All Things Internal Audit: Fraud Podcast "The Fall of the Trusted Leader"

Listen to The IIA's Fraud Podcast, brought to you by All Things Internal Audit. The Fraud Podcast provides fictionalized accounts of real-world frauds featured in Internal Auditor magazine's Fraud department.

In this episode, a small-town bank built on trust begins to unravel when a persistent internal auditor notices patterns that don't quite add up. What starts as a routine review of commercial lending reveals missing records, suspicious payment activity, and mounting resistance from leadership. As regulators step in, the true scope of the scheme comes into focus, exposing how unchecked authority and weakened controls can bring down even the most trusted institutions.

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Chapters:

• Introduction to the Case (00:00:00)

• Part 1: The Bank Everyone Trusted (00:00:23)

• Part 2: Patterns Don't Lie (00:01:55)

• Part 3: Pressure Builds (00:03:07)

• Part 4: What the Files Revealed (00:04:30)

• Part 5: The Cost of Trust (00:06:06)

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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit

In this special milestone episode, Terry Grafenstine sits down with Anthony Pugliese to reflect on five years of leadership at The IIA. He shares what it's meant to lead a global profession during a period of unprecedented change, from modernizing the Standards and advancing advocacy to strengthening the talent pipeline and navigating cultural complexity across more than 100 countries. The conversation discusses leadership through influence, professional judgment, integrity, and what it truly means to represent an entire profession on the world stage.

• HOST:
  • Terry Grafenstine, CIA, CPA, CGAP, CISSP, CISA Former Global Chair, The Institute of Internal Auditors

• GUEST:
  • Anthony Pugliese, CIA, CPA, CGMA, CITP President & CEO, The Institute of Internal Auditors

KEY POINTS:

• Introduction and Five Years of Leadership [00:00:02–00:02:47]
• What Makes Leading a Global Professional Association Unique [00:03:03–00:06:16]
• Leading Through Influence, Buy-In, and Indirect Authority [00:06:27–00:08:08]
• The Weight of Representing an Entire Profession [00:08:15–00:10:17]
• Building a Truly Global Culture at The IIA [00:10:39–00:13:53]
• Balancing Legacy With the Changing Needs of the Profession [00:14:01–00:16:10]
• Advice for New and Emerging Internal Audit Leaders [00:17:01–00:19:11]
• What Strong Internal Audit Leadership Looks Like Today [00:19:44–00:23:13]
• What the CEO Role Looks Like Behind the Scenes [00:24:00–00:27:40]
• Managing Diverse Perspectives Across a Global Profession [00:27:48–00:29:27]
• How the Pace of Change Has Redefined the Role [00:30:10–00:32:16]
• Staying Grounded Amid Travel, Pressure, and Responsibility [00:32:23–00:34:06]
• What Anthony Hopes Members Feel From This Chapter of Leadership [00:34:19–00:36:35]
• The Most Meaningful Part of Leading The IIA [00:37:26–00:39:47]
• Final Reflections on the Future of the Profession [00:39:56–00:41:35]

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• Vision 2035
• Global Internal Audit Standards
• About Us: Anthony J. Pugliese

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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit Tech

Internal audit is no longer operating in a world of fixed scopes and hindsight reviews. As risk becomes continuous, digital, and increasingly driven by AI-enabled decisions, audit must evolve just as quickly. In this episode, Aadesh Gandhre is joined by Dave Montez and Richard Penfil from PayPal to introduce swarm auditing; an emerging approach that combines human judgment with orchestrated AI agents working in parallel. They discuss how audit functions can move beyond prompt libraries, embed AI directly into audit workflows, and rethink the assurance operating model without sacrificing independence or professional judgment.

