This episode features Rob Toews from Radical Ventures and Ari Morcos, Head of Research at Datology AI, reacting to Andrej Karpathy's recent statement that AGI is at least a decade away and that current AI capabilities are "slop." The discussion explores whether we're in an AI bubble, with both guests pushing back on overly bearish narratives while acknowledging legitimate concerns about hype and excessive CapEx spending. They debate the sustainability of AI scaling, examining whether continued progress will come from massive compute increases or from efficiency gains through better data quality, architectural innovations, and post-training techniques like reinforcement learning. The conversation also tackles which companies truly need frontier models versus those that can succeed with slightly-behind-the-curve alternatives, the surprisingly static landscape of AI application categories (coding, healthcare, and legal remain dominant), and emerging opportunities from brain-computer interfaces to more efficient scaling methods.

(0:00) Intro
(1:04) Debating the AI Bubble
(1:50) Over-Hyping AI: Realities and Misconceptions
(3:21) Enterprise AI and Data Center Investments
(7:46) Consumer Adoption and Monetization Challenges
(8:55) AI in Browsers and the Future of Internet Use
(14:37) Deepfakes and Ethical Concerns
(26:29) AI's Impact on Job Markets and Training
(31:38) Google and Anthropic: Strategic Partnerships
(34:51) OpenAI's Strategic Deals and Future Prospects
(37:12) The Evolution of Vibe Coding
(44:35) AI Outside of San Francisco
(48:09) Data Moats in AI Startups
(50:38) Comparing AI to the Human Brain
(56:07) The Role of Physical Infrastructure in AI
(56:55) The Potential of Chinese AI Models
(1:03:15) Apple's AI Strategy
(1:12:35) The Future of AI Applications

With your co-hosts: 

@jacobeffron 

- Partner at Redpoint, Former PM Flatiron Health 

@patrickachase 

- Partner at Redpoint, Former ML Engineer LinkedIn 

@ericabrescia 

- Former COO Github, Founder Bitnami (acq’d by VMWare) 

@jordan_segall 

- Partner at Redpoint