This episode is part of our “Summer Selects” series—curated archival episodes that shifted our perspective and are worth revisiting.

Most people think of AI as a tool for experts and big tech. Andrew Ng argues that the real revolution begins when “AI coding is the new literacy”—and building AI moves from the hands of a few "high priests" to everyone.

In this archival episode of Strange Loop, AI pioneer and educator Andrew Ng joins Sana founder and CEO Joel Hellermark for a candid, wide-ranging conversation about what it means to democratize AI creation. Together, they explore why most of AI’s creative potential remains untapped, how the application layer will drive the next wave of innovation, and the urgent need to make AI literacy as universal as reading and writing.

What’s in this episode

• Why “AI coding is the new literacy” and what that means for society

• How the future of AI will be shaped by democratizing creation, not just consumption

• The untapped creative potential in AI’s application layer

• Lessons from past tech waves: moats, defensibility, and building lasting businesses

• The economics and competition behind the large language model boom

• How AI is transforming knowledge work, productivity, and who benefits

• The real risks: bias, misinformation, concentration of power, and what to do about them

• The future of AI education: personalized learning, AI tutors, and beyond

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Transcript: https://sanalabs.com/strange-loop/andrew-ng

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About Strange Loop

Strange Loop is a podcast about how artificial intelligence is reshaping the systems we live and work in. Each episode features deep, unscripted conversations with thinkers and builders reimagining intelligence, leadership, and the architectures of progress. The goal is not just to follow AI’s trajectory, but to question the assumptions guiding it.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) Are we still in the “radio show on TV” era of AI?

(00:03:20) Why application is AI’s biggest creative opportunity

(00:07:10) AI economics: cost, competition, and the new infrastructure

(00:12:45) Who wins in the age of AI-augmented knowledge work?

(00:17:15) The real risks: bias, misinformation, and concentrated power

(00:21:05) AI literacy and the democratization of building

(00:25:00) The future of AI education and what’s next for society

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Where to find Andrew

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewyng

• X (Twitter): https://x.com/AndrewYNg

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Where to find Joel

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joel-hellermark/

• X: https://x.com/joelhellermark