• HOST:
  • Aadesh Gandhre, CISA Chief Audit Executive, DTCC
• GUESTS:
  • Dave Montez Chief Audit Executive, PayPal
  • Richard Penfil Data Science Manager, Audit Operations, PayPal

KEY POINTS:

• Introduction to Swarm Auditing and the Limits of Traditional Audit Models [00:00:02–00:01:25]

• Why Audit Must Evolve for Continuous, AI-Driven Risk [00:01:40–00:03:26]

• From Static Audit Cycles to Constant Evolution [00:03:27–00:04:17]

• The "Flip Phone in a Smartphone World" Analogy [00:04:54–00:05:12]

• The Mindset Shift Required for Swarm Auditing [00:05:48–00:07:32]

• Cultural, Legal, and Psychological Barriers to AI Adoption [00:07:36–00:08:41]

• Failing Forward and Creating Permission to Experiment [00:08:49–00:09:54]

• From Doers to Reviewers: How the Auditor's Role Evolves [00:10:02–00:11:28]

• Responsiveness to Change as a Core Audit Skill [00:11:40–00:12:29]

• Building AI for Audit vs. Adopting Enterprise AI [00:12:39–00:14:23]

• Making Space for AI Experimentation Within the Audit Plan [00:14:32–00:16:35]

• Embedding AI Into Daily Audit Workflows [00:16:45–00:18:45]

• What Swarm Auditing Really Means [00:19:00–00:20:39]

• Managing Independence While Sharing AI Capabilities [00:21:10–00:22:32]

• Moving Beyond Prompt Libraries to Agentic Swarms [00:23:38–00:25:03]

• Collaboration Across Audit Functions and the Profession [00:25:14–00:27:09]

• One Meaningful First Step Toward Swarm Auditing [00:27:50–00:28:25]

• Closing Thoughts on the Future of Audit and Innovation [00:28:31–00:29:26]

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• GAM 2026
• 2026 Analytics, Automation and AI Virtual Conference
• AI Knowledge Centers
• Learning Solutions: Leveraging Artificial Intelligence in Internal Audit
• Global Internal Audit Standards

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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit

AI regulation is no longer on the horizon. It's here. In this episode, Ernest Anunciacion talks with Marko Horvat about how global AI regulations are reshaping governance, risk management, and the role of internal audit. They discuss why regulators are prioritizing risk to individuals and how AI governance spans the full system life cycle.

HOST:Ernest Anunciacion, CIA Head of Product Marketing, MindBridge AI

GUEST: Marko Horvat, CPASenior Vice President of Business Transformation, ELB Learning

KEY POINTS:

• Introduction and episode overview [00:00:01 – 00:00:28]

• Why AI regulation is accelerating globally [00:00:56 – 00:01:26]

• How regulators are redefining risk as harm to individuals [00:01:35 – 00:02:18]

• EU-style risk tiering and prohibited vs. high-risk AI use cases [00:02:37 – 00:03:36]

• Human-in-the-loop expectations and judgment-based AI decisions [00:03:36 – 00:04:11]

• What regulators expect organizations to demonstrate [00:04:31 – 00:05:32]

• Internal audit's expanding role across the AI life cycle [00:05:38 – 00:06:39]

• Readiness assessments and the challenge of locating AI use [00:06:59 – 00:07:27]

• AI literacy skills auditors need today [00:07:43 – 00:09:29]

• Explainable AI, hallucinations, and model drift [00:08:21 – 00:09:29]

• Common audit gaps: shadow AI, monitoring, and third-party risk [00:09:44 – 00:12:00]

• Why vendor AI does not transfer accountability [00:12:02 – 00:12:21]

• What internal audit teams should be doing right now [00:12:32 – 00:14:28]

• Balancing continuous monitoring with new risk exposure [00:13:48 – 00:14:20]

• Partnering with legal and compliance on AI governance [00:14:40 – 00:15:10]

• Final takeaways: AI regulation is no longer theoretical [00:15:28 – 00:16:31]

IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:

• GAM 2026
• 2026 Analytics, Automation and AI Virtual Conference
• AI Knowledge Centers
• Learning Solutions: European Union Regulations
• Learning Solutions: Leveraging Artificial Intelligence in Internal Audit
• Global Internal Audit Standards

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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit

Deepfakes are reshaping fraud, trust, and evidence, and challenging what organizations can rely on as "proof." In this episode, Andrew Guasp speaks with Corey Chadderton about how AI-generated media is being used to impersonate leadership and bypass controls, why the barriers to entry have collapsed, and what internal auditors must do to strengthen governance, training, and response as these risks accelerate into 2026.

