Adam Back (https://x.com/@adam3us) is the legendary cypherpunk whose early work on Hashcash inspired Satoshi Nakamoto's Whitepaper on Bitcoin. Fast forward 16 years and the next evolution of money is in the equity markets with Bitcoin treasury companies and Adam is heavily involved both as an investor but also as a founder and financial product engineer with the BTCTC, the Bitcoin Standard Treasury Company (BSTR). Adam joins Richard in the studio to discuss his early days on the cypherpunk scene, his interest in trading, his BTCTC metric months to mNAV cover and his own foray into the space with BSTR.