Leon Wankum is a professional real estate developer and a prolific writer and thinker on Bitcoin, Real Estate, Philosophy and Ethics. **He currently shares his thoughts and musings via his Substack and articles in Bitcoin Magazine.

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00:00 - Introduction to Bitcoinization

02:00 - Understanding Bitcoinization and Hyper Bitcoinization

07:00 - Milestones in Bitcoinization

14:15 - The Role of Bitcoin in the Fiat System

16:01 - Bitcoin as a Natural Hurdle Rate

24:48 - Pristine Collateral and Its Implications

32:04 - The Future of Value Creation with Bitcoin

34:14 - The Impact of Bitcoin on Human Aspirations

38:01 - Time, Space, and Spiritual Growth

38:52 - Bitcoinization: A Path to Human Flourishing

43:49 - Navigating the Transition from Fiat to Bitcoin

45:30 - Real Estate vs. Bitcoin: The Future of Collateral

53:14 - Bitcoin as Legal Tender: A New Monetary Paradigm

58:34 - The Convergence of Bitcoin and AI

EPISODE SUMMARYIn this conversation, Bram Kanstein and Leon Vanco explore the implications of Bitcoinization, its potential to redefine value storage, and its impact on traditional financial systems and real estate. They discuss the gradual process of Bitcoin adoption, the milestones that signify its growth, and the interplay between Bitcoin and AI. The discussion emphasizes the importance of Bitcoin as a superior store of value and its role in shaping a more optimistic future for society.

Danny Baer is the Director of Wealth & Asset Management at Meanwhile, a financial services company built for the Bitcoin economy. Danny has worked in the broader digital asset space for the past three years, with the most recent two years focused exclusively on Bitcoin.

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00:00 - From TradFi to Bitcoin: A Journey of Discovery

06:07 - Building a Bitcoin-Only Future: Life Insurance Innovations

11:53 - Bitcoin as Money: A Paradigm Shift in Thinking

17:47 - Institutional Adoption: The Growing Appetite for Bitcoin

33:35 - The Impact of Monetary Policy on Inflation

41:52 - Understanding Bitcoin Among Wealthy Individuals

54:52 - The Intersection of Longevity and Financial Planning

Max Kei is the CEO of Debifi and has over 15 years of hands-on experience in finance and technology, with expertise in building non-custodial Bitcoin tools. His work ranges from peer-to-peer retail trading to enterprise lending solutions.

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00:00 - Aha Moments in Bitcoin

05:10 - Understanding Bitcoin's Responsibility

11:17 - The Essence of Bitcoin

17:52 - Bitcoin's Evolution and Adoption

18:46 - DebiFi: Bitcoin-Backed Lending Explained

38:05 - Understanding Bitcoin Loans and Market Dynamics

40:04 - Navigating Regulatory Challenges in Bitcoin Finance

44:49 - The Importance of Nation-State Adoption

49:42 - The Strategic Advantage for Smaller Nations

55:07 - The Role of Governments in Bitcoin Mining

58:39 - Personal Growth Through the Bitcoin Journey

01:04:20 - The Future of Bitcoin and Mass Adoption

01:11:41 - Core Beliefs in the Bitcoin Community

Chris Sullivan is an asset manager with a background in algorithmic portfolio allocations, risk management, equity, futures, market making, and derivatives trading.

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00:00 - Introduction to Economic Illiteracy

04:58 - The Broken Incentives of Modern Money

10:06 - Trust vs. Force in Currency

17:56 - Historical Examples of Trust-Based Money

21:52 - The Importance of Property Rights

26:53 - Comparing Modern Systems to Historical Empires

34:34 - Bitcoin as a Catalyst for Change

38:39 - Centralization and Its Consequences

42:37 - Awakening and the Role of the Individual

48:35 - The Battle for Ideas and Freedom

49:30 - The Importance of Local Cultures

50:27 - The Historical Context of Economic Systems

51:42 - Bitcoin as a Technological Expression

53:36 - The Role of Government and Regulation

55:27 - The Spiritual Battle for Humanity

57:33 - The Path to Rebellion and Change

01:00:40 - The Future of Bitcoin and Human Agency

01:04:37 - The Future Outlook for Bitcoin

01:06:22 - The Importance of Rebellion Against Tyranny

Over the past year, I’ve interviewed over 100 people about Bitcoin.

What I’ve learned goes far beyond price action. Bitcoin is reshaping how people think about money, freedom, and even life itself. In this bonus episode, I share the 7 biggest insights from 100+ hours of conversations, in 9 minutes.

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Ralph Gebran is the Managing Partner at Onramp MENA, where he leads the charge in introducing Bitcoin to the Middle East and North Africa. With over a decade of experience in traditional finance, Ralph has successfully transitioned his expertise in sales, marketing, and client relations into the dynamic world of Bitcoin.