HOST:Andrew Guasp, CIA, CFE Senior manager, Standards & Professional Guidance, The IIA

GUEST:Corey Chadderton, IAP Internal Auditor, Barbados Water Authority

KEY POINTS:

• Introduction to Deepfakes and Audit Risk [00:00:02–00:00:40]

• What Are Deepfakes and Why Auditors Must Pay Attention [00:00:40–00:02:40]

• How Deepfake Technology Works (Without Becoming a Technical Expert) [00:02:50–00:04:10]

• Deepfakes as a "Force Multiplier" for Fraud [00:04:20–00:06:22]

• Real-World Deepfake Fraud and Governance Failures [00:06:24–00:08:36]

• Reputational Risk, Content Monitoring, and Trust Breakdown [00:08:36–00:09:32]

• Where Organizations Are Most Vulnerable Today [00:09:51–00:12:59]

• Applying Cyber Testing Techniques to Deepfake Risk [00:13:10–00:13:55]

• Red Flags and Indicators of Manipulated Media [00:14:04–00:16:10]

• The Power of the Pause and Training Against Urgency Attacks [00:16:13–00:18:22]

• Limits of Deepfake Detection Tools and the Human Factor [00:18:28–00:22:01]

• Professional Skepticism Beyond the Audit Function [00:22:01–00:23:51]

• Internal Audit's Advisory Role in Policies and Incident Response [00:24:02–00:27:14]

• Staying Ahead Through Continuous Risk Assessment [00:27:23–00:30:04]

• Closing Thoughts [00:30:04–00:30:19]

IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:

• GAM 2026
• AI Knowledge Centers
• CEO Message: Combating Deepfakes
• Global Internal Audit Standards

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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit

In this episode, Eric Wilson talks with Dr. Kelly Richmond Pope about the psychology behind fraud, why ordinary people commit unethical acts, and how trust, pressure, and culture shape fraud risk. They explore accidental versus intentional perpetrators, cognitive blind spots, whistleblowing challenges, and what auditors can do to better detect and prevent fraud. HOST: Eric Wilson, CIA Director of Internal Audit & Chief Audit Executive, Gulfport Energy GUEST: Kelly Richmond Pope, CPA, PhD Forensic Accounting Professor, DePaul University https://www.kellyrichmondpope.com/

KEY POINTS:

• Introduction to Fraud Psychology [00:00:02–00:00:32]

• What Sparked an Interest in Fraud and Human Behavior [00:00:32–00:03:33]

• Why Fraud Is Often Committed by "Ordinary" People [00:03:33–00:04:21]

• Pressure, Life Events, and the Path to Fraud [00:04:21–00:06:48]

• Thrill-Seeking, Power, and the Adrenaline Factor [00:06:58–00:08:20]

• Intentional, Accidental, and Righteous Fraud Explained [00:08:20–00:10:18]

• Why Accidental Perpetrators Are the Hardest to Detect [00:08:40–00:10:18]

• Cognitive Blind Spots and the Role of Trust [00:10:19–00:13:46]

• Lessons from One of the Largest Municipal Fraud Cases [00:12:29–00:13:46]

• The Difficult Reality of the Internal Auditor's Role [00:13:46–00:15:38]

• When and Why to Bring in Third-Party Investigators [00:15:52–00:16:16]

• Cultural Warning Signs That Fraud Risk Is Increasing [00:16:36–00:17:51]

• Charisma, Likability, and Fraud Risk [00:17:51–00:19:07]

• Managing Relationships While Maintaining Objectivity [00:18:20–00:20:12]

• Behavioral Red Flags Auditors Should Not Ignore [00:20:16–00:22:50]

• Narcissism, Leadership, and Corporate Environments [00:22:50–00:23:38]

• Why Whistleblowing Is So Difficult [00:23:59–00:25:59]

• A Critical Mindset Shift for Auditors [00:26:11–00:26:33]

• Closing Thoughts and Practical Takeaways [00:26:33–00:27:16]

IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:

• Global Practice Guide: Internal Auditing and Fraud, 3rd Edition
• Vision 2035
• 2026 Fraud Unmasked Virtual Conference
• Global Internal Audit Standards
• Internal Auditor Magazine: "Playing the Long Game" (Eric Wilson's article)
• Webinar: Internal Auditing and Human Personality: Compatibility Mapping

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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit

In this episode, Mike Levy talks with Dan Fornelius about the skills internal auditors need in 2026 and how to deliver real advice, insight, and foresight that leaders value. They discuss earning a seat at the table, balancing advisory work with independence, aligning audit work to strategy, and how AI and analytics are transforming internal audit. The conversation highlights the shift toward strategic, insight-driven auditing and what auditors must do to stay relevant.

