad, bad bad. Well, earlier this year, she turned 18 and a few days after she turned 18 she got herself an only fans account and how long fair mungus do you think it took bad baby to make a million dollars? How long do you think it took bad baby to like a million dollars in her only fans account? Six months? No. Six hours. She broke the record for only fans. And she made a million dollars. She's now set to buy a $4 million house in Florida fear mongers. Is this the answer to how young people get on the property ladder? Rosie?

Rosie Waterland  7:14  
I truly think it is I consider her an enterprising Gen Z Gen Z feminist on par with Malala Youssef side she's really grateful representing for young women and you know what she mentioned in an interview with variety yesterday. Yes, she's big enough. Now she's getting interviewed by a variety that she's looking to buy a house in Florida in cash. Because she knows that Florida is a tax haven

Dan Ilic  7:41  
yet. This is incredible. reading this thing she's she's actually got the money smarts to back it up and she lives in Los Angeles is putting all of her stuff in Florida, so she doesn't have to pay tax genius. Incredible.

Rosie Waterland  7:57  
And example to young women everywhere.

Dan Ilic  7:59  
Louis, have you ever considered starting an only fans account for yourself?

Lewis Hobba  8:04  
Yes, yes, I have Dan. Of course. It'll just be mostly me naked playing Billy Joel's Vienna. And I really do think there's a market for it. Because I've heard that baby's music. It's actually quite good. Like she's she's genuinely, I thought she'd make money on that. But the only fans angle didn't say coming. I mean, yeah, good on it. Why not? Do you don't have you checked out the only fans specifically Rosie, do you know what sort of stuff she's doing?

Rosie Waterland  8:29  
I look, I can't say that I've had the chance to partake. But she does say that she doesn't do anything that she's uncomfortable with. It's mostly just scantily clad. Little Boomerang videos and photos. But you know what? All power to whatever she wants to do if she if she's making cash. Good on her.

Dan Ilic  8:49  
Jacob, are you backing bad baby in here? Look,

Jacob Stanley  8:54  
Sara Lee do so disagree with what she's done with the platform since she got her platform except for the fact that I just don't love the idea that there'll be a bunch of kids out there who want to emulate her by turning to a lack of crime in their youth so that they can end up on a show like Dr. Phil, and then launch themselves into the stratosphere as she has done so it feels icky to me.

Lewis Hobba  9:16  
Yeah, I prefer the old method of spending a life in like organised crime and then making your money by selling it to underbelly to just do over and over and over. Yeah, exactly. It's a tradition. Yeah, the old school way. crime.

Dan Ilic  9:35  
She makes a stack of money outside of only fans to she looks like she's got a $2 million product placement deal with her bad baby videos. she earns $40,000 per post on Snapchat. And Wow, she's she's she's looks like she's mentored. She's got so many cars. She also sounds rosy. She sounds like she actually might be a really good parent because when it comes to exposing kids to bad messages in her own music She said this, even cardi B. She turns off WAP when her kids come around.

Rosie Waterland  10:08  
I personally think warp is an inspiring song. But, you know, that's just me. I mean, I do like that recently a judge in a court who had a very naughty young girl in front of her while sentencing her said you don't want to end up like the cash me outside girl, do ya? And the video of that ruling went viral and Danielle bregoli saw it and paid that girl's fine and said to the judge, you know what, I earn more in a year than you'll ever make so so I think she's looking out for the kids TV. Oh, man,

Dan Ilic  10:44  
I've been doing Patreon all wrong, I should have started. Speaking of Patreon, if you want to support the podcast, you can go to patreon.com forward slash irrational fear. There aren't any nerds. But I tell you what, for our Patreon only subscribers, we will have a picture of Louis in his underwear.

Lewis Hobba  11:07  
Reverse idli fans, which is where you and I promise, if we get enough money to keep our clothes on.

Dan Ilic  11:16  
lucrative endeavour. Yeah, I actually have I actually have an only fan. So if you go to my only fans, you'll see one picture up there. I think it may. Without a beard, I put it.

Lewis Hobba  11:28  
I want to see you in that wetsuit, baby. Let's do it.

Dan Ilic  11:32  
That's gonna be the second picture.

Unknown Speaker  11:35  
I'm mustering the face case, she wouldn't get out my face. Either. I'm breaking down her door, she's breaking down my door. I don't stop. So I started seeing that. I ran out four times in one day. And because probably back every time, this is a rational fear.

Dan Ilic  11:53  
This week second fear in Serbia. a caveman who's been living in a cave for the last 20 years has come out of his cave to get the jab and encourage others to get the jab to before going back into his cave. In the words of the caveman. And when he was asked about anti vaxxers he said the virus does not pick it will come here to my cave to I want to get all three doses including the extra line. I urge every citizen to get vaccinated every single one of them. Now fear mongers. How can a caveman who's got no contact with the bottom world have more sense than people that spend all their time reading Facebook and telegram messages from Craig Kelly.

Jacob Stanley  12:30  
It's what he lacks in internet connection he easily makes up for in common sense. 20 years ago when he departed from society. It was common knowledge that vaccines were good and diseases were bad. And he's just maintained what we all used to know. But a lot of us seem to have lost our ways. And I'm very excited that he's the one to be sharing this message because I think he might be the one who can win over the hearts and minds of the people of mullumbimby because he's a white guy with dreadlocks. love nothing more than that. So he's bound to get their attention and he may be able to get through to them.

Dan Ilic  13:07  
You know, I've called a lot of anti vaxxers cavemen and I'm really sorry for that now. They have clearly caveman or above anti vaxxers it is absolutely disgusting on my behalf. I feel so sorry.

Lewis Hobba  13:20  
This caveman Do you know if he's like staying across the world broadly? Like, what was it kind of like, we just needed to tap you on the shoulder and let you know there's been this big outbreak. Oh, by the way, the Chicago Bulls cleaned up in like the next few days. Bill Clinton is no longer someone that we like, like how many things did he have to learn from the live in the early 90s

Dan Ilic  13:42  
wait till he finds out and learns about a guy called Donald Trump and his he found out about the pandemic because he like once a month goes to the supermarket. And he didn't like once every so often goes to the supermarket. He didn't know what was happening until he went to the supermarket and saw everyone wearing masks. And that's how that's how he found out about it. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  14:05  
I hope this supermarket that he goes to once a week is LD and that his cave is just filled with the weird shit from the middle aisle. Yeah, this cave he knows nothing about the modern world. But he does have like a fishing line and very weirdly shaped pillow and a bunch of

Dan Ilic  14:25  
and you know what? If you're living in a cave, that's exactly what you need.

Jacob Stanley  14:32  
He every single one of the articles found it necessary to point out the fact that he's got a bathtub that he uses as his toilet. So there's every possibility that yes, he picked that up in the middle while

Dan Ilic  14:45  
probably they do sell bathtub sometimes. No I watched the video of this guy and he's got really beautiful eyes like he's He's good looking caveman. Huh?

Rosie Waterland  14:59  
Oh, are you thinking Maybe to the cave. Maybe Maybe he needs an only fans. four feet of marble that holds you up up high in this chamber of humanity who would you? Your time has expired. I

Dan Ilic  15:25  
think you want to join the party at Parliament House with your own political body. Think again. Soon it's gonna be easier than ever to keep parties out of Parliament who aren't already registered as a party. Yes, the Morison government introduced a party registration integrity bill. New parties will no longer require 500 members to register, they'll need 1500 members to register. And new parties won't be able to use a name that's similar to existing parties names. For instance, you couldn't use the word liberal labour or the greens even if you spell labour correctly, or the greens party was about vegetable consumption. You couldn't do that. And you're not allowed to register a party with annoying vexatious or frivolous names. fee mongers with an election coming up has thrown a spanner into the works for any of you who've may have considered starting your own party this election, Louis? Well, I

Lewis Hobba  16:11  
mean, I'm curious, I'm just sort of going back through previous names to figure out who like, what about, say like the sex party, would they have stopped the sex party getting through? Do you think

Dan Ilic  16:20  
it could be a frivolous name? Yeah, like sex can be frivolous? Sex can be frivolous. Yeah. I was thinking about like, like, wouldn't you be would like the totally normal party? Would that get through? Like, if you were like, Whoa, we have a very serious palette with I'm gonna start a party called the very serious party, would they count that as frivolous?

Rosie Waterland  16:39  
Well, I guess I mean, you know, how tuned into politics. I am Daniel. So I had to ask my partner Caleb about about what this story actually meant. And he explained to me that a big part of it is not trying to like tag on to someone else's name. So like, they can't get above you on the ballot and confuse people. So you can't kill yourself like liberal too, because then people might get confused and vote for you thinking they're voting for the liberals. Yes.

Dan Ilic  17:06  
Oh, this is what happened to the Senate election some time ago when the Liberal Democrats got in and they were first on the ballot. And that's how we get some idiots in the Senate.

Rosie Waterland  17:15  
Well, that's what Caleb said. Caleb said, but only idiots would have teach Liberal Democrats. And I said, Ah, would they though, because I probably would have done the wrong thing to maybe this is a solid rule. It may not be entirely democratic. But there are some people who would just look at that and go, Oh, that word looks familiar tick.

Lewis Hobba  17:36  
It should be we should start trading every political party name, like sort of Instagram handles, they should be like, there's like liberal liberal 69 like liberal compound. And then they should be like, Liberal Party official. And so you know that that's the real well, yes. But if they need to bluetick the party names. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  17:58  
I just think like, would it be nice if there was a Labour Party actually spelt labour correctly? And they were? Well, actually, if anything, there's more frivolous name is labour spelt without a you?

Lewis Hobba  18:08  
Yeah, maybe I'll start a party this next election called I'm putting the EU back in labour.

Unknown Speaker  18:15  
That's it. Oh, rational view. So I think we just have to live with Gladys berejiklian is absolutely right. We just have to learn to live with this disease. And we can't continue indefinitely in this stop stop life. Your fear is rational.

Dan Ilic  18:33  
We've got a very special guest this week in irrational fear. It's the leader of the greens, Adam bed. Adam, welcome to irrational fear. Hi there. And First things first, why did the greens vote against the cprs? In 2009? Well,

Adam Bandt  18:47  
what? voting for a carbon price. We did it for it. We got one up 2010. We got it up. And then the liberals and rupert murdoch and the fossil fuel industry came and tore it down.

Dan Ilic  19:02  
So we did have one. Adam, where did the greens stand on this? On this party integrity bill, registration integrity bill, the greens was registered, were registered off the back of 500 people in Tasmania, will you be backing the government's party registration integrity bill?

Adam Bandt  19:18  
No, we don't like it. And it comes as a package of measures that does not just what you've spoken about, but also starts to put a bit of a handbrake on third parties that want to get involved. And clearly that's aimed at groups like get up and so on, that the government doesn't like so it starts to restrict their activities a bit further. And I think there is a place for smaller parties and independent voices in the in Parliament. And, you know, we'd meet the thresholds, but we don't think it's right. So we're opposing it. And there's a number of other crossbenchers who are with us on that and we're hoping that the opposition will join us.

Dan Ilic  19:54  
Do you think it will get in Do you reckon label will back it in?

Adam Bandt  19:58  
I don't know. I don't know. And I The I think there's every chance we can stop it. In the senate at the moment things hang on one vote a lot. And if labour decides to join with us and oppose things, often sadly, that one vote is Pauline Hanson in many instances. And so like putting your faith in working out what her party is going to do on it is not a great way to run a country. But that's that's where we're at at the moment until we kick her out at this election, but so i'm not i'm not gonna predict it. But I'm, I think there's a good chance it's not gonna.

Dan Ilic  20:30  
So if we kick her out of this election, and then change the law, so she can get back in I like it. Now, there's been a lot of talk about climate change this week. I mean, we hear so much about it, I'm sick of it, is it over?

Adam Bandt  20:45  
Certainly not. And it's gonna go for a while. And yet the talk over the last couple of weeks has not been good. And it's another, you know, I don't I don't know what happens what what the metaphor is for after alarm bells, alarm bells ringing

Unknown Speaker  20:59  
loudly,

Adam Bandt  20:59  
you know, sign, I don't know what the next level is. And we're sort of running out of phrases to say what the scientists are doing. But they're basically saying, look, we're gonna, we're kind of got until the rest of this decade. And if we don't fix it, then potentially climate change becomes a runaway chain reaction, and we can't rein it in. And that's what worries me. And that's what's been occupying people this week.

Dan Ilic  21:20  
I really did enjoy the scientists using code read, I think, quoting a few good men is the best way to get people's attention. That was very, very good. Now, it's only 73 days away until we are at COP the Conference of Parties 26 in Glasgow, the big climate talks. I know you're not in government, Adam, but what would you hope this Australian government takes as a national target heading into cop

Adam Bandt  21:47  
75% cut our pollution by 2030. That's what has been the independent climate targets panel has said we need to do that, to do our fair share to limit global warming to one and a half degrees. And you know, above one and a half degrees, Pacific Island countries start to become uninhabitable. Right? You know, we start to see droughts that previously happened infrequently start to happen twice as often. So to do that, according to the scientists, we need 75% cuts. And you know, I didn't think I'd be in this position of saying, Boris Johnson is doing something good, but Boris Johnson is doing something good. And like we're now in this situate like he's, they're talking about nearly 70% cuts on air pollution by 2030. And Joe Biden in the US has come in and more than doubled their or effectively doubled their cuts to over 50%. And meanwhile, we're stuck with Tony Abbott's emissions targets of 26% by 2030, which are which are just woeful. So you've kind of got this situation at the moment where you've got Boris Johnson, Joe Biden and the greens on one side in Australian politics and the others, basically saying, Oh, no, look, everything's fine. We don't need to change our way.

Lewis Hobba  22:55  
The only more depressing thing about Tony Abbott's climate change is Tony Abbott's gosh

Dan Ilic  23:03  
oh my gosh, that's right. Yeah, they do it a podcast I totally forgot to listen to this week. Lewis

Lewis Hobba  23:14  
god no. I'm doing everything I can at the moment to like minimise the things that make me feel angry and sick like I'm whatever nine weeks at the Sydney lockdown I don't need I don't need to choose to listen to Tony Abbott. Now that I am not forced to.

Dan Ilic  23:30  
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Lewis Hobba  23:48  
Apparently apparently the Introduction Music is a banjo. He just turns on a banjo for a while it's pretty well.

Dan Ilic  23:55  
What are they anyway? That could be better if it was a jeweller.

Adam Bandt  24:00  
And no disrespect to you guys. But I think you know john Howard gets invited on 730 and Tony Abbott start his own podcast.

Dan Ilic  24:10  
Adam ban only serious leaders get invited to come on podcast. So hey, look, I interviewed Chris Bowen today Chris Bowen is the is the shadow Environment Minister and in the same breath he gave this he gave this speech about Labour's cop targets what he would love to see not only the Austrian government had to cut it, but in the same breath, he said we need to put aside petty politics. And then at the same time, he said the greens don't have a transition plan for for workers in fossil fuels and they can't be trusted. I told him, I'm I'm pretty sure that's pretty sure that's wrong. Was I right and telling him that Chris was right and telling Chris Bowen that he was wrong.

Adam Bandt  24:48  
You're correct. I mean, I've introduced the bill to establish a transitional authority to ensure that we have a phase phase out of our coal fired power stations in coal mining In a way that looks after the workers in communities in those regions, and I've, I've actually travelled around to coal communities around Australia to basically walk in, you know, the greens are here, we want to phase out coal, but we want to have a discussion with you about how we do it and held public meetings at the, you know, lift muscle group workers clubs and head guys in, you know, high vis vests with arms folded and sitting down the front glaring, and it's all the way through the stage. And they come up afterwards and they say, look, you know, it's done. I agree with everything you say, but you're the only you're the only ones who are actually being honest with us about the need for a transition.

Dan Ilic  25:34  
Louis and I did a show at the hunter. Two months ago, I've been up in Newcastle. And it's so interesting talking to folks after that show, because, you know, they know, they know that fossil fuels is going to have a sunset time, they're just waiting for someone to put in the solutions to get them the next career. It's really strange.

Adam Bandt  25:53  
We've sent down really badly in this country, right, like we've seen transition happen and just come in slam communities. But we've also seen that done reasonably well. You know, the car industry was a really bad example, that they just shut it down overnight. And all of a sudden, people lost their jobs, and they didn't have anything secured and move into. But we know this is coming, right and the people in these areas now what's coming. So we can say let's make this the place that we are going to create green steel and build green hydrogen, let's make it an energy and a manufacturing power base. It's not it's within our weight to do it.

Lewis Hobba  26:27  
Yeah, as I say, it was really interesting when we were doing the irrational fear shows in, you know, climate, vulnerable communities, particularly communities that have a lot of fossil fuel industry. And we will be chatting to them afterwards. And so many people would say, like, no one is more guilty. They has this more sense of climate guilt than me. They're like, I go on the ground, and I know what I'm doing, but pays for my kids I get this is my life. It's what my parents did. And and the things that they like, I've got like, I couldn't have more solar panels on my roof. I couldn't have hobbies, having shorter showers, like everything I do in my life is about trying to mitigate this. But I also just don't feel like I've got a way out here. Like it's sort of what they would call the sort of golden handcuffs of that industry.

Adam Bandt  27:10  
And that's up to us to do it. Right. That's what government is for government is about saying, here's the change we need to make. And we've got to look after people along the way. And the good news is like in those places in New South Wales, in Queensland, like in many of those areas, there's a lot of sun, there's wind, we could actually use that to create electricity that we then use to create other products. And we could be creating zero carbon steel here in Australia, zero carbon products to sell the risk, zero pollution or other products to sell the rest of the world like we can start doing this stuff. But we we just we just need government to do it.

Dan Ilic  27:47  
Speaking of people getting in the way, I've been hosting the better futures forum this week, Adam and Matt Cain said at the forum, he said, if if you're if it gets in the way of climate action, get out of the way. He's a liberal minister, who was he talking to you? They

Adam Bandt  28:02  
are most of the Liberal Party. And he also said, you know, this is your opportunity send a message by voting and I couldn't agree with him more though brains. Gonna be doing our rights for us. But thank you very much,

Dan Ilic  28:17  
man. Well, I didn't let me ask you like if you could pick anyone to join you on the back bench could be from any party. Let's play a bit of fantasy back bench here. Who would you pick?

Adam Bandt  28:28  
So they go on the back bench?

Dan Ilic  28:29  
Yeah, you're on the front bench? Yeah. Or the front.

Adam Bandt  28:31  
Okay. Joe Fitzgibbon put him on the back bench. And then

Dan Ilic  28:44  
I lost bone about Matt canes quite about getting out of the way. And I said to Chris, that's a pretty decent sledge against Joe Fitz given, isn't it?

Lewis Hobba  28:55  
Like how what, how worried should we all be Do you think at about the fact that that doesn't really appear to be any sort of effective? Major opposition, obviously, there's the greens in their their parties, but in terms of a you know, whether it's liberal labour, the big two, neither of them seem to have any kind of desire to make any real changes or whether it's desire. They don't seem to have the spine for it.

Adam Bandt  29:18  
Well, this is what worries me is that we've got you've got the United States President Joe Biden, saying the climate crisis is an existential threat. You've got Boris Johnson and his government saying we've only got a short period of time to act. You've now got the United States, which is supposedly Australia's biggest and closest allies, ally, publicly speaking, saying Australia's targets for 2030 are not enough. We need to do something about it. And while the rest of the world is saying, waking up and listening to the alarm bell saying, right, we've only got a short period of time to turn around, and they're actually trying to do something about it. We're trying to hold them back. And it's a real real worry and like the grains are in there, trying to hold Scott Morris into account honestly, the end of the Scott Morrison government and the next election i really really do like he's the the climate deniers, they are increasing inequality in Australia and we've got to kick him out. But it's getting pretty hard to try and put the pressure on them and hold them to account when the others Labour's fighting with them to open up new gas fields in the beetaloo. Right, we should be keeping it all in the ground. And working out how to transition away from not working out how we can open up these new gas fields in the Northern Territory. And in those gas fields in the Northern Territory. There's about seven years worth of Australia's pollution there. So hearing, I'm glad that you know labour starting to take a small step towards the side of science. But what we really need to do is put the asset on Morrison in the lead up to that climate summit at the end of the year so that he goes there and joins Joe Biden and Boris Johnson instead of hanging out with Saudi Arabia and Russia, which is where we are at the moment,

Dan Ilic  30:57  
some of my favourite liberal democracies. Well, thank you so much. It was absolutely great to have you join us, Adam. Appreciate that. A big thank you to all of our guests tonight. Jacob Stanley, Rosie Waterloo, Louis harbour and Adam bandt. If you got it God's got anything to plug Jacob.

Jacob Stanley  31:14  
I suppose we should mention a little podcast, Just The Gist podcast you can check out just the gist podcast we release new episodes weekly ish. We share crazy wild true stories in a very easy to digest way so you'll be able to remember all the cool details and then share them at a dinner party.

Rosie Waterland  31:35  
That's the first time he's ever done a plug. Good job. just comes naturally.

Dan Ilic  31:43  
Rosie you wanna plug anything?

Rosie Waterland  31:45  
Um, I guess I will also just say plug just the just oh and follow Jacob William Stanley on Instagram get his own account.

Dan Ilic  31:53  
Oh, yeah. He's gonna get his money going. Outside go level cashola coming at him. Van. Would you like to plug anything?

Adam Bandt  32:03  
Yeah, the next election is going to be really close. chance to kick Scott Morrison at bright brains and I will go now seem frivolous. And lastly, firelight Shawn walk.

Lewis Hobba  32:17  
Yeah.

Adam Bandt  32:19  
Funny, funny guy. And model my look and my glasses. My

Lewis Hobba  32:25  
Ah, yes. All right. Adam, are you guys internally, you guys would be much more tuned in than we are you guys taking predictions on when the election obey? Yeah,

Adam Bandt  32:37  
based on the based on New South Wales and the current rate of vaccination rollout, probably going to be the start of next year. But you know, Scott Morrison, I think he does think he's the chosen one, I think is every chance to do tapings he can pull it off. He's here we'll do it.

Dan Ilic  32:53  
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Lewis Hobba  33:38  
Ah, honestly, it's gonna it's gonna be a bit of a clusterfuck I feel like we should let everyone go. Everyone he has much more important things to do that what do you plug a piano?

Dan Ilic  33:50  
I'll tell you what, next week, we're gonna hear Lewis play the piano.

Lewis Hobba  33:53  
Okay, I'll try to set it up. Otherwise you just watch me use my Thera gun.

Dan Ilic  34:01  
Thanks very much. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Good night.

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Dan Ilic  0:00  
This podcast is supported in part by the birth of foundation. Good evening, Lewis. Hello, Daniel. How are you? I'm, well, I I like the rest of our listeners want to know, how are you going with Billy Joel's Vienna?

Lewis Hobba  0:14  
I, I've just rushed home from work. And I had five minutes to spare before the podcast started. And I just had a quick practice. And I can get from the very start to the very end in a fashion.

Dan Ilic  0:28  
Oh, wow. Like, like still with stops and starts or you know, going, Okay.

Lewis Hobba  0:33  
I would like if you heard it, you wouldn't be like, Oh, it's Billy Joe, you know. But for a person who hasn't touched the piano since he was five. It's functional. Like, if you knew the song, you heard me playing it, you would probably go. I reckon that guy's playing Billy Joel's piano.

Dan Ilic  0:50  
Well, also, a lot of people don't know really, Joseph. It's one of the more obscure village owl songs I thought I was, I thought I was well across the oeuvre of Billy Joel. But I had never heard of Vienna till last week.

Lewis Hobba  1:03  
This is exactly why I chose it. You see, because if I chose Piano Man, and I'm at a party, and here we can have parties again. And there's a piano there and I sit down and I start going there, then everyone look at me and go that guy and he knows one song, and it's piano. Whereas if I stop playing the piano, they like no one in their right mind would only learn Vienna, this guy must be a pianist because it must be the 1000 songs he knows. So it's all mind games. You know, the next one is they're going to want you to play piano like but don't worry. You're not going to go to a party until 2015. So it's totally fine. Well, much like Billy Joel I already resent piano and

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Unknown Speaker  2:46  
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Dan Ilic  2:59  
Tonight Rianna is now officially a billionaire and like all billionaires the singer is planning to head into space to open a diamond mine in the sky and Australia is ranked last among 200 countries for its action on climate change. Prime Minister Scott Morrison says it's not a race and the AC T goes into lockdown after one positive case proving that the camera bubble can be burst by a little prick. It's Friday the 13th of August what's got to drop first these COVID cases or Donda? This is irrational fear.

Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former premier of Queensland Danny let's let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. And now, since breaking out as a Best Newcomer nominee, the Perth Comedy Festival he's been forced to work at the chaser and the feed is net domina. Thank you for having me. Now net what's the worst thing about working for the chaser? The sexual advances watch. These often referred to as the Lebanese Australian Louis Theroux, but don't try to pigeonhole this young Walkley winner. It's Marty smiling. Now, Marty, how many former channel vape presenters have walkways? Is it just you in Java? That's a yes,

Marty Smiley  4:20  
Java won a Walkley Award for his deep dive into bone smoking.

Dan Ilic  4:30  
And he's often referred to as the next Billy Joel. It's Louis Alba.

Lewis Hobba  4:33  
Thank you so much. Yes. The 55 key Piano Man, my piano on the piano boy. It's like I'm doing a gritty rabid of the piano man. I'm the son of piano.

Dan Ilic  4:44  
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Unknown Speaker  4:50  
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Unknown Speaker  5:02  
Now I've always said, I've got a plan. And the plan is the plan. It's a planning plan that's been planned. I've always said that will David Attenborough and the Earthlings be able to stop the missions in the time? Now you Listen here, Scott, we've

Unknown Speaker  5:18  
only got a couple of years left until the point of no return. The numbers are just not looking good.

Unknown Speaker  5:24  
Well, that's great, then we can blame the collapse of the earth online, or will they suffocate themselves and every other living creature in a toxic soup of stinky greenhouse gases?

Unknown Speaker  5:37  
Everything is dying, Mr. Morrison, and you're doing nothing.

Unknown Speaker  5:42  
I'm not going to do anything that will cost jobs and the most of risk jobs are those on the boards of fossil fuel companies that all need after I lose the election in eight months time. I've always said that. I find out and this the potentially last ever series of the show, but jumped the shark up to the red now songs.

Unknown Speaker  6:15  
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Dan Ilic  6:26  
Yeah, there you go. Production date production display.

Lewis Hobba  6:31  
Who's ready for fun?

Dan Ilic  6:32  
Yes. The IPCC dropped their latest report this week and it was not the feel good event of the year we were promised. And the unsurprisingly bleak report basically means the earth is fact we factor and we're still fucking it. And if we would have a chance to continue as a species as in to keep on fucking each other. We need to stop fucking the planet ASAP. Fear mongers, how has the IPCC report impacted your wake net?

Nat Damena  6:58  
Well, it seems like every like climate change report that comes out is like worse. It's, it's worse, and also stating the same thing over and over again, which is there's a problem. No one's ever offering any solutions.

Marty Smiley  7:16  
That they just tell us it's bad that it's getting worse. And as Dan described to me at a time, it's fun.

Nat Damena  7:23  
Well, I read the article today. Let's say we've got to keep the temperature of the earth below 1.5 degrees Celsius by 2030. Otherwise, there'll be unpreventable damage to the but the article also said, If we can't do that, we'll do 1.6. And if we can't do that, we'll do 1.7

Marty Smiley  7:41  
I did say that it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Lewis Hobba  7:45  
You think they've already given out Li look? 1.5 is the dream but we're aiming for three?

Nat Damena  7:49  
Yeah, they're moving the goalposts. Yeah. Like, it's like if I said, Look, I'm going to try and eat one packet of Mac and chase tonight. I'll try the two if not

Dan Ilic  8:00  
three, it is yeah, sorry. It is. It is interesting to see how this is being kind of, you know, dealt with this week across the political spectrum. I don't know if you saw the same day as that report came out the young liberals in the AC t were holding a fundraiser in Canberra, where they auctioned off a lump of coal from the Adani Carmichael mine. How much do you think a lump of coal from the Adani Carmichael mine would go for at a young liberal fundraiser? How much do you think I went for?

Unknown Speaker  8:32  
Oh, god $500 It's a good question. I don't know the price of a lump of coal and I

Unknown Speaker  8:39  
feel terrible about

Dan Ilic  8:40  
this. Yeah, this is a very john Houston gotcha moment here. A very couldn't explain the cost of a GSA in a cake. Now these lumber coal went for 20 $600 someone paid $2,600 for a lump of coal from the Adani coal mine. Just to what I own the greens

Nat Damena  8:58  
to be fair, like we do live in a world where people pay over $6,000 for bags of air from concerts.

Marty Smiley  9:03  
Well, yeah, like you know, Justin Davis like the water balled or he left on stage, like I would pay a lot of money for that lump of coal that scomo had in Parliament House. I mean, that is iconic clump of coal, that one straight in the poor.

Dan Ilic  9:18  
Isn't that quite indistinct from an other bunch of lumps of coal, you'd have to get it signed and authenticate a certificate

Lewis Hobba  9:24  
to all lumps of coal look the same to you their age lump of coal is a snowflake beautiful and individual.

Marty Smiley  9:33  
Classic climate change activist chatter

Lewis Hobba  9:37  
it's funny, like the only positive if the climate change report for me was that it bumped my lockdown panic down a pig. Like 12 weeks into Sydney lockdown, I'm losing my mind my anxiety never been worse. And I'm like, well, this is the worst thing that will ever happen to me. I'm like, Oh, that's right. I'm gonna burn in 10 years. That's actually was

Marty Smiley  9:59  
some Who has been caught in a climate change disaster? The New South Wales floods of this year? I can't tell you guys it's it's a very scary thing to be caught in. And I can tell anyone listening at home, you know, you don't want to be in the situation I was in. I was stuck at an Airbnb that cost $200 a night to be there for a week. And I was caught in a town that I would never want to spend more than

Lewis Hobba  10:30  
48 hours in, you know, Barnaby Joyce is always like, we don't know the cost of climate change. Marty should be like 200 bucks a night.

Dan Ilic  10:39  
We do know the cost we do know that we have to have the numbers and a written a custom delivery as well. So boring.

Marty Smiley  10:48  
Actually cannot I mean, this is maybe a bit wrong, but floods are by far the most boring disaster. Like is it slowly encroaches. But it takes ages for the water to subside. I would go down there each day to see if I could leave over the bridge Saqqara, john to Richmond back into to New South Wales to the city. And and you know, I would go down 10 centimetres, it's it's not it's not fun.

Dan Ilic  11:14  
This is that that is that is a big, big claim for a man that's currently in his 48th day of lockdown in Sydney. It's so strange and the Australian Financial Review the same day the report came out they ran an opinion piece. This is the headline for the opinion pace. It's called the headline ran. It said high quality Australian coal is lowering global carbon emissions. They ran it right and it was written. It was written by a guy called Paul Flynn and I checked out, I checked out who Paul Flynn was the opinion pace was part of the CEO and managing director of Whitehaven coal,

Marty Smiley  11:54  
like, Oh, god, oh, God, we need extinction rebellion back is is what we need. We need big stunts. We need people back on the streets. And it's a bit it's a bit difficult at the moment. I like what he's

Nat Damena  12:09  
doing. You know, I want to see people put a positive spin on global warming away to see about all the tissue and get out, organise a press conference and go up and say, Look, global warming, it might look bad, but it's delivering fresh clean water in Africa, one iceberg at a time.

Lewis Hobba  12:28  
Like the people who I worry about the climate changes, the fire firefighters, you know, there's always like, there's stories of the one or two firefighters who get bored throughout the summer and go on lighter fire. Yes, that let's be like that. They'll never have to do that. Again. All I have to do go home and run the dryer for 24 hours like you can start a fire for the next 100 years.

Marty Smiley  12:52  
Dan, would you be into doing a sort of extinction rebellion style santia you have done a lot of stunts in the past and your comedic career. Would you be interested in say building a boat? And because you've been letting people know about climate change for some time now you are a sort of NOAA of Australia. I see you as a character within the Australian political scape

Dan Ilic  13:17  
Marty I think boatbuilders is a boom industry. I think there's gonna be I think for where we live in Sydney. I think boat building is going to be the future people living on boats as a future and Marty dare I say when there's a flood I will have an Airbnb on a boat you can rent out.

Lewis Hobba  13:35  
Well, if there's one thing it's funny that the Australian Government has actually invested so much more in like building boats and submarines then in climate change. They're spent like $43 billion on a never ending submarine programme. And they're just like, we're not gonna fight climate change. We're just gonna make sure we can put us all of Australia underwater when the time comes

Marty Smiley  13:54  
with being governed by preppers. That's Scarborough's. That's the thing. Basically.

Nat Damena  14:01  
scomo doesn't look like a prime minister. He looks like him in his wife owner budgerigar farm in North Queensland. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  14:09  
A 100 or two year old bedridden woman has been ordered to prove her date of birth or have a pension cut off calls and emails to send a link with

Dan Ilic  14:20  
a rational fear. This week second fed national MP George Christiansen will not run for the for the Nationals after the next election in order to spend more time with these WordPress. Yes, George Christians. So there's going to start a pro freedom website in the style of Judge report. I don't know have you ever seen the Drudge Report? It's just like this terrible looking website that just has links to other websites and I don't know if you know anything about the internet. There are quite a few other websites that do that job very efficiently. So Eva has some competition. Currently, the nation first.com.au website which is his website is And it needs a password to exist. But before it went down the new daily check it out. And it said, out of the 31 links that were displayed on the websites homepage 30 are from news articles from America. The 31st article was a link to a blog that Mr. Christiansen had published in January asking former US President Donald Trump to issue a pardon to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange and saying it would be a blow to the deep state.

Lewis Hobba  15:31  
But he does something that isn't necessarily terrible. It's still for insane reason. Isn't that like Australian culture to just take something from America from America. But also, I love that he's

Dan Ilic  15:43  
saying we blow to the deep state and George Christensen is part of the deep state he is. He's in government, he is literally a nationals party.

Marty Smiley  15:55  
person is like, the next election in his mind is like, I'm already out. I am no longer a politician.

Lewis Hobba  16:03  
It's like, such a like, the that approach is so like the the guy at school who no one liked, because he in his belief at Parliament, everyone is hanging out together except him. He's like, this is Barry's a group of people. That includes everyone but may

Nat Damena  16:24  
feel like he wanted to start like a right wing podcast and couldn't figure out how the buttons worked

Marty Smiley  16:30  
outside a bunch of links that it's got interesting blogs, there's so I'm gonna tell this and blogs are dead. It's like using Alta Vista to do your searches online.

Dan Ilic  16:41  
He would be better doing a right wing podcast now. I think so. You mean you guys run a podcast? How hard is it to actually have your own podcast?

Marty Smiley  16:49  
Incredibly, yeah. It's very time consuming. I'd say that. I mean, it's very easy if you don't want to do a good job. Yes.

