Jeff Jackson stopped by the podcast. He sounded really good. Apparently the new Apple Air Buds have really sweet built-in mics. We talked Adam Curtis, novel lengths, whether or not it’s possible to create the feeling you get from reading a big book into a little book, his new installation, sculptures, readings, books as art objects, impermanent art and its appeal, censorship of internet blogs, how folks base their identities on corporations, whether social media helps anybody, primitive internet, how books have been saved from being destroyed by the internet, how the internet destroyed music, and why we need messy arguments about the value of art.