HOST:Mike Levy, CIA, CRMA, CISSP CEO, Cherry Hill Advisory

GUEST: Dan Fornelius, CIA Director & Integrated Risk Leader, CrossCountry Consulting IIA North Jersey Chapter Board Member

KEY POINTS:

• Introduction and the Evolution of Internal Auditing [00:00:02–00:00:39]

• Defining Advice, Insight, and Foresight in Internal Audit [00:00:39–00:01:16]

• Earning a Seat at the Table Through Early Engagement [00:01:16–00:02:00]

• Aligning Audit Work With Organizational Strategy [00:02:42–00:03:33]

• Using Business Language to Drive Impact and Value [00:03:37–00:04:20]

• Balancing Advisory Services and Independence [00:04:32–00:06:40]

• Independence vs. Objectivity: Reframing the Debate [00:07:02–00:08:35]

• Providing Real-Time Guidance on Emerging Risks [00:09:12–00:10:27]

• Why Internal Audit's Holistic View Drives Insight [00:10:31–00:11:24]

• Defining and Delivering Actionable Insights [00:11:26–00:16:01]

• Using Data, Analytics, and Early Warning Indicators [00:12:21–00:15:27]

• Technology and AI as Enablers of Better Storytelling [00:16:12–00:18:33]

• How AI Frees Auditors to Focus on the "So What" [00:18:45–00:21:06]

• Skills and Attributes of the Future Auditor [00:21:22–00:23:25]

• Why Communication and Questioning Matter More Than Ever [00:23:25–00:25:01]

• Final Reflections on Value-Driven Internal Auditing [00:25:01–00:26:16]

IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:

• 2026 Fraud Unmasked Virtual Conference
• Global Internal Audit Standards
• Vision 2035
• Advice and Resources
• Knowledge Centers Artificial Intelligence
• All Things Internal Audit: Advisory Work: How to Consult
• Learning Solutions: The Advisory Engagement

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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit

In this episode, Pamela Stroebel Powers and James Rose unpack the new Global Practice Guide: Developing an Internal Audit Strategy, created to support Standard 9.2 in the Global Internal Audit Standards. They discuss why strategy is essential for internal audit functions, how it differs from the audit plan, and the importance of foresight, scenario analysis, and continuous development. They also explore the connection between strategy and performance measurement, and how these tools help internal auditors stay aligned with organizational objectives.

HOST:Pamela Stroebel Powers, CIA, CGAP, CRMA, CPA Director of Professional Guidance, Public Sector, The IIA

GUEST:James Rose, CIA, CRMA, CPA, CISA Managing Director, Sunhawk Consulting Member, International Internal Audit Standards Board (IIASB)

KEY POINTS:

• Introduction to the New Global Practice Guide [00:00:02–00:00:30]

• Why Internal Audit Needs Its Own Strategy [00:00:51–00:01:33]

• How Internal Audit Strategy Differs from Organizational Strategy [00:01:55–00:03:39]

• Continuous Improvement as a Strategic Mindset [00:03:42–00:04:44]

• Strategy vs. the Internal Audit Plan [00:04:55–00:07:54]

• Building Capabilities for the Future, Not Just Executing Audits [00:05:35–00:07:33]

• Foresight and Scenario Analysis in Internal Audit Strategy [00:08:01–00:14:39]

• Predicting the Future: Preparing Internal Audit for Multiple Scenarios [00:10:19–00:13:54]

• Linking Strategy to Performance Measurement (Standard 12.2) [00:15:21–00:19:59]