Lewis Hobba  17:00  
That's how we've always been running it. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  17:03  
It's what other kind of content Do you reckon we can expect from this? This Drudge Report style? George Christian did some websites some travel reports of Southeast Asia? Yeah, maybe some recipes.

Marty Smiley  17:14  
I'd love to see like a news breakdown with him with the whip, like called the whip. You know, it's just sort of crack at his way through Conservative News.

I want to say like a Watchmojo top 10 movie death that made you cry. I'd love to see Christian says listicles 10 ways you know you're a liberal. Maybe a photo gallery to his favourite lumps of call.

Dan Ilic  17:42  
Big Johnny day on YouTube says parenting tips.

Lewis Hobba  17:49  
Yeah, he could go daddy, blogger, plays dog use the phrase George Christensen, Ed Daddy, and the same thing.

Unknown Speaker  17:57  
I know how George's mind works. If you start prodding the bear, you're going to make the situation worse for us as a complement. When you've got a thin margin, and start giving reasons for byelection a rational fear,

Dan Ilic  18:11  
this week's third fear it's safe to say the New South Wales the health minister is a major hazard. Yes, Brad hazard this way caused a bit of a ruckus. Please

Lewis Hobba  18:19  
get out, get my

Dan Ilic  18:21  
podcast, Brad has added this way caused a bit of a ruckus in Sydney Southwest when during the daily COVID-19 briefing, he said this

Unknown Speaker  18:29  
configurable, I think, probably something in the order of 90 95% a very high percentage of people are complying. And we're seeing that in places like Fairfield. They've made such a difference there and brought the numbers down to such a low level. I want to thank the people in Fairfield. But there are other communities, other people from other backgrounds, who don't seem to think that it's necessary to comply with the law and who don't really give great consideration to what they do in terms of its impact on the rest of the community.

Dan Ilic  18:57  
While there are people from other backgrounds other than being from Fairfield one when my dad came out to Australia from Fairfield Hey, Tommy, life was tough back in the face back. That's why he moved to a craft fair mungus what background is Brad has on talking about his

Marty Smiley  19:19  
zoom backgrounds? Is he is he gonna go at PayPal in their offices? Are they choosing the wrong setting? Was that what's going on? I can't imagine who he I mean, why does it he just say it you know libs. Always. You know, we are who we are was just sad. just name it may

Nat Damena  19:42  
be amazing, like going on to Twitter and like saying like the response to this clip and everybody being like, well, what is what does he mean by that? What does he mean? He's being racist? That's what he means by Yeah,

Marty Smiley  19:55  
there was no question from the press gallery. Someone would just ask Sorry, you being racist right now in a press conference about health.

Lewis Hobba  20:07  
You know, talking about French au pairs, it's brown,

Marty Smiley  20:11  
wild allegations and of course the mayor for Canterbury Bankstown said it was a bit of a low blow. He wasn't happy with it either. either. I will say, I did get sent a video. Yeah, and my cousin in the West when this all began, and it was one of our liberties brothers on a horse riding his way through the Main Street. Bankstown. So, look, you know, maybe there is some things that the community is doing, but I don't think we should be targeted or singled out for it.

Lewis Hobba  20:42  
But I honestly think if every one was on a horse, if every Australian I actually think that'd be the like, we're all socially distanced, you can't get close. You wouldn't need a mosque. If every single Australian had a horse. No one can punch a horse if they're riding one. Sir.

Dan Ilic  21:02  
Marty, I didn't watch the Olympics last week, but I didn't see any of our cousins from Lebanon in the dressage. Yeah. There was a bread hazard later on winter, kind of rub salt into the wounds and continue on with his diatribe

Unknown Speaker  21:18  
here in New South Wales with people we're just a small element, small group who have caused these problems if they would just behave themselves and have an element of decency towards the rest of the community. We would sort this problem out.

Dan Ilic  21:31  
There's nothing more decent than writing down the middle of Bankstown on a horse it's totally fine. We're bringing joy to the people I don't know what he's all about. And decency. Why Why is all of this talk about decency? You don't need to like lay down a coat on the on the on a paddle for a lady to cross the road these days. Yes,

Marty Smiley  21:53  
kept a bond that we're trying to have a gangland war out here and there. We've got a lot of restrictions that are getting in the way at the moment. So maybe think about that before you start singing.

Lewis Hobba  22:03  
Honestly, like I know that the New South Wales Police are so crazy about gang warfare, like regardless of how big or small it actually is, but can I just say I feel like if all of the gangs once again, we're on horses. I know I'm harping on about this but I'm saying give give every gang a horse and a lance. Yeah, take it back to the full jousting days. They would not be an Australian member of the public who would not be on the side of the gang like it should be like Australians love and Italian gang bed hydel Lebanese gang, gang, they'd all be mad for a host gang.

Marty Smiley  22:39  
We should get you on the VR team for some of the most prominent gangs. Good Lois. emerged as a good man for the community this

Lewis Hobba  22:51  
protests like people always chanted hos cops, get those animals off those horses. Just be like, put those Lebanese on those horses. get around this. No justice, no peace officers for the Lebanese.

Dan Ilic  23:14  
That is it for rational view tonight. big thank you to activate Mati body smiley, Louis, all that. What would you like to plug plug folks Marty in that way

Marty Smiley  23:21  
out? Yes, please. As I said, we do have a podcast. It's called house warming. We record it right here in this room actually in our share house. And it's about renting and all the woes and miseries that go with it.

Dan Ilic  23:36  
And you've had some really famous people on there you've had like, lots of ex smiley,

Marty Smiley  23:45  
a chap called Daniel Sloss. We had Linda Mariano this week, who revealed that she used to snap still snacks from Louis unbelievable. I

Lewis Hobba  23:53  
just saw that clip a second ago. I'm like, because Linda Mariano if you don't know her is literally the nicest person I've ever met. Like she's so kind and generous and wonderful and interesting and brilliant. And the fact that for the last four years she's been stealing my snacks has changed everything I've known about her and the ones you gotta look out for this one on the horse. Lewis Would you like to plug anything? No, Dan, nothing for me.

Dan Ilic  24:24  
I want to plug a podcast called irrational fear. It's really great. Make sure you head to the Patreon and chip in so we can pay for it assistant. So it's patreon.com forward slash irrational fear. Big thanks to road Mike's Patreon supporters both the foundation also Jacob round on the tepanyaki timeline Rubin day guests and also Robbie McGregor. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Good night.

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Dan Ilic  0:00  
Happy Friday, Louis,

Lewis Hobba  0:01  
Happy Friday dad. And I'm glad you told me it was Friday because I have no idea what day it is.

Dan Ilic  0:08  
Well, I there's a, there's a store in Bondi that has the number of days sydneysiders have been locked down, plastered upon it. They take their menus, and they make a giant giant gribbon numbers. So the currently is 41 days we've been in lockdown. 41 days, Louis, and void. It just still feels like day five to me. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  0:27  
well, I've been on a little holiday for the last week. Pretty cool holiday, obviously, just staying at home and going insane. And I was trying to think about what like what I could do to pass the time while I was here. And so I was taking inspiration from the movie Groundhog Day, because that's what we're living in. And I was like, What is he doing Groundhog Day to like, you know, improve his situation in. In the original version, he killed himself, which is not what I've always done, decided to do the thing where he learns to play piano. Remember how he how he plays? So yeah, so what have you learned? What have you learned one song? Yeah, five days ago, I bought a piano and, and I'm learning to play a song on it. And I've never played piano before. I'm terrible at it. And that's how I'm passing my time.

Dan Ilic  1:13  
What's the song you're learning to play?

Lewis Hobba  1:15  
Well, I'm learning to play Billy Joel's Vienna, which if you know the song is really difficult. It's so like, it's not a beginner's pace. It's a stupid, it's a foolish thing that I'm doing. But I won't rest until I learned that song.

Dan Ilic  1:30  
So next week at the end of the show, you're going to play Billy Joel so yeah,

Lewis Hobba  1:34  
well, I'll play you some version of it. They're like play G major. Mike. I'm just making noises. Yep,

Dan Ilic  1:43  
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Dan Ilic  2:04  
So not Hillsong Pastor Brian Houston has been charged with allegedly concealing sexual assault abuse, which plays his way to becoming the Attorney General by the year's end. And hungry Jack's founder says Australia should learn to live with a virus just like they've learned to live with a whopper. And the whole state of Victoria is gone into its sixth lockdown due to an outbreak of smugness. It's the sixth of August 2021. And with more breaches than an airport holiday in this is irrational fear. irrational fear.

Hello, webinar rational fee. I'm your host former Olympic skateboarder Dan Ilic. Let's meet our fee mungus. For tonight, she's casually been a guest on everybody's satirical comedy shows over the last little bit won't be long before she has her own buy shares in Vidya Raja because she's gone to the moon.

Vidya Rajan  3:01  
Everyone, happy luck.

Dan Ilic  3:05  
Happy lockdown Vidya How is Victoria lockdown how's Victoria is lock number six lockdown for you.

Vidya Rajan  3:09  
You know it's we're about six minutes in and this is probably dissipating.

Dan Ilic  3:18  
And he got his start performing at irrational fear. Now he's has his own la dee da amazon prime Shar from the Mass Effect. It's jazz tremula

Jazz Twemlow  3:27  
Hello, my boss actually is going to the moon leaving us all behind. That's very, very kind.

Dan Ilic  3:35  
And it's a man who doesn't have a Netflix deal just yet Louis harbour

Lewis Hobba  3:39  
no Short but sweet and accurate that introduction? Yeah. 100% accurate.

Dan Ilic  3:45  
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Dan Ilic  4:22  
All right, this week's first year Sky News been banned from posting on YouTube for a week after posting COVID denial videos. According to YouTube's three strikes in your out policy. Sky News is peddling at least three videos of misinformation about COVID My question is only three short like anyway, fee mongers awake without Sky News. How will our uncle's cope? Oh well, I

Lewis Hobba  4:47  
cuz I said I've been on a little break from work over the last week. So I've basically read no news over the last week. So I'm so excited to find out from this podcast. What's been happening Fingers crossed. Some good stuff.

Jazz Twemlow  5:00  
This feels like good stuff. If I'm totally honest, there's even less news for you to not read now, so you're gonna save even more time you're not doing stuff. That's great.

Dan Ilic  5:09  
Yeah, that's right. There's at least one brand of news that is is banned from YouTube Vidya. How do you how do you feel about Sky News taking a break from YouTube?

Vidya Rajan  5:18  
Well, I think this is just gonna galvanise the uncles to start their own channels if they aren't. From my experience of uncle. They're about like one bad night away from becoming YouTube radicals.

Lewis Hobba  5:31  
He was crazy. I did sort of have a look at some of the stats about the viewership that they do have online like because we all everyone always says like Sky News. Who cares? no one watches it like this guy. And he's orthodox a joke. You know, 50,000 people something like true, worse than breakfast television numbers like really, like, almost as bad at this podcast, like almost insignificant. But they do do quite well online. So it is it is pretty massive for them. I'm sure they are. I wonder what they'll like whether this will change anything in the future football

Jazz Twemlow  6:01  
really start like an outsider's outsiders channel now. It's not on YouTube. If I count more outside, can you pretend to be anyway,

Lewis Hobba  6:11  
I like to imagine the Sky News will eventually just be a town crier.

Dan Ilic  6:15  
Just what every good uncle should be doing for a job. You're absolutely right, Louis, their numbers are tiny on TV. And they do get millions of hits online and over the last three years have been really pummeling the YouTube channel to boost it to make sure they make the most click Beatty stuff. And Sky News has become like the top of the funnel for laundering misinformation for all of kind of the news corp Empire. So I don't know if we all remember where we were when Sherry marks and told us about the Wu Han lab theory with all the authority of a Facebook post written by divorce dad. I don't know if you you were there. I remember seeing again, you're absolutely not sad, crazy. We

Lewis Hobba  6:51  
still don't have all the evidence on that, Dan.

Dan Ilic  6:55  
But the great thing is, you know, the way they want why she did that was that so other news corp networks can pick up that as saying, well, we didn't say it but look at Sky News in Australia, they've reported this, and so they can point they can point to something wacky and zany that the people in the colonies have done to kind of justified telling the story to their other millions of people. It's It's It's awful.

Jazz Twemlow  7:17  
I love the I love the defence of like, well, we're just putting stuff out there you know, we're providing but it's just not you know, it's like sort of it's someone saying like, Oh, it's weird. My Channel telling people to eat cyanide has been taken down like where's the barrel? And so we don't need balance on that. We don't need balance on that. It's pretty clear.

Vidya Rajan  7:34  
I was back in Perth recently where my family is and one of our other friends slash uncle's has completely gone down that that rabbit hole. Wow. have you dealt with it? Well, I mean, I had to you know bite my tongue and be respectful because of like, you know, hashtag brown family vibes. But um, it was it was actually very disappointing to me because I was like, you know, half these people like white supremacists and you'll literally like they don't they don't like you. You're not on their side. But also it was like Shouldn't you be spending your time like policing your daughter's sexuality or something like what what are you doing? Back to the classic? Yeah, nothing vibrant uncle should be falling for this but I think they are

Jazz Twemlow  8:15  
to become an uncle when you is because it seems like so tied to that specific relation. Like if you fall down like a queue and on hold or something and you don't have any any nephews or nieces? Do they spawn as soon as you become an uncle? If you fall prey to the ideas or is it you're the uncle first and then the idea is it seems so specific to that. But I think

Vidya Rajan  8:39  
now like like Daddy, anyone can

Lewis Hobba  8:43  
just choke me uncle is the new, the new. He's gone full on call.

Dan Ilic  8:51  
I went through some comments about this story on The Daily Mail and I found some great ones. I thought I'd share them with you. This one is from line in the sand from Vero Beach United States. Your poor country is turning into Korea. Hmm. I'm pretty sure you mean North Korea but i think you know, we kind of get the point we kind of

Lewis Hobba  9:08  
like point that Yeah, you guys are doing some great boy bands. You've got a really good mobile phone company. Like congrats

Dan Ilic  9:15  
looks like really turning this thing around. won an Oscar recently. Cut the crap from Sydney Australia says no surprises there. Social media big tech have been booked burning for ages. I know that's not true. Look, we can say what you want about Amazon destroying the book industry but they didn't really do any burning. That's terrible. This is this one here from Louis from Sydney. Anybody just anybody who thinks this is good? It's completely clueless and uninformed. Soon we'll have just one government news source and we'll be told what is happening and it will fit the government narrative. Louie from Sydney has obviously never watched Sky News.

Jazz Twemlow  9:56  
The one news who does feed the government narrative is gone. It's all Got a narrative now? That's great.

Vidya Rajan  10:02  
Has Kevin Rudd reacted to this? Because I know this is like this wakes him up in the morning so,

Dan Ilic  10:08  
yeah, this is this is gonna be this is this is Kevin Rudd bait. This is Kevin Rudd back. This is this is like a tweet. This is a thread for Kevin Rudd, where did I have it? Yeah.

Lewis Hobba  10:17  
I have been following Kevin Rudd some tweets though, because I just curious because it is so easy to let me say this, like at the start of the pandemic, some friends and I were like, Who do you think would be the best Prime Minister that we've ever had right now? Like, who? And we were like Kevin Rudd, like the guy is the guy never sleeps. He says, like obsessed with detail. Like he was a nightmare. And everyone hated him internally, but like, he's the guy you want right now. But he was also like, pretty unlikable and smug by the end. So I was really curious to see what happened when he started to get a little bit of like positive press, and everyone's like, oh, he did the Pfizer jabs and old uncle calves back. And then but he hasn't, he's been really restrained on Twitter and he has not gotten smug and he must be killing it.

Dan Ilic  11:04  
I don't know if you were out and about last weekend, like me, I was driving around trying to find a place to do some exercise, but it's really hard because there were cops everywhere. It was very difficult in Sydney to kind of do anything. Lastly again. And I have to say though, when it comes to lockdown protesters, the Melbourne anti lockdown protesters have they've been doing it a while they're really practice that their whole sovereign citizenship bullshit. Whereas in Sydney, the anti lockdown sovereign citizens haven't done the rating. They haven't kind of learned enough about the Magna Carta to pull off being a sovereign citizen. I've got a clip here. Let me play it for you. This is from a Sydney pro locked down protester who's been pulled over by the police. My under arrest are free to go. And committed events.

Unknown Speaker  11:49  
What's the offence, sorry, what's the offence? unsecure light drunk for the Australian flag, and

Dan Ilic  11:54  
also it is obviously a potential COVID which we're trying to figure out if you want to provide it. I think you're making a comment to say that you haven't committed the offence and we'll accept that. If not, then it's up to you.

Unknown Speaker  12:04  
This is a sad day for Australia, the Anzac guide for this flag. And now you're penalising or attempting to and if you do this, this will go down in history. This is 74,000 people are watching live. Now we're talking about, we're talking about

Dan Ilic  12:22  
it. If you're going to point your camera at a cup, just don't show them the screen. I love that the cost said you've got one person you'd like to have one person watching.

Vidya Rajan  12:37  
I mean, yeah, the enzymes did die for my right to inflate my engagement.

Jazz Twemlow  12:44  
I love how they use that phrase. They fought and died to sleep. So we could do something they've what they didn't fight and die so you could fight to die. That's such an inversion of what they were going

Dan Ilic  12:55  
and also I mean, Tim Schafer makes a good point on YouTube, the anzacs died for England, which is absolutely correct. Let the flag that we fought under was actually

Lewis Hobba  13:04  
and also they were a lot of masks. Because they had a pandemic. Yeah, and there was gas, you know, like they knew the health risks.

Unknown Speaker  13:18  
Gladys berejiklian in New South Wales have been the gold standard when it comes to responding to the virus can you still describe New South Wales as having a gold standard response? This unfortunately is the state of disaster or rational fear.

Dan Ilic  13:33  
This makes second fear Professor Gilbert, the CO creator of the Oxford AstraZeneca jab has a Barbie doll made in her own it's very inspirational. That's pretty amazing stuff. jazzy got a question for you. Are there Barbies that we can use to prepare kids for real world adult life when other Barbies well? I

Jazz Twemlow  13:49  
mean yeah, this this It feels like the pendulum has swung too far the other way I mean, he used to be kind of happy playtime and my little pony and now kids are being told they have to you know invent a world saving vaccine when they become an adult I think it's a bit bit much like week what about you

Dan Ilic  14:04  
know just too much precious

Jazz Twemlow  14:05  
yeah just prepare them for what's coming like you know out of work actress still waiting for the government arts rescue package Barbie like to something that kind of destroys the illusion and creates the you know, break makes them less innocent by the time they're a full full adult or I thought oceanographer who has to clean up discarded Barbie plastic from the ocean Barbie. That's another one. Also called don't throw another Barbie on the shrimp. That was what I thought you could call call it Yeah, just do some some just original kids toys. They'll just prepare kids. For the for the trials and depression of adult life think it's either too innocent or that's just aiming too high. somewhere in the middle would be the would be the sweet spot, I reckon.

Lewis Hobba  14:49  
Yeah, you're so right, because they've gone from unrealistic body expectations. Like you need to have this really thin neck and no genitals to unrealistic career expectations. Yeah, I found a spot chief that

Dan Ilic  15:04  
I like to think of I was given a best new talent Loki Barbie I would be in a different place right now as a kid. Wow. Yeah, you take it a bit on Home and Away

Vidya Rajan  15:11  
wondering what the Bratz dolls are marketing at the moment cuz they've always been like this CD. Yeah the bad ones are they like you know anti Vax bread and yes sausage like bread is what's happening

Jazz Twemlow  15:26  
well that's the other thing is like this this Bob is very pro kind of one side of the story like what seems to be excluding all the people who you know think that the virus isn't a real thing like where's q anon who's we're falling down in internet hole Barbie or you know any of those ones as well. And weird uncle Ken, Ken has become an uncle

Lewis Hobba  15:47  
just in Australia flag.

Vidya Rajan  15:50  
Flashing is fine with his one view. Fear.

Unknown Speaker  15:56  
Now look, I'm a member of a religious community. And my pastor knows what's going on in our church community. Because that's the responsibility of a religious leader to actually to protect the integrity of your faith community,

Dan Ilic  16:10  
a rational fear. This week's third fear greenhouse gases released by New Zealand's dairy industry have hit an all time high according to the latest data, fear mongers finding cows are going to bring us all down how do we fix this video?

Vidya Rajan  16:24  
I do not know. I just always love when the cows come into the global warming debate because I kind of forget like I focus on the call and then and then it's like no other thoughts are a real problem. a delightful way for humanity to go like I feel like taken out by cow farts like some genetic modification they're trying to do to the gut so that the thoughts on as powerful which you know, I'm sure would be popular in many markets. But um, yeah, I have no idea. I'm just just fascinated that these cows will bring us down and for meat and dairy I guess I switched your nutritional use recently. So I feel like I'm you know, not to be worth but I'm doing really well. Sorry. kind of work over something attritional. Yeah, I don't want to work up on you. But yeah.

Lewis Hobba  17:15  
I don't even know what that means. Because she's substitute. Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker  17:20  
Wow.

Dan Ilic  17:21  
Do you do do you make your own cobs? Is this What's going on? No, no, I'm

Vidya Rajan  17:25  
just trying to cut down dairy. You know?

Jazz Twemlow  17:28  
Was it the the president of federated farmers who was saying, you know, telling us to cut agricultural emissions is virtue signalling, and it's like, as if, as if we're trying to like save the planet so we can brag about it like who we virtue signalling to like Pluto? Like who's like with its virtue signalling, if you want to kind of save the planet, the reason you do is to stop the world ending and so like calling a neurosurgeon like virtue signalling for saving people's lives, like he must love himself. It's really not the intent is good, I think. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  18:02  
I'm a big fan of the brain are you

Dan Ilic  18:07  
that jazz, like the big this, the best thing about that quote is like, if you can imagine that quote, in a New Zealand accent, then you don't have to take it seriously. That's what's great about it. So New Zealand to go off on some Vici singling crusade to shut down the agricultural sector to say, hey, we've reduced type of emissions. It hasn't solved anything. Hey, don't even take it seriously. It's great, shall we call us right off,

Jazz Twemlow  18:28  
but you call us a bunch of latte sipping lefties. But by drinking lattes, we're actually helping the industry so to share.

Unknown Speaker  18:38  
government made a list of the Top 20 marginals in order to allocate taxpayer money to projects in coalition seats and the community. Did you see that? I can't hear any other questions. You're shouting at the top of a rational fear what Australians are getting a more Carfax

Dan Ilic  18:54  
we're gonna play. Hang on a second. Now, I'm gonna play a clip from the week if any of you have a comment, yell out, hang on a sec. I'll stop the tape. You chime in and we'll keep rolling. This hang on set comes from the Deputy Prime Minister at question time this week.

Unknown Speaker  19:06  
I like I like going to the movies and I can't I can't read. I can't remember how it is how to do the IV either. But yeah, how is the IV a little bit the Labour Party got out by the advocator? Yeah, great. The great thing.

Jazz Twemlow  19:22  
I mean, there's no joke. There's no joke here beyond like, What a weird movie like what a odd segue and reference just to pull out such a sheet part. Because that's such a long way to go. to like, bring up the water needed.

Vidya Rajan  19:40  
If you say insult, it's a good thing to advocate.

Dan Ilic  19:45  
This is what Albanese should be doing advocating and we don't say enough of Albanese advocate.

Vidya Rajan  19:51  
He could do more.

Lewis Hobba  19:53  
Yeah, it's funny that in, in within this allegedly drunken ramble. All he managed to do was say quietly thinks about how I actually didn't even bother trying to really possibly to try to get to I was just taking you know the fact that he was hammered on Well, you know, yeah allegedly probably habit.

Vidya Rajan  20:10  
Yeah. compose a poem like you know a aviators from with advocator and advocate Alberni sees alliteration. Like, I just feel like maybe he helped his kids with poetry.

Dan Ilic  20:26  
Barnaby Joyce, the bush poet is the deputy prime minister.

Unknown Speaker  20:30  
The great ideas, man, the great ideas, man striped. All right,

Lewis Hobba  20:36  
hang on a second. And he's mixing he's getting all mixed up now, isn't he? He's been to say a few. He's one of those dads who's gone to sleep on a Friday night watching one film, and he's woken up watching the castle. And he's like fire out. Howard Hughes is really slipped one minute he's a millionaire next minute. The fact that airport stealing his house.

Jazz Twemlow  20:56  
I remember a movie was the Terminator, the Terminator. And the musical numbers at the end. were fantastic. Now I think I think you've seen a film or a TV

Dan Ilic  21:06  
show called The West Wing in the press. The President did great governing like alderney's he does great.

Lewis Hobba  21:14  
Up Prime Minister regime is sick, the leader of the opposition on a point of order, hang on a sec. You know, like I'm watching a parliamentarian or what Barnaby Joyce in particular but any politician just be hammered that publicly. He reminds me of those those old posters that people used to buy uni where it had a different spider's web on all the different drugs like all want to see Barnaby every day of the Parliament sitting. I want him to come in and be like, it's masculine today, fellas, and then we all just get to see what happens.

Dan Ilic  21:48  
This is Yeah. Barnaby on Ba ba ba on. Tequila. matavai on vodka. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  21:54  
just barley on MDMA just being like, actually, although I fuckin love you, mate. I really I fucking love you. I love you and I'm sweating but that's just usual I fall in love.

Jazz Twemlow  22:03  
I've seen The Aviator and I can tell you we can all fly right now.

VO  22:09  
I'm supposed to bring out the on weirdness. The I'm weird.

Vidya Rajan  22:13  
What? What is he saying? Um, weirdness, or own weirdness. Like what is he saying?

Dan Ilic  22:22  
Is my tra weirdness is kind of like omnipotent is that the thing?

Vidya Rajan  22:30  
is omnipotent? I'm weird. Oh, God, why

Dan Ilic  22:32  
Omni weirdness? I don't know. why

Vidya Rajan  22:35  
don't why are they all convinced they're gonna coin a catchphrase. Yeah.

Lewis Hobba  22:41  
Yeah, going back through the history of Australian politics, like, how many of them have managed to coin a really useful catchphrase that stuck around

Dan Ilic  22:48  
conga line of sockos was the only one I can read that was that one will always tell statistics data test

Vidya Rajan  22:54  
data Keating thing or

Dan Ilic  22:56  
did I was kidding. Yeah.

Vidya Rajan  22:58  
No kidding. It's not gonna happen.

Jazz Twemlow  23:00  
So why why do you try and counter Barbies fumble and reach for a weird movie by then also just coming up with something that makes possibly even less sense. Like it's it's a I've done what the like an extra layer of an own goal is but it's like I'm goal ception at this point. It's very confusing.

Lewis Hobba  23:21  
It's just a game of soccer where right at the start they always turn around they never face each other.

Dan Ilic  23:28  
Like it would have been just great if he came out and called out the obvious like Barnaby is clearly blowing 1.0 here like that's what you really need to nail it down.

Vidya Rajan  23:36  
Was it confirmed that he was drunk?

Dan Ilic  23:38  
I don't think it I don't think it is ever good

Lewis Hobba  23:42  
It's so weird that there are no cops of breathalysers in Parliament for some reason.

Dan Ilic  23:48  
Yeah, you don't walk far you get the great thing about the bar is that it's a walking distance and a driving

Lewis Hobba  23:53  
well I in before my like last job that I had one of the last jobs I had before I started working in Telly was working as a barman at Victorian Parliament House.

Dan Ilic  24:04  
No way really. I

Lewis Hobba  24:05  
didn't know. Yeah, yeah, I was a Victorian Parliament House barman for about 18 months. And yeah, just watched and I had to sort of like sign an NDA. All this like you know, let's talk about what you say in there.

Dan Ilic  24:17  
It's a sign an NDA, you're breaking an NDA right now I'm

Lewis Hobba  24:20  
allowed to say I worked there I just can't tell you all the people I so fucking each other.

Dan Ilic  24:30  
That's for the Patreon members. point of order. The deputy prime minister has the kulacz no should continue on there. Great.

Lewis Hobba  24:41  
So, so he's hammered. Elbows tried to stop him on a point of order. And the point of order is on weirdness. So like, why would you just stop him? He's like, Oh, it's on. I'm the point of order. I'm going for his own weirdness. And I like that sort of point of order. Back to Barnaby. And the first thing Barnaby says when he gets the issue is like Weird mumble that now I get under that.

Jazz Twemlow  25:05  
Because now he knows he can get away with it if on if on willingness isn't a legitimate cause, well, if I've got free licence to say whatever wacky shit I want, I'm just gonna let loose. It's great.

Unknown Speaker  25:15  
You're never going to get anything constructed by him. But he did have one bright idea before the other the other day. $300 per jab $300 per jab. I think that was just your ID. I think that was just your It

Dan Ilic  25:30  
was so strange. It's like It's like, easy trying to have a goat the idea it's actually probably a legitimately good idea to get to put in there. It's so weird. It's good

Lewis Hobba  25:40  
because so many people think it's a good idea. I like hey, Sue, like, that's a great idea. Heaps of other countries are doing it. It's working all over the place. And he's like, you know, this guy who I just called the advocator, which is obviously a great thing. It's great guys had a great idea. And let me tell you, it was just his idea. Just he's a genius, a genius.

Unknown Speaker  25:59  
Nice resume he sees and I think we might as well leave it there. Whilst he was asked about alternative policies they need to be alternatives to the issues laid out in the question.

Dan Ilic  26:11  
I don't know what the question was. That is it for our show. Tonight. big thank you to all of our fear mongers Vidya Rajon jazz twemlow Louis harbour and myself Dan knowledge Do you guys have any plug vicentina plug anything I

Vidya Rajan  26:26  
have nothing to plug follow me on Twitter for deranged lockdown takes

Dan Ilic  26:32  
a very good time. Vidya is exemplary on Twitter for deranged lockdown to eggs. I've been living off them for the last little bit. Jazz twemlow Do you really think

Jazz Twemlow  26:41  
I've got the Yeah, the show the moth effect. Episode Two is coming out. Tomorrow, Friday at 11 episode ones already? Yeah, check that out too. It's very deep and weird.

Dan Ilic  26:54  
Louis, do you really have to do anything to play?

Lewis Hobba  26:56  
No dad, nothing at all. If anyone has any tips on how to play piano very quickly, very well. Hit me up play slide into my DMS on Instagram. But otherwise no, I'm pretty clear.

Dan Ilic  27:07  
I'm looking forward to that next week to see getting a taste of where you're at. big thank you to rode mics our Patreon supporters Lance Whitford naurelle fi hen Cassandra Bennett Joe Pittman, Ashfield Sam McLean lane steed, Robin with a Y Margot Laura and Ben cook. We had so many people sign up this week. Thank you so much. It makes a huge difference. JACK makes thanks to jack brown on the tepanyaki timeline. The folks in the discord including Maddie Parma adds Killian and P McNeil. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of good night.

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Dan Ilic  0:00  
Good Day Lewis. How

Lewis Hobba  0:00  
are you? Ah, great, Dan. So good. The tanks are on the streets, Daniel.

Dan Ilic  0:08  
Yes, we're talking a lot about that a little bit later on. I'm excited. I can't wait. I can't wait for the tanks to roll past my house and bond I though I doubt it. We have a Patreon Louis and I tell you what I want I would love a few more Patreon people to join us because I don't know how you feel about this, Louis. I want to hire an assistant.

Lewis Hobba  0:30  
Really? Yeah. I mean, I know I've said this before but have you considered paying me at any point?

Dan Ilic  0:36  
No, no, I would never already pay you made as called the ABC I pay you fucking four cents today. So I'd

Lewis Hobba  0:43  
like five cents a day.

Dan Ilic  0:46  
So please, if you listening to this and you've been a longtime supporter, we absolutely need a few more dollars in our [email protected] forward slash irrational fear so we can hire an assistant that's going to cost a couple 100 bucks a week so please get us up get it cheap in so we can make this a little bit easier.

Lewis Hobba  1:06  
What sort of tasks can I be expected to do

Dan Ilic  1:08  
Daniel I've written out a whole list I've got a list of it's from graphic design to publishing to putting the videos on the internet to getting the web getting the website so it there's a whole bunch of things that I need a production assistant for so please patreon.com forward slash irrational.

Lewis Hobba  1:22  
I was just thinking of applying just to see if I could kind of make a scratch out of this podcast.

Dan Ilic  1:29  
I'm an equal opportunity employer. So I'm happy to happy to get any kind of sex past as my assisted. I'm recording irrational fear on gadigal land in the eora nation sovereignty was never seated we need a treaty. Let's start the show

Unknown Speaker  1:44  
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Dan Ilic  1:57  
Tonight in the band Robert Smith defamation case Ben Robert Smith launches another stunning attack on the character of Ben Robert Smith. And the New South Wales Government is allowing singles in Sydney to nominate a friend to visit their homes in lockdown in what they're calling a singles bubble, which is a much better name than the original Minerva

Voice Over  2:14  
do. And anti vaxxers learned the true meaning of protests is the virus you spread along the way. It's the 30th

Dan Ilic  2:21  
of July 2021. And I've hope you've applied for your paratype pesos. This is a rational fear, irrational.

Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host, former mayor of East town Dan Ilic. Let's meet our fear mongers for tonight. She is one of Australia's most loved comedians, who is definitely now a serious actor from the internet and the FX series Mr. inbetween it's Natalie Tran. Hello, what in general is intriguing? What is it like being a serious actor now? It's very serious, and it's very successful. And it's Jay Todd. Yeah, it's difficult.

Lewis Hobba  3:08  
I would like you to talk more about the craft if you can also the work, the work and the craft.

Dan Ilic  3:13  
That's another podcast list. And next our next be manga has written for Dolly Cleo bride to be Vogue woman's de l girlfriend magazine. They haven't shattered the glass ceiling. No, they've polished the glass floor. It's David Smith. Hey, thank you for having me. Welcome to the sealed section. And our final female UNGA has a moustache of a sex space, but a heart of gold. It's Louis harbour.

Lewis Hobba  3:36  
Thank you. The dream, obviously, is to eventually get a moustache of gold. But until I start making some money somehow, I guess I won't be able to afford

Dan Ilic  3:46  
shipping to the Patreon forward slash irrational fear. Yet, Louis, as a stretch goal, I think I'm the statue of gold. Coming up, we are going to be interviewing the one and only Alan Jones. Believe it or not, yes, he has been dumped from us court papers. So we'll talk to him. But first here is a message from this week's sponsor.

Voice Over  4:08  
irrational fear you're sponsored by the National Vaccine rollout. Already 13% of adults have been vaccinated in just one year. At this rate, we'll be ready to open up to the world just in time for the Brisbane Olympics. The National Vaccine roll gone things come to those who wait or live in another country.

Dan Ilic  4:28  
Yes, this week's first fear the army has been called to help New South Wales battle COVID-19 oh my god fear mongers. Isn't this what the Cuban people want to happen?

