Joe and Tom talk to a man who’s written some of the biggest pop songs of all time. He’s worked with the Spice Girls, Kylie Minogue, Lady Gaga, and had six Christmas number ones, but he’s also one of the loveliest people we’ve ever met.

His name is Biff Stannard, he’s a songwriter, and he's here to tell us what makes a hit.

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