• Balancing Required vs. Aspirational Performance Measures [00:16:40–00:19:26]

• Using Strategy and Measurement to Strengthen Governance Assurance [00:19:26–00:20:39]

• Wrap-Up and Available Companion Tools [00:21:20–00:23:09]

IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:

• Global Practice Guide: Developing an Internal Audit Strategy
• Vision 2035
• 2026 Fraud Unmasked Virtual Conference
• Global Internal Audit Standards
• Performance Measurement Tool
• Internal Auditing Competency Framework Templates

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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit

Deborah Poulalion and Brian Tremblay unpack the top three risks from the 2026 Risk in Focus report: geopolitical uncertainty, digital disruption, and cybersecurity. They discuss why these risks are rising, how internal audit can approach "hard-to-audit" areas, and how to use Risk in Focus to drive stronger conversations with leadership. For a global perspective, read insights from audit leaders in the article 'Risk Around the World.' HOST: Deborah Poulalion Senior Manager, Research & Insights, The IIA GUEST: Brian Tremblay, CIA, CISA Vice President of Internal Audit, V2X Member, Internal Audit Foundation, Committee of Research and Education Advisors

KEY POINTS:

• Introduction [00:00–00:00:32]
• The Foundation's Research [00:00:32–00:01:32]
• Using the North American Report & Board Briefing [00:01:32–00:02:29]
• Geopolitical and Macroeconomic Uncertainty [00:02:29–00:07:01]
• Digital Disruption and AI Risk [00:07:01–00:12:13]
• Cybersecurity: Still the Top Risk [00:12:13–00:18:03]
• Final Takeaways: Going Deeper on Complex Risks [00:18:03–00:19:41]
• Closing Thoughts and Where to Access Risk in Focus [00:19:41–00:20:12]

IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:

• Risk in Focus 2026
• 'Risk Around the World' — Internal Auditor Magazine (December Issue)
• 2026 Fraud Unmasked Virtual Conference
• All Things Internal Audit: Navigating Sustainability Regulations
• Global Perspectives & Insights: Sustainability
• Tool: Assessing Sustainability Readiness

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The Institute of Internal Auditors Presents: All Things Internal Audit

Extreme weather is no longer a background variable; it's a governance and resilience issue. In this special episode, Christine Janesko shares extended insights from her interviews for Internal Auditor magazine's "Storm Signals" article. Hear expert perspectives on expanding risk lenses, adapting to climate-driven changes, and how internal audit can strengthen preparedness, communication, and continuity in a world of increasingly unpredictable weather. HOSTS: Catie Brown Associate Manager & Producer, Content Development, The IIA Christine Janesko Senior Editor, Internal Auditor Magazine, The IIA

GUEST:

Rachael Gauthier Meteorologist, Insurance Institute for Business & Home Safety Hans-Martin Füssel Climate Change Adaptation Expert, European Environment Agency Paul Morris Retired Public Sector Internal Auditor and U.S. Coast Guard Reserve Officer Bob Ward Policy and Communications Director, Grantham Research Institute, London School of Economics

KEY POINTS:

• Introduction [00:00–00:00:36]
• Why Weather Risk Matters for Internal Audit [00:00:36–00:01:01]
• Severe Storms: The Hidden Driver of Insured Losses [00:01:01–00:02:37]
• Emerging Hail and Wind Zones Across the U.S. [00:02:37–00:02:59]
• Extreme Weather as a Governance Issue [00:02:59–00:03:07]
• Copenhagen as a "Sponge City" Case Study [00:03:07–00:05:35]
• Communication Failures During Disasters [00:05:35–00:08:31]
• Correlated Weather Risks and Global Supply Chain Strain [00:08:31–00:10:52]
• Weather Risk Is Now a Core Resilience Priority [00:10:52–00:11:11]

IIA RELATED CONTENT: Interested in this topic? Visit the links below for more resources:

• Storm Signals — Internal Auditor Magazine (December Issue)
• Knowledge Centers: Environmental, Social, and Governance
• All Things Internal Audit: Navigating Sustainability Regulations
• Global Perspectives & Insights: Sustainability
• Tool: Assessing Sustainability Readiness

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