Natalie Tran  4:43  
I think if people are going to protest and act like their freedom has been taken away from them, I want to see their freedom be taken away from them. I want it to be justified. And to be honest with you, I don't know if you guys how you felt but when I see people break I mean, I think I would be full on dictator I'm for it. Go crazy. Do it.

Dan Ilic  5:01  
Natalie Tran the people's premier 100%

David Smiedt  5:06  
I'd be up for the forecast of the village people to be honest, I want them I want the Navy. I want I want them all. I want them to lock up the bastards and at the end do YMCA and that'll be that'll be a people's movements I can get behind.

Lewis Hobba  5:20  
As I say it is strange because suddenly like none of the cases in New South Wales have really been from people on the streets until the protests. So it's not like they're, they're reeling in the tank so that you can stop people from going to a bookshop. It's like, clearly directed at those like few 1000 idiots. It just feels like even though we're all angry at them, it feels like such a fucking overreach as usual. It really does. Four

Dan Ilic  5:45  
days ago, Deputy Commissioner Gary warboys said that they're there, there's no chance that the military would be called upon. Now that just proves two things. You can't trust cops. And you can't trust a guy called Gary who spells his name with two hours. Two hours is shifty, Gary. Well,

David Smiedt  6:00  
he's also you know, he's coming up against his mortal enemy, Gary Brad boys. So you have to be careful about those guys. You know, they've got a reputation abroad.

Lewis Hobba  6:10  
It's like if you live in New South Wales, and you're like, you know, my problem with this. It's not enough of a police state. Like, could we just add one more level of insane, heavy handedness? That'd be a delight. That's certainly what I've been missing since the lockdown.

Natalie Tran  6:26  
What just to play devil's advocate, because I am a dictator. I had a I had a look over things. And I saw that the fine was increased, I think from 200 and something up to 500. Is that correct? As part of this whole, like, thing, and I had a look at what other fines were. And I had a look. And you can apparently get fined about $344 for fat arming, which is when you leave your arm hanging out of a car window when you're driving. If you're crawled, yeah, if you're pulled over and you're driving a vehicle, and it's considered that you're not in control, and this can also include wearing thongs when you drive that can be $457. So in the grand scheme of things, I don't think it's that bad. If that makes sense that you could you know, it's not that but I think you have to take things into consideration. You know, you have to put things in context.

Dan Ilic  7:19  
Yes, spreading a deadly disease around to the rest of Australia is only worth about driving a car with songs with

David Smiedt  7:29  
me, which is a phrase I'll be taking away from this podcast with joy in my heart, Natalie. Yeah.

Natalie Tran  7:34  
Well, Marissa is going obviously no one who wants to rat out anyone. But does anyone who knows someone who is pushing the rules to the limit? Or does anyone who knows anyone who is breaking the rules?

Dan Ilic  7:42  
Only people I see on Twitter who are who are taking photos and putting it on on Twitter going look at these people at the beach evenly distanced apart. They're terrible.

Natalie Tran  7:51  
I'm just curious. I don't know. I'm curious. Obviously, I don't I think it's an overreaction. But I am curious to see what reactions need to happen for people to stop because the numbers are going up. And I think if people really genuinely feel that this lockdown is so terrible. And let's face it in Sydney, we've had a wonderful ride compared to the rest of the world. I'm just curious with it. Yeah, we've had protesters come out as though it's the end of the world. I do want to see what they need to feel scared or to feel like to take this seriously.

Dan Ilic  8:23  
Yeah, I totally agree. I think it's so I think, you know, the mixed communications from the government or just had didn't help. I think the failure of the federal government to secure those vaccines and do a proper rollout from 18 months ago, absolutely didn't help. And that is just true. What we're saying now is a true testament to the failure of the federal government to actually delivering something that they should have been on, like, we're talking about a federal government, who when this fucking thing started, developed a board of people with fossil fuel executives on it, and they decided the solution to COVID-19

Voice Over  8:57  
was to build a fucking gas pipeline. Sorry, I just want to get that out again. Yeah, I just want to make that clear.

Lewis Hobba  9:04  
I do think obviously, I know I've talked about this on a previous irrational fear, but I do think if we are going to use the army, and it is going to the army is going to be a solution to getting rid of you know, this COVID situation. What it needs to be is every able bodied man or woman who can hold a gun 100% like the hunter with German. Just Just AstraZeneca and h1 just walking through that protest. It's like a dumb, don't come down. tranq gun tranq gun, every single one of them. Yeah, that's what I mean. Bring it on, man. Let's see it. I want to see the world go crazy. Yeah,

David Smiedt  9:41  
I am looking forward to the army marching into Bondi and trying to tell them apart from the personal trainers who also wear a lot of cameras.

Dan Ilic  9:51  
Yeah, I think that's important. I kind of don't mind this idea. Like imagine ANZAC Day in a few years at the parade. In this middle. I've

Voice Over  9:58  
gotten the Battle of pan I still get tremendous ADHD every time I drive past a muffin break. I just want to stick up someone's nose. And you know, we say we say every ANZAC Day at the going down of the Sun lest we forget to order enough vaccines Oh, it's all terrible. What a What a horrible

Lewis Hobba  10:20  
that's like the end of every segment on this podcast. Oh, it's so terrible.

Natalie Tran  10:24  
Well, no, I just realised I just realised this cuts to me sounding like I condone army rollout. No. Yeah, it's just an absolute mess.

Lewis Hobba  10:33  
Unfortunately, that's um, you're on the record now.

Dan Ilic  10:37  
And can I say net? Welcome to irrational fear.

Unknown Speaker  10:42  
The police horse cops are clenched fist to the face of fiery anti mock down protests. There were false charges that have been approved. A horse, which I haven't done a rational fear.

Dan Ilic  10:58  
Our second fear for tonight, David Smith, you have a concern that CHANNEL SEVEN is relentlessly mining the Olympic medalists for tragedy.

David Smiedt  11:07  
It is annoying, they've gone from fear mongering to tear mongering. So it can be the moment of someone's some young athletes life they've trained for years, or longer. In many cases, they've beaten someone by hundreds of a second. They're standing there with gold radiating from their chests. And the first question is, how do you think your Nana would feel? Remember your Nana, we died from brain cancer? How would she feel about this? Why not? I just have a moment of joy. Why can we just have that moment of joy in the current climate? It's really starting to shoot me.

Lewis Hobba  11:49  
I think it's Yeah, it's fair enough. Like I think it's like, if you're a good commentator, I feel like you want to build that narrative. In the lead up, you know, you want to be like, and it's obviously incredible. They train every day. Plus, of course, she lost her Nana last year. It's been a really tough year, of course, with the COVID. And in a lot of different things. And then when they win, just shut the fuck up. It's like at the end of like rocky to when when rocky wins. They didn't go up to rocky or like, your wife nearly left you How did that feel? You know, like, we got that in the later that was the first to film so that at the end, we could just enjoy that he finally won.

David Smiedt  12:22  
If you if the writing is strong enough that you say you've created a beautiful narrative within with a with a perfect climax to it. It's just like someone walking out of a movie picking holes in the continuity.

Dan Ilic  12:37  
Dave, I think you're absolutely right. And Louis, you are too I think the narrative is very important. And one thing you learn with narrative writing is that you don't want to go to too big too early. And which makes me think what are these commentators going to say when they have to commentate the Paralympics next week? Oh, yeah, absolutely.

David Smiedt  12:56  
You know, and the condescension that should be an event in itself. How are you? How are you gonna roll that into that?

Lewis Hobba  13:08  
I was watching the the surfing the first. Well, that was pretty much all the surfing in the first few days of the Olympics. And oh, and right, who's the Australian surfer Inc, absolute legend, incredible surfer. And his big story is that he suffered a really bad brain injury when he was surfing in 2015. Never thought he'd surf again had to basically teach himself to walk. And then like a few years later had was winning, like his first competition back in Australia won and it was one of the greatest moments in sporting my sporting life. Why? You? Wow. And obviously, when you like the amount of when I was watching him in his first hate, took him about 20 seconds. And then like, of course, he's recovering from the brain injury in 2015. I'm like, Yeah, all right, got that. But then it was like five times the heat. And then it got to the final and honestly, they didn't even talk about the safety they just like remember that brain injury? It was six years ago like we've been called.

David Smiedt  14:03  
Tony give me a little an amuse boosh of tragedy. I'm fine with that. But then just give me seven courses of glory after that. That's what I'm watching for. Natalie, do

Dan Ilic  14:18  
you think people do you think the commentators are going too far with mining tragedy? Oh, guys, I haven't watched it. I haven't watched any of the Olympics.

Lewis Hobba  14:28  
natalina dictator thinks they haven't gotten fired up. But interesting point.

Natalie Tran  14:31  
I didn't believe in flags. No. I watched the opening ceremony. That was about it.

Lewis Hobba  14:39  
You thought they weren't marching in time to get it together?

Natalie Tran  14:42  
I was like, it's not sad enough. It's not Can I get a goose there? I'm I've watched the highlight. I'm so sorry. I'm just not uh, I got it. Yeah, I should watch it.

Dan Ilic  14:51  
I was watching the opening ceremony too. And I I was just wondering, I TGC that all that tap stuff is like we had tap stuff in our opening ceremony. Every show derivative of Sydney two pounds It's

Natalie Tran  15:03  
so good. And I really I was watching it and I thought oh is tapped acting a Japanese? Did I not know that it was tied to Japan and then my dad called me the next day and he said, I didn't know tap dancing with Japanese. It's something that they've done like,

Lewis Hobba  15:19  
No dad. It was invented in Newcastle with the tap dogs.

Dan Ilic  15:24  
That sounds right. Doesn't that sound right? Exactly. I texted one of the tap dogs during the ceremony and I did text him I said this is very derivative.

David Smiedt  15:36  
Can I just say though, on this subject of the Olympics that I do want to I think it Kelly McCown deserves to be a national hero.

Dan Ilic  15:45  
I've got that I've got the exact same reason for that. Let me let me play the video right here. Here we go. Oh, would you

David Smiedt  15:50  
like to say to your mom and your sister for now. She is not on a postage stamp. By the end of this week, I'll be writing a very stern letter.

Dan Ilic  16:04  
I think I think when you win a gold medal, fuck air is totally appropriate and she will be broadcasting and

David Smiedt  16:09  
now our swimming team has both an F bomb and the CBOE which is pretty, pretty amazing.

Dan Ilic  16:18  
Louis, when you did like broadcast or training at Triple J, did you learn about like hard facts and softex? Like,

Lewis Hobba  16:24  
you know, well, obviously, then they don't train you at Triple J.

ALAN JONES  16:29  
Right? Yeah, they

Lewis Hobba  16:31  
just let you go and set the wolves upon you. But you do we do have this thing that well, it's funny because yes, we were told about hard forks and soft forks. But that's in like, it's this ephemeral thing where, particularly with songs, there'll be songs that are like, Fuck you, I fucking hope you die. And that is categorised as a hardback, where if it's like, I fucking love you. It sort of gets considered a soft fuck. A few years into me working there. We had like a training day with someone whose job it is to like, like an editorial policies person or whatever. And we said to them very stern and very like, Well, obviously, there's the hard fork and the soft fork. And they're like, that's all bullshit. That's not real. I don't. Like that's how we've been operating for 40 years now. Like, now that doesn't exist. There's no such thing as a soft fork. I'm like, Oh, well. This guy comes in. This guy comes into the office every day and tells us about like, I brought it home to my relationship.

Dan Ilic  17:34  
It's a guy from the swearing lobby party who's been lobbying for hard facts and soft facts and like, Hey, guys, I recommend the swearing freedom lobby. I'm just letting you guys know you can totally say it. It's like, don't worry about it. It's gonna play Kaley one more time. Here's Kaylee one more time. Rational fear. What would you like to say to your mom and your sister for now? a rational fear. This week's third fear a woman unaware she had $39 million lottery ticket in her purse for weeks. Natalie, you found this story? What scares you about this one? A couple

Natalie Tran  18:11  
years ago, I read an article about how Australia I think had 12 million unclaimed lottery tickets. And what I don't like about it is there's actually a window that closes so if you have a lottery ticket, and you don't claim it within a certain period of time it closes in the United States. Yeah. So it's different the United States where well, they can't just put it on hold for you then. But in the United States, they'll hold it for a while. But just so you guys know in Victoria, I think it is six months in New South Wales. I think it is. Six years last I read so we're slow on closing more than just but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we're slow on a couple of things. We're behind Victoria. But isn't that interesting? So if you're going to lose a lottery ticket, lose it in New South Wales. More importantly,

Dan Ilic  19:01  
if you're going to buy a buy a lottery ticket, buy a lottery ticket in New South Wales.

Natalie Tran  19:06  
Well, she was carrying it around with her. I mean, there's, you know, to be said to how people feel about you entering lottery or gambling in the first place, but imagine carrying it around your purse for that long just carrying that much money around your purse.

Lewis Hobba  19:18  
I reckon I buy like, maybe like two lotto tickets a year. I reckon. Like just for fun. And, and the fear of losing the ticket is so strong, that I only buy them online now. Because then I know that I'll always have like the email telling me that I've won. I would just like the I just know that I'd be the story of like, and fell away in the wind. Like, no fucking way. I'm not going to be that guy.

David Smiedt  19:46  
Yeah, I'd be that I'd be the six year six years. Two days guy. I love that.

Dan Ilic  19:55  
Oh, David, congratulations, but bad news. You're 48 hours. But I know a guy in the ministry maybe we can figure something out. But tomorrow night's numbers are gonna be six for you left to ask the TIC Tock guy for the numbers. He turned out What are you right?

Lewis Hobba  20:18  
What an incredible and predictable fall from right?

Dan Ilic  20:22  
Where we're talking about the tick tock guys a circle committee on Tick Tock who gets to quote unquote guess the numbers of the numbers of the new cases in New South Wales every day for about a few weeks until he was caught out. And then was one of the latest of the protests of the vaccine protest last week. And he got up on stage at the town hall with a megaphone to proclaim himself as the people's premier. And people cheered like he's really really led into this moment.

Lewis Hobba  20:49  
You know what actually bummed me out more way more so than Tick Tock guy who, basically I didn't have time to have any feelings for before he was. But was the loss of egg boy. Yes. Sweet Sweet egg boy PETA Lola

Dan Ilic  21:02  
on on YouTube just said that he's rational figure discussing boy. Isn't that a sad thing? We lost an Australian this week.

Lewis Hobba  21:09  
We lost the hero. We lost like for a boy a man who? Like, well, a man a boy, an egg boy, he's got more eggs. And boy. I mean, what? What an incredible, you know, I have a photo with a boy up on my Instagram. I love that boy.

Dan Ilic  21:27  
Yeah, we tried to get him on irrational fears so often back in the day,

Natalie Tran  21:30  
I'm just looking at the comments and Tim has written he was doubting the rapid testing. But I also agree with Tim's comment as well that egg boys a kitten is allowed to be dumb.

Dan Ilic  21:39  
I think that is absolutely true. That's why I was talking about redemption. You know, he's like, you know, 21 I think there's enough time for a boy to kind of write his wrongs.

Natalie Tran  21:48  
Yeah, and actually forgive people, especially during lockdown periods. And especially people who come to fame online. So they spend a lot of time online, that they fall into rabbit holes. I think that's very understandable.

Dan Ilic  21:59  
Did you fall in any rabbit holes when you're growing up online, Natalie? Deep, deep in the rabbit hole.

Lewis Hobba  22:06  
Okay, the dictator we say before?

Natalie Tran  22:08  
It's me, egg boy. Tick Tock guy. We hang out every week. It's great. I'm so proud. I'm so pro army. I'm pro everything. I'm here.

David Smiedt  22:23  
I fallen into the rabbit hole. It's a bit mean, but I do love watching people deniers of the science struggling to say epidemiologist then it just brings me such Friday joy. I cannot find a word for the Germans was terrible.

Natalie Tran  22:44  
What did he post? Exactly? I know I had a glimpse of his bio that was in a screenshot and it was talking about frequencies that were good for healing.

Lewis Hobba  22:51  
He was like chatting to tick tock guy egg boy and tick tock guy. It's definitely Tick Tock guy. We're hanging out at the protest. Like, like Hank, like, Oh, I see. Yeah, no egg boys all in. Oh, he's he's finally cracked. God. I don't love myself for that.

Unknown Speaker  23:11  
Rational fear did Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison shit himself. McDonald's. Kudos to the Australian people for keeping this thing alive that Scott Morrison who's kind of a pretty creepy guy. Anyway, in 2019 this one so viral that a street artists put up a commemorative plaque a rational fear.

Lewis Hobba  23:31  
Yeah, the next big story, obviously, is that Alan Jones has been kicked off his Daily Telegraph column after a long time still has this guy news show, of course. But we're thrilled that now it's freed up a little bit more time for him to join us on irrational fear once again. Good Alan, welcome to rational fear.

ALAN JONES  23:47  
Good morning, everyone. It's good to be with you.

Lewis Hobba  23:49  
I was wondering what you say about news court's decision to drop your columns from their papers.

Voice Over  23:54  
Can I just say this is disgusting. This is exactly why more people trust those insolent Yahoo's irrational fear than the Daily Telegraph.

Lewis Hobba  24:01  
Well, I mean, to be fair, that's been happening for a long time while you were printed by them.

Natalie Tran  24:05  
I know. It's disgusting that I'm now on a rational theists podcast and I'm not getting paid. The editor of The Daily Telegraph said that you're no longer resonating with readers. Well, I can

Voice Over  24:15  
absolutely confirm that they're no longer publishing my column. But I categorically deny that I wasn't resonating with readers. For starters, The Daily Telegraph was printing in such small text now I can read that properly without a magnifying glass. And we all know that the people who by the Daily Telegraph can't read so calling them readers in the first place is like calling the sceptre Judi reigns who watch the ABC viewers we all know they should be called lard. Hey dribblers if the Daily Telegraph just made the text bigger and more colourful, it would resonate you know like those other stories they have about the 16 months interest free on bedding electrical and furniture from Harvey Norman. Guy Harvey, all like on Sky News precisely. You know, I say something that a child with a journalism degree who couldn't get a job in journalism That summarises it and puts it in big font and underneath my carefully curated pocket square, best dress mat and television. Mr. Jones, how

David Smiedt  25:08  
are you coping with the Sydney lockdown on your palatial country estate?

Voice Over  25:12  
Well, let me tell you, it's extremely stressful for everyone on the farm. It's been at least a week since Joe Bailey came around and gave me a shave and a massage. And Alberto is always popping his head into the studio.

David Smiedt  25:24  
Wait a minute, the opposition leader is going to your studio at your country home.

Voice Over  25:29  
It's the nightmare given to one of my guests, Alberto. He's always eating all the other animals food. It's a bit like the Alp.

Natalie Tran  25:36  
Very funny, and which proven fact do you disbelieve more COVID-19 or climate change?

Voice Over  25:42  
Well, that's a very good question. You know, ever since now, valine has stopped sponsoring my show. It's safe to say I'm warming to global warming.

Lewis Hobba  25:51  
Elon Ray Hadley said you're encouraging protests like the ones we saw on Saturday. What's your response to that?

Voice Over  25:56  
We'll raise right? These are my people and my people are angry because I told them to be angry. They're also well educated. And if there's going to be a champion of the uneducated, it's me. Ray also said half of what I said is very well researched and a half of it isn't and that's by design. two wrongs don't make a right but if I'm wrong, I'm a big enough man to a minute if accuair and a panel of Supreme Court judges compelled me to have you had your AstraZeneca AZ no thank you it's poison. I however am booked into get my first job as AC. ac as nuclear is releasing a new lockdown playlist on Spotify. I've asked my assistant to record it on cache and I'm gonna sit down with Alberto would listen to it. Both sides I NB have AC agenda. Anthony clear is the best medicine that this country needs right now.

Lewis Hobba  26:42  
Ellen, thanks for joining us on irrational fear.

Voice Over  26:44  
It's good to be with you.

Natalie Tran  26:45  
Oh, sorry, guys. I just noticed I think Dan's been on mute this whole time down. I couldn't hear you asking any questions.

Dan Ilic  26:51  
Oh, that's okay. You guys did a really good job. Well, that is it for a rational fee. A big thank you to all of our guests tonight. Natalie Trent David Smith. Lewis. How about you guys who think the plug Natalie, you want to plug anything?

Natalie Tran  27:03  
Oh yeah, I've got a podcast called This American Life. It's smaller. But if you guys check it out, I'd really appreciate that. There is

David Smiedt  27:13  
not a plug but I would love to give a shout out to the staff at the Chris O'Brien Lifehouse working on the front lines and helping people through cancer at this incredibly tough time. You guys are the true heroes.

Natalie Tran  27:25  
Well, Jesus, let me do mine again. Oh, God, like David, you go first. If you're gonna do that, that's just bloody hell.

Dan Ilic  27:36  
So David, David, you've you had food you had cancer? How does it feel now?

David Smiedt  27:44  
I fully I am fully recovered. And thanks to the people I just mentioned. Sorry, I should have said earlier that you never know when to walk in with the camera. That's the problem. I'm glad you're better. Yeah, I'm 100% Yeah, I didn't know I did a festival show about a go finding chemo. So just so you know, my take it out. Is it online anyway? No, no, it was just a little kind of it was mainly for the people who treated me and then they all started bringing their friends and then I found nurses are the best stand up audiences on the planet because they are the darkest motherfuckers we have a brain.

Dan Ilic  28:22  
Lewis you're gonna flag anything?

Lewis Hobba  28:24  
No, I'm on a little break from my other work right now. And I literally am doing nothing like Oh, that is

Dan Ilic  28:31  
what an absolute delight.

Lewis Hobba  28:33  
sure if that's what you want to call it. Let's call it a delay on the losing my mind.

Dan Ilic  28:39  
Yes, no, it is. It does suck. It does suck indeed. A big thank you to our Patreon supporters who pledged this month john Hannah said Georgie Cowen someone could I rain? also a big thanks to our friend Tim D'Souza who's been on the podcast before he upped his rate. So thank you so much. It's really great. Please, if you want to support us head to patreon.com forward slash irrational fear so we can hire an assistant. Until next week, there's always something to be scared of. Good night. Oh, and sorry. In case you haven't figured it out, we we had to cancel our Melbourne shows that we're gonna be great.

Lewis Hobba  29:16  
I like putting those up on Instagram being like, can't wait to see of Elvis.

Dan Ilic  29:23  
I put it up once and then didn't worry about promoting it ever since because I was like, that is no good. I have very low confidence will be allowed out of the state for that.

Lewis Hobba  29:32  
I'm actually so bombed. I can't wait to get to comedy Republic. It's such a beautiful place. And I really am excited about doing shows there. So hopefully it happens sometime in the next decade.

Dan Ilic  29:42  
Thank you very much comedy Republic for having us. We can't wait to go down there until next week. There's always something to be scared. Have a good night.

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On the podcast this week: Sami Shah makes his case to be the new host of Q+A.

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Dan Ilic  0:00  
Get a Louis Hello Daniel. How are you? Look I'm well I have. We've had about a month off this podcast because thanks to Coronavirus, several shows have been cancelled and I want to I want everybody to know I decided we should start the podcast again to sell our Melbourne shows. Because we have Melbourne to Melbourne shows on sale for the middle of August and today, they will also cancel congrat

Lewis Hobba  0:23  
we should just book shows that we know we can't sell just be like,

Dan Ilic  0:28  
yeah, where are the ends? Where the MC j?

Lewis Hobba  0:31  
Yeah, like through the MCG in early August.

Dan Ilic  0:34  
I did it for a comedy festival prank which would be to actually book like a conference room in the MC j and only do three nights during festival and then order some gigantic billboard saying Dan illage mc g three nights only. And when you turn up you have to go up to the like the members standard. I mean like this.

Lewis Hobba  0:54  
Yeah, yeah, I gotta do that. So more show up more cancelled shows which is great. But really good to be back then.

Dan Ilic  1:01  
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Dan Ilic  1:22  
Tonight the Tokyo Olympics opening ceremony is hours away. But critics are saying that it's a mistake to allow delta to perform. And Jeff Bezos flies into space to feel what it's like to no longer be the richest man on earth. And it's got Morrison regret saying that the vaccine rollout is not a race when clearly it is the race that has stopped the nation. It is the 21st of July 2021 and this is the podcast that unifies the entire world. This is irrational fear.

Welcome to irrational fear. I'm your host former Queensland premier Dan Ilic. Let's meet our female guest for tonight. First up is a Melbourne man who is quite satisfied with the gold standard containment of the Coronavirus in New South Wales. It's Sammy Shah How you doing everyone? I'm quite quite loving this lockdown life that we've already presented with I've decided that's the approach I'm taking everyone is taking it I'm gonna be the weirdo who loves it it's gonna be my brand that's my that's my

semi locked in shot. Next is a Sydney stand up comedian. He was definitely okay with not being able to do gigs to earn money is Jenny tiaan Hi. Yeah, I'm

Jenny Tian  2:42  
also in lockdown at the moment. I'm the opposite of Sami. I have been dying here. I've been doing a haircut tutorial off tic Tock and now it looks like I've got like three. One. My hair looks like a decorative rug, honestly.

Dan Ilic  2:58  
Well, I'm glad you said that. Because finally our final guest while in lockdown allowed his girlfriend to cut his own here. It's Louis hava.

Lewis Hobba  3:05  
Yes. And look at these beautiful results. Obviously, the hair on the top of the head I think is actually pretty good. The moustache which you can see on the podcast, so let me describe it to you. Yeah, and everyone loves it. No, no. 100% definitely no one calling me a sex pest or sex tester Jason. Descriptions like 80s PE teacher, which is essentially the same thing.

Sami Shah  3:29  
It's very 70s German porn star was definitely got a vibe there is to get a moustache. We're like if you walk into a car dealership, they give you the white band band. Like clearly you this is your calling.

Dan Ilic  3:48  
We're better for it for having you here. Louis. Thank you so much. Hey, I don't know if you folks noticed this. But while we're on hiatus for the podcast, irrational fear made it into the New York Times. Yeah, yeah, yeah. During um, during the break when the government put out their ad for the Coronavirus campaign, the scare tactic ad, the one that used that use matrix green, no one uses matrix green anymore, but they insisted on using matrix green to scare people in getting a vaccine. I made a parody of that and put it up on a rational fear. And we got into the New York Times well done. Well done, which is huge.

Lewis Hobba  4:25  
Yeah, no one buys newspapers anymore.

Dan Ilic  4:30  
Tragic consequence there our sponsor for this way. She was a 39 year old non essential graphic designer who was merely eight months away from being eligible for a Pfizer vaccine. And yet, she refused to enrol herself into St. Joseph's College. Let's be COVID-19 together, turn 40 sooner or be the son of liberal party donors. spoken by someone who never be held to account from the either hold a syringe to BB and gamma. Brilliant. Thank you. Thank you. The same in the original ad that really Got me was that they just made it so easy to rip and parody. It was it was a parody proof. It was like a parody. Open slather because they had no voiceover over the top of it. And you can rip it and add your own voiceover. I encourage everybody to do it. It's easy to do. Yeah, I mean, I saw that I thought it was the real ad. Are you any closer to 40? Jedi? Oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. That's precisely Yeah.

Sami Shah  5:29  
Am I the oldest person here today? Am I the only one over 40? Actually,

Dan Ilic  5:33  
are you the only one vaccinated?

Sami Shah  5:35  
I've had one round I got I got one round of AstraZeneca. So I've had the first round of Astra. And by the way at the reaction, like I was shivering and shaking and like it was Yeah, it was very much what you know, this is like one o'clock in the morning when I'm lying in a puddle of my own sweat. I was like, maybe the anti vaxxers have a point. The next morning, I was fine again. But yeah, I've had one round so I'm still not Delta proof. But I'm a little bit closer. Yeah,

Lewis Hobba  6:05  
I'm not 40 obviously I still work at Triple J. They'd put a bolt in your head when you hit 40 I I'm one round Dean as well. So I'm bad people. No, I'm fine. I'm fancy as hell.

Jenny Tian  6:22  
So one round in five. were late. Everyone getting Pfizer's?

Dan Ilic  6:28  
I'm the only one out here in Bondi Beach note vexes.

Sami Shah  6:31  
What's going on? You're in ground zero. is basically dry humping patient zero of the new Delta out. You don't have a vaccine. Well, this

Dan Ilic  6:43  
is the first story for today is Sydney man who's received his fourth dose of Coronavirus taxane. He's doubled up he's done the AstraZeneca and the Pfizer. This is last week. 34 year old Tom Lee got to lots of vaccines over the last month. Jenny, do you think this is fair that this guy's has gone and doubled, doubled up his vaccines? You know,

Jenny Tian  7:05  
what I think is really genius about it is that the what the way he did it was that he just hung around vaccination centres basically. And then just went and like, ask people and then he managed to get him. So I reckon he's kind of a genius.

Dan Ilic  7:19  
I think this is probably a good strategy for everyone. Just to look,

Sami Shah  7:23  
this is very much how most comedians start their career as well. You just got a club and you hang around until finally they're like, Alright, do you want to get on stage in fact, is also how most ABC employees start their career. How I got mine by just going to hang out with God or they got embarrassed gave me a job. So if that works in Australia for these two industries, it makes sense it would work for everything else in the country as well. You know what, I'm gonna start hanging your curability just roaming around kirribilli waiting to be the next pm eventually you will get embarrassed and make me pm.

Dan Ilic  7:57  
I was thinking about this today, Sammy, I was thinking Chief, I reckon I would have been a really awesome Prime Minister. 18 months ago, I could have foreseen all of this and put in a bunch of shit. Rather than read to fix Coronavirus before I got this bad before.

Sami Shah  8:14  
This is exactly like when you watch the Winter Olympics and you sit there and those Olympic skiers are going downhill bobbing and weaving and you're sitting at home on your couch or the remote going on. Please, I could do better than that. Semi gravity does most

Dan Ilic  8:28  
of the works. Gravity doesn't work. Of course you can. I'm a short man. I'm a short heavyset man. I've got I've got gravity on my side brother.

Sami Shah  8:38  
saying let's give Scott Morrison the benefit of the doubt clearly, he's doing the best he can. And it is it is ablest to make fun of someone doing the best they can, with the best they can is just that.

Lewis Hobba  8:50  
Definitely was he was just looking. He wasn't the Prime Minister. He was just there. Then he was third in line and two he Bradbury's way like it he 100% followed this.

Sami Shah  9:01  
It was like the movie The death of Stalin but with none of the cleverness, intelligence. Ravi das personality, not a political savvy or any of those things, as he was nothing like the movie death of Stalin.

Jenny Tian  9:16  
Unless in the movie, he went over to the UK to get like a DNA test and find his ancestry.

Dan Ilic  9:26  
Or the Death Star the story I saw death of Stalin at at the Sundance Film Festival but I had 100 idea.

Lewis Hobba  9:33  
I had an edible unvaccinated

Sami Shah  9:44  
I saw this story right now this bond guy scum story on vaccine anti vaxxer data. I saw the death of Stalin in Cannes Film Festival while having an edible. Were you wearing thongs and running up to the manboobs flapping in the breeze.

Dan Ilic  10:02  
Sammy, it was Sunday. It was

Lewis Hobba  10:06  
one day So Dan will be Sundance and on your grey live out drain.

Dan Ilic  10:13  
I had an edible before the show and I was having a great time and I was laughing my head off. But none of the Americans in the audience were enjoying it as much as I was. And then during the q&a, I decided I said to myself, Oh my, I love Armando Iannucci, I've got to go meet him and and he and I got down to the second or first row and at the Sundance Film Festival, and after QA, I was so stoned that I walked out, Damon said, Amanda, and then I can't remember anything I said something about being a satirist to you and I was satirise, but I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure it was just a jumble of fucking consonants and vowels. And

Sami Shah  10:59  
anyway, I'm on our Patreon subscribers. I just say for the record

Unknown Speaker  11:06  
as a politician, the vaccine rollout in

Dan Ilic  11:09  
Australia is a shit show. It is just a mess. And Scotty from marketing has got to take some of the responsibility for it. That was exactly the point I was making just about a rational fear exactly the point. Our second fear this week is who will replace Hamish MacDonald on q&a. Yes, Hamish MacDonald has quit the ABC said no more. And he's now kind of back to the project where he came STEMI Have you got any ideas about who may replace Hamish MacDonald on q&a?

Sami Shah  11:39  
I mean, there's who should replace him and then who will replace him? Right. Well, two separate conversations. The first thing is I do know that announcement I know that announcement very well, which is when they say he's moving on to other projects. It means the ratings in work out the way we were hoping they would we're going to not continue his contract. We might even end his contract early. And we're going to make it sound like it's all his decision while the real people whose fault it is that the show is no good and basically unwatchable. Who are the producers and executive producers on the show will continue on their contracts getting the salaries that they will get it again, anyway, fuck off. Poor Hey, Mitch, because it is not his fault. It was a shit show. And he was hosting a shit show. But regardless, he's gone. Here's why. I think you want to know my honest opinion other than myself, and I genuinely think I do a fine. Good job.

Dan Ilic  12:29  
Sammy, this is my pointer. Well, I want to hear you say I want to hear you give the case yourself. Ah, all right. Here's the fucking

Sami Shah  12:36  
right, let's fucking do this. But it's a debate show. In the end q&a is a debate show. And believe it or not, but I was a world class debater growing up in high school. In university, I paid my way to university, not to prostitution the way young man does. I did it to debate competitions. What kind of world class nerd Do you have to be to be a debater? Who pays his university fees? Using the money and winning to debate that was me? All right. Go on. These kinds of shows which due date have been so bland, so utterly boring, so lacking in personality that the hosts were interchangeable with planks of wood and wood had the exact same low ratings? I'll do it. I'll make it funny. I'll call bullshit when butcher is said I will fact check people do we revisit regular diligence that never happens? And at the same time, encourage good conversation? How many times do you watch q&a? And the conversation is about to get spicy, too. People start arguing and then the presenter goes, Okay, we don't have time for that. We want a viral clip on YouTube and we can comment on Twitter about cutting the conversation short. The hackers job is just making sure everything's as black is a cream. No, fuck off. Let me host the show. But no, they never gonna do it. Then I'm going to give it to me. Give to Nicki and Louie. We're going to give it to anyone with a vaguely interesting you know who's going to get the show. It will be Spears, it will be fucking David Spears, who's the only person who can make Anthony Albanese look at Nick. He's so fucking dumb. All right, and he's going to be the next presenter of the boring show on Australian television history. Wait until the ratings go completely into the toilet. q&a

Jenny Tian  14:32  
that was so beautiful. I'm so inspired.

Sami Shah  14:37  
I need this much semi. Yeah, imagine meeting one of those beautiful rants on television. You're like I'm pretty sure we got guests to talk. You're This show once by the way, I turned it down three times. Show one time I sat next to Jim Jim molan. That's right, and who's unfortunately now very tragically been diagnosed with cancer. And I'm not making fun of him at all for that, but I will say that he had the worst breath I've ever smelled on being when sitting next to him. Every time he spoke, I had to lean back in into my seat so that the breath would walk past the present.

