Andrew talks with New York Times bestselling author Andrea Bartz. In 2021, Andrea’s thriller novel We Were Never Here became an instant New York Times bestseller & a Reese Witherspoon Book Club pick. Andrew is also joined this week by special guest co-host Nathan Baugh who studies the world’s best storytellers & tweets about it to over 220,000 people every day. Nathan also writes World Builders, an email newsletter about storytelling that he sends to over 60,000 people each week. In this conversation, Andrew & Nathan ask Andrea about her new book The Spare Room—and explore the secrets behind her creative process. You’ll learn how to capture new ideas, overcome creative doubt, & shape stories that resonate deeply with others. This episode will help you develop your craft as a storyteller—a powerful skill critical to forming deeper connections with others and communicating ideas that stand the test of time.

Show Highlights:

(2:40) - Writing stories as a child
(5:28) - Imitating writers you enjoy
(6:22) - Studying journalism in college
(7:58) - Pursuing a new career after layoff
(10:12) - Sunk cost fallacy
(10:39) - Learning from others
(11:23) - Writing first and refining later
(14:02) - Polishing a draft
(15:15) - Capturing new ideas
(16:40) - Exploring ideas through writing
(19:09) - Role of conflict
(20:13) - Picking timely topics to write about
(26:57) - Improving as a writer
(29:08) - Overcoming doubt & intimidation
(33:35) - Pursuing new challenges
(35:09) - Trying new things

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