Senior Fellows E.J. Dionne and Robert Kagan discuss America's evolving but essential role in the liberal world order, the strength of democracy around the globe, and Kagan's new book "The Jungle Grows Back." Also in this episode, Andre Perry describes some of the factors that affect black female candidates' electoral success. Subscribe to Brookings podcasts here or on Apple Podcasts, send feedback email to [email protected], and follow us and tweet us at @policypodcasts on Twitter. The Brookings Cafeteria is a part of the Brookings Podcast Network.