Lewis Hobba  15:28  
What is that a intubating? Is there any rules against that? Or is that quite a good tactic sort of

Sami Shah  15:33  
tactic? That is that is basically that the blackout said he was well versed in

Lewis Hobba  15:40  
if, if we're taking the lurking approach, if we think that lurking around somewhere is what gets you the job, someone should whoever wants to hush. It should look back on Monday nights. His wife or whoever is currently logging on Monday night. I don't know what shows, but just move it back there and whoever's currently hosting it 830 on a Monday give it to them.

Dan Ilic  16:00  
I've got a plan. I can get into the building. I can do some working every day. Yeah, I'll take the leftovers no dignity. Jenny, do you have any ideas about who you'd like to host q&a?

Jenny Tian  16:13  
Dude like after hearing Sammy talk I'm just like wow, I had no idea that was like so much that went behind it and into it I am team Sammy like all the way that's that's my final decision. I haven't considered anyone else. I haven't seen any other candidates but I've been moved.

Dan Ilic  16:30  
I think giving it to somebody who wants it is a good idea is a good first step

Sami Shah  16:35  
that's been believes it I career so far is trying to get up to host q&a and they refuse to give it to him. Now Ronnie just being cruel. They give me give it to everyone in Australia, but valida Lee.

Dan Ilic  16:46  
Well, I know that you know Wiley, Dali and Hamish are represented by the same agency. Maybe they're trying to do some kind of swap crazy swap here. That's interesting.

Sami Shah  16:55  
Oh, look, it's I think he would be amazing. I think if he got it because of how polarising he is. That alone would drive viewership numbers up. Because you would either people who like Walid would watch it people just like what do you hate? Watch it, but they'd watch it regardless. And also Yeah, he conducts debate. Well, I think he's more interesting. And you get more personality out of it. He me, she's an amazing journalist. And way but they need to revamp the show. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who's presenting it. If the show is still present, like structured the same way it will be boring.

Dan Ilic  17:25  
I agree. I think heimish is one of the best brains in journalism in Australia. Like he's so yeah, he's so good. And I think there is fundamental problems with with the show itself. Yeah. That's the fundamental problem. Yeah. Can you believe they moved in? Why would you move it off on a rock star rock step Monday night that's been there for 20

Lewis Hobba  17:44  
years. It's crazy. Like if you whoever made that decision should be should be going back to the project. Like it's crazy to me.

Dan Ilic  17:53  
I really like this from Tim Schumer on YouTube. He says friendly Jordi should host a q&a.

Sami Shah  18:00  
Yeah, get the use of it. I'm not saying I wouldn't watch it. Wouldn't you watch it?

Lewis Hobba  18:04  
Yeah, I wouldn't be very compelling. No. No, I like myself. No. But I didn't watch

Sami Shah  18:11  
it anyway. So they did not watch it. But yeah,

Dan Ilic  18:14  
all right. This week's third theatre, this might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. The coalition believes it has the numbers to stop the Great Barrier Reef is being in listed as in danger from UNESCO. So what's happened is over the last month, the UNESCO has decided that the Great Barrier Reef is going to be listed as in danger. But to stop that from happening, the coalition government has sent Susan lay the environment minister on a seven stop whistle stop tour eight days to talk to every ambassador to the UN for various countries to try and prevent this from happening. It's like why why are they doing this and not sending our health minister to go and get Pfizer vaccine? Why? What it's what benefit is there to try and get a whole bunch of people to not vote that the Great Barrier Reef is in mortal danger when it clearly is dying before our very eyes. fee mongers. What do you think about this, Jenny?

Jenny Tian  19:09  
I think it's quite hilarious that they've decided to send her on this trip over a plane and she's supposed to be the environmental minister.

Dan Ilic  19:17  
Yeah, why don't why don't they send her over zoom like everybody else? Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's quite, it's quite astounding to kind of see the kind of other people that they're talking to. And Australia's trying to shore up votes in the UN with the likes of Bahrain and Saudi Arabia, and the Maldives and Mali and a whole bunch of other countries that are extensively bad actors. And

Sami Shah  19:42  
why don't we just do what we normally do in the situation in which every country normally does this situation is you go to narrow and you give them $25 and a can of pineapples or whatever, it is a bribe narrow these days, and they just vote in your favour and then as a result, you get why you have to go to seven whole other Countries ought to

Lewis Hobba  20:01  
actually do what we've historically done with the UN which is just wait for them to tell us about committing human rights abuses and then say we don't care.

Dan Ilic  20:10  
This is why it's so amazing that the this government actually cares at all about the, the kind of threatening of the Great Barrier Reef at all, according to you, and why do they care about this and not care about our gross human rights abuses? Like

Jenny Tian  20:23  
Well, I've got a theory I reckon it because the thing is, they're just kind of like delaying it till later. So it's like they're just putting in a lot of effort right now to basically procrastinate like you would if it was like a big university final assignment and they're like, we're going to just take a look at it at the last minute

Lewis Hobba  20:43  
or the dream would be to kick it down just long enough till after the next election. And then if they kind of like well if we when we deal with it if we lose someone else's problem,

Dan Ilic  20:52  
but that's exactly what they're doing so they actually putting off the vote they actually tried to convince the UNESCO to put up the vote to 2023 so that's exactly what they're doing Louis is the on parity. Fuck I hate I hate that.

Sami Shah  21:10  
politician using these. Her travel plan for the eight days. This is a legit thing. This is this. These are places she went to over eight days. So it was Budapest to Paris, Paris to Madrid, Madrid back to Paris, Paris to Sarajevo, Sarajevo back to Paris, Paris to Maldives via Oman, Maldives to Australia

Jenny Tian  21:33  
to the ground is that the film around the world in 80 days?

Sami Shah  21:39  
Just around 30 countries 80 days but like that, that is basically a lot of air miles to get together to destroy the Great Barrier Reef which leaves a really good job of doing single handedly

Lewis Hobba  21:52  
Can I say if the Maldives if they as like a group of island nations who are sinking if

Sami Shah  21:59  
they

Lewis Hobba  22:01  
vote against this, like that is that is the biggest cellphone you just got. No, no, this has got to be the sort of this is gonna be the only things you care about. Like you're going under.

Dan Ilic  22:14  
Yeah, the boundaries is literally a nation built on top of a coral reef voting against their entire interest. Yeah, oh, well, we're all gonna die.

Lewis Hobba  22:27  
So the thing is, now that there are so many different options as to how, you know two years ago was definitely climate change. Now it could be anything.

Dan Ilic  22:36  
I'm speaking of Coronavirus and other diseases destroying Australia I don't know if you saw this the the unfortunately the the Australian Grand Prix has been replaced with something else. This November. Milburn's biggest event is set to blow you away like COVID clearing your social calendar strapped in to witness all the action at Albert Park racetrack like birds mating. JIRA ticket to see Lakeside drive lit up with a groundskeeper riding a lawnmower in the distance and catch all the action off the track with the colour and movement of the Melbourne cities Falun Gong practitioners. Melbourne is set to be silent this November. The Australian non pray a ticket will buy you a whole seat. But you'll only need the edge or probably no seat at all because the grass is going to be pretty nice. Now that's much better. Good these right now I'm praying. Alright folks, well, I don't know if you saw this. But Jeff Bezos went into space and and he went up and he went down. He spent like four minutes in space. And he floated around and threw some Skittles around when he got back down the hill at a press conference about that journey. And he actually gave a shout out to a bunch of people about his time in space. I want to thank

Unknown Speaker  24:11  
every Amazon employees and every amazon customer because you guys paid for all this. So seriously, for every amazon customer out there. And every Amazon employee thank you from the bottom of my heart very much.

Dan Ilic  24:28  
Does that does that make me wait you want to throw up as it makes as much as it makes me wonder?

Sami Shah  24:33  
Do you remember the instal those booths in every Amazon factory where it was like a solitary space booth where you could go inside and you could cry or scream or pee into a bottle or whatever? and Amazon employees do when they when they get a moment alone. That booth is filled with just Amazon employees ripping their own skin off their bodies right. Your rage that matters embody a midlife crisis more. I have been divorced getting together.

Lewis Hobba  25:06  
Did you ever consider getting a divorce cowboy hat?

Sami Shah  25:09  
No. For some reason I had just enough dignity to stop myself from doing that. I did go blonde. So I got older. But yes, clearly there I had enough.

Lewis Hobba  25:18  
The best case, like if you were to try to like present that in the best possible case, if you would like to go back in time you like guys in the future, there's going to be a new world. And you will be like, there is a man who started a bookstore. And then he went to space. People like, wow, I should keep reading. Maybe then. took out the edges of that story. It could be quite nice.

Jenny Tian  25:43  
And why don't rub it in Jeff Bezos, like oh my goodness, those four minutes though when he was in space, I reckon was the best four minutes of the Amazon employees lives they were like finally a break.

Sami Shah  25:56  
simultaneously. I get to pay finally. What's the achievement he didn't go any higher in space than anyone's been before? He it wasn't a commercial flight that now we can all afford to do. It was a very rich man buying a rocket and going up in this space for four minutes. Every Russian billionaire Petro craft has probably done that at this point. We just don't know about it. Like what exactly was the achievement here?

Jenny Tian  26:30  
I mean, I think the achievement was that he got to have a massive press conference where he said fucking to all his employees.

Dan Ilic  26:39  
Paul Ford, who is the who was the founder of postflight studio in New York, he tweeted, I never thought I'd say this day the day when space was made uncool.

Lewis Hobba  26:51  
The other part of that press conference, I don't know if you watch the whole thing that you know how there is the like this the effect that they talk about when astronauts go up into space and they see the Earth from space. Yeah, down. And they're like, their mind is blown. And they understand that position in the world no

Sami Shah  27:07  
borders and

Lewis Hobba  27:09  
Rodas people. And clearly when he came down, he had been told by someone in like public relations to say that and I don't think he experienced that at all. But you get where he like Trump's out this line we'd like literally no feeling behind his eyes. He's like, I really learned about all you saw out there was more opportunity for slaves.

Jenny Tian  27:38  
He was just like looking over at Mars like alright, that's next. Let me conquer that now.

Lewis Hobba  27:42  
Yeah, ocean out there. I wonder if there's any employees, I can underpay in there?

Sami Shah  27:48  
Where is the challenger style explosion disaster when you need one. I mean, really, that's the only thing. A loose bolt here rocket can take that take out a teacher who got onto a rocket but for some reason Jeff Bezos gets the lucky rocket that doesn't explode mid flight. Yeah,

Dan Ilic  28:06  
I know. I agree with you, Louis. Like Dave, he did say that. And but if you look at the footage that I don't ever see, I kind of remember anyone looking out the window. Like, the footage was like of them getting out of their seats, throwing Skittles at each other them high fiving doing a selfie. And in four minutes, you don't have time to contemplate the universe and existentialism, but you don't you just don't have time to do that. And they spend like three minutes to like jumping around and hang hanging out with each other.

Lewis Hobba  28:33  
And also, as I like content creator, imagine the pressure of that, like you're going All right, we've got one take one take. And we have spent a lot on this. You are not a professional actor. We've given you three tasks, we need to get all of those for the content. So don't fuck this up. And it would be so possible to ask you on the way back, Johnny, like, Did we get it? Do we get it?

Sami Shah  28:55  
I'll do is I think you make a very good point. I had not thought about this, but I think the space trip for just baby by Jeff Bezos was faked. I found on a soundstage in Hollywood, using Stanley Kubrick when he was still alive. Only now seeing this footage, the entire thing was faked.

Jenny Tian  29:19  
Right That's why he looks so robotic when he's saying all of that it's actually just artificial intelligence. Right? That's it's been done like all that motion capture.

Dan Ilic  29:28  
Yeah, Jeff Bezos was replaced by Alexa.

Sami Shah  29:35  
Alexa has a lot more personality than

Dan Ilic  29:39  
a strange they were called they call themselves astronauts and not like prime plus members. I thought that would have been a better Well, that is it for the show today. Thank you so much to our fear mongers, Louis harbour, Jenny tiaan and semi shards if you guys got anything to plug, genuinely. Look, I've got nothing going on. I mean, Sammy What do you want to play?

Sami Shah  30:04  
Oh look if lockdown ends then August 7 I'm doing assure the company republic in Melbourne hmm appraisal of my here's what's gonna happen I know shows that

Lewis Hobba  30:20  
I have

Sami Shah  30:22  
what I have now is appearing on podcasts for free people like my face enough to give money to my Patreon go to patreon.com slash Sammy Shah and to $7 my way and you'll get a tonne of awesome free stuff and and I won't cry as much as I do most nights exactly Jenny

Dan Ilic  30:39  
Do you have a Patreon you

Jenny Tian  30:40  
want to plug I don't have Patreon nor I die I'll donate to Sammy is or donate to

Dan Ilic  30:48  
Jenny town has got an excellent Tick Tock what follow her Tick Tock it is sensational. It's really really good. Really funny.

Jenny Tian  30:54  
It's at nom nom Jenny, my Instagram is Jenny underscore tn and once lockdowns over I'll be back doing stand up again.

Dan Ilic  31:01  
Yeah, excellent. Louis. You got anything to plug?

Lewis Hobba  31:04  
Yeah, I'll tell you what, I do a radio show every day. It's a Triple J coldharbour. and hang at the moment. Obviously a lot of our listeners are usually people who drive home from work. I don't know if you've heard of that going on. It feels quiet out there. So don't forget if you're out there listening flick all the radio three Say hello. You'll be one of about four people listening.

Sami Shah  31:27  
Also Lewis will be doing circles have your neighbourhood in his wife van trying to pick up kids. Please feel sorry for him and put your child in the van.

Lewis Hobba  31:38  
Can I say Can I just say on that? First of all good idea. But there was in like radio gossip. There was this story going around about Kyle and Jackie. And like all obviously there they have a lot of ideas that get to it. And then there's the ideas that I have that don't get to imagine what those speak. So there is one apparently that is the case. They had this idea where they would set up with parents to lower children into a van using lollies. And if the kid got into the van, the parents did not win money. If the kid said no and didn't get into the van. They won like 20 grand Oh my god. I think

Sami Shah  32:28  
I think they should replace q&a which is that that's what q&a should be is politicians and media commentators luring kids into bands

Jenny Tian  32:38  
like that. How do you know that may you've done your research

Lewis Hobba  32:45  
I need to know all of the TV ideas that are based on people who look like Sex Criminals so I know what

Dan Ilic  32:52  
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You're absolutely right, Louis, these people have never heard our show before. All right, welcome. This is the rational V, I'm your host, former gas turbine Daniel ej. And this is the podcast that kind of rips in the news and drills down on climate change. It's a bit like q&a, but people are actually watching, which is right. And tonight we're in Newcastle, which is terrific. On tonight's show. We'll look at lessons learned from the upper hunter byelection. We'll learn how we can carbon offset our partners that work in mining. And we'll ask just how many drinks Do you need to have to pass a bulk up? Let's meet our female guests for tonight. He's the number one comedy video editor as in he's the first and the oldest comedy video editor in Australia from the chaser to nightly and the news fighters podcast. It's still in vain. And he's a part time human rights lawyer and full time clown. He's one of the writers and performers of semi Jays playground politics. It's James panda. And she's recently was the star and executive producer of her own TV show and gave birth halfway through production. She is doing it all for the writings its reputation rehabs, ghosts and draws dial wasn't all true. And she's a self described hypocrite who is on the frontlines of climate action unlock the gate but lock it back up again real quick because it's locked the gates Gina woods and as soon as he started surfing this year, our final guests became the number one radio DJ in Newcastle. I assume you're from Nova Kasserine FM

Lewis Hobba  3:15  
that's Yeah, no, thank you. I'm thrilled to be here in New Orleans. It's great. Yeah, we found out that the other bit of microphone talking I do the radio show is now the number one drive show in Newcastle. And it was a huge surprise to me, because I have very soft hands. And I just didn't expect to be taken into via violin over Catherine's but I'm fucking thrilled to be here. Yeah. All right. But first, a word from our sponsor.

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Sometimes I like to think we're winning the hearts and minds for climate justice in this country. Then I realised Oh, no, no, that's not that feeling. That's not the feeling of hope that's barely um, and the reason why we're here in this room in Newcastle is because it's important because ironically, when it comes to climate justice in Newcastle, you're at the coalface. Yeah. I was waiting for that one. Yep. Now we're gonna be talking a little bit more about the upper hunter election by by election a little later on. Now, the media was saying how labour was distraught to lose the upper hunter seat seat they haven't held in about 100 years. That's like saying, I'm distraught. I'm not an NBA player who can fly. Like labour, we're never going to win because labour forgot to stand for something. Now, the rest of the hunter, of course, is about to be turned into a fracking mess with more pipes coming out of it than Ben cousins. And much like, much like a liberal minister at a camera bar that guest live recovery is going to come upon us whether we want to or not. So I can't.

Lewis Hobba  6:19  
Honestly, it's quite shocking to me how few of you have heard this podcast. I really like yeah, it's not gonna get better. I really need you to prepare yourself for an hour that

Dan Ilic  6:35  
did say on the poster, an hour of jokes about the C word. Anyway,

Kirsten Drysdale  6:40  
I've got to say when I was coming in a lady walk past and she like, pushed her restaurant booking back because she said, I've just walked past the Playhouse and there's a nice play on. I think I'm gonna go and see it. Sorry, lady.

Dan Ilic  6:54  
Anyway, I think we're losing the battle when it comes to communicating about climate change. And I think we, I think because we're communicating badly. We're up against the carbon lobby when it comes to climate denialism. They have developed one of the most sophisticated weapons ever made boomers on Facebook that print names and put them in local shops. Now, this is the number one threat to climate change everywhere in this country. The environment doesn't stand a chance. On our side, we've had NASA the CSI arrived, David Attenborough and Avatar. And quite frankly, we can't compete with Microsoft Word Art. Look at that. These photos I'm showing you from a recent trip through country New South Wales, for the people on the podcast. This is a Henry Lawson poem about a bushfire and in curly Microsoft Word out above it says someone forgot to tell Henry Lawson in 1911. It was all caused by climate change. And you know what? They're absolutely right, because the first mention of climate change in an Australian newspaper wasn't until 1912 a whole 12 months after in the Sydney Evening News. Now Can anyone guess the number one font for climate deniers in New South Wales? Can anyone guess? Comic Sans Comic Sans very good. Excellent. Very good now Yeah, she's head of the group. Have a look at this one here. This one is a petition to stop a solar farm in both red and blue text, you know, trying to get some labour and liberal voters getting some bipartisanship here. Notice no green text on this one. I thought that was good. All right. Here's another one. This is from an A new farm a gift shop. It says that in 1939 there was a big bushfire that they called Black Friday, which is enough for this person to be convinced that the government was lying to us all about climate change because of bushfire happened once about 100 years ago. Now, the majority of it is in climate change. But as you can see here, they've mixed it up with some Tahoma and some full time use rotten Times New Roman as well, but they have reserved some Comic Sans for some particular words including ignorance and climate counts. Now the author did get a bit biblical towards the end ditching the Comic Sans and instead going for all caps. James is someone who's had some religion in the in their life. Could you please read out the the all caps as the author intended,

James Pender  9:19  
and yet today we are being told by our leaders that this is the new normal.

Unknown Speaker  9:26  
This time is right now we have been brainwashed into believing that the gospel of the new religion is cluttered.

Georgina Woods  9:36  
I have had the opposite experience though Dan of handing out flyers about climate change and saying to people, this is where the water is coming to the water is coming. The water is coming and feeling very much.

Dan Ilic  9:46  
It's a very biblical down there to build a boat. I love this man. In the bottom it says only this time it has a new and new and dangerous name and a global religion but behind it, the altar has been built, and our gullibility is about to be offered upon it. And then they've gone and undercut their entire argument by putting a Bible quote underneath. We says, none of the wicked shall understand, but the wives shall understand. And I don't understand why finally this The other thing you're gonna see around regional New South Wales here is Alan Jones articles. I call them articles but they actually are pids because you're not allowed to call them journalism because they don't have any facts. And so you're gonna see plenty of this around regional New South Wales. Also, here's another old favourite for people who can squint they put up Dorothea Mackellar has sunburned country as if they will, because there was a flood or a fire once and it was indicted. makellos palm. That's argument enough as to the climate change has always been around.

Unknown Speaker  10:51  
How come they don't do that thing we all used to do in primary school where you like put a tea bag over the paper and make it look lighter up to the edges.

Dan Ilic  10:59  
This one looks like the irony is I think this one's been up there. Like through 10 bushfires. It's, it's very faded. So what do we do about it? Well, friends, I've got a couple of things tonight to share with you. I've rewritten Dorothy makellos sunburnt country and and I've printed it out in Comic Sans. And I'm going to read it out to you now. And some of you will be able to take a copy of this home. I love a sunburn country. Not one of constantly ablaze with weather anomalies increasing to our scientists amaze. I love a sunburn country. Oh shit. It's on fire again. We put it out last answer send back the water cry. I love a sunburn country with once in 100 year floods now occurring monthly, we're neck deep in that they're getting bigger and more often these climate change events Sky News can go fuck itself. They're larger and more frequent. Are we corrupt? Like she fuckery County limp leaders need to accelerate just transition rather than holding on to power to boost their superannuation attenuation. So go out and tell your friends that life as we know it is fact unless we ditch our fossil fuels this lucky country's adult.

Unknown Speaker  12:14  
And there is one more thing I've made for you. And that is, this is like you've moved the end of Oprah to the start.

Dan Ilic  12:22  
Well, Yo, I gotta get my shit out of the way. I've made a fake op ed, here it is. Look at this. This is a fake Alan Jones op ed. He's basically repenting.

Alan Jones  12:34  
I'm about to do something that I've only ever done once before. I'm about to admit that I'm wrong. The only other time I've done this is when I declared the chest was the best musical to come out of the brain of Tim Rice. And we all know that's wrong. It's jesus christ superstar incontrovertibly so. The I was wrong about chess as either they have this. Here we go. For a very long time. I used to think that climate change wasn't real. I used to think that like an ethnically 2021 Christmas album, it just wasn't happening. I used to think that the fossil fuel companies and funded my show were on struggle straight and doing it tough. And those on the land were begging for handouts, and so called compensation because their farm is now open pit mine were a bunch of winners who took two sucking off the teat of the working man if I can use that expression. But much like the 2001 Wallabies back end as evolved. And I know this is not to be true. It's wrong. If I could put all of my previous climate change denialism in a chat bag and throw that to say I would, but that's wrong, too. And we get stuck around a dolphin's neck and they die for watch, trying to unravel a bag of bad opinions to shape discourse and policy in an attire for an entire country. One metaphor

Dan Ilic  13:44  
the revelation came to me when an parlane bow valine chose to go to new direction for marketing and no longer sponsor my TV show. It was in renewable energy giant national solar energy group stepped in with the help of their money, it became clearer than ever that humans were causing climate change. It's clear that we need to stop all additions of alien life and electrify everything with national solar energy grids renewable energy, it's clear we need to draw down emissions as fast as we can. It's also clear that this government needs to prevent me from being such a powerful position to influence policymakers in this country. Instead of paying billions for fossil fuel subsidies that are killing the planet. The Defence department should build a time machine that will allow a cold blooded assassin like that will build been Robert Smith on lightning huge to go back in time and strangle me to death with a big strong athletic hands before I endorse Tony Abbott as prime minister. If we can do that, then we just bought save the planet. And if we can't do that, take an insurance italiaanse in order to protect your home and contents insurance. For the worst his mother died she can throw your wife Allianz peace of mind when Mother Nature is on a period. Mother Nature The only other woman worse than Julia Gilad on Ellen Jones

Thanks very much everyone, and you can take a copy of that home with you. If there's any left outside as you leave, but if you register on the website, you'll get a free one as well in next week's email. All right, alright. Ladies and gentlemen dealing rational fear. Fear is rational. Alright.

Dylan Behan  15:33  
Alright, DJ diabolical se with some wacky clips. Let's get the show on the road. It's great to be here in Newcastle. Now I don't know if any of you heard but there was a thing called a byelection on here recently. Has anyone anyone heard about this? Anyone know about this? Anyone? like hearing about the by election? But actually, I didn't think it was a by election because according to john barilaro, it was actually a horse race when we weren't just in the race. We've led over why like a good bloody racehorse.

Unknown Speaker  16:04  
Now's not the time to change, change the jockey mid rise. You can't just replace the jockey The horse is broken.

Unknown Speaker  16:11  
What the hell does that mean? What the hell jumbo? is john barrel IRA just wishing he was at the rice track, instead of on the campaign trail? Or is his brain only capable of holding like a single metaphor and he literally compares everything to a horse race? Like what does he do when he goes to his kids swimming Carnival? Well, Billy may the best horse win. But Dad, I mean, you're human son, not to me. You are. Yes, but if you haven't heard nationals candidate, David lizelle was out on the on the upper Hunter was right. And being the electorate talked on my research. I read that it's the electorate with the highest proportion employed in mining in all of New South Wales, which meant that john barilaro steady state nationals leader made sure to remind us during the campaign, just how much he and his party support call.

Unknown Speaker  17:10  
The results minister I've actually had more mines approved in the two years since taking on the portfolio. Our track record is supporting coal, a berejiklian barrel era government and liberal National Coalition I'll use the word calling that one thing to say behind

Unknown Speaker  17:31  
powering your economy. Yes, that is literally a glue a grown man yelling at a coal train like is a four year old total opportunity he just saw Thomas the Tank Engine.

Unknown Speaker  17:47  
black suit makes me cough ups not that yes, the Nationals love coal. This is the message they wanted us all to take away the Nationals love cold. I love cold so much that being a video editor I put together a little montage of how much the Nationals love and support coal and coal miners into the future let's let's see how much they love.

Unknown Speaker  18:11  
New South Wales deputy premier john barilaro has called for national referendum or plebiscite on nuclear energy john barrel Laura has long championed the benefits of nuclear power, mining and nuclear energy is should be part of Australia's economic future that low energy future

Unknown Speaker  18:27  
The only political part of the sickens head up on this issue is the National Party. National senators earlier this year in Canberra drafted legislation allowing the Clean Energy Finance Corporation to invest in nuclear power. And the man who chairs today's nuclear parliamentarian roundtable was the Nationals MP Barnaby Joyce, if you seriously

Unknown Speaker  18:48  
want zero emissions, if that's what knocks you out. If that's what blows your hair back. Well, then nuclear path is where you're gonna have to go and we should start looking at nuclear. Do you think within 20 years they'll be modular nuclear reactors in Australia? I think it's a very good chance that

Unknown Speaker  19:02  
it is a cheap, reliable source of energy national parties 100% behind this and we hope our coalition partners will follow us.

Unknown Speaker  19:10  
Yeah, that coal miners the National Party is 100% behind nuclear. Bobby a good time to go down to the TAFE and learn how to mine uranium if you can find a type that hasn't been sold off at a loss. Yes, that's our deputy federal nationals later Bridget McKenzie there at the end saying how much she loves nuclear. And one of the reasons she said she loves to clutter is it's so much so much better than all those pesky windmills, have a look.

Unknown Speaker  19:35  
If you put some nuclear power into this mix, we'd be losing a tiny percentage of the landmass that's currently on the wind farms. And we'd be able to use that for farming and a whole lot of other industries as well.

Unknown Speaker  19:48  
You hear that the deputy leader of the roll party the Nationals, I don't think she's ever seen a shape paddock full of wind turbines before in her entire life. Also, Bridget I don't think you'll I think you'll find sheep crazy is wanting to put nuclear actors out in a backpack or on a rooftop. And also, Matt Canavan, who is in that story is in the montage before he reckons nuclear is really safe to those dangerous renewables.

Unknown Speaker  20:13  
Overall, nuclear has been an incredibly safe technology. People die installing solar panels on roofs. The greatest energy accidents in the world have always involved petrochemicals which are inherently volatile, and we're talking about getting hydrogen root which is a very flammable and dangerous chemical.

Unknown Speaker  20:31  
Yeah, last I checked, there's no HBO miniseries about people installing solar panels on roofs. And speaking of hydrogen, which he mentioned there at the end, hydrogen has also been in the news a lot lately, Scott Morrison has made it his new favourite technological buzzword for when he gets cornered by the rest of the world into talking about how we're going to have to get to net zero as you know, eventually, eventually, eventually don't I won't say windows please, please stop asking. In fact, Stormer loves hydrogen so much. He was he was name dropping out repeatedly back in April, in the days around joe biden's virtual climate day summit Have a look. Our ambition is to produce the cheapest green hydrogen in the world,

Unknown Speaker  21:14  
that one of the most important targets that Australia has, is to be able to produce hydrogen at $2 a kilo. Mr. President in the United States, you have the Silicon Valley. Here in Australia, we are creating our own hydrogen ballots. And when it comes to the hydrogen valleys we can be developing all across the country.

Unknown Speaker  21:36  
Yes, hydrogen Valley's also the name of the worst timing polar album. So it's comparison is having a bromance with hydrogen. Why? Well, you'll be surprised to learn that it's because our government is arguing that hydrogen made using coal and gas can still be cold clay in hydrogen, aka blue hydrogen, because you know, we'll just use carbon capture to turn it clean, I guess. It's totally a real thing. Carbon Capture works. Change the subject, speaking, speaking in which he is his Angus Taylor, on trying to argue blue hydrogen is clean hydrogen to a friend Kelly on ahran breakfast in April and Well, it sounds like he was going a bit blue in the

Unknown Speaker  22:17  
face. And you've announced this week. $540 million for new hydrogen hubs and carbon capture and storage at the hydrogen hubs. A lot of people have been asking hear me here on this programme is a green hydrogen or hydrogen made with fossil fuels?

Unknown Speaker  22:31  
It's clean hydrogen, what's that? That's the point. It's clean hydrogen.

Unknown Speaker  22:35  
So it's not made by the fossil fuel industry. So I'm not declaring why I'm asking it wasn't made with fossil fuels are made with renewable energy.

Unknown Speaker  22:42  
The point that may make when they're asking that question is we can't possibly make anything from fossil fuels. Well, you know what, if it's zero emissions, it's fine. That's the point. It's got to be clean. fuels and how do we make it zero emissions? It will be made with anything that allows us to reduce emissions is blue. Hydrogen that can be done with zero emissions is green hydrogen, it can be done with zero emissions. You know, we made a lot of horses in this race.

Unknown Speaker  23:10  
Horses again, get some new metaphors. Oh my God. That interview was such a cluster shambles. Angus Taylor went on Facebook and commented bad job Angus. Of course, one of the reasons in fact, probably the real reason that Scott Morrison loves hydrogen so much is well it can keep his millionaire mining mate magnate mates rich and we can keep digging up coal for another 50 years. But also it can make trucks got burned.

Unknown Speaker  23:38  
I mean, hydrogen can be used to drive vehicles. I mean, up there in the Pilbara at the moment. They're putting him in the mining trucks. Yeah, let's

Unknown Speaker  23:45  
put let's put hydrogen flammable hydrogen in vehicles because it works. So well. Last time, Dan, play the clip. go well. In conclusion, if you're saying well, who cares? We're doing the best we can we can't do any more than to get to zero emissions and help stop climate change in this country. But let's just let's just let's just look over the ditch to New Zealand and see what just didn't return promised at the Earth Day summit back

Unknown Speaker  24:16  
in April. No fossil fuel subsidies part of New Zealand's four action points one price carbon to make climate related financial disclosures, mandatory three in fossil fuel subsidies and for finance adaptation.

Dan Ilic  24:36  
And that's how you win a bloody horse race. Yeah. rational. Your fear is rational. It's kind of a theme throughout irrational fear and the greatest moral podcast of our generation where you have all this technical technobabble and it comes down to something so simple, how good is to send data so good, man? Well, yeah.

Lewis Hobba  24:58  
I want some New Zealand has all those people falling off their solar panelled roofs. Well who'll be laughing then actually eating her words? Yeah.

Dan Ilic  25:07  
Now, George, you out Newcastle local here. What was the most interesting thing to come out of the upper hunter byelection for you?

Unknown Speaker  25:19  
Well, I have a slightly different take from Dylan I suppose because there was a lot of you know, headlining about coal. But in actual fact, what the National Party did during that election campaign was cancelled. The coal mine that was proposed and proved on the Liverpool Plains promised they'd never be any open cut coal mining at dark rock near Aberdeen, promised to set up an expert panel that would manage the structural adjustment of the region. You know, in the event of coals, coal exports declined and invite unions and community advocates to take part in deciding how that rolls out. And we won the by election, and then the Labour Party subsequently just tear itself completely to pieces because they didn't think that they were protocol enough during the election campaign.

Dan Ilic  26:00  
Wow. Did people have the upper hand to think that we're voting for the greens?

Unknown Speaker  26:05  
Well, I think it's fair to say that if the Labour Party had done the series of things that the National Party did, you know, to curtail the mining industry and plan for structural adjustment. The reaction I think in this sort of tabloid press probably would have been slightly different that they they get a different sort of treatment on it.

Lewis Hobba  26:21  
So were you a member of lock the gate who would vote national

Unknown Speaker  26:26  
there are many people in the lock the gate movement who vote nationally in fact, I've spoken to farmers who have you know, locked on against a resource extraction projects who also hand out how to vote cards for the National Party and find it harder find it harder to you know, to change that than they do to go and get arrested fighting mining projects.

Lewis Hobba  26:47  
Yeah, right. Right. I mean, I guess based on that election Yeah, they're absolutely spot on in situ on the stock mining boat national. That makes complete sense.

