Tim Edgar, former ACLU lawyer and National Security Council advisor on cybersecurity, and current senior fellow at the Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, discusses his new book "Beyond Snowden: Privacy, Mass Surveillance, and the Struggle to Reform the NSA" with the director of Brookings Institution Press Bill Finan.

Also in this episode, David Wessel joins us for his regular economic update and Robin Lewis discusses a new report from Brookings Center for Technology Innovation on financial and digital inclusion around the world.

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