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00:00 - Bitcoin's Emergence in the MENA Region

09:02 - Regulatory Framework and Economic Diversification

18:20 - Bitcoin Mining and Energy Dynamics in the GCC

31:51 - Understanding Bitcoin's Role in Inflationary Economies

34:45 - Cultural Narratives: Bitcoin vs. Gold

36:55 - The Challenges of Bitcoin Self-Custody

38:35 - Misconceptions About Bitcoin in the Middle East

41:02 - Bitcoin as a Hedge Against the US Dollar

45:20 - Geopolitical Shifts and Bitcoin's Future

50:08 - The Growth Potential of Bitcoin in the Region

Nik Bhatia is the founder of The Bitcoin Layer, a bitcoin and global macro research firm and author of the #1 bestselling book Layered Money. He is an Adjunct Professor of Finance at USC Marshall School of Business, where he teaches separate courses on fixed income and bitcoin.

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00:00 - Understanding Money and Bitcoin's Role

03:02 - The Education Gap in Financial Literacy

05:56 - The Impact of Inflation on Young Adults

08:38 - Teaching Economics from a Practical Perspective

09:49 - The Intersection of Economics and Social Science

10:36 - Bitcoin vs. Credit Expansion

13:10 - The Future of Money and Bitcoin's Place

15:40 - Deflation, Growth, and the Credit System

18:24 - Imagining a New Monetary Landscape

24:31 - The Shift Towards Bitcoin as a Lifeline

26:17 - Understanding the U.S. Debt Situation

30:22 - Bitcoin's Role as a Store of Value

36:12 - The Misconceptions Around Bitcoin

40:33 - Political Engagement and Bitcoin's Future

44:29 - The Role of Lending in Bitcoin's Proliferation

46:53 - Challenges Ahead for Bitcoin

49:09 - Core Beliefs and Family Values

Tad Smith is the former CEO of Sotheby’s and The Madison Square Garden Company. Tad is a partner in the leading crypto growth equity firm 1RoundTable Partners/10T Holdings, and currently invests in companies at the forefront of both blockchain and AI.

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00:00 - Introduction to Financial Realities

02:49 - Lessons from Traditional Finance

05:39 - The Cost of Education and Debt

08:24 - Investing in Real Estate: A Misstep?

11:14 - The Burden of Debt and Lifestyle Inflation

13:59 - The Importance of Financial Awareness

16:40 - The Red Pill Moment: Understanding Money

19:26 - The Challenges of Modern Investing

22:11 - The Psychological Aspect of Investing

25:00 - The Generational Wealth Gap

27:35 - Conclusion: Navigating Financial Futures

30:00 - The Changing Landscape of Wealth and Family Life

31:48 - Understanding Risk in Financial Terms

35:30 - The Importance of Time in Investment Decisions

38:11 - Art and Luxury Assets as Investments

50:52 - The Role of Bitcoin in Modern Investment Strategies

56:09 - The Value of Bitcoin and Digital Assets

59:47 - Traditional Finance vs. Bitcoin

01:03:53 - MicroStrategy's Innovative Approach

01:12:42 - The Future of Work and AI

01:19:28 - Core Beliefs and Life's Purpose

Beau Turner is an engineer and former real estate investor who now builds Bitcoin mining infrastructure. After a decade in real estate, he discovered how digital infrastructure and bitcoin mining could generate better returns with true automation, and he started building his company Abundant Mines.

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00:00 - The Future of Energy and Bitcoin Mining

08:22 - Debunking Myths: Bitcoin Mining and the Environment

14:01 - The Journey from Real Estate to Bitcoin Mining

24:24 - Navigating Hosted Mining Challenges

28:28 - Growth and Energy Sources in Bitcoin Mining

29:04 - Legislative Landscape for Bitcoin in Oregon

32:50 - Global Game Theory in Bitcoin Mining

36:45 - The Future of Bitcoin Mining and Sustainability

Max DeMarco is an independent filmmaker and founder of 21c Studios. His YouTube videos have racked up over 2.5 million views, covering everything from the carnivore diet to fighting a professional Muay Thai match. Max is always looking to challenge himself and become a healthier version of himself. And now, he's running an agency helping podcasters and Bitcoin companies scale up their media efforts.

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00:00 - Introduction to Bitcoin and Personal Journey

01:48 - From Music Industry to Bitcoin Enthusiast

05:41 - The Impact of Technology on Music and Art

09:53 - Low Time Preference and Timeless Creations

15:39 - The Influence of Bitcoin on Personal Values

21:20 - Exploring Health and Family Values through Bitcoin

27:02 - Trusting Yourself: The Psychological Journey of Bitcoin Adoption

29:50 - Discipline in Bitcoin and Muay Thai Training

32:24 - The Journey of Pain and Reward

33:49 - Creativity and Authenticity in Art

35:42 - Manifestation and the Power of Love

37:29 - The Quest of Life and Personal Growth

39:27 - Simplicity vs. Complexity in Achieving Goals

45:56 - The Evolution of Bitcoin Understanding

49:39 - Learning Through Experience and Empathy

57:15 - The Storytelling Aspect of Bitcoin Adoption

59:19 - The Future of Living on a Bitcoin Standard