Dan Ilic  26:57  
Ladies and gentlemen, James panda. Hello. Diane

Unknown Speaker  27:04  
says as Dylan just said, the National hunter byelection and as john Boyle our I said the nationals are back baby, and he's rider guests. But when you've been in power in the upper hand for the last 90 years, it's fair to say you're not only back if you've never gone away, have you to be clean labour last were empowering the upper hunter in 1931. And in 1931, the Labour Party still referred to itself as a Communist Party. Hitler was an unknown artist from Austria. Andrew Boldt hadn't been invented yet so while the loss for labour in the recent byelection as we've already said was a bit unexpected. I've got some ideas to help out labour in the hunter. So I'm going to go through 10 things that can help labour when in the hunter number one way more vests. Nothing says vote for me for 90 consecutive he is like a smart vest. I reckon. JOHN barrel already knows it and that fighter, so I just tie flies. Look at them. This is one PC getting shit done in your electorate. Where is this open neck shirt so you can buy from labour candidate Jeff Drayton says I'm busy appearing before I care. The electorate says no. Number two more jobs brothers are rockin nothing screams success like the John's brothers together they oversaw the most successful era in rugby league Andruw Jones famous for taking so many pictures that became a rugby league and multiple was Matthew Jones is famous for his rich Reagan character who continually called for the game to bring back the beef. I think now labour needs to harness their talents. Imagine Joey Jones on the dealings handing out how to vote cards. going door to door imagine rage Reagan advocating for return to call labour values. Like labour legend Ben chifley in his evocatively titled stump speech, bring back the chief. Perhaps short or long bow there but let's just say John's brothers and labour ladies and gentlemen unstoppable. Number three branch sacking labour needs to get serious about the brand stalking. They can't just keep hoping people will vote for them. They need to start breeding labour voters. Luckily, one thing we do know is that jobs fact the way through Newcastle in the 1990s, which means there's a whole lot of elite illegitimate children out there and given most of the routes probably happened post a 97 Premiership those kids are at voting age. So let's sign them up for Labour baby. Idea number four build a beat something every week Cody in Australia has a big something What does the hunter have other than big unemployment and a big problem with institutional child abuse? to sin if library to when they need to promise to build something big, not that. No, not a gas fired power station. We're in Newcastle. What about a big nuke? Just point the nuclear bomb mccampbell and Mikey demands or using to get rid of Gosford idea number five, get rid of Gosford let's be honest go city's a shithole odroid for anyone to get rid of gossip. I don't care how All I know is do we really need Gosford? The Central Coast Mariners and the bluetongue beanfactory are not reasons to keep a town are the number six sign over kastri and more labour candidates need to be seen saying the word Nova kastri and I don't know how the fuck that means Newcastle person, but it's a cool word. Number seven embrace the ban on a serious note ladies and gentlemen labour needs to embrace the ban on everyone's lips. Okay, and now I don't mean the ban on coal fired power station. I mean the ban on any further albums that involve Daniel Jones and Luke Steele in their co lab drains drains more like nightmares. Am I right? I am right okay.

Unknown Speaker  31:00  
Adi number nine is a little bit easy. I'm running out of ideas at this point. If Should we get a minister for Semyon if Joe Fitzgibbons can lead the Labour Party to a new generation of glory? We need some less divisive portfolio making them in a surface me on swap the call for a cask of wine, then at least the inner city sir Chardonnay drinkers might actually listen to what he has to say. ID number 10. Ladies and gentlemen, keep doing the same thing later persist with a pro renewable pro climate change platform while failing to sell the benefits of a renewable economy to the workers in the fossil fuel sector. Sure, this strategy is probably not going to work. But the genius of this plan is if they commit to losing long enough sea levels will rise and wipe out the entire hunter region. So that labour can start with the remaining voting population that will probably believe in climate change because they will have seen it wipe out their whole family. And if we're lucky, there'll be some survivors from the descendants of Jeremy jobs and they'll lead the Knights to a Premiership again. Newcastle wins the hunter wins and most importantly, labour winds stickier

Dan Ilic  32:14  
than other Katherine's on our panel, do any of those inspire you to vote labour Minister for simians great idea? Absolutely. put myself forward.

Lewis Hobba  32:25  
Yeah, as a as a visitor. What's wrong with Gosford? Yeah, what

Dan Ilic  32:30  
is wrong with gospel? Really? You've never been?

Unknown Speaker  32:35  
He has been to coffee if you drive through Gosford that's

Unknown Speaker  32:39  
it there's a central coast Newcastle thing it's it's you know it's it's a little cousin.

Lewis Hobba  32:45  
Yeah, I fucking hate him. I'm desperate for calls. I'll say anything.

Dan Ilic  32:55  
Now Melvin's recent COVID outbreak has meant that a whole bunch of music festivals have been cancelled, including the replacement for the group in the move, fresh produce, which is real shame because music festivals are where some of our biggest and brightest ideas come to light at these festivals. A few years ago, we did a show at splendour in the grass and we asked some punters there just how they would solve the rift between Israel and Palestine. In the results, were pretty interesting. So I'm asking people for solutions to big problems. How do we fix Israel and Palestine

Unknown Speaker  33:28  
with ketamine? Lots of ketamine. As a matter of fact, I had this discussion. I'm not even fucking joking.

Unknown Speaker  33:36  
On the motherfucking, with the whole world peace to get the United Nations in a room, a lot of the finest ecstasy in the world will be so all the leftover food that isn't even explained to those people

Unknown Speaker  33:52  
just get on MDMA and forget to live a democracy. Or what if I told you that Israel had a terrific democratic government?

Unknown Speaker  33:59  
Well, we all know that's not true because the Ibis group in Washington, what do they call the Ibis group?

Dan Ilic  34:07  
What's your message to Benjamin Netanyahu? I don't know who he is my friend. What's your message of Benjamin Netanyahu? I'll say get brown chicken. Either one way, I'm sorry. But one of them has to be asking people to solve big problems. So I got a question for you. I've got a really big problem. What is it? Red Bull hurts my heart. told me the softball and a brother of how to be broken but there was also some sort of soul drawn on my lips. Now. How do we fix this? He said that they go for several months. Sorry, he wants Israel and Palestine. The two countries they should have splendid. Rufus just pumping 50k system on the fucking gaza strip out It'd be peace lamanites What's your message to Benjamin Netanyahu? Who's to state they use a two state solution for Israel and Palestine and the five state solution. Benjamin, Prime Minister of Israel, you need to dance under the grace and rule 10 and we will just we will look off the old days when is fully the wrong place us?

Lewis Hobba  35:39  
Why do you think that is? pretty fucked?

Dan Ilic  35:51  
I knew we should have opened with Israel gear on Twitter. I'm gonna put that on Twitter, because I'll get cancelled. That's why Yeah, it was on national broadcast that was on SBS at some point and we get so you know, it's on SBS. So no one watch no one you get mobile watching it on Twitter this everyone Kirsten dries down.

Unknown Speaker  36:25  
Hey, guys, so look, I just want to start by checking in with everyone you know, how's your climate anxiety guys? pretty bad. Yeah. Yeah, it sucks. I get it. But try being may try being married to a coal miner. Well, technically, he's a diesel mechanic. But when I'm not letting my cognitive dissonance get the better of me. I call it what it is. He's a diesel mechanic who works on a coal mine, fixing the machines that dig up the call or maintaining the washing plant that sorts the coal or repairing the pump that stops the tailings dam from spilling over and polluting the surrounding waterways with toxic effluent that's a byproduct of digging up coal. My husband's the latest in a long line of miners that stretches back in his family a dozen generations all the way to Cornwall, which is where coal was invented by Captain Cook. That sounds like a lie. And it partly is. But this here is literally a book tracking my husband's quote, ancient mining family name and heritage as far back as the 1500s. It's a great grade. Although if I had known before we got married just how many murders were in the bloodline. I may have reconsidered this union. Anyway, until not so long ago, this was a perfectly honourable way to make a living, fucking kancil culture. The thing is, we're not idiots. We care about the future. We've got two kids who we love very much. Actually, if I'm being totally honest, we've got one kid we like. The other ones a bit like, take it away. My point is, my husband's job causes our family an increasingly intolerable amount of moral anxiety and makes my efforts to live a carbon neutral lifestyle really quite challenging. Put it this way. A return flight from Sydney to Melbourne puts out about 0.2 metric tonnes of carbon. My husband brings about that much carbon home and coal dust each week. Our sheets look like we've had a threesome with a chimney sweep. When you want to carbon offset a flight you literally just tick a box and pay like $2 for me to carbon offset my husband, I'd have to plant a rainforest, build a wind farm and braid predator and birds here every single day for the rest of my life. Like I sign up to 100% green energy, I ride my bike, I marching rallies, I do Earth Hour, but then my husband goes to work and repairs the overheating torque converter on a D 11. Caterpillar bulldozer and I'm back to square one. What can I do? I love the guy. He's understandably hesitant about quitting his job when we've got a mortgage and two small children to look after. And I'm understandably hesitant about encouraging him to when I'm about to go back to uni because working in the media has hardly made me a reliable breadwinner. Most of my work these days is doing most of my work these days is doing unpaid guest spots on my friend's port. You're getting paid

Lewis Hobba  39:22  
for this. The applause some of them haven't heard of.

Dan Ilic  39:30  
I mean, up until yesterday, I thought there's only going to be 40 of you were born. I'm so relieved. Now you're definitely getting paid a profit.

Unknown Speaker  39:37  
Look, as soon as something comes up that he can jump to he will. In the meantime, I just have to do whatever I can to offset the damage. I've had some success. When we first started dating my husband drove a VA Commodore ute. I was like, dude, I work at the ABC. You can't drop me off in that thing. They'll think it's a terrorist attack. So we traded it in for Much less thirsty VW Golf. Sure it was emasculating to go from driving a high octane petrol Australian musclecar to a diesel German hatchback, but it was worth it knowing the pollution wasn't anywhere near as bad.

Unknown Speaker  40:17  
Then the Volkswagen emissions cheating scandal broke. And we realised he'd cocked himself for nothing. Well, not for nothing by cover story that I was dating a dental technician from the Central Coast held up a lot longer than it would have otherwise. And look, I've had other ideas. You know, I thought we could set up a GoFundMe page to support him while he re skills. But then I realised it's only socially acceptable to ask your friends for money to fund your overseas holidays, and not to help you leave an industry that's destroying the planet. Okay, then I thought, okay, like pivot pivot. What about sex work? Like for him? Not me. Know, there must be people out there who are into sort smeared. 42 year old men operating heavy machinery, you know, like, no king gets shamed these days. But then his only fans account got shut down because it just looked like he was doing horny blackface. And then I thought, and look, I know this might sound a bit crazy, but just stick with me for a moment. What if the government took some of the money from the massive profits mining companies of my digging up the nation's natural resources, and used it to help retrain the workers in those industries so that ordinary people stuck in these jobs could move on to something new, ideally, something that didn't require them to have chest x rays every two years to screen for black lung, which is not just a joke in Zoo lambda. It's a real thing. But then I remembered we are currently ruled by mouth breathing troglodytes, who would rather return to harvesting whale blubber than admit that maybe just maybe in the year 2021, one of the wealthiest and most highly educated countries in the world could find something a little bit smarter to do than digging up rocks, especially when the mining companies are going to cut and run the moment called becomes economically unviable. Which should be any second now. So anyway, having run out of options, I'm left with no choice, Chris, honey, I love you. But the only way I can truly offset you is to offset you probably shouldn't have ended. But that was the

Lewis Hobba  42:39  
that was the saddest ending to a comedy bit.

Dan Ilic  42:41  
I want you to know 23 cents of each ticket is going to go to carbon offsetting. Chris tonight, so thank you for that. Do you have general club? I know that's a facetious pace for this show. But is there a Is there a serious anxiety about about this?

Unknown Speaker  42:58  
Yeah, absolutely. Like it like everybody gets that kind of moment. Probably every day where you go. Who's gonna end and like for us? It's very, very, very close to home. Yeah, yeah.

Lewis Hobba  43:09  
I mean, I remember when you started dating your now husband, and you and I were working together in Maharashtra, the IBC. And I remember when you told you like, I was a coal miner. We were all like, oil. Well, well, you were you were a heroin junkie. Yeah, it was fun. Everyone was like, get him to her to a needle room. I'm like, absolutely. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  43:36  
I mean, I've also been to your house and you've got a lot of nice stuff. So there's like, why am I doing working at ABC?

Unknown Speaker  43:44  
It's also like yeah, they call it the golden handcuffs because it's you know, it's not like it's a poorly paid job and it but it is hard to jump away from something when you don't have something to jump to like, you know, we're having to take a pay cut, but there's got to be something to go to.

Dan Ilic  43:59  
Is that what you think about working with ABC? Do you have golden handcuffs are

Lewis Hobba  44:03  
those plastic handcuffs from a toy shop? They're very cheap. And they're they're actually quite easy to break, zip ties and you all love where you're also like, No, do me. All right, Lee.

Dan Ilic  44:17  
I won't yuck. Your next guest has been trying to get people to move to a just transition to a Fossil Free future for the last 15 years. So it's safe to say she's a little tired. So please welcome Gina woods.

Gina, thank you so much for risking it and coming in sit on a panel of comedians and smart asses to talk about climate justice. It's really wonderful. First of all, you you describe yourself as a hypocrite and a failure. But isn't it in your interest that no one moves from fossil fuels so you can keep your job

Unknown Speaker  44:58  
It's very true. I have I do think about that. And I, it's, it's a hit, I'm willing to take, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make go on to the doll queue become unemployed. If we could actually do this,

Dan Ilic  45:11  
what do you call yourself a hypocrite and a failure? Like, why is that hard to identify every day getting up and look yourself in the mirror?

Unknown Speaker  45:19  
Well, I guess it's kind of hard, but failure because I have have literally been in, you know, strategy meetings, and you know, this sort of talking to other environmentalists and kind of going, like I've been working on, you know, calling the hunter and climate change for 20 years. Like, that's still a really, really big problem, you know, it hasn't really gotten that far in all that time. So that's, that's why failure and hypocrite is really something that the that kind of ends, you know, of the world like to talk around and environmentalists because we use computers and we, you know, might drive cars and because we are all, you know, entangled in this, it's, it's, you know, we're not on the other side, we're not not part of this society. Kirsten knows it really well, like, and I think this these are so brilliant, really to illustrate that. It's not like an s&m thing, coal miners aren't aliens. People use stuff that uses fossil fuels. And I am one of them. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  46:15  
Are you going out with a coal miner as well? No, but you know, I'm not ruling it out. Well, tonight, we have a lonely coal miner in the audio come on down. activist once a husband, it's a new TV show. Coming to SBS to you can have full custody of the Doug kit that you guys didn't have that. I'm just an activist standing in front of a coal miner. When we spoke earlier this week, you said I get it. You want me to explain the weirdness in the hunter. When you say that, like what is the weirdness in the hunter?

Unknown Speaker  46:53  
Well, I mean, I suppose the weirdness really is this sort of exaggerated idea that people have about what it's all about. And it's sort of people from the outside the raging? Go, it's a moonscape, you know, which is kind of puts the nose out of joint to the vignerons and you know, people who kind of, you know, a farmers and tourist industry, because actually, it's very, very beautiful place. It's not a moonscape at all, and it's much

Lewis Hobba  47:14  
better the Gosford stay down, Gosford,

Unknown Speaker  47:19  
and you know, there's others who say the mining industry is not important at all, you know, it only employs 2% of people around the country. But in actual fact, that's a really, really large amount of people here who rely on it for their livelihoods. And that's, that's real. And so that's the weirdness is just sort of competing kind of sweeping statements about what it's all about,

Dan Ilic  47:37  
do you have faith that there's going to be what we all hope for, which is a just transition and a fast transition in the next few years.

Unknown Speaker  47:47  
I wouldn't describe it as faith. I mean, I'm very excited by some of the stuff going on now part of the 100 jobs Alliance, which is a sort of collaboration of environmentalists and unions to try and just sort of break this taboo of talking about what the region is going to do once the coal export industry declines. And that has really changed things a lot. So I'm excited, rather than kind of hopeful or faithful, I

Unknown Speaker  48:09  
suppose.

Dan Ilic  48:10  
When you're going by toe to toe on your, on your battles on the ground? How do you kind of keep an eye on the big picture? Like you're in this podcast, rational fear, we talk to a lot of climate leaders who are all focused on the macro, but you're very much someone who is now in the trenches in the pits for one for a better word, like, how do you kind of keep that eye that vision of the of the major goal whilst you're whilst you're going toe to toe with people here?

Unknown Speaker  48:39  
I mean, that's pretty tricky. I guess. Like don't, because the big picture is really awful. And you can't really, you know, this is a comedy show. So apologies for bring down the tone. But

Lewis Hobba  48:51  
Kirsten already talked about a divorce. So we're at rock bottom.

Unknown Speaker  48:56  
Yeah, I mean, you just have to do what's in front of you. And, you know, I actually try not to read stuff about climate change much anymore, or watch the films and all that stuff. I don't, I don't engage. I just,

Dan Ilic  49:05  
I just do what's in front of me. There's something to be said for the language that's wrapped around climate change, like, a lot of it is of the station and full of jargon. And but is the reality? Is there a simpler reality behind all of these huge words? Like we've got so many layers of bureaucracy, all talking about climate change, but we're talking about it in this crazy language that you never heard of before?

Unknown Speaker  49:34  
Yeah, I mean, there is the reality. And I think one of the things that really fucks us up on this is that we've got this sort of really quite primary straightforward problems of rivers drying up and, you know, huge storms and big holes in the ground with no plans to fill them and you know, a huge workforce, very well paid jobs, not quite sure where they're gonna go in 20 years time, but it's all kind of obfuscated and clouded into this sort of language. have, you know the voluntary land mitigation access policy and approved methods for assessing air pollution and an American submission on this new period of public hearing? Yeah, so it's like, my job is like explaining the government to people and trying to sort of bridge that gap to say, well, when they say, you know, strategic release framework, what they mean is, they're going to be putting out new areas for coal exploration, you know, out west,

Dan Ilic  50:23  
I like it was James said, He's switching off because he negotiated the TPP and has worked in The Hague. Like, now, I've got PTSD. So and how do you cut through that bureaucratic jargon to kind of make a simpler case like there's a simpler, there's a simpler world out there that many of us want to understand want to be part of. So how do you make that case?

Unknown Speaker  50:47  
Yeah, I mean, I think you always have to bring and this is what I'm saying about the big picture, you have to bring it back to things that people understand and they see right in front of them. And that's why, you know, what matters to people in the hunter is the the pollution in the air and the effect that the industry has on the river and the dislocation of rural villages. And that's really immediately what people are seeing. And that's and that's where their hearts lie.

Unknown Speaker  51:09  
in researching for this gig actually saw that the sea wall fell over in Newcastle. Is that to do with mining, or is it

Dan Ilic  51:18  
the same old same? Oh, the Stockton Yeah, dude. Yeah, it's really well, there was a coal mine right on the beach at Stockton. unrelated to the, to the erosion that's happening.

Lewis Hobba  51:31  
Wow. Breaking News, irrational fear Saturday night.

Dan Ilic  51:36  
George fuses? Do you have a sense of hope to keep you going? Like, what what drives you to keep working in this space?

Unknown Speaker  51:45  
Uh, well, I mean, I, there's a lot of people who live with the impacts of mining who I have worked with, you know, for all the time I've been would love the gate, which is eight years or so. And they, you know, they have no choice. They kind of stuck there. And I owe it to them to continue being being there for them, essentially. And, you know, it's, it's, it's really, it's wonderful work. It doesn't. It's very, very rewarding.

Lewis Hobba  52:10  
That's all I could say, tragically, you probably have a longer career than coal miners. Oh, God. Yeah. Sorry, Kirsten. Sorry. Yeah, that's good. It's actually good news. And we just want to be forced to become unemployed. You know, we don't want to volunteer and come unemployed together. And we'll just solve the whole problem by everybody

Unknown Speaker  52:30  
becoming unemployed, universal, basic income. Now, I actually wanted to ask George, because I have done a few events with George in Newcastle, and I find you don't want to embarrass you, but I find it incredibly inspiring, but also incredibly intimidating and terrifying. And I would never, ever fuck with you. And like, bit like you would have been involved in some really like heated confrontations at some of the like actions that you've been had? And are you ever scared when people are really in your face? Or do you just like really get off on that?

Unknown Speaker  53:04  
At protest actions, I don't tend to get scared. No, I kind of get scared before. And then after. And then when you're there. It's just it just all flows like you're just in the moment? And have you ever been in a situation where you've actually felt like you're actually physically in danger? like someone's going to hit you or anything like that? No, I'm now have, I have been in situations where that's happening to somebody very close by. And actually, that was a forest protest. And a very dear friend of mine put his body in the way of the axe that was chopping down the tripod that my friend was sitting at the top of, which was, you know, see what i'm saying, man? It wasn't me. I was just a witness. But um, yeah, I mean, it is, I guess, it's protesting is a way to bring to the surface a lot of these contradictions and challenges and so it doesn't really provide any answers. It's just about questioning. It's just about bringing things right up close with people and going well, is this actually a good idea?

Unknown Speaker  54:00  
And what about when you're in the room with people, you know, politicians or people from mining companies, you know, really high powered high profile people? Do you ever find yourself intimidated? Do you intimidate them?

Unknown Speaker  54:13  
I don't know. I might. What am I good. If you want to hear this story, one of my best stories from last year, which was a difficult year for many people was having a stand up argument with Stephen galley, the head of the minerals Council in New South Wales in New South Wales parliament. And it was because he sort of walked casually past man sort of said hello, Georgina, and I just sort of, you know, I don't want to talk to you Is that a thing and and he had to go at me for not being nice to him and and I just lost it. I was gonna say this on tape. This is just for all of you. I was just sort of like, Is this just a job for you like this isn't just a job for me. I'm not just going to clock in and clock off and say, get a Steve you know, great to see you. This is actually life, you know, life affecting stuff for people that I work with, and I can't just put it all aside and, and pretend like I'm just a professional, so not a politician.

Dan Ilic  55:12  
Well, George, if you ever get stuck, you could probably always just become Chair of Newcastle University. Chancellor, Chancellor. I'm hoping that posts will reopen again quite soon. Everyone Georgina woods.

Lewis Hobba  55:41  
Try standing up is this it's something that I was just saying to Dan, when we got in here. I've never done comedy up before.

Dan Ilic  55:48  
really unusual. It's an unusual situation. James James also said that and I maintain it's because you're the two tallest people

Lewis Hobba  55:55  
look up at anyone. I feel like a small town lawyer out of there. It's always fun to try to pivot out of climate action back into comedy. So stick with me. I want to talk not about the climate, but about the vaccines. Another big topic. All right. Yeah. One more applause Hello. All right. All right. I don't know if you've heard but the COVID vaccine rollout is going very badly. Right now Scott Morrison couldn't organise a syringe on the set of Trainspotting. By the end of March, he planned to have 4 million people vaccinated and they just missed that target by 3.4 million. This week, the government revealed that hadn't vaccinated aged care workers and they didn't even know how many aged care residents had started getting shots as anyone who had been vaccinated just by asking that question, I know more than the government about vaccine rollout. But in times of crisis, I think it's very important to take the government's lead and instead of looking at what we can do, start looking at who we can blame. Let's start with the labour leaders. We all know Dan Andrews is crawling out of his hospital bed at night, throwing away his fake back brace and creeping out to sprinkle COVID under the beds of Melbourne's children. The media are obviously also to blame. Health Minister Greg hunt got very angry at the media for saying that all the people who were nervous about getting the AstraZeneca vaccine could wait until the Pfizer arrived. He said the media were promoting vaccine hesitancy the media were directly quoting Greg hunt. And that really Paul's pissed off Greg hunt, who is a Greg hunt.

The government is also very angry at boomers who have developed this vaccine hesitancy for those following at home. Yes, this is the same vaccine hesitancy the government refused to stop Craig Kelly doing. Craig Kelly fans, what the fuck? Are we in silence?

Dan Ilic  58:32  
Big queuing on Viber?

Lewis Hobba  58:35  
Oh, interesting. Okay, let's explore that as we go on. Wow, fuck, I didn't say I've never met somebody like Greg Kelly. It's so crazy. But actually, I think that the vaccine hesitancy problem is actually quite easy to fix because boomers stopped trusting vaccines because they believe anything they read on Facebook. So what I have done is I've prepared some Boomer friendly messaging that you can write on your own Facebook wall at any time to make boomers get their second job quicker than their second home. Yeah, that's right. I know what you own. Well, you know what else you gonna take away from me? Come on. Alright, here we go. Here's the things you can write on your Facebook wall to get famous to take the vaccine. Tell them the vaccine doesn't insert a microchip. It inserts an audio book about Graham Kennedy written by Peter fit Simon. A vaccine is just an extra hot coffee. Tell him it's an iPad. Tell him it's a painting by an indigenous artist. Tell him it's a funny tea towel. Tell him the vaccine is a mountain by tell him the vaccine is a low risk family photo. Tell him it's a podcast with Annabel Crabb. Tell them that vaccine would like to hear a story about an old neighbour who recently died. Tell him the vaccine agrees that the two years of high interest rates in the early 90s was the greatest hardship generated ever five. Tell him it's a BBC drama. Tell him it'll make Netflix easy to use. Tell him it's a carport. Tell him it's a second fridge. Tell them it doesn't use American words like diaper and store. It uses Australian words like nappy and shop.

Now, we all know that would 100% get the vaccine roll out back on track. Weirdly, that is not the approach our Prime Minister is taking. though. You might have heard this news yesterday. He's calling in the army. Yeah. Yesterday he announced in one of his trademark announcements that the new head of the National Vaccine task force would be Lieutenant General john frewin. If caught I don't know who he is either, but he's a Lieutenant General. Head of the army. If calling in the army to fix his problems, sounds extreme. Keep in mind, Scott Morrison loves to play with his army men. When he was the Minister for border protection. He called in the army to stop the boats. Then once the boat once the army had done that, he made himself a little boat shaped trophy, saying I stopped the boats. I don't know if anyone in the army got a trophy. They may have got a small participation boat. Personally, may I love the idea of getting the military to run a vaccination campaign. It's intimidating but fun. Can never quite get a read on what's going on. defence. Craig Kelly not okay with military on the fence. burners. He came around. Applause we all love. I stick with me try to stick with you if I wasn't begging but thank you.

Dan Ilic  1:02:17  
Will you be closing with Gosford

Lewis Hobba  1:02:21  
backless wood carving? So here we go. Now stick with me on this army thing. Okay, because I actually think it's a really good idea, right? I would love to see people's faces. When they look up to see Ben Robert Smith walking through the streets, threatening to kick anyone who won't get the vaccine out the us with a prosthetic leg is caring for some reason. All right. I knew when I asked you to stick with me that I would be losing you and I don't care. Why I stopped with the army. The Air Force involved. I want to say fighter jets dropping syringes into aged care facilities. I want to say retired veterans pull their old rifles out of the closet, toss away their bayonets, a fixer Pfizer and go back on the road john judge will fight the anti vaxxers on the beaches of Byron Bay. We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be, and then we'll blame the cost on Kevin Rudd awesome. Look, I get why Scotty calls up to fans anytime he's on the defensive. People trust the army and they're already on the payroll. But I really think there's another group on the payroll who are being criminally overlooked when it comes to helping the vaccine roll out. These people live in camera in a building paid for by taxpayers. They're getting taxpayer funded training every day. I'm talking about the Australian Institute of Sport. Now. The prime minister said that the vaccine rollout wasn't a race. Well, right now we have hundreds of perfectly trained athletes for an Olympics that probably won't happen. So let's put them to work and make it a race. First of all, no one knows more about experimental drug treatments that test the vaccines on them. They put things in their bodies that would stop our doctors have a locally produced vaccine that prevents COVID and is also untraceable by the anti doping authority. We store them in the call room used to a climatized l winter Olympian. Then we're on to the AI SS gold medal standard vaccine logistics. This is quite a plan. So come on the journey. All right. An Australian weightlifter lifts boxes of vaccines off the shelves then carries them to a javelin thrower, who hurls individual vaccines across the warehouse. 100 metre medley relay team will swim vaccines across the state of Tasmania, while the rest will travel in short shorts of marathon runners as they jump off to remote corners of regional Australia. The syringes passed like a relay baton from the marathon runners to the power walkers if they encounter any anti vaxxers of high jumper will frosty flop over them gracefully. Ah, Rachel Victorian centre will contain PPA from the fencing team, and one Greco Roman wrestler. Their job is to pin down vaccine hesitant burgers while our welterweight boxes strap on latex gloves. And instead of giving a left jab to the face, give an Australian a right jab and using the power of the AI si predicts we can have the nation fully vaccinated by the end of the week. Then all we need is to get Nicky Webster to sing a closing ceremony and get all the athletes back to camera for an athlete village level fuckathon. If Scott Marcy needs any more convincing, I promise when that's all over, and everyone agrees that athletes have done their job perfectly. He can get get a little gold medal that says he did it all himself

Dan Ilic  1:06:18  
but didn't rush up. big thank you to DJ de la koliko Jay senda gusta Drysdale Georgina was

Unknown Speaker  1:06:27  
also a big thank you to Isaac ash and then everyone here at the Civic Theatre in New Castle. Big thanks to Ryan mock the Bertha foundation go YouTube token Jacob brown to the tiffin Yaki, Tom Landry Diogenes, Virginia guy by name.

Dan Ilic  1:06:41  
Until next time, there's always something to be scared of. Good. Hi, Dan Ilic here back again. That was Newcastle. And as you can tell by the end of the show, they were very much on board with what we have to say. And I should let you know if you want any of the things that I was talking about. In my section of the podcast where I do Alan Jones and Dorothy Michela sunburned country. Well, you can download them from the irrational fear newsletter. So go to WWW dot irrational fear.com. Give us your email address, and then we'll send it out, we'll send out the Dorothy Michela in Comic Sans, and the Alan's the fake Alan Jones article you can print off yourself, to put up in your regional shopfront window, we'd love to say that and please, please put it on Twitter or Facebook or email me back a picture of your Alan Jones or Dorothy McKellar, paste it up in the front window of your local shop, we'd love to see that. Before I play the biggest show. I just wanna let you know that we will be coming to Melbourne on August 14. So make sure you put that in your diary. Right now though, here are the best bits of the bigger show.

Now regional Australia How is what is the best way to beat climate denialism or to communicate the real climate facts in regional Australia?

Mick Neven  1:08:07  
I think one of the ways you gotta you got to understand the way people communicate in regional Australia here I think one of those ways is a bumper stickers. And so instead of a lot of bumper stickers, you know, I replaced the fuck off we have full and with fuck off way full of too much carbon. I also

Lewis Hobba  1:08:28  
like put one a tiny little bombas so you could shrink them and put them on each one of the mice that are plaguing us on the back end of every little mouse millions of spreading the message.

Gabbi Bolt  1:08:40  
I think if you're going off like what my regional town where I grew up, how information spread there the most efficient way. town gossip. Like I feel like if you say something like Oh, so and so so and so so and so slept with a solar panel.

Lewis Hobba  1:08:55  
You should tell the hairdresser he fucked us all the time. Don't tell anyone

Gabbi Bolt  1:09:03  
Ciara solar panel. Every single person in the region.

Dan Ilic  1:09:08  
It was the best sex I've ever had. Well, Gabby, you know the people here in the southeast of the continent have suffered pretty horrendous things over the last 18 months. bushfires the promise of the notion recovery fund that hasn't turned up in a city lifting podcasts coming in to do a podcast where you guys have suffered. I'm really sorry. Gabby, is there a bright side to anything that these people have been through?

Gabbi Bolt  1:09:38  
Ah, well, I've brought this Sesame Street Style song. I found one that I think you might like.

Lewis Hobba  1:09:46  
Can you guys hear that out the back? Yeah. Cool. Can

Gabbi Bolt  1:09:50  
I have a little more in the phonebook? We can cut this out of the podcast. Cheers, john. Thanks. Anyway, you might not have Have a million bucks might not have the cats and dogs might even have your shoes and socks squad. At least Scott shook your head might not have a good next step. might not have time to take a breath. might not have any fuckin house left, but at least Scotty. He says Don't you know that I don't hold a hose? Um, no, that's not for me. Unless we're referring to a wall, but it might have promised us some relief. might have said, Hey, whatever you need, and he might pop on over to Hawaii, but he can cuz he shook your hand. Spin solo. I never said that.

Unknown Speaker  1:11:00  
I resent that.

Gabbi Bolt  1:11:02  
But I disagree with the premise of the question. Yeah, it's gone. Well, actually, Jen told me that bushfires are in fact bad. And until she said that to me. And she also said that How would you feel about girls died in a British fire. I really hadn't heard of that in perspective. So I decided to deal with the bushfire crisis by praying we never got another one and I feel way better. Thank you so much, Jen. He gaslights enough to start another fucking fire. I can't believe he's still in after such a failure. I can't believe he even got enough to tourism Australia might not have a fucking clue. My thought for me or you any might spend all this time protecting. But at least Scotty shook he might not possess any empathy might not uphold governing policy and he might not know how to run the fucking country but at least Scottish. The Scottish Well, he tried to that he stole your hand and then lied to you, but he will say he shook your hand.

Unknown Speaker  1:12:26  
Thank you, everyone. Hello, hello. Hello. Yes, I'm the DJ normally. officially known as hobo Paul Shaffer, Dan Ilic. I do run a little podcast called news fighters, where I play funny clips and talk about them and I look we've hung a lot of shit on Scott Morrison tonight. So I just thought I'd keep it going. It's great to be back here in Vegas. I actually grew up on the south coast. Here I am there I am having my fifth birthday at the bega cheese factory. Here right here I am. Here Kubina public school there I am from 1986 What happened?

Lewis Hobba  1:13:08  
Okay, the slideshow going I'm loving

Dan Ilic  1:13:11  
the jugs more about Dylan's childhood. This is a this is actually this is your therapy session.

Unknown Speaker  1:13:19  
And of course look, you know growing up in and around cobargo as I did have to say nothing brought me more pride than watching the news last year. And I saw this happen

Unknown Speaker  1:13:30  
during the fire ravaged town of cobargo. a firefighter refuse to shake the PMS hand. Scott Morrison heckled in cobargo now you know, welcome your Parkway.

Unknown Speaker  1:13:45  
Yeah, Scott Morrison. They're inventing the social distancing lack of afterwards, believe it or not, Scott Morrison refused to believe that this angle was actually directed at him.

Unknown Speaker  1:13:56  
Scott Morrison today says he doesn't take it personally. I don't take it personally. I just see it as a sense of frustration.

Unknown Speaker  1:14:04  
Maybe you should take it personally. Everyone hates you turned up for a photo op in the middle of a catastrophic tragedy. What about the words? You're not welcome here? You fuckwit fuck off my Do you not understand? Anyways, we are we are here to applause there Hang on a second.

Lewis Hobba  1:14:29  
As a religious guy who is also obsessed with shaking hands. I wonder how he feels about the fact that like God immediately after they sent down a plague that prevented him from touching it might have been assigned. Don't touch me. Stop doing it, Scott. Alright, fine. I'll send you a fucking bad plague stop doing

Unknown Speaker  1:14:46  
but we are here to talk about climate change. That's the theme of the theme of tonight. And within an election around the corner Scott Morrison has been out on the world stage in his his heart, his heart to finally answer some annoying questions like when the hell is Australia. gonna commit to net zero emissions? And isn't he nailing it? Our goal

Unknown Speaker  1:15:04  
is to reach net zero emissions as soon as possible. And preferably by 2050. Australia is on the pathway to net zero. Our goal is to get there as soon as we possibly can for Australia, it is not a question of if, or even by when for net zero, but importantly, how

Unknown Speaker  1:15:21  
what a lack of Imagine if you're you have this kind of lack of commitment in your relationship. Honey, we been engaged for 12 years, when are we going to get married? Well, dear, it's not a question of if or when we get married. How about when soon as we possibly can, preferably by 2050. And when it comes to the house, Scott Morrison says, technology is the ticket. The key to meeting our climate change ambitions is commercialization of low emissions technology. My point about this, though, comes back to technology again, as why we're investing in Priority new technology solutions to our technology investment roadmap initiative, the answer is technology, not taxes. Yes, sir. is saying technology, not taxes, great technology, what kind of technology? There's lots of great technology out there. Is he talking about electric vehicles, solar batteries, pumped hydro technology is the coalition talking about let's have a look,

Unknown Speaker  1:16:18  
nuclear energy should be on the table as part of Australia's energy future. It's the finding of a parliamentary committee. The Federal Energy minister Angus Taylor, meanwhile, says the government's more than willing to consider nuclear power. You

Unknown Speaker  1:16:29  
know, I'm being told that Scott Morrison actually supports nuclear power. It's just he knows it's too difficult to sell politically, if you seriously want zero emissions, if that's what knocks you out. If that's what blows your hair back, well, then nuclear power is where you're going to have to go and if

Unknown Speaker  1:16:45  
we are serious and progressing towards net zero emissions, I think it's almost certainly that we'll need to have some form of nuclear power here to try to achieve that.

