What does it mean to hold the unbearable complexities of the world without shutting down or lashing out? 

In this rich, heartfelt conversation, Eva and Kyley sit down with Ellen Wong, entheogenic death companion and host of the Mum podcast, to explore how we can stay present with grief, righteous anger, and the impossible paradoxes of life.

Together, we grapple with questions like:

• How do we show up when the world is on fire?
• How do we stay human when social media, activism, and politics feel polarized and violent?
• Is it possible to hold both fierce anger and deep compassion without collapsing into binaries?

Ellen shares her profound perspective as a death doula, inviting us to develop an intimate relationship with death—not just at the end of life, but in the countless transitions, identity shifts, and ego deaths we encounter along the way. The conversation weaves through themes of grief, cancel culture, safety, attachment, social justice, ancestral wounds, and the liberating power of surrender.

💥 Expect tears, belly laughs, and a radically honest look at what it means to be alive in these times

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