Unknown Speaker  1:16:54  
Yes, Senator Matt cannon national senator, Matt Canavan there, and he reckons nuclear is really safe. actually have a look.

Unknown Speaker  1:17:01  
I have a role. Nuclear has been an incredibly safe technology. People die installing solar panels on roofs.

Unknown Speaker  1:17:07  
Yes, but I can't remember there being an HBO miniseries about rooftop solar panels. But it's not just nuclear. Don't worry. There's some other technology scammers keen on

Unknown Speaker  1:17:19  
our ambition is to produce the cheapest green hydrogen in the world that one of the most important targets that Australia has, is to be able to produce hydrogen at $2. a kilo is the President in the United States, you have the Silicon Valley. Here in Australia, we are creating our own hydrogen ballots. And when it comes to the hydrogen valleys we can be developing all across the country.

Unknown Speaker  1:17:45  
Yes, hydrogen Valley is coincidentally also the name of the second worst King gizzard and the lizard wizard side project. The reason our government if you're wondering where this sudden obsession with hydrogen comes from, did a bit of research and it turns out that they realised they can they can get away with calling. They can call it clean hydrogen or blue hydrogen, even when it's made by burning coal or gas, thanks to this thing called carbon capture and storage is not new technology. Isn't that going well? Which the best I can figure out this kind of thing where Scott maybe has more insight into this kind of works out like I think if you fought and then plan to ceiling, the ceiling cancels out the fog, is that Yeah, is that basically Howard's showing me that if he just didn't fire to begin

Dan Ilic  1:18:30  
with coming upstairs or if he fought in a jar? Oh, I put it in the ground. That's carbon capture storage. perfectly. Well, the technically, if I did it, it'd be me. Thank catches. Yes. But the extending analogy to coal plants. Is that right, Scott Ludlam?

Unknown Speaker  1:18:47  
Suddenly This is on me. Yes, Scott. This is your this is your analogy. You have to land this.

Unknown Speaker  1:18:54  
Anyway. Energy minister Angus Taylor loves hydrogen. Here he is on radio national talking about blue hydrogen until he's literally blue in the face.

Unknown Speaker  1:19:04  
Is it green hydrogen or hydrogen made with fossil fuels?

Unknown Speaker  1:19:07  
It's clean hydrogen. What's that? That's That's the point. It's clean hydrogen. industries.

Unknown Speaker  1:19:15  
It wasn't made with fossil fuels are made with renewable energy.

Unknown Speaker  1:19:18  
The point that many make when they're asking that question is we can't possibly make anything from fossil fuels. Well, you know what, if it's zero emissions, it's fine. That's the point. It's got to be clean. fuels. How do we make it zero emissions he will be made with anything that allows us to reduce emissions is blue. Hydrogen that can be done with zero emissions is green hydrogen that can be done with zero emissions. You know, we made a lot of horses in this race.

Unknown Speaker  1:19:46  
That interview went so badly that Angus Taylor was later caught on Facebook saying bad, bad job, Angus.

Dan Ilic  1:19:53  
But the other thing that was a very nice joke for this audience.

Unknown Speaker  1:19:58  
The other the other reason Morrison loves hydrogen aside from the fact that will keep his billionaire coal mining magnate mates happy is that it can make trucks car perma.

Unknown Speaker  1:20:08  
I mean hydrogen can be used to drive vehicles. I mean up there in the Pilbara at the moment they're putting him in the mining trucks.

Unknown Speaker  1:20:15  
Yes, let's power some vehicles of flammable hydrogen. Let's see. How did that go last time we tried that. Let's have a look here. Oh, there we go. There's some there's some nice flammable hydrogen there in the Hindenburg. Nice and blue. I think if it wasn't black and white, sorry, a bit too soon for Hindenburg jokes. Anyways, in conclusion, the Australian Government is kicking the can down the road on climate change, not setting targets and trying to sell us dirty and dangerous unproven technologies. But if you think we can't do any better than this one, maybe we should just have a little look across the ditch to see what's

Unknown Speaker  1:20:46  
happened knows fossil fuel subsidies part of New Zealand's for action points, one price carbon to make climate related financial disclosures, mandatory three ind fossil fuel subsidies and for finance adaptation.

Unknown Speaker  1:21:06  
Now that's a prime minister who can probably get a handshake.

Dan Ilic  1:21:15  
fame is New Zealand appear to be doing a lot better than us in many circumstances. Why is that?

Unknown Speaker  1:21:25  
Scott crazy thing to be famous for. She's got a green climate change minister. Like there's a there's an interesting example. Sorry to be the Ernest one sheet,

Dan Ilic  1:21:39  
this is why you're here.

Unknown Speaker  1:21:40  
I'll be really quick. All right, and then these guys can carry on. You've got I think, a very different political culture. It's not saturated with rupert murdoch publications. And you've got a green labour Alliance where people are actually decent to each other. They show up at each other's press conferences, they support each other. It's not perfect. There's plenty of problems there. But I just think that political culture is very different to hear

Lewis Hobba  1:22:01  
that actually sounds like more of a fantasy than Lord of the Rings. From a New Zealand perspective, as well, yeah. And they get along, and they all live in holes. In the coalition there they have hobbits I've seen Oh, thank God. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  1:22:19  
I think one of the big problems. And I'm not totally familiar with the New Zealand political climate at all, but I just think you can't steal from the Treasury and govern the country at the same time. It's like, one or the other. Right?

Dan Ilic  1:22:36  
Make it's your turn. Give it a crack. Yeah, everyone McNab is rational. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  1:22:45  
Hello, everybody. What we're doing, of course, is we're talking about climate change. And if you look at a lot of what we're saying is pretty negative. And you think, well, how can we have hope for the future? And so I'm just trying to lighten the mood a little bit by letting us understand how we can have hope for the future. And if you do need to, you need to be optimistic and you need to be positive. And if you want to learn lessons on optimism and positivity, look no further then the quality over leadership because they have turned optimism and positivity into an art form. Okay, because they don't they don't call it being bribed by the fossil fuel industry, do they? They call it a political donation. And they call it a natural transition from politics to the Board of Rio Tinto and Anglo American. I say that that's positivity, isn't it? They don't call it they don't call it they don't call it a colossal waste of taxpayers money on soon to be useless infrastructure that we don't actually need. See, now they call it a gasoline recovery. Right, that's positivity. That's optimism. And we need to take that onto ourselves as we move forward into the future because yeah, like climate change is happening and the planet's heating up, which is bad, but if you've ever watched your done your laundry on a 45 degree day it drives like that. That's positivity. That's like yes, the polar ice caps are melting. But that also creates more room to play footy and cricket. Okay, yes, the sea levels are rising, which is bad, but the more the seas rise, the less room there is for bushfires. So that's positivity, maybe too soon, as well as positivity Scott, this is what we're trying by. No, I think maybe we should lose the term bushfire because there is a lot of negative connotations attached to the word bushfire. I think maybe we should progress in future and we should just call it like free range barbecue. like seven houses will last in today's free range barbecue. Oh, They just got a little bit overexcited they didn't. That's nice. And and you know, like, they do say that. We were you know, though one in 100 year fire events are going to become more common and we're going to see them like one one in 184 events are going to happen every five or six years, which is not great. But on the positive side, it is an opportunity to get more volunteers and people contributing to their community. You know, we're looking at the positives I was evacuated on Ash Wednesday, on Black Saturday, I spent six hours patrolling my house doing our amber patrol. And you know, the 2019 20 fires, I inhaled a lot of smoke. And like, How lucky am I that I'm only 46 years old, but I've already been through three one in 100 fire year. And I'm only 46 I can feed hates Boring. Boring, you know, like if you saying that, you know insurance premiums for fire insurance are going up. It's too expensive to get fire insurance which you which is bad, but on the positive side that just encourages self sufficiency, doesn't it? Well, you know, pennies for insurance when you can have a fight and go might stick with me.

Dan Ilic  1:26:28  
Make a promise should have warned you. Many of this crowd have recently been through an extremely traumatic event. I'm moving on from Yeah, moving on. I don't know if you I should

Unknown Speaker  1:26:40  
have told you. I'm moving on from the fires. I've watched the news. I think I was evacuated last Wednesday. Climate change. Worst case scenario we need to be positive right. And we don't want to I don't think we should call it the total collapse of civilization as we know it. We should call it a digital detox. Like it's not going to be a brutal fight for survival in the toxic wasteland of a planet that we destroyed through greed and stupidity. Right It's an opportunity to learn new skills. Exactly like your spirit. Like if you just pick you out or you're sitting around the front that have you ever thought about killing someone

Unknown Speaker  1:27:34  
while you get on board because like and just so everyone's aware, right? I am now going to talk about killing someone but I'm doing it in a sense of positivity. I don't want you to think it is murder. Right don't think of it as murder Think of it as resource management. Being positive because you never know there could be some climate change disaster could happen before we know that no one predicted like the the permafrost is melting, releasing methane into the air which could suddenly react with all the carbon dioxide and create a thick band of smoke around the entire planet blocking out all the light from the sun every living thing on earth smothering to death, humanity starving no Lauren order anymore, and it's just me and another dude. And a can of peaches. Don't say well, if I want to eat those peaches, I'm gonna have to kill this guy. When he comes at me with with a ninth or ninth century Viking battle axe that he's looted from the home of a mediaeval weapons enthusiast. But luckily, I've got my replica US Marine K bar combat knife. Okay, so he comes in swinging the axe, I duck under it, grab his arm and just jam that knife up under his ribs like real close. You look into his eyes. You just see that shock. He's like, Oh, he's got me. Give that knife a twist. You feel that hot spurt of blood run down your arm. This thing that's in his heart. He's dead. He goes limp, drops the axe and you're up close looking into his eyes just watching his soul start to leave his body. And then with his last dying breath, you guys,

Unknown Speaker  1:29:10  
I just I just

Unknown Speaker  1:29:14  
I just wanted to feed my daughter. Enjoy heaven decade. When you drop into the ground and your sheep that knife you grab that canopies you tear the top off and you're stuck with your bare hands. You're shovelling peaches in your starving mouth. You've got blood and peach juice just dribbling off your chin and you have never felt so alive.

Unknown Speaker  1:29:55  
Obviously I haven't given that a lot of thought. It's a well, it's just something that popped into my head when I was trying to be optimistic about the future.

Dan Ilic  1:30:16  
How do you folks stay optimistic about the future? How do you keep your optimism going? where we are right now? I mean, Gabby, maybe I'll start with you, your, your 25 year young person when I wants to be optimistic? Oh, you know, I'm alive. We're here. Well, we're not when I was 25, I started my journey in terms of kind of climate action and trying to try to make the world a better place. How do you feel about it? Like, how do young people keep up?

Gabbi Bolt  1:30:38  
I feel like, well, if we're talking about my very sheltered bubble of social awareness, we laugh at anything, that's crap. And that tends to just work. It doesn't. So we just laugh at terrible, terrible things.

Lewis Hobba  1:30:54  
I think it's always good to keep in mind when I'm in a low point about the future of the world. And even though the current of the world is to remember that eventually, all people will die. And they are the ones who are really responsible. And that's what that's what helps me sleep at night is knowing that my grandparents are already gone, and thank God. They will never they'll never have to experience what you might have to experience. Yeah, no, my sweet grandparents who I loved but who are gone will never have to say the horrible things that I'll say my future. Yeah, yeah, I stay optimistic. Yeah, I think we've fulfilled the assignment

Unknown Speaker  1:31:31  
that, you know, I think one cause for optimism, from my point of view is that as a 46 year old, I've really had the best years that I could possibly have. And whatever happens now is just done a bit. You know, I've lived a good life up

Dan Ilic  1:31:47  
to now it's all peaches from Hey, mate. Can I get the vaccine then if you don't want it? I actually know I want to go back to Bali, at least one. So I'll be taking.

Gabby, the budget was about four weeks ago. And in that time, you've had time to process who the winners and the losers are?

Gabbi Bolt  1:32:14  
Yeah. That's the preamble. We wrote because I wrote some a month ago. Yeah, I mean, look, there are real. No, there are no, there are some winners in the budget. I don't know if any of them are in this room. Or in this state, except for Parliament House. But I've written a song about our views in the budget. I wrote it for a little gang called the chaser who now pay me to be stupid. This This song is about the budget. everyone's favourite subject to sing about. I don't care what's in the budget. Because Murdoch says it's fine. The sky said battlers loved it. And so did Channel Nine. It's my fault that I'm unemployed. So now all my time is free. Everyone's a winner. I'll accept the AVC sorry, Louis. Murdoch back the budget. That's all I need to hear. I can relax and turn my brain off watch the footy with a beat. The country's bouncing back today. There's no way we could fail. Unless you've come from India, then you can go to jail. There's money for our billionaires because they're so oppressed. But if you're on job seeker, then they'll send you Robo debt and forget funding inquiries into indigenous dance. But I do hear that there's cash involved towards some come proof desks.

Dan Ilic  1:33:48  
That one was wrong. We're lucky I guess I just remembered we're in a council chambers.

Gabbi Bolt  1:33:53  
Clean your surfaces everyone clean your surfaces. Were lucky in this country. We survived the COVID plague and our budget will reflect the sensible changes that were made. So you do not get to whinge and whine about what is being paid. Unless you're over 35 or prefer your grandparents alive or if you're in public education or a victim of house rental inflation or if you want churches to pay tax little one day get a Pfizer vaccine in the healthcare sector award effector or in the centre link online. Don't worry, because Murdoch says it's fine. Yeah. Thanks. I apologise for the come desktop.

Dan Ilic  1:34:40  
Our next guest has worked at the highest levels at the Australian Parliament striving for climate justice. Now he's just one of you, you know, living and working in eurobodalla Shire. Despite his name being Scott, he's here for the long haul. It's Scott.

Scott, do you um, do you It shouldn't be a name. Have you considered calling yourself scout lard? Really? We just said that okay, no. What's your next question? I know you moved here in 2018. Has anything major happened since that time? pretty quiet? No. Was it like you know packing you packed up your life in person you move to this place. Why did you choose this area to move to? I,

Unknown Speaker  1:35:26  
it reminds me that Southwest TWA. And actually, it reminds me a little bit of Taranaki and New Zealand, dairy country and misty and gorgeous. But I came here more or less at random to write a book, little writer's retreat a couple of years ago, and just had all my stuff moved over. And so now you're stuck with me? Oh, that's okay.

Dan Ilic  1:35:43  
And so were you here during 2019 2020?

Unknown Speaker  1:35:46  
Not here, here. But out the back of tobacco that 20 Kay's from tobacco. Wow, the little town that we are so very proud of where that footage was mostly taken.

Dan Ilic  1:35:55  
Do you know a few of those people in those clips? A little bit? Yes. But the whole country knows them now. What are those folks like what you know, the people in those clips? Like I think

Unknown Speaker  1:36:05  
it's a it's a very down to earth place. It's surprisingly it. I mean, it's this beautiful kind of crossover of Palmer and prayer prayer flags. This whole district is just really interesting, culturally crossover country.

Dan Ilic  1:36:17  
Yeah, yeah. When you were going through the bushfires, like how did you What was your story at that time, like how what happened here

Unknown Speaker  1:36:25  
are supposed to be so many buddy stories in just in this room. So as probably not super special. But we were awoken about 4:35am, New Year's Eve 2019. And just evacuated as quick as we could get out of our place and sheltered in the Roma for a couple of days and spent the next six weeks I suspect, like many people down here, just dodging fires. So we evacuated four times as and ended up with the thing around us on three sides as terrifying.

Dan Ilic  1:36:55  
As someone who's being part of the most powerful force in Australia. Well, not necessarily in government, but someone who's been in power. And I didn't know, you know, I missed that whole chapter of my life. Did you expect when when you're going through that thing to do that moment Did you expect are in a moment, the federal government is going to do something and we'll be looked after,

Unknown Speaker  1:37:20  
we were all hoping that Morrison would helicopter in and try and shake people's hands. That's what everybody in this district was really hoping would happen. A

Dan Ilic  1:37:31  
couple of people were laughing I see him

Unknown Speaker  1:37:34  
harshly judging Morrison because we've since found out that he wasn't actually shaking hands. He was laying on hands and healing people with prayer. And I think if we'd known that at the time, it would have made all the difference. Not at all creepy or weird. For you.

Dan Ilic  1:37:48  
What was the biggest disconnect of that moment? For a few who's you know, you've been part of Parliament, really? And you're in this moment? Did you? What What were you going through in your head

Unknown Speaker  1:38:00  
disconnect is that people have been predicting this for at least 20 years, Ross Garner wrote a thing, 20 years or 15 years ago saying by the 2020s will be observing this, this is going to be a reality. So the disconnect is that we have seen this thing coming. And it's hard to pretend to be surprised. It's like being surprised by a snail creeping up on you. You know, we've seen this thing coming for an awfully long time. And now it's here.

Dan Ilic  1:38:25  
Yeah. When you saw you were living through the experience of this government's inaction. What surprised you most about that moment?

Unknown Speaker  1:38:38  
I was surprised they were so utterly flat footed, like before, he remember that rancid little TV ad that they put out with him kind of striding back in with the army and they've ripped a bunch of money out of disability funding, and suddenly there's going to be cash everywhere. I felt like for a unit that is basically completely in hock to the coal and gas industry, and that people have been predicting this is going to happen for decades that they would have been a little bit more prepared and at least had their lines straight. But they had absolutely no idea what to do at the guys in Hawaii. Do you have something funny to say?

Dan Ilic  1:39:09  
No, no, no. I asked you Scott. You shouldn't feel like you need to be terrifying.

Lewis Hobba  1:39:15  
I promise I'm not here to hurt you. Scott. was really hoping you could lighten the mood. Yeah, no. And I was wondering is yeah that's how the people came to say a fight. No, I was wondering if you knew Scott Morrison personally because you don't know him personally. Because it's so strange to me because I felt like we the previous Prime Ministers even though I have disagreed with them. I have been out ago I can see why you wanted this job. I cannot understand why the fuck he wants this job. Like, do you have any insight as to why he actually wants to be prime minister doesn't seem to have any joy from it means any sort of direction for it that he's

Unknown Speaker  1:39:54  
doing God's work. He was called to it by God. Sounds Mantega. It sounds man. But that's why why

Lewis Hobba  1:40:02  
do you think that's that's legitimately? Because now that he's been cold? Is he waiting for like the next coal to tell him what to do? Like? What's going on?

Dan Ilic  1:40:11  
to manage your timezone? I think that would be a more appropriate job for flashing lights.

Unknown Speaker  1:40:20  
No, nothing, you would ask the same question, why does this bag of custard want to be the Prime Minister? Even the religious thing doesn't quite land, like is that really his caper? Because he's doing a shit job even at that. Get him.

Dan Ilic  1:40:38  
So when when the when the feds didn't turn up, and then people were left to their own devices. What did you say that

Unknown Speaker  1:40:44  
was people helped each other people. People lend each other generators, people were hooning, around in Utah, putting spot fires out people just bought us food. They were folk coming out of bermagui, who were just doing enormous stuff in this big kitchen, and then just shuttling it out to where people needed it. Water got delivered. So it's all the mutual aid stuff, all the beautiful bottom up stuff was what actually happened.

Dan Ilic  1:41:10  
Does it surprise you that there's no kind of support for those kind of groups, even if the government's gonna outsource this sort of support to these grassroots groups? How have you been to support these groups?

Unknown Speaker  1:41:22  
There's a little bit landing now. And I think some of some of that stuff is getting a small amount institutional backing, but it's, you know, came too late, obviously, for last year. The main thing if we can learn anything from last year is that the kind of groups doing that incredible stuff do get backed up and supported.

Dan Ilic  1:41:39  
We've seen stories over the last six months about this notional $2 billion and half of it being delivered war where is the winner? No Show of hands who got some of the $2 billion buddy for the podcast listener. There is a person with their hand up how much should you get? Red Cross for a really really good Red Cross for good people. And Salvation

Unknown Speaker  1:42:10  
Army and they've put money the Red Cross in put me into the actual pods and the government is supposed to hire for we had signed over $10,000 Red Cross money the government

Dan Ilic  1:42:28  
Wow. Wow. So that was that that's a charity plugging the get with a government fell down.

Unknown Speaker  1:42:33  
There was a lot of that. Yeah, institutional charities but also just these networks of people who just had to do what needed to be done.

Dan Ilic  1:42:41  
God, it's um, anyone else got stories of this? They want to share this moment of kind of?

Lewis Hobba  1:42:50  
That's what you're here for. Scott tell a joke.

Dan Ilic  1:42:53  
Well, Scott, plugging the incongruity of the Australian voter, after seeing whatever everything we've gone through, and seeing how labour doesn't really have a Climate Action Plan themselves, how does the Australian voter heading into election season how should they vote to see meaningful climate action?

Unknown Speaker  1:43:18  
I'd say don't wait till elections roll around. I reckon that's the first mistake that we're going to make. If we hang around until an election at the time of Scott Morrison's choosing, like we just we lose another. I don't know what six to 12 months of waiting around tapping our toes, it's time to riot, like it's actually time to take a bit of power back.

Lewis Hobba  1:43:41  
This is the opinion of former senator Scott Ludlam. Yeah. As a as an employee of the Australian Broadcasting Corporation, distanced myself from the riot against the government comments. But I support Scott's ability to say that

Dan Ilic  1:43:58  
that's real courage. Yeah, that's what they've been

Lewis Hobba  1:44:03  
fucking suing us every week. Give me a break.

Dan Ilic  1:44:08  
So with with when we say don't wait another six months, what what do you mean by that?

Scott Ludlam  1:44:14  
There was some really courageous crew up on the roof of Andrew constancies office earlier in this week. There are school strikers in his town who've been rebelling for at least two years that I'm aware of like a really courageous crew. There's extinction rebellion chapter just flared up here and that has got a long way to run. I'm not saying like when the election comes around, check and see who's paying their bills don't vote for people who are cashing checks from Santos and the resources sector. That part's really simple, but we simply cannot wait for long enough for elections to come around. And there's so much beautiful stuff going on like in this district. Big Cheese not even as a joke or as a punchline are talking about circular economy right across the whole valley, like in a serious way. Just spend a couple hours reading this stuff. They're not fooling around. Yeah, like, if government is way, way back and the community's ready and businesses ready, then let's just get on with it and not wait for these clowns.

Dan Ilic  1:45:10  
We are the leaders. Right.

Well, Scott, thank you so much for joining us on irrational fear welcome. Sorry, I was so earnest the thinking you know, that's, that's the, that's the job of this section. Just to top off your earnestness where we have a lot of Patreon supporters. So to fund the show, we've got a few in our front row here tonight, which is great. We're gonna be giving half of our Patreon tonight to the Women's Resource Centre, Baga. And the and the other half. We're gonna be giving the other half to the extinction rebellion legal fund. So that's about that, you know, that's, that's some good money going their way. So hopefully, hopefully, it's not exactly

Lewis Hobba  1:46:00  
they can commit some more crime

Dan Ilic  1:46:02  
is to pay their legal bills and their legal bills. Well, thank you very much. God loves

Unknown Speaker  1:46:09  
a rational fear.

Dan Ilic  1:46:15  
Now, Gabby, it's become evident that Scott is finding it difficult to show any kind of leadership and when he does, there's always someone behind the scenes who is incredibly powerful in his ear.

Gabbi Bolt  1:46:25  
Yeah, I'm actually I was a bit of a fly on the wall recently at a parliamentary karaoke party. And he actually he got up to sing quite a bit of an elton john banger, actually, but it wasn't quite the lyricism that I was like, everyone kind of does things that like he actually sing the lyrics quite well. So I thought I'd just reenact what I heard that fateful evening at the parliament Terry

Lewis Hobba  1:46:59  
Great, well, he Gabby, I'm really gonna have to actually host the party now. Any open phones? Good.

Gabbi Bolt  1:47:17  
Hey, kids, learn from my empathy consultant. Turns out all that I have to say is I find these guys repulsive. I won't say a thing about how I will propose real change. But if I tried to cry, maybe no one will notice anything strange. Cuz I stand up for women when they need me, but are only the ones I like to January and the girls on the road, so my relatives could really even do I haven't name names. I mean, I'm not to blame. I couldn't have suffered testers right. But I didn't want to know why. Just Jenny and the girls. We can sing in this venue. Good. Well, then we'll write little karaoke over are ready. You know what to do?

Dan Ilic  1:48:40  
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Once a month on the A Rational Fear podcast feed with publish a Greatest Moral Podcast Of Our Generation podcast. These are long-form chats with climate leaders from all walks of life. This month I bring you two conversations with a couple of comedians whose work and energy around climate justice has inspired me for years.

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Linh Do and I also chat with energy journalist and fellow Bertha Fellow, Antonia Juhasz about the Dutch Court ruling that Shell must cut their emissions to meet the Paris Agreement targets, and how shareholders of Chevron and Exxon are forcing those companies to reckon with their own carbon footprint.

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The Juice Media's Giordano Nanni, who's Honest Government Ads reach millions and millions of people on-line. He's one of Australia's most influential YouTube creators on issues that matter.

and Rod Quantock. Rod is no strange to Australian comedy fans. From his early stand up days at The Last Laugh, to his work on TV shows like Australia You're Standing In It (yes, and Captain Snooze).

Rod dedicated the last couple of decades to doing comedy about climate change . He is the guy who inspired me to start A Rational Fear as a vehicle to bring more people to the topic of climate change in an accessible way. The conversation with Rod Quantock is a little …. depressing but it's worth hearing his point of view as a guy who has been active in this space for a long time…and is tired.

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Dan Ilic  0:00  
Hello, hello. We've got two great interviews for you today Giordano from the juice media and also rod contact. But before we do that, I just want to acknowledge I'm on gadigal land in the eora nation,

Linh Do  0:10  
and I'm on the lands of the war Andriy people of the Kulin nation.

Dan Ilic  0:14  
All right, let's kick it off with the climate news despite

Unknown Speaker  0:17  
global warming, or rational fear is adding a little more hot air with long form discussions with climate leaders. Good. This is called Don't be afraid the heat waves and droughts greatest mass extinction tomorrow we're facing a manmade disaster podcast, climate criminals

Unknown Speaker  0:43  
ration all of this with global warming and a lot of it's a hoax. But write a small podcast about generation for short,

Dan Ilic  0:54  
now listen, before we get straight into the climate news, I want to let everybody know that we are doing live shows in Newcastle in Vegas for a rational fear we're also going to Melbourne but a little bit later on. We are performing June five in Newcastle where we'll have James panda from semi j cursed and dries out from reputation rehab in Hungary based Louis harbour or so from Triple J. It's basically people used to be on hungry based it's gonna be a base mini reunion. It's gonna be fantastic. And also James benders from the Rodney John's half hour adult TV show that I still do on channel 10. Also, we've got Georgina Woods who is from lock the gate, and DJ diabolical from news fighters. It's going to be fast, funny, it's going to be like q&a on crack. We're going to be talking a lot about the hunter. So if you are in New Castle and you want to come along, please do. It's going to be great. We've released tickets have already started to sell. I think we've sold 20 or 30 tickets already amazing. Yeah. And we are trying to work out also workshop that you can be at Lynn where we do some kind of digital main workshop where we can teach people how to make names on the internet.

Linh Do  2:03  
It's gonna be hard, it's gonna be this funny thing where we're meeting offline in real life in person. things on the internet. This is how all right digital activism starts. It's actually not on the internet. So get excited and get tickets.

Dan Ilic  2:16  
So yeah, do follow a rational fee on all the social medias and we'll let you know when that workshops gonna be but during five at the Newcastle Civic Theatre, get your tickets details are in the show notes. All right, huge week in a climate news this week, we could talk a bit about bravest losing their water licence to to create the Galilee coal mine, which is pretty funny. You know, it's very, it's good comedy to say these guys going ahead creating a coal mine. But we weren't because something has wiped that off the slate. And we are very lucky to be joined by Antonia yuhas, fellow Berta fellow to talk to us through some of the biggest news happening in climate probably ever.

Linh Do  2:55  
Antonia, thanks for joining us. We just woke up to this excellent news. But tell us more Spain. Good bad, what's awake? Is the fossil fuel industry being having?

Unknown Speaker  3:04  
No I'd say it's been a really, really knock their heads together, run over them with a tractor drag them behind the wheel of the car kind of kind of kind of weak,

Dan Ilic  3:18  
dragged him behind the wheel of an electric car, probably a new f150 lightning maybe.

Unknown Speaker  3:25  
Now I think they're gonna I think it's like data behind a car that's puffing out a whole lot of polluting exhausts that make them suck it in or making the rest of us do it and hold them accountable before it kind of we

Dan Ilic  3:38  
all right, and now we've had a couple of huge rulings by shareholders and by court. Let's walk us through just quickly. What First of all, let's start off with shell in the Netherlands. Shell is being forced to slash its pollution by a Dutch court.

Unknown Speaker  3:51  
It's a massive ruling. So the Court upheld that companies have a requirement under the Paris Climate accord to essentially meet the standards of the Paris Climate accord and that it runs contrary to the guaranteed human rights guaranteed to European citizens, for Shell to destroy the climate. And so shell must change its practices so that it doesn't destroy the climate and the ruling order the company to nearly have so by 40% cut its emissions across its entire supply chain its entire chain production chain within less than 10 years so by 2030 45% cut in emissions from counting not only its own production and exploration and refining and transporting of oil and natural gas, but also what its suppliers contribute to emissions and what its consumers contribute to emissions. When So we're talking scope one, scope two, scope

Dan Ilic  5:02  
three, the whole thing. Indeed, wow, that's such a cool thing. Like, it's so incredible that this this fossil fuel giant is kind of being pulled together like this by a regulatory body. And I guess the Netherlands is so progressive in places like in kind of areas like this, or like, how do they get to this point of kind of forcing shell to do this,

Unknown Speaker  5:23  
they're saying that in signing the Paris Climate accord, nations have created essentially have agreed on a moral norm. And that moral norm is that the world cannot be warmed beyond 1.5 degrees Celsius. And that not only our governments accountable to that norm, but with this ruling, so to our companies, so that there isn't, there isn't an international body that exists to regulate multinational corporations. And that's what the what the court is also saying is, it is the obligation of the company to adhere to the norms of its home government. And the agreements that that government has signed, including the Paris Climate accord, and including human rights accords, under the European Union, for the case of shell and the Netherlands.

Dan Ilic  6:15  
This sounds like it's gonna be a great day for Australian corporates, I can see shell moving their headquarters to Canberra, where Australia will provide sanctuary for companies like shell to keep the learning at the current levels.

Unknown Speaker  6:30  
I mean, it I wonder if that would solve the problem. Certainly what would not solve shells problem is to move its operations from one place to another. So for example, the courts really clear that wherever the cuts come from, Shell has to achieve a 45% reduction. So if shell moved all of its operations to Australia, it would still have to meet this obligation. I have no idea what would happen if it moved its headquarters.

Dan Ilic  7:03  
Also, let's talk about Exxon and Chevron quickly, as someone who's covered this space, how you feeling about shareholders kind of holding these two companies to account this week,

Unknown Speaker  7:12  
all three events happened with Exxon's annual shareholder meeting, Chevron's annual shareholder meeting shells, court ruling all happened on Wednesday, May 26 2021, it's a day that's going to go down in infamy for these for these oil companies. Shareholders at Exxon got two seats on the board, for activist shareholders that want to force the company to act to be more aggressive on climate and to address the climate, to do anything on the climate. And over at Chevron shareholders force the company to have a much more aggressive accounting on how its emissions impact for climate and to try and reduce those emissions.

Dan Ilic  7:52  
I see you as someone who's covered this energy space for ever, how do you feel about a day like this? And what does it mean to you?

Unknown Speaker  8:00  
It's a day of reckoning for the oil industry, it's saying I, you're going to have to shrink your footprint that the climate crisis is real, it's been accepted, there are costs associated that people across the spectrum are not going to take so they're not going to accept any longer. And that's those impacted by the harms. That's investors, that's policymakers that financers finance years. So that it's it's a it's a statement from everyone who suffers the consequences of these of the company's continued continuing to operate, without any concern for their impact on the climate or unwillingness to respond to their own knowledge about their harms on the climate that will not be accepted anymore, that the costs are too high. However, when measures the word cost,

Dan Ilic  9:00  
yeah, and environmentally, socially, financially. It's so fascinating to see how the world is moving to this direction. But there are a few rogue states like Australia who are still accounting for emissions in a way that is only financial and can't, can't measure this for long term strategy for long term value creation. And it's so disheartening, being in this country to see the leadership of our country not even considering this not even blinking, putting in more gas when the rest of the world is getting out rapidly.

Unknown Speaker  9:30  
That's the thing is like talk about rogue actors. There's no more rogue actor than Exxon, there's almost no more rogue actor than Chevron. There's almost no more rogue actor than show. And what each of these events is is an attempt to say well, you may want to be robot but we're gonna hold you to account so for example, this is basically trying to get at it from from every angle so if the view late you then the court will hold the company to account if The courts and the governments will hold the company to account then the shareholders. Well, if the shareholders won't, then the lenders will if the lenders won't, then you know, like, and that's what's happening is that basically, you know, this has been building over decades of organising and activism and demands to try and get at this problem at every single way, because you're talking about the world's most powerful and wealthy wherever they used to be companies, and the world's most powerful and wealthy countries, which are many of which if they remain, if they if they continue to tie themselves to fossil fuels, they won't be either. So the companies are no longer the most powerful companies when I used to write about when I wrote my book, the tyranny of oil, the world's most powerful industry and what we must do to stop it in 2008, it was the world's most powerful industry. It's not today. Yeah, it's not the case anymore. And that is going to happen to the governments too.

Linh Do  10:54  
So I guess I tried to do the other thing that for me kept coming up with all of this really great news overnight is like sprint One, two and three emissions. Do you mind just like telling us? What aspect three missions for listeners that might not be aware?

Antonia Juhasz  11:06  
Oh, I hope I can. So let's say scope. Creep missions are the emissions that are burned by the consumers of fossil fuels. So those are the emissions that come when we drive our cars and aeroplanes fly. And companies have tried to say that that's not their responsibility. It's they've used the argument that tobacco companies use, which was, well, we know that our product is harmful, and we know that it hurts people. But if you want to drive it and you want to fly it, then that's your fault.

Linh Do  11:36  
Like it's an argument that the NRA has used a lot as well, right. It's not guns that kill people. It's the people that use the guns. And I think fossil fuel companies have definitely gotten away with that, too. People just find the coal. I mean, how widmet responsibility Campbell,

Unknown Speaker  11:53  
exactly. And similarly misled the public about the content, what they knew to be the consequences of that consumption, right. So the companies knew the consequences of that consumption decades ago. And that's part of the shell case that that the plaintiffs are arguing is that shelah has known for decades, the harms of this of consumption of its product, and helped mislead the public about that and did not act accordingly on that information. And so it also is part of similar to the tobacco argument is that consumers actually didn't know it. They were misled about what the harms would be about consumption. And now the companies with the shell ruling are being told, actually, you have to account for that, for that consumption. And also, that's what Chevron is saying it what its shareholders are saying to the company is we're going to require you to account for that consumption as well.

Dan Ilic  12:46  
Thank you. And Tony, you has fellow Berta fellow. Thank you, Lynn and Dan, looking at? Look, I think that's enough common use, but there's what I want to leave you with one other singling? You know, our minister for emissions reduction, Angus Taylor. He favoured, he was asked on three a W by Neil Mitchell. If he drives an electric car. What do you think his answer was?

Linh Do  13:07  
I mean, even though you think you've been his job description, he probably walked around the answer and told us all something a little bit depressing. It's not that he's riding his bike everywhere, but he's driving a guzzler

Dan Ilic  13:18  
that he made it absolutely clear. And he said, I am not driving an electric car as if he's never going to drive an electric car.

Linh Do  13:26  
He's just waiting for self driving cars that maybe that's what he meant, you know, if we give him like the smallest molecule of DNA.

Dan Ilic  13:32  
Yeah, he says I live in regional New South Wales and drive us to huge distances every year 60 or 70,000 kilometres, so I need something that can handle hard roads and distances. He drives a Ford Everest, which is a five cylinder car which pumps out 225 grammes of co2 equivalent per kilometre. That's a can of coke of co2. Every kilometre Angus is putting 70,000 cans of coke worth of co2 in the air every year. This what the Minister for emissions reductions should be doing is offsetting. He's just putting a gas plant physics 100 million dollars where there's no money to be found. Also, he did this on the same day, he kind of came out on the same day that Joe Biden was riding around in a brand new Ford f150 light being Ford's brand new electric ute, the biggest truck in America, the most popular car in America. Joe Biden launched it with Ford last week and just the optics at the same time, Angus guy No, I'm not gonna there's no way I'm gonna drive an electric car that said Joe Biden guy here is the most masculine electric car you could possibly get today.

Linh Do  14:44  
Here I am driving it and I don't know for any of our listeners who have been to the US obviously pre pandemic times, but they cause a way bigger than any of our cars. You know, like these are huge monsters if we can make one of those vehicles electric. Pretty sure I guess Taylor might be eating his words. Very saved from breakfast.

Dan Ilic  15:01  
That's it for the climate news. We've got two super great interviews for you today. First of all we've got Giordano from the juice media. If you don't know the juice media here is some of their work. Hello,

Unknown Speaker  15:11  
I'm from the government with an important message as we enter the third decade of the 21st century things are going fine overall, the Amazon is fine half of Africa is fine. So is the Arctic Indonesia angry even Greenland's on fucking fire? I mean, fine. Scientists have coined a new term for this stage of climate change were entering with but unlike the previous stage, which climate scientists called listen to us, or we might be fucked, where fact is happening and in your lifetime. This is thanks to us wasting decades, pis farting around at climate summits with non binding emission target while handing up subsidies to climate criminals attracting renewables, and generally not giving a shit that rising co2 levels are about to trigger what scientists call feedback loops. a feedback loop is the scientific term for when a species uses its own ignorance to screw itself and everything else around it so hard that its own planet tells it to get foe some people are already experiencing where facts such as these Pacific nations facing rising sea level who recently back to Australia to please stop burning coal to which Australia responded get fat,

Dan Ilic  16:18  
really funny stuff. always makes me laugh juice media stuff has so much cut through would you say Lynne?

Linh Do  16:25  
Yes. And every time I see it on, you know, like, scrolling through social media. I always think it's sort of real. And so I was like, No, no, no, no, no, no. There's some genius behind this. It is satire, because it's just so on point with whatever's topical. At that moment in time,

Dan Ilic  16:39  
Joe, Joe and juice media have long been champion climate conversations through the comedy they make on their channel. Another person who has been champion climate conversations is a legend called rod Quantock strain comedian been around forever. I did a panel with him in 2008. And I remember him saying something well, I'm throwing out all of my material and just focusing on climate because there's nothing else to talk about. And I thought, Oh, my God, that's incredible. That's, that's so interesting. And that's almost that's probably why I started a rational fear. So I should let you know that rods conversation is a little more depressing.

Linh Do  17:18  
So it's very sober about the reality and the facts. And you know, I guess it comes with working on something for well over a decade. But um, when he wants to cracking jokes, still funny. But yeah, this work is not easy. And I think we need to just give people at times the space to feel all their emotions.

Dan Ilic  17:33  
Exactly. So you can feel despair, which is an emotion with radcot.

Unknown Speaker  17:38  
You're listening to the greatest moral podcast about generation

Dan Ilic  17:44  
jordanna. Welcome to the greatest model podcast of our generation. Awesome to be here. Thanks, Dan. Does that feel too weighty a weighty title on your shoulders to be part of the greatest moral podcast in my generation? It definitely yes. But I'll do my best to live up to date an absolute fan of your work for a decade. Ever since the early juice wrap news days. It's so it's so thrilling to kind of see you grow and blow up and ultimately become self sustaining. And I, you know, I don't know how you feel about this word, very successful. But it's a thrill to kind of sit down with you and talk through your work and talk through your process for what is essentially enlightening the world in a in a funny way. Oh, man, I appreciate that. That's very, that's very kind. Thanks. First of all, you are a historian. How does your background as historian inform your comedy? Do you think?

Unknown Speaker  18:46  
I mean, you know, I, whenever people ask me these kind of questions, I don't know how sort of beep to go. And, and sometimes I ask myself these questions as well. Or I think, you know, the simplest way of, of answering is that studying history really kind of like makes you think, what are some of the big picture frameworks that you have to apply because whenever you talk about history, it's really important to sort of put it in put things in context, you know, of the, of the of the of the year, the year, in the decade during the century, and then ultimately, humanity in this whole journey that we're on. And so that's studying history has really helped me to kind of like, juggle all of those perspectives to think about the really big timescales, and also the very small timescales, because that's where it really gets exciting when you can bring those two things together. Yeah. And then you go click, oh, my God, this is where we're at, oh, my God, I didn't know. And a lot comes from that feeling of, oh, wow, we're living in a really historic time. You know, when people say that, we've got a saying that I often invoke, history is happening. Meaning, you know, history isn't something that's just in the past. It's something we're living through right now. It's just that we don't see it. We just think our history is something in the past and right now is the present. But, you know, in a decade from now, people will look back and see this as as history and so, well, what are we going to do about that? What kind of history do we want to leave for people in the future, so I often often don't think of myself as a historian that looks at the past but a historian that looks at ourselves from the future,

Dan Ilic  20:05  
though that's, that's kind of that's exactly kind of what I was thinking about when I was thinking about your work. Your work is so detailed, and it's filled with minutiae. And I wonder, what will historians think about the work you've created? You know, 30 years time? Do you ever think about that? Do you feel like do you feel like you're, you're, you're almost like breadcrumbs for future historians to kind of understand this time better?

Unknown Speaker  20:27  
I don't know. I've never thought of it that way. But, you know, I think future historians will have so many fucking bread crumbs. You know, I just I really pity future historians because, you know, with the, with the arrival of the internet and social media, I mean, like, how do you even keep track of the archives of the future will be shit shows.

Dan Ilic  20:48  
Future historian coming across q anon and trying to understand why Q and S Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  20:51  
no, and then trying to go through H n forums. And yeah, yeah. It's Yeah,

Dan Ilic  20:57  
tell me jordanna what is shit fuckery.

Unknown Speaker  21:02  
Should fuckery is is a word that kind of, I don't know, materialised itself. I don't even remember when. Because I think I was just trying to search for a word that kind of tried to even get close to the level of corruption, ineptitude, arrogance, fucking betrayal of basic, you know, morality and human rights that this government upholds on a daily basis here in Australia. And that word just came to me, you know, as in, you know, sort of a vision. It was like, yeah, that kind of gets pretty close to it. And I don't think when I first used it in one of our honest government ads, I thought it was anything special, but people really kind of latched on to and went, Wow. Yes, that's what it is, you know. And so I was like, Okay, I'll keep using it. And now it's become like a something of a sort of something that people will associate with us quite a bit with the honest government ads that

Dan Ilic  21:50  
not only you I have seen it now sprinkled through the Zeitgeist. Yeah. Have you seen it leak out outside of the media world?

Unknown Speaker  21:57  
Yeah. Occasionally, I see a pop up that someone had a sign at the march for justice in Canberra. They added campy should fuckery in front of it, which I thought was very nice addition. kudos to them. But yeah, every now and then I see it pop up. Yeah. Yeah, some people wear wear the T shirt, they go through customs or arrive in Australia, we're in the department of shit fuckery Petia, which I think and then they post that on Twitter, which I think is quite brave. And you know, so every now and then I'd say coming up, which is nice. Yeah,

Dan Ilic  22:23  
I find this time we're in is really interesting, because we're at a pretty crucial time in history and human history in that. I think there's enormous humour about how we are not dealing with climate change. But it's incredibly sad at the same time. In Video, historic historian hat, aren't they? How do you think future generations will feel about the kind of delay we're having right now on climate action?

Unknown Speaker  22:48  
Yeah, I think it's gonna be brutal. Yeah, I think it's really, it's going to be, it's going to be horrible, the, you know, the, the way that the weight of his that history is going to put on our generation, collectively. And, you know, I know that, you know, some people say, yes, we're, you know, we're, we're, we're doing something and we're saying, and we'll speaking up and everything, but, but collectively, you know, the graters of the future are going to be they're all going to be greater than the future. They're all going to be stuff with us. And rightly so. I mean, that is one of the reasons that I think, you know, we talk about climate so much is, is that feeling of nausea? Really, that comes with Oh my God, is this really fucking happening? are we really doing this, like, This can't be happening, and I already feel angry. And so many people feel angry today. So I can only imagine how that will be amplified in the future. If we don't at this point, now, take a different path. Because Okay, you could say that 10 years ago, there was still you know, uncertainty, blah, blah, blah, all that sort of stuff. And, you know, we we gave the deniers so many opportunities to really sort of prove that the point that you know, there wasn't a need to act urgently. And now now now that's No, we've done it. We've wasted those decades. Okay. But now we're really have to fucking do it. And we're still not because mainly because of, of the government that we have. I mean, so many sectors of Australian society, the market industry, business people, entrepreneurs are just moving ahead. They're saying, fuck it, let's just do it. And the rest of the world is doing it as well. We're literally becoming a Lego just getting to the point where it's, it's not even funny anymore. It's actually pathetic. It's

Dan Ilic  24:18  
pathetic, and it's demoralising. And, you know, to hear these government delay tactics at the federal level so blatant, like coming out and saying stuff like, you know, the guy. Oh, yeah. Well, we now we know it's real. We know we would got to do something about it. But we're going to do it with technology. Oh, and the technology is not there yet. But it will be soon. So just give us another few decades of using fossil fuels.

Unknown Speaker  24:42  
Yeah. I mean, there's that element of it that that is just on its own is already fucking irritating. But then there's the other flip side of it is that there are so many opportunities that we could be embracing right now which could absolutely secure the future of of Australian manufacturing. jobs, which in turn then spills into society and our education, healthcare, or are these sort of things which could be powered by Australia becoming a renewable energy superpower, we everything is laid out in front of us. I've just been reading Ross ganas book superpower, which I really recommend, actually, I'd want to talk about it a bit more in some of the podcasts coming up. And it's just heartbreaking. The opportunity is that we're not taking which could be benefiting Australia so much, especially rural and country, Australia, which ironically, was where so many of the Liberal Party or liberal National Party seems to win a lot of seats. So it does, you know, it's it blows your mind anyway.

Dan Ilic  25:37  
Can you remember the first time you took notice of climate change or the lack of climate action as an issue that you're really passionate about? You want to communicate through through juice?

Unknown Speaker  25:47  
I'm all it was before juice. I think we started the juice me to channel 20,008. I think for me, it was when I was an undergrad uni student at GW a and I heard David Suzuki came and Kevin talk. He spoke at Winthrop Hall and he gave this amazing talk, which was quite a catalyst and a turning point. And then I had a lecturer at uni who was who introduced me to sort of on the sly, gave me books and said, I'll have you read. He was actually a South African. And he said, You've got some really great writers here. But you know, they're not very celebrated here. So he gave me a book by john Pilcher, he gave me a book hidden then a couple of others. He gave me the Gaia theory by James Lovelock. He was a bit of any sort of revolutionary kind of lecturer that kind of tried to radicalise he did you know, he really look at your say, exactly. It's all his faults. And those are kind of some of the texts that, you know, I read when I was quite young, probably 1617. And that kind of really imprinted on me that that issue being being of urgency? I don't know, I've just yeah, it's just been a constant theme, really. And then when we started juice in 2008, and retinues, in 2009, I think one of the first episodes we had was about climate. So it was really, very, pretty much the the thing that we were spoke about, from the very beginning, I think,

Dan Ilic  26:56  
for you, like, out of all the things you've done on climate, do you have one that stands out as the thing that you're like, this is the market climate statement that we've done so far?

Unknown Speaker  27:06  
Yeah, we did. We did a video about the fires towards the end of the deadly tragic bushfires that we had here in Australia. And I feel like that really kind of tapped into, from where we are at now with, with climate without government's policy, which is kind of this really interesting, and sort of also, you know, terrifying approach to Colombia, which has been for years denying and delaying and obfuscating, and then all of a sudden, with the bushfires, realising that that's not going to cut it anymore. And then skipping the part where we say, Okay, let's do something about it. Skipping that, and going straight to our Well, we're gonna have to adapt and build resilience. And this is just a reality. And we have to accept and it's like, what the fight what happened to the step in between that motherfuckers, you know, sorry, I get really upset about this.

Dan Ilic  27:46  
I know, this, this is the podcast to get out of that place.

Unknown Speaker  27:50  
And I feel like that that video really kind of captured that moment quite, quite accurately. And we had a great response from a lot of people, a lot of climate scientists and climate communicators also took notice. And we had a lot of sort of response from them. And one of them was Michael Mann, climate scientists from the US who was visiting at the time for a sabbatical. And he and he, when he came down to Melbourne, we met up and we, we hang hung out, and we really kind of connected and we spoke a lot about climate should fuckery and you know, and he was really keen to help out with he's kind of become like a de facto adviser, and he's come back on the podcast a couple of times. So that was a real kind of catalyst. But we've done so many, there are others as well. But that was kind of the one that I feel like I'm most proud of, let's say yeah,

Dan Ilic  28:32  
as are you gonna say he's become kind of a de facto father figure. Yeah, at the rational fear, we did a similar thing we made like a 12 minute explainer about the constant delay tactics and how the fossil fuels engaged in politics in Australia is basically responsible for getting rid of every single leader who ever wanted to do anything on climate actions. And there was I remember sitting on the beach at Bond I sitting with ash falling on me and just texting people saying we need to make a video we need to get this going. texting

Unknown Speaker  29:08  
you made a great video about this. I remember. I don't remember the name but I had a really good

Dan Ilic  29:13  
Yeah, Tim mentioned that Tim mentioned voice to narrator It was a car Schlegel wrote it and, and we just put it together and I was really good. Are you gonna do more collaborations of that? And so Oh, yeah, of course. Yeah. We'd love to sorry. I'm gonna take over because, you know, things like things like that cost money to make. Yes. Do you know anything about making online content? Right, yeah. So the podcast is kind of the focus of the book because it's cheap. So economic wise, it's a very loaded to the podcast and I can start paying the kids start paying people give them more money, because that was really good. And then some more of a few roughly listening, where should they go to support you? They know, podcasts. Now. Gee, do you have a theory about comedy and change? Do you have a Have an encompassing theory about you know, if you can make people laugh, do you might actually better change things? I don't know, I

Unknown Speaker  30:06  
just do it because it feels, I don't know, comes naturally, as this way of kind of expressing anger and frustration and comedy is a way of doing it that sort of doesn't leave us in a in a sort of a puddle of inaction and sort of the press of, yeah, just inaction paralysis. You know, I feel like laughter takes away fear and emboldens people. And it makes us feel like laughter is also kind of like, it's a really unifying element. Like when we laugh, it's like, we both get that thing, you know. And so it kind of creates a sense of a shared sense of identity of like, yes, this is shit. But we both know, we all know that we're in a situation. And that that can't not be positive for change. Because once you have that kind of group identity, once people understand what should fuckery is, and they bond around concepts or ideas or understandings, you would expect that to, to, to lead to change, but I mean, yeah, I've never theorised that. But I would, I would say, Yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  31:05  
Do you ever find yourself galvanising? Your audience around a particular issue and getting them to do things they do? Figure out dude, cuz you got such powerful audience and you've got such a clued in audience smart audience and you know, that it's huge. Your your footprint online, do you ever figure out, you know, do you have a drive them to actions?

Unknown Speaker  31:26  
We have we have occasionally? Yeah, I mean, you know, we depends on the topic, really, we did a we did a video, for example, about the anti encryption legislation that ended up being voted through by both Houses of Parliament. Surprise, surprise.

Dan Ilic  31:39  
They're listening to this podcast right now.

Giordano Nanni  31:40  
Yeah, great. Good job. There was a senate inquiry submission process where you could submit comments, and so we may easily thought, hey, let's, let's get people to submit comments to this senate inquiry, and then maybe they'll have taken notice of what people are saying. And I think we draw something like 17 or 18,000 submissions to that, you know, that means one example and and, you know, all of those submissions are completely fucking ignored. You know,

Dan Ilic  32:06  
so what you saying is democracy?

Unknown Speaker  32:09  
Yeah. You know, we do we try, and we know, we do push, you know, if there is anything that people can do, or you know, that we feel like there's something practical, we, we sort of encouraged that, you know, but I'm never under any illusion that you can change things with petition or, you know, Senate submission, they're all good things, and we need to do them. But there's no illusion that that's what you know, at the end of the day, we've got to vote, the shitty government out, that's, you know, an elected better one. So I feel like that's really where it counts is in the electoral. And at that point, you know, and all along the way, there are decisions that we can make, you know, to, to lead to that outcome. But that's, that's the, that's the real aim of the videos that we make a few your your videos are incredibly well thought out and very values driven.

Dan Ilic  32:54  
Do you ever have political parties tapping on the shoulder and go, Hey, Joanna, I want to do something about this issue that we would love you to do this to do to help us with this thing?

Unknown Speaker  33:07  
Not really. Let's see, a lot of people think that that's what happens. A lot of people sort of say, yeah, I've had a lot of people saying, Are you paid? You must be paid for by the greens, or sometimes by the Labour Party? For some reason never by the Liberal Party

Dan Ilic  33:21  
degrades can afford your production.

Unknown Speaker  33:23  
But no, I mean, no. I think everyone kind of, I feel like the parties that that would want us to do stuff feel like you know, that we already produced content that sort of supports the the policies and there's no need to waste money on it

Dan Ilic  33:39  
yet. So Clive Palmer, if you please draw down a couple of million dollars to do some pro Galilee basin content. Have you ever heard from people in the corridors of power about how your work may inform the decisions that they're making?

Unknown Speaker  33:53  
No, no, not at all. I'd love to I'd love to be a fly on the wall when some MP or senators watching one of our videos, but no, I've haven't actually no. I mean, that's the dream, right? The dream

Dan Ilic  34:03  
is to have someone go factory that Jason's done a video of this. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  34:09  
I'm pretty sure Susan Lee, environment minister said that when we did a video about the jabber on trees, and we kind of focused on her on her role. I'm very surprised that she hasn't seen that. So I'm just gonna have to imagine it. Somebody did an FOIA request for the juice media. They said, Can you send us all this? Because there was a whole discussion. I don't know if you remember a little while ago, the government sort of started sending us emails about the use of the government logo. Well, they call that a logo I was calling was called a Coronavirus. They just they like corporate motherfuckers it's our logo. And I'm like, What? Okay, anyway, so they call it a logo and they wrote us a letter saying, just come to our attention that you know, you're using our logo in your videos, and we concern that these could be mistaken for real Government Communications in which I nearly spit it out my coffee because I thought it was hilarious. That's, that that's all it takes to confuse real government policies with Data is just the logo. Is that Is that all? It is? Is that how close we are to sort of the reality here? What does it say about the policies? So there must have been a lot of communication going around that that issue before somebody launched the FBI. And it was quite interesting seeing the conversations that's as close as I've gotten somebody, somebody said, in response to the video, which caused this email to be sent out to us. They said something like, Oh, I, you know, this is this must be the latest wave on social media. And it was someone in the department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, I can't remember who, some staffer, and so we put that up on our banner. The next the next wave on social media, I suspect this is pretty much department a Prime Minister and Cabinet Australia government. I

Dan Ilic  35:42  
mean, if you're doing a comedy festival show, that is a great slogan to put on your poster.

Unknown Speaker  35:47  
I put it up there. It's still there on our Twitter banner, it's Yeah, but if you don't know the backstory, you might not know what that is. That That explains why that's up there.

Dan Ilic  35:55  
Now, can you give me a bit of a rundown of your of your work process, like, from ideation to creation to publishing? Like, what does that look like? You know, in terms of your ways of working, how do you put the enormous of what appears to be an enormous amount of content out every year?

Unknown Speaker  36:12  
cocaine is usually the first. Just kidding. Yeah, like, I mean, you know, we don't put out as much content as a lot of other creators pretty much not nearly as much as you put out, or others, you know, in the same. So I've kind of the process that I've gone for is like, I mean, or I mean, like you guys are the chaser and the shovel, and friendly jordiz. You know, whatever the you know, there's, there's, there's very a lot of very prolific commentators on politics, I've kind of gone, we've got a young family, and I'm past the point where I can sort of just smash it out every week or every second week. So we've kind of gone for like, okay, cool, there's a lot of people commentating on stuff on the fly, like as it comes out. And I kind of see that even though we don't know each other personally. So first time we've met, I've met James from the shovel, once, you know, you know, we have a little bit of like, a camaraderie, we're part of a team that's kind of like working individually, sometimes, you know, we cross paths, but generally, we're kind of like working on a similar goal. And I've kind of thought, well, everyone's taken care of the here and now and like, you know, stuff comes out people onto it, you know, straightaway, I'm going to focus a little bit more on sort of broader picture, pick up some issues that get lost along the way, or that maybe aren't as time, you know, sensitive. So we put out a video every month, sometimes two, but usually one and a podcast, you know, so that's, that's the timeframe, the longer time frames, the work process is I spend most of that time just reading and researching and, and talking to people, you know, really experts in, in the fields, everyone discuss, just thinking about, you know, how to approach this topic in a way that's really going to cut through, once the video is written. That's the hardest part. And then that's when the sort of the fun part starts, you know, we will record it. Lucy is my partner does the voice for the for the video. So we get into the booth. That's always fun, because we've got to try and do it between nap, the junos naps, and, and Lucas play play dates and stuff. So that's, that's dance and other dance. And then we get our actors in Zarya and Ellen. And that's always a fun time filming. And then I edited it in a couple of days, maybe three, four days, sometimes with the help of a couple of VFX brands who helps out with VFX. And then we put it out. So that's that's the process really.

Dan Ilic  38:19  
So the production doesn't take up your living room for too long a time I get it, you know, you've kind of worked it out. So it doesn't, you know, take up your life.

Unknown Speaker  38:28  
That's right. Yeah, it takes up about a day or two of the month or you know, longer if we do a couple of videos. And then then the rest of the time this room where we were chatting and it becomes like a playground a rumpus room, you know? Yeah.

Dan Ilic  38:42  
Now, what do you think is the power of subverting a government? What do you think is the secret sauce there? Why do people why are people attracted to that?

Unknown Speaker  38:53  
I don't know. It's irreverent. It's it usurps the voice of this of this government. And I feel like you know, if this government is just has just done so much to erode public trust and confidence, and, and it's just always mincing words and beating around the bush and not really coming, coming in and being honest with people about what it's doing, you know, the rhetoric and the bullshit really is just, it's just a constant charade, really trying to conceal the reality of the policy. So I feel like it's the reason it appeals to people to impersonate this particular government probably all should government's, is that it's just cathartic. It's like a fuck Imagine if that's how this government spoke. Yes, yes, there are pieces of shit but at least they're honest about it. I feel like that would remove the most annoying part of the government this discover that we had at least then they're honest, you know, there's something there's something Qatar they can kind of therapeutic about that I

Dan Ilic  39:56  
think what I'm hearing from you is a smart staffer would tap scope. On the shoulder and said, Actually, we should put out an honest ad that way juice media won't have anything to complain about.

Unknown Speaker  40:06  
It will put them out of business. Yeah. Thirdly, actually, I'm scripting in a video about the electric vehicle policy at the moment. And I've got a line in there. I'm not I'm not sure if I'll use it, but it's something along the lines of, you know, introducing our future fuel strategy. The acronym is ffs, and then the next slide is like, no, that's not a joke. That's part of our strategy and put satirists out of business faqeer the chaser and the shovel and Alice government and she hates, you know, I love the fact that even their acronyms are satirical as like ffs, you know, but yeah, no, they totally should definitely not, not do that. It's very effective. But you know, the I hate I hate this government and its policies, but that what they do is actually very effective that they're very consistent with their with their obfuscation.

Dan Ilic  40:54  
Now, honest government ads is a format you've been doing for some years. Now. Can you remember the first one you did? And you went? Aha, this is a great format. Yeah. And I'm now I'm going to rinse and repeat.

Unknown Speaker  41:05  
We used to do a series called rock news. And we finished that in 2015. And after that, I had this decision to you know, like, Well, what do I do? Do I go back to university? Or do I try and keep doing this YouTube thing? You know, we had no Patreon support at the time. So it was like, you know, do I want a job? Or do I want to be unemployed? That was the basic decision. And I chose the latter. And I'm really glad I did that. But the immediate challenge that I had was like, Well, what am I going to do now we've done rack news. That series was very successful, but it really relied on the collaboration with Hugo, who was the rapper. And so I didn't feel comfortable continuing that didn't feel like that was what was special about that collaboration was the two of us. So although Initially, I thought maybe we could continue, but in the end, I realised I needed to figure out something else. And I experiment with a couple of ideas. I did a few different things. Why

Dan Ilic  41:52  
did that fall apart? was it was it just hard work? And just a lot of work?

Unknown Speaker  41:57  
Yeah. I think, yeah, definitely. It was, I think we got ourselves into a situation where it became not pleasant to do it anymore. You know, I feel like you know, all projects have have all collaborations have that. That window, you know, in which they you have this amazing productivity and you know, things work and then and then they don't and I think for Hugo especially, he wants to do a lot of other stuff. He has got he's incredibly talented guy. And I mean, you should see him do live shows and freestyles is it's kind of really impressive. And he wanted to do a lot more of that. And he didn't have enough time because we got ourselves into this situation, which was we had a contract with RT Russia today to produce content. So we were on a on a on a schedule, and the Russians were quite, you know, strict about you know,

Dan Ilic  42:47  
if you miss a deadline with the Russians,

Unknown Speaker  42:50  
there was a guy who was always CCD now emails cool, called Vladimir. And we had a joke that that was proven that your CCD and all the emails,

Dan Ilic  42:57  
I forgot, I forgot you had a ship with Russia. So

Unknown Speaker  42:59  
yeah, that was another fun thing that happened. Yeah. I mean, that's a whole I'm happy to talk about it. But that's a whole other thing. After after we finished that show, I you know, I was kind of like, what am I gonna do now and had a few different ideas that I tried out. And the third video that I made, was, was a video was a US government at Christmas time. Or at least, I can't remember who the minister was. But they, they pressured UNESCO to remove Australia from the sort of the areas that had been that are under threat from climate change, including the barrier reef, and we got UNESCO to just sort of erase it. And so it's kind of like a typical, like Band Aid solution, let's not fix the reef, so that it's not endangered list, especially UNESCO to not put them on the endangered list of places, you know, and it had an amazing response, like people really loved it. And there was no actor involved. It was just Lucy, we, I think we did in the day, you know, I wrote it. We had a couple of beers, we wrote it, we recorded it, I just pasted a few images together. And the format really resonated with people. And initially, I thought this was, this was, this would be one of the things that we'll do here at the juice media, but people loved it so much. And I realised pretty quickly that we could do so much. I mean, just the Australian government alone provides us so much more material that we can deal with. But then there's other shit governments, you know, I mean, we're constantly getting emails from people in Brazil, and in Canada, specifically, Alberta, in the UK, in you know, so many places, India, that people are saying, like, please, can you make something about, you know, the Ukraine or Hungary, I mean, the list goes on. And I realised and then we could do once about past issues. I mean, I would need three or four lifetimes to, to do all the videos that I would like, you should see my list of,

Dan Ilic  44:33  
you know, play list and get your data so my money guy just made his Patreon.

Unknown Speaker  44:37  
It's not even money, it's time you know, it's that that's the thing it's, that's the limit is, is more time. So it's more like actually more than money. It's like if you're a talented writer and researcher, you know, and you want to help write stuff, get in touch that would help more

Dan Ilic  44:53  
if you're if you're a brain ready to get exploited. Yeah, trail money. Well, I don't think that's out of the question. I'm a very collaborative person. And we've got a Discord server now and comedians who want to be part of a restaurant, chime in with jokes and help help help write the show and give up ideas. And you've got a very thriving conversation about shit fuckery that's happening around Australia. That's a real thrill. You know, I'd like to see all these folks in a virtual writers room. participate. And I don't think there's anything wrong with getting extra brains in because this stuff is hard to do. You know, it's very difficult to do and can be very draining. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. When you started you were a young man. That's right. It's true. Yeah. Let's talk about it for a second. We've both worked for state broadcasters. I've worked for zero in the past. The broadcaster of Qatar and you've worked for it. We've worked for brutal regime. We've worked for broadcasters, yes. Yeah. soft power, they like to call it soft power of hard power. Yeah. How did you find that experience? And what did you do you have any feelings about it now?

Unknown Speaker  46:04  
Yeah, look, I mean, it. Yeah, it was a fascinating experience. It was a really good learning experience. It really forced us to really be organised. And you know, and you know, even though I kind of sort of talked us down a little bit earlier, I think we did a pretty good job actually, of rising to the challenge. It was pretty complicated show that we did rap news. I

Dan Ilic  46:22  
don't know if any of your listeners remember it. Absolutely. Incredible. early days of juice media. incredible stories wrapped in the night, you know, the news wrapped? Yeah, but incredible guest performances from people like Julian Assange and yeah, other folks.

Unknown Speaker  46:37  
Yeah, we are Noam Chomsky and a few others. Yeah. I, it was a really interesting experience. And you know, we weren't, we didn't go into it, naively thinking, Oh, this is just wonderful. We were quite aware of the implications. And, in fact, we didn't sign up, we didn't agree to sign up with it straightaway, they approached us very early on, I think it was like 2010, after we did the very first videos about Wikileaks in 2010, which really helped a lot of people to understand what was happening, who what Wikileaks was, who Julian Assange was, in the very early days in 2010. And so they approached us then, and they were like, oh, would you like to do it? We'll you know, we'll get you to do a show. We'll give you a show on it. And we were like, Yeah, thanks. Like, you know, we really wanted to build our own independent name and brand and voice. And so we didn't want to be absorbed by this giant that which then would just, we would become an arty show. And then they would then maybe spit us out. And then we'd be like, well, that's gone. You know, we want it to be a separate thing. So we said, Yeah, maybe. And then 2011, they were like a new producer, would you know from it would be like, are you still keen? Are you interested in our maybe? And then eventually, in 2013, we said yes. And we then we negotiated for about a year, there was that most hardcore fucking negotiation that I had with, with these Russians about the terms of the agreement, and we were like, really, really strict that it had to work for us, because they were like, Oh, we want a video every they wanted like a, you know, a video every two videos a month, and we're like, You're insane. And we can't do that. And then we're like, okay, video every year. And we're like, we can do 10 videos, because we need time off as well. And then we need full editorial independence. Like, we don't want anyone telling us what we can and can't say the only thing that will censor is the swear words. And you know, we hadn't we had we even negotiated that we would be able to upload to our YouTube channel first, you know, so now let's enter them afterwards. That's a huge day. Yeah. So like, you know, we really kind of like, and we were quite ready to walk away from it. Like if they said they didn't want that they weren't okay with it. We were like, Oh, that's sorry, we're gonna leave it then. But they agreed to all these terms. And, and I have to say to the credit, like they're really respected all of those times, especially they editorial independence, I think everyone thinks that when you work for RT, or possibly AlJazeera, that you're like, you know, there's some person telling you what you can and can't say, or removing words. Actually, the funny thing is, I've had, I've had that happen with Western NGOs that have that I've worked with who've really kind of tried to bully us into what we could and couldn't say, and I've said to them, you know, I'm not going to name them. But I actually said to one of them, I was like, you know, this is fascinating. I've worked with it, you know, Russia's state television, and yeah, over two years, and we never had anyone telling us what you're telling me now over the

Dan Ilic  49:11  
argue I've had more editorial, I had more editorial freedom at AlJazeera than I ever had at the ABC. Let's fix

Unknown Speaker  49:20  
Yeah, let's say something. Yeah. Then Okay, maybe it doesn't even say anything bad about the ABC. But it definitely blows away a lot of the stereotypes that we have about some of these, you know, they've got a call it a soft power. let's not kid ourselves. There's a reason that Artie was interested in. What we're doing is because we're putting out a lot of videos that were critical of us imperialism of US foreign policy, and also domestic policy that was the focus of rap news. So it definitely served the purpose. But it also helped us because what it did is it allowed us to quit our jobs. I mean, I was working part time at uni, and that contract was coming to an end and Hugo was teaching he was teaching he was an English teacher. And it allowed us to fulfil our dream which was to be full time creators, you know? gave us a. It gave us that freedom, you know,

Dan Ilic  50:03  
would you ever do a collab? Now the US government's change? Would you ever do a collab with US government? Say on the on the green New Deal or something like

Unknown Speaker  50:12  
that? Or do you mean with the Biden government? No, no, definitely not. Yeah, I would. That would be the surest way to destroy all the goodwill and independence and the value of the brand that we've created. The I totally know. I mean, like, you know, sometimes if we're going to support what governments are saying, we did a video about the Coronavirus. Last year, just as the pandemic was kicking off, it was mid March. And there was so much confusion, I'm sure you remember, it was like, is it? You know, what, what do we do? Do we, you know, do we wear masks? We wear masks? You know, do we do we take it seriously, don't we? What do we wait, you know, we put out this video, which basically, you know, helped really governments to put out this man, in fact, we put up before the government was able to come up with its own coherent communication strategy. So sometimes we we help governments, you know, in that regard, but I'm not

Dan Ilic  50:58  
many would argue that they still trying to come up with a coherent communication strategy. Absolutely.

Unknown Speaker  51:01  
Yeah, totally. But Sorry, I was just gonna say with with RT, you know, one of the little stories that I think maybe some people appreciate it, but so I think so many people just kind of went under the radar. When we signed up with it, we kind of really realised we'd never spoken about Russia, we've never really, you know, they've been mostly about Australian and US politics. And we were like, okay, now that we're working with RT, we have to talk about Russian politics. So we're very conscious that by entering into this agreement, we also had to turn the critical eye and satirical eye towards them. So we created the Russian character at a time there was a lot of persecution of LGBT people in Russia, probably still is, but at the time, it was a real issue in that there was a prominent, prominent in the media and persecution also of Greenpeace activists up in the Arctic. So those are the some of the issues. And then about two months after we signed this fuckin agreement, Putin invaded Crimea, and we're like, Fuck you, man. Like, seriously, like, now, we can't not talk about this, you know, and I think a lot of people who thought who think that by signing up with it, the juice media was like compromising itself, kind of have to look at that episode that we put out because it was, you know, we impersonated Putin. And we created this character, Russian character who was an RT reporter, and we totally ripped into Putin and RT and, and made and cetera, satirised. You know, Russia's peaceful, so called, in inverted commas, the invasion of Crimea. So yeah, that was, that was some of the stuff that we did to mitigate our concerns around working with this propaganda arm of Russian government was to actually Okay, we'll do this. But we're not we're gonna make Saturday and make fun of you as well. So I feel like it was that was our attempt to balance the two things. And obviously, you

Dan Ilic  52:43  
feel safe being here in Melbourne. I live far away from from the heavies of Russia?

Unknown Speaker  52:51  
Absolutely, I would have been a different story and respect to people who you know, who do the job that we do in countries where, you know, we've seen these comments, it's like, fuck man is someone made that video here in Malaysia or in India? You'd be gone, you know. And that's, that's always worth remembering that the that the freedom that we have in this country to to do this is a wonderful thing.

Dan Ilic  53:09  
Yeah. I made a way the bloody Hawaii video on Manus Island, and I got I got deported deported from Australia. Good as good as it wasn't the other way around. Which is possible. In theory,

Unknown Speaker  53:27  
I guess. I mean, there are Australians locked up on Christmas Island as we spend Britain can strip your citizenship if you have a dual one.

Dan Ilic  53:35  
Yeah. Oh, are you excited about you know, Dutton sending out cease and desist letters and, and threatening people with defamation? Oh, well, I'm just disappointed that I haven't received from you. What's the best? What's the best postal address for that? Most people would have said, You know, I haven't sent one either. I've met someone who has sent them to people on Twitter who said remotely defamatory things about Peter Dutton on Twitter. Are you kidding me? I know. Yeah. What a thin skin. I remember the first time I made a kind of government ad like government ad parody would have been 2006. It was a where the bloody hell are you parody? Right. And I got a cease and desist from Gilbert and Tobin, who are tourism Australia's lawyers, saying that the music that I'd use was exactly the same. But it wasn't because I got my music commission to be a sound alike. And so they asked me to pull it down. Idiots. They asked me to pull it down off my website, and I said the only similarity between my music and your music is the word now, because it was now Nanana. So I said, I've done a do version, a whistle version and a crazy frog remix version. And I've republished that. So you know, it's, um,

Unknown Speaker  54:47  
and what happened in the end? I never heard from him again. But if I see you didn't cease and desist, no, I kept publishing, right.

Dan Ilic  54:57  
But that was the first time that I went on. There's real power in using the tools of propaganda. Yeah against the propagandists. Oh, totally. Yeah, no, absolutely. And they're scared. You know, they're scared enough to send you a letter. Yeah. As a 25 year old kid. That was super exciting to me. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  55:16  
Yeah, totally. Yeah. It's also a reminder that we have really shit copyright laws here in Australia. We don't have a fair use. I mean, in theory, that there is a fair use, exclusion and the Copyright Act, but it's never been tested in court, in court. So I found that about this when we got letters from it wasn't from the government for this. It was from the the writers of the john Phantom song, the voice, right, which we got Julian Assange to parody. So we changed the lyrics. And we've got, you know, we didn't change the music, but we got it. We rerecorded it. So it wasn't the actual song. And we got a session session musician to, to sing. And I just thought, this is this is a parody. It's it's obviously modifying it, it's obviously, it feels the definition of parody. It should should work

Dan Ilic  56:01  
under satire and parody. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  56:03  
Like you would think so. But because of the shitty, untested, fair use clauses here, the publishers were able to sort of put pressure on us and say, Well, you know, we don't agree, we don't agree that that's Saturday, and then what the will the only response you can have is, I will see you in court. And, and, you know, I was like, ready to do it. And I was like, is anyone going to take this on? Because this would be a great. This would set a great precedent, you know, for testing the Fair Use clause in the Copyright Act. Absolutely. In a very public one.

Dan Ilic  56:31  
Yeah. Now, if that happened again today, would you go to court?

Unknown Speaker  56:34  
Yeah, I mean, I think so. I mean, somebody's got to fucking do it. And you know, as long as you've got a good as long as you've got good backing and you know, because you can't afford it yourself, you've got to have shorter

Dan Ilic  56:44  
beer. Yeah, surely I feel like this is a Kickstarter campaign ready to go go fundraising campaign ready to go to test this thing called?

Unknown Speaker  56:51  
No, totally. And it was high profile because it had Julian Assange was impersonating john Farnham. We even got john Farnham he even like said, Yeah, I'm cool with that. It was it was the publishers, you know, they're the gatekeepers that kind of didn't didn't quite see the humour of it kind of thing. So I remember that clip. Did

Dan Ilic  57:07  
you end up seeing the system that when did you end up taking that one down?

Unknown Speaker  57:10  
No, we didn't. But we had to pay them. We had to give them the all the revenue from the video. So we kind of got hijacked by them, you know, and I thought, well, this is sucks, but it meant the video stayed up. You know, that's a Would you say that's a low price to pay. Or I think it's a ship price. Like I shouldn't pay anything for it. But we didn't have anyone. You know, I reached out to people and no one was really keen to take it on. So I was like, what are we gonna do? Yeah, I'm not gonna spend the next five years of my life trying to scramble up pennies to fight a copyright

Dan Ilic  57:40  
thing. Giordano? Thank you so much for the work you do. Thank you so much for the smarts and the funnies over, over a decade's worth of work through grettir a great privilege to have you on the greatest moral podcast of our generation and to do it inside the inner sanctum of where the magic happens inside the bunker in the volcano. Yeah, we live undisclosed location in a Melbourne Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  58:05  
Yeah, no, look, it's been a real pleasure. Thanks for thanks for taking the time. It's, it's like I said, we're part of like, a bit of a network a bit of a family. Yeah, exactly. So

Dan Ilic  58:14  
a comedy come out. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  58:15  
sounds really nice. And I appreciate it. And I can't believe that it's been 10 years. It's, yeah, I always started doing this as a as something fun and something that might be you know, something to get a bit of a release and was been a bit of a class clown. So I thought it was like, you know, something to sort of keep that, that alive. And it's, it's a privilege to be able to do it. You know, and thanks to you also, for the work that you do with irrational fear. You know, really, I think we're all helping in some small way to unfuck things. So

Dan Ilic  58:45  
that's beautiful. And that's, that's now my personal quote. JOHN Fox thinks juice media. Thanks, Jay. Well, that was your dad. What do you think of Joe Dad? I

Linh Do  58:54  
love it. I love when someone's like, awesome on video. And then like also in podcast, as well. So like, I understand how these juice media videos get made.

Dan Ilic  59:03  
Yeah. Giordano, I had the privilege of you know, we recorded that inside your danos house in his studio, where he records every single one of those fake

Linh Do  59:13  
magic happen. Yeah,

Dan Ilic  59:14  
yeah. And he's got this. He's got this green screen, he rolls out for it. And there's cards, there's like, kids have got like crayon drawings all over the walls. It's just amazing. So it's a very homemade scrappy operation. And he but he has so much rich. Love it. Next up is rod contact. He's an absolute legend. But like we said, it's a little depressing. So I understand if you switch off, Rod, first of all, thanks very much for joining us, the greatest model podcast of our generation. To invite me not just anyone gets to come on this is this is a podcast where we talk to climate leaders from around the world, just for you know, half an hour or so about, you know, leading people in climate and I can't think of anyone better to talk to than right now during comedy festival season then yourself. I remember Doing a panel with you about satire and politics at the Paramount of Riverside theatre sometime I know probably 2008 2009, with which the great drum pinda organised. And I remember you saying one line that really stuck with me ever since. And it was that you have changed the entire way you do comedy, in that it's all about climate change, because there's nothing else to do jokes about. And I thought that would be the great place to start. because ever since you said that line, I've been feeling exceedingly guilty about the kind of jokes I'm telling, and have progressively made them mostly about climate change. You're

Unknown Speaker  1:00:36  
a good man, Dan, you're a good man. Talk me through that journey. In 2007, I got what used to be called the Keating, a Australia council fellowship, which I had a choice of doing over one year or two years part time, and I chose to two years. And the idea of that programme was that in 2008, I was going to be 60 years old. So I thought what I wanted to do was a project that looked at the world. From the day I was born until 2008. It wasn't autobiographical in any way, it was just to look at how the worlds evolved over that time. And I'm a very literal person. So I did it chronologically. And around, I got to 1973 I think it was the great oil shock. And I realised then that we were extraordinarily vulnerable to problems with oil, particularly running out of it. But I also started to see references to climate change. So I got really interested in that. And I have an extraordinary admiration for science, my hobbies, generally reading about science or mathematics, and neither of which I can do that I can read about them. And as I read about it, and I just read about it, and I just read about it, I just saw that it was an extraordinarily overwhelming problem and existential threat, which is now you know, in a within a year or so I worked out that we're heading for those six major extinction. And in 2008, I really thought well, what you got to do is tell people that the climate is changing, and it's a really big problem. So it wasn't

Dan Ilic  1:02:35  
an eight that was that seems as as not not so long ago. That seems like a time before this kind of reach desired. Guys, you were very much ahead of your time. And I think for talking about this, you know, within the general population, you said your impression

Unknown Speaker  1:02:50  
of that. And it remains what it was then it's just another item in the news. Okay, it gets it gets overwhelmed by Prince Harry going back to England, gets overwhelmed by buddy Franklin's groyne and flubs here. And very few. Very few commercial interests, in their news coverage have mentioned climate change as a factor in weather disasters,

Dan Ilic  1:03:20  
98% of Australia's foreigner might have gone extinct, but there was a footballer that passed in a dog's mouth. So it's actually really focus on that.

Unknown Speaker  1:03:29  
I've stopped blaming anybody or mad I blame the people who know when deliberately obfuscate. But the other side of it is that it's not just climate change, it's a systemic problem. It's the way we live, and it's the way we consume. And it's the way that the propaganda of capitalism keeps lulling us into thinking that infinite growth is possible on a finite planet. And so there's no I've given up, we're gonna we're gonna have a mass extinction. It's going to become unlivable in parts of Australia in the very near future, because nobody's doing anything, even the countries like Germany or, or and I think of another one that might be doing something and not doing enough. And because really, what you have to do as a policymaker, in dealing with climate change is you've got to say to people, you've got to have less. And politics is really based on telling people they can have more. And the first person that says you've got to give up your V eight Holden for a car that just go and doesn't go. Those people are not happy with the idea of transitioning to a low carbon economy. And we now probably have to reduce our economic output by more than 10% a year to reach any sort of feasible goal by 2030. And that's just not going to happen. So I'll look into why I still do stuff about climate change. Nobody wants to hear it. So I don't get many bookings.

Dan Ilic  1:05:09  
Well, that was my that was my question like, how did you? How did you feel when you made this kind of commitment to do this back in, you know, oh, eight? How did you feel about the rest of your comedy career?

Unknown Speaker  1:05:23  
Well, look, I've always done stuff that's been, as Andrew bolt labels me, I've always been a far left comedian. Most people aren't interested in politics, people don't know enough about politics for you to make really sophisticated jokes about it either. I remember I was doing a show many years ago about, well, just about politics in general. But a woman came up to me after the show, and she said, I love your shows, because it means I don't have to read the newspapers for a year. And that's what I do. I mean, it's probably what you do you read things that the general public don't read, you follow stories, and issues in a way that people who go to work nine to five, and then find the cheapest cocktails in central Sydney, don't have time to do. So that's what I did. And because of, you know, personal issue for my family's health, I don't get to get out much anyway. So I just tracked myself down this horrible rabbit hole, which I'd never really wish I'd never gone down. And at the beginning, back in 2007 2008, when I started introducing climate change, and the Limits to Growth into what I was doing, I really did think it was just a matter of telling people. And I chose, I'm not a writer I've made I never write a show. So it's difficult for me to paint a 10,000 word essay about climate change, although I've tried,

Dan Ilic  1:06:51  
I don't know about that, right. I've been to plenty of your shows. And I can see the amount of writing you do during the show.

Rod Quantock  1:06:59  
my hard drive, I got a terabyte of stuff on climate change everything from a wonderful programme that David Attenborough did in 2006, on climate change, telling us exactly what I've been telling you now, never shown in Australia, and nobody paid any attention in the countries where it was shown. And then I saw all these scientists who are writing popular articles in magazines and newspapers. And I thought, well, that territory is pretty much covered. And it doesn't seem to make any difference. And I, one of the things I thought at the time is you can't, you can't change people's minds in five minutes. And you can't even change their minds in an hour. If you really, really need to get them to commit to understanding what you're talking about. And very few people do that. I look, I know. Like, I've made a few climate change friends over the years who share my despair. But we've stopped talking about it to each other. So it's got to that level, I mean, I still need to make a living. And if I'm going to go and talk to people, I'll talk about climate change and peak oil. And you know, the fact that 96% of all animals on the planet now today are either humans or the animals they ate. It said, we have so overshot the limits of the planet. And there's just no way back. So, look, it's really distressing. I had a time there about six or seven years ago, when I thought, Well, look, this is the problem. All the people I talked to and you know, you don't buy tickets to a show that you're tech What are now about so that people who can, you know, down the path. But what I saw was a lot of great, good, wonderful people who were basically giving all their spare time, and a lot of their personal wealth to trying to transition to a carbon neutral economy. And I knew it wasn't going to happen. And I knew they were wasting their time. So I tried to redirect their energies in if you like, not into changing the global economy, not into changing the Australian economy, not even changing the Victorian economy. But to find ways to live sustainably within small groups, which is that's the future that's what's going to happen. And if you can't live sustainably within small group, if you remain dependent on the system that's crumbling, you going to die is just going to die and the next pandemic. I had a job at Melbourne University for two years back in 16 and 17, I think, as a research fellow, and I did a lot of following, and I did a lot of researching. And I sort of got to the point where I didn't want to know wedding more. I knew too much But I did produce, it's not finished ever, I've never get finished because I'm not a writer. But I did produce a long form document, which included predictions for the period 2018 to 2030. And one of the things I predicted in that back in 2017 was a global pandemic, viral pandemic in 2023. Now, why, well, if you do the reading, you don't have to be, I'm not a genius. I'm just somebody who reads a lot and has, particularly my admiration for the scientific method is overwhelming. But it's like everything that humans do, and has a has a dark side with that prediction.

Dan Ilic  1:10:47  
What What were the steps that led you to that prediction? What were the things that you concluded that, you know, 2023, roughly, would be when a global pandemic would have?

Unknown Speaker  1:10:56  
Well, this was, I can't remember when SARS was. But there had been a number of diseases which had passed rapidly the mainly because of aeroplane travel that had passed rapidly into a global environment. And so I, you know, I read about that, as one of the problems we faced and the literature I read just said that this is going to happen, it's going to happen very quickly. And there will come a strain, which is COVID. And there'll be worse than COVID to come. Because viruses are very clever. So it just, I apologise for being three years out. But for anybody who who did the work that I did that perceived logical conclusion of where we were heading in terms of these things. And then other things like, you know, they bushfires of last year, I sort of left that a bit open in terms of when it would happen, but I knew that was going to happen within a few years as well, because that's, you know, the great thing about science is that you stand on this on the shoulders of giants. And each little increment that you make, to their understanding can then be you can project in ways that you can't project with the financial market for in Germany can take a gamble on saving at Amazon stock to buy. But in terms of climate change, it's a very simple equation, carbon dioxide in the atmosphere causes the temperature to rise, and the more you put in, the higher the temperature will go, which changes the whole weather patterns of the globe. And it also, much more slowly changes the patterns of oceans. So do you might remember the group called 350 dot org? Did you ever get

Dan Ilic  1:12:54  
to see a dog started by Bill McKenna?

Unknown Speaker  1:12:57  
That's right. And it was 350 was the maximum amount of co2 in the atmosphere before we hit a tipping point?

Dan Ilic  1:13:07  
350 parts per million? Yeah.

Unknown Speaker  1:13:09  
Now, it turns out that that was only a sort of nice round number to call something, you know, if you wanted to run an organisation, I mean, you know, 312 point five.org just doesn't matter. So it was an approximation. And they were wrong to think 350 parts per million wasn't a problem. But they had to start somewhere. And now I didn't look I've stopped looking, but we're probably close to 420 parts per million at the moment of historic or certainly in terms of human evolution, a historic baseline of around 280 parts per million. So we're so far over the scale. And you can see, you know, with the floods that you have in Sydney, and people in Queensland have experienced it in the cyclone on the other side. And now they're bushfire alerts in South Australia today. It's just gone crazy. The weather's just gone crazy. And if you live near the coast, don't. I mean, that's all I can say. But you know, those things of rising sea level, which come with thermal expansion of the oceans and melting of ice caps, and so on. Those now we're pushing salt water up into rivers that never had salt in them before. And they're pushing salt into arable land that didn't have salt on it before. And, you know, it's no mystery, you know, no accident that the Romans when they conquered somebody salted the land, to make sure that no other people could use that land to build an opposition to the Roman Empire. So it's everything. It's just everything. So, you know, I like I have days where I, I think I shouldn't talk to people about this. Because what's the point of fatal knowing? Is it better to just eat, drink and be married? But it's something that, I think certainly, I remember an article by Andrew bolt, I don't really have any more press, he gives me an ulcer. But he was talking about Tim Flannery talking about sea level rise of a metre by 2100. And the line he had in it was trading 100, long after we'll be dead. Was that lack of any empathy for generations yet to come? And you saw it? Again, I did read a bit of Bob during a pandemic, and you would have saved ended America, people saying, Well, the only people who die are old people. And Andrew bolt actually had a statistic that said, the average length of stay of an elderly person in a care home is nine months. So really, what's nine months with less on your life, when you write your nine terrible, so let's keep the economy going. And these are the people have to pay the price for the younger people. You know, if you stand in the way of a man and these profits, he'll crush you. And that's what's happened with the climate debate.

Dan Ilic  1:16:11  
This is a really strange kind of attitude to have. It's only really realised that conservatives, the only thing they're conserving is their money. But that's the only thing.

Unknown Speaker  1:16:24  
Very strange word to use for them. But say these are the people who are buying bunkers and fortresses in New Zealand. These are people who think they can buy their way out of any problem.

Dan Ilic  1:16:34  
This kind of does this speak to your your idea of living within small groups, as opposed to on your own or in the big systems earlier?

Unknown Speaker  1:16:44  
My there are people who literally do live on their own. And I'm sure there's, you know, 10s of 1000s of them around the world who have chosen that path. And they've been I did look at the sort of utopian sort of 6070 ideas of communes, but they never lost because people are people. And that, that's the overarching problem. The if, if I die, or when I go, I shouldn't say if we haven't died, I want to have put in the Oxford Dictionary of quotes. Rod Quantock said, the problem with people is they're only human. And that's the problem is people you know, we were malleable, where we've got why oregano crackles and breaks. And, you know, we just started there. There's no other species on the planet that has such a diversity of mood, temperament, and, and lust and greed and the seven deadly sins. You just never see a greedy lion. You see a lion, they've had enough to eat and they go to sleep. So we are the problem. And it's been a battle. It's a philosophical battle that goes back to the very beginnings of humans, the battle to understand where we sit in all of this, and what our obligations are to each other and to the surrounds. And the one book I always recommend to people is a book by a guy named Daniel Quinn, who wrote a book called ish my L. and ish, my L. My buddy had too much that, that Ishmael is ends up being a sort of psycho Socratic Socratic dialogue between a captive gorilla and writer who's sort of wondering why the world's fact and should he try and fix it or button he do. And it's a dialogue about humans place in nature. And Quinn draws a line between two ways of living with the advent of agriculture. Basically, prior to that people did live in small groups, they didn't fight much because everybody knew everybody else in the working group had a way of dealing with people that like Aboriginal people laughed at, in their sort of traditional way of living. They'd laugh at people who did things I disagreed with the humiliation with laughter, replacement head ways of dealing with it, but what agriculture did, first of all, it formalised the ownership of land and prior to that nobody owned anything, they shared it with everything else. And then it developed systems to protect their ownership. Because an acre of land given over to crops can support a lot more people than 10 square miles of the equivalent amount of crops. Population started to aggregate and accumulate and grow. And then of course, you needed hierarchies because there were people in that community that you never saw that could come around and kill you tomorrow. So there were systems of law and systems and politics and higher Rocky and, and of course religion came into it. So there just was that time when we went from being part of nature to trying to control nature. And that's what we've done ever since. You know, I live next door to people will ask growing up. He used to he used to back in the lawn. Like as I go out, and rather than rake the leaves, I'd actually vacuum them up. And I made a blow up. Yeah. air conditioning is another way of how we've tried to control nature. I mean, everything we do is to keep nature at bay. It's just it's a place that frightens and terrifies us. And but it's also a place to exploit. And we've done that, you know, to the ultimate peril of the planet. It's really sad. And look, I at different times, I tried to float above at all and try to be that wise fool that looks down on you all it goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, look at you silly little Lance. But your cat, you're in it, you're part of it. And so as I said, I don't put any much more time into studying these things. Because I'm only learning what I already know. I'm not being arrogant with this. But I think the one thing I bring to what I do always is some sort of intellectual honesty, I suppose. And I've always tried. Yeah, there came a time in my comedy career not very, not done. Not really, since the 60s, have I done comedy that autobiographical. I'm not interested in my relationships as a public event. I've not interested in my family. As a public event. I'm not interested in lots of things as a public event. But I'm interested in public events as something to talk about. And I've finally got to the point where I realised that comedy is a tool.

Unknown Speaker  1:22:06  
And that it is a privilege to be able to get up in front of now six people but what used to be five or 600 people and talk to them using comedy as as sort of sugarcoating about things that are really important.

Dan Ilic  1:22:23  
When you were doing climate comedy. What was what made you feel the best, like when you were doing the comedy? What what kind of gave you a sense of either progress or change or achievement. Can you remember a moment?

Unknown Speaker  1:22:39  
Not a moment I as I said, I talked to the converted. So in one way, it was a safe space for me to do this up. But I used to do corporates, I used to do corporate stuff before they woke up to me. And I did of all things I did a conference for plumbing suppliers. Right? So I talked to them about water and climate change. I talked to them about urban fabric and climate change. I talked to them about plastics and climate change. I talked to them about it. And like I think I'm a reasonably good comedian. And I did make them laugh. But I did make him think and a few of them did come up to me afterwards and talk to me about it, and are great. So, you know, it would have floated out of their mind by now I'd imagine. But in that moment, they did get the feeling that you've done something positive and good.

Dan Ilic  1:23:36  
Did you ever did you ever think when you started doing climate comedy that you could make a difference?

Unknown Speaker  1:23:41  
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I, I my first thought with it all is as I said, you can't change people's mind in five minutes. You can't change people's minds if I told that the the extraordinary flooding that you've had up there in the last few weeks is contributed to by a large degree. And I would think within a week or two scientists will tell us exactly what proportion of that rain was generated by climate change. Just doesn't add up for people until it even if it hits your own door. I mean, I've seen people in America standing in the rubble of you know, Katrina or hurricane Harvey or those things saying I don't believe in climate change. And they're the same sort of people who say I don't believe in the Coronavirus. It's just too difficult. So, so I thought the only way to do it is in some sort of long form way and making it personal. realise there's nothing like a live performance or television never there particularly in terms of comedy never carries that extraordinary feeling that an audience and you as a performer get from being in the same room. But yeah, all I do now, fortunately, is I scared they Okay, I used to get bookings in high schools. And I did do a primary school, which was great fun, but I did a high school be 10 or 12 years ago now. And my mother contacted me afterwards. And she said, we have Dare you tell my son, we're all going to die. And I thought at one level, well, somebody's got to tell him, but at the other level, What right have I got? But I've tried to hide people. Well, it's a it's a,

Dan Ilic  1:25:32  
is it? Is it people like this that discourage you from doing it? Or is it? Is it something else?

Unknown Speaker  1:25:38  
No, like, what do you what discourages me is that even if the whole world turned around today, it's over. Just, it doesn't matter how much you cut carbon emissions with 400 and say, 20 parts per million today, and it goes up, you know, it seems insignificant, but it goes up two or three parts per million every year. And it just rockets along, you know, and, and, but there's a lag, there's a lag between the molecule of carbon dioxide entering the atmosphere, and in its capacity to fully express the energy it's catching. So that's quite a lag, it's, and getting carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere is short of some technological miracle, which I can assure you will never appear, it's going to take 1000s of years to get the climate back to what it was, and then many, many 1000s of years for life to evolve in that new stable climate. And by then there's probably going to be another Ice Age. So you know, we had one shot at what's called the Holocene, the Goldilocks era of life on this planet to only geological period and four and a half billion years that has said, a stable climate at this global average temperature of 13.7 degrees Celsius in the history of the planet. And it just turns out that it's ideal for humans, we are the size we are, we are the shape we are, our metabolism works the way it does, because of this climate that we have. And the the way we ate the way we lived, everything is based on that underlying stable temperature. And you know, each degree it goes up Mira, you said something earlier about how many species have gone extinct? It's, you know, it's 100 a day or whatever. People don't know, because we still don't know everything that there is in nature. And a lot of it, we'll never know, because it's already gone. And we didn't notice it was there in the first place. So So I've had this sort of moral ethical dilemma as to what right do I actually have to tell people that this is going to happen, and there's nothing you can do about it. And I've tried tried really, really hard to find what you can do about it. And I came down to small groups of people living away from other groups of people, particularly people with guns, and existing sustainably.

Dan Ilic  1:28:25  
13 years ago, Rod, you inspired me to do more comedy about climate change. Sorry, Dan. Now, and now I'm inspired to go join a commune. So thank you.

Unknown Speaker  1:28:36  
No, that's a pleasure. But look, clearly there are things that maybe keep kept talking about. But do you think your pessimism stems from you know, what

Dan Ilic  1:28:46  
you've learned plus where you are in your life? No, no, no, because I because I feel like I feel like without that said, A disrespectful, I've got a few more. I've got a few I've got a bit more of a longer runway ahead of me that you do. So I have to remain hopeful.

Unknown Speaker  1:29:00  
Yeah, no, no, I understand that. It's not, I'm not pessimistic in the sense that you mean it and not being in any way superior to anybody else. When I say this. I'm just being realistic. And my one regret is I have a credible curiosity. My one regret is I won't be around to see what happens. On my land level. I don't want to be that at the other level. And I don't know whether it's an I told you so attitude for quite sure. But, you know, what we're looking at is in geological terms, were looking at something never happened before that one species has managed to change the entire nature of the planet. In a very short space of time. I mean, literally, but 1750 the beginning of the Industrial Age and the burning of coal From that time on, we have managed to destroy most of what's valuable. You know, I personally feel sorry for as David Attenborough because, you know, how could you do a show about nature when there's no nature left, but are made and you can see and him something that what I have is that hope, or hate the word Hope you're hoping for something stupid. But anyway, that hope that, you know, something, you say, may trigger a switch that that makes changes. But yeah, you know, so I've put, I'll put my life and soul into this for the last more than 15 years, I suppose now, not disappointed because I didn't have a lot of faith in humanity to begin with. And that's, I suppose the problem and that came out of part of that research I did for the Australia council fellowship. I was born in 1948 1948 was a year that Israel became a nation at the expense of the teleste Indians. That is still a Festering Wound 73 years later, 72 years later, or whatever it is, 73 years later, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was declared that year, that's my not a jot of difference. Velcro was invented in 1948. And that has revolutionised the shoe industry. But there was that period, just immediately after the Second World War was in a way that most devastated but most optimistic generation, my mother lost her husband in the war and married my father, after the war. That was when things like welfare came in, in England nationalisation of industries, a genuine attempt to reward the ordinary people who'd suffered through that war, with a share of the good life that was coming, you know, and the average manager of business made seven times more than the average worker in that same business today, they make I think, it's more than 70 times on average do earns real wages haven't gone up for 3040 years or something. And yet the wealth of the wealthy is so concentrated that now I think three people now own half of the wealth of the world. And that's not what my parents invested their lives in achieving. And the 60s was that their children rebelled against consumerism, and they rebelled against, obviously, the Vietnam War. But they had ideals which have been crushed out of favour now they've, and it's been done at an industrial scale, though, the use of propaganda, marketing, PR, psychology, you know, there's not a toy in the world today that isn't designed by psychologists, you know, everything is is aimed at your behaviour, everything you think and do is harvested in some way, by somebody who could then just press particular buttons in new that you will respond to. And I think last time I read the lady need eight data points to work out your sex, your race, your income, level, your age, and God knows what else. And you know, you know, I'm you know, I'd like everybody else. If you don't turn up, you turn off your pop up blocker, you suddenly start to get things that seem very interesting to you, because they deliberately they're because they're interesting to you. We recommend this people who'd like this also like that, and

Dan Ilic  1:33:54  
yeah, there was a there was a case of that story in the US where a local target sent a teenage girl, a whole catalogue on baby stuff. And her parents found out and because the target knew that she was pregnant before she did.

Unknown Speaker  1:34:12  
Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, so how do you know when, when the traditional media is so corrupted, when politicians are corrupted, when the internet only takes you where they know you're opposed to where you want to go? And they everybody's a prisoner now, they know too much about us. And, you know, they're Freud. I blame Freud at all Freud felt upset enough.

Dan Ilic  1:34:50  
Row rod, thank you so much. I really appreciate the healthy dose of realism that you've given us. The greatest moral podcast of our generation, gender, Have a more positive forum generally a more hopeful podcast, but not this one. You know, you've restored the balance show today. Let me ask you as someone who I look up to, and it's been a mentor of mine, and what do you think I should do with my comedy skill set? Well, with what I have to offer, do you think I should even bother continuing? Or is there something else I should be doing? Well,

Unknown Speaker  1:35:26  
look, I guess it comes down to the fact that you'd need to, you need to think you're doing something. And so I mean, I, you know, without getting to mutually backslash B, I really admired you because of the path that you've taken with your comedy. So lucky. I haven't given up in the sense that I don't continue to try and talk to people and make people see what's going on. But as I said, you know, you can now wherever you live, we go to the Bureau of Meteorology, or the CSI row, and I'll tell you how much rainfall you're going to get in 20 years time. I'll tell you how, how much the average temperature where you live, will go up in 20 years time. It'll tell you, I used to think Tasmania was the place to go. But Tasmania is future isn't great. So I, I recommended What was the name of it. So southernmost town on the southern island of New Zealand, but I told too many people about real estate prices have gone up. So I want to go there. Look, there are places but where you are isn't the place. You know, if you're in a high rise building that depends on air conditioning, and mechanical ventilation, and a lift, you're not going to stay there, you can't live there. You can't expect, you know, the pizza delivery boy to climb 18 flights of stairs to give me a paycheck because he can't be bothered going out to buy the ingredients, or everything, just everything will be different to what it is today. And, you know, to get people to understand that is, you know, it's an important first step. And that's why I did the thing, the Tim jam, I really tried to make it personal. And that's why, you know, I'm gonna tell you what you should do or how to do it. But it's about making it personal. It's about taking it away from you know, polar bears will become extinct the ice capsule now, it's not personal to people. Everybody's got a DVD of David Attenborough standing next to a polar bear. And that's all they'll ever know about polar bears. And I'll always have the DVD if they if they ever want to see a polar bear. I forget who said it, but like I think it was it was a science, climate scientists or science communicator or activists who said people are gonna start really caring when the footpath start melting. Yes. Right in

Dan Ilic  1:37:55  
the town you're thinking of I think that's Invercargill. Yeah. McCargo it's, it's got the best name in New Zealand Invercargill. Yes.

Unknown Speaker  1:38:04  
Lovely and it's a little town and very, very remote. I keep telling people in small country towns if they've got an ANZAC Memorial with a cannon in it, clean it up and pointed back down the road towards Melbourne because when people start fleeing is a last resort anyway. And if

Dan Ilic  1:38:21  
we saw that we we saw that during the pandemic is a pandemic hit the cities Iran hit the countryside. Yep,

Unknown Speaker  1:38:28  
absolutely. And toilet paper that make your own toilet. Oh, yeah, there's an idea. I've got to never worked out a way of monetizing my concerns but but maybe

Dan Ilic  1:38:43  
you could do a masterclass on how to make toilet paper. So that online

Unknown Speaker  1:38:47  
Yeah, please don't use poison ivy if you get stuck.

Dan Ilic  1:38:52  
Rod, thank you so much for joining us on the greatest moral podcast of our generation. It's always it's always even though you may you may think you're being a realist for me, it was absolute joy. Good idea. Bless you then bye. And that's it for the greatest moral podcast of our generation. big thank you to the Bertha Foundation, road mics, all of our Patreon supporters and also please come along to our bigger shows and our New Castle show and later on our Melbourne and Sydney shows. June five in Newcastle June 13 and bigger June 24 in Sydney and July 10 and 11 in Melbourne. Of course inshallah, I mean, who knows what Melbourne's gonna be like,

Linh Do  1:39:34  
we don't want to be in town state potentially either. It's a time so. Yeah.

Dan Ilic  1:39:41  
I mean, this is we are recording this on Thursday, Thursday morning. Do we know how long the press conference is gonna be? Is it going to be locked down? What's your bed?

Linh Do  1:39:50  
Having come from like, what was it 112 days of lockdown last year, five days is nothing. So that's what it takes. Five days versus 100.

Dan Ilic  1:39:58  
Thanks for listening. Thanks. subscribing. Let us know how you feel about this podcast on iTunes with a five star review or four star, you know, whatever. Thanks a lot, fiver

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