Ooh you are in for a treat this week, because we are diving deep into exploring another way of living with none other than the legendary - one of the leading guides of our time.

If you don’t know Donna, then you just wait - she is the wisest of souls. Fearne Cotton agrees with me and calls her ‘the wisest woman I know’ and Emma Watson says ‘she has helped shape the woman I have become’.

Donna is a therapist, coach and Elder in training who has been working with individuals, couples and groups for over 30 years. She was co-founder of the Bridge Retreat - the power of which is captured beautifully in the documentary Love(d) and author of the book The Bridge as well as Wise Words for Women.

In this episode we dive deep down, right from the start, into a big juicy conversation about life - exploring what Donna means when she talks about the patriarchal trance and how to wake up from it. She explains what Phase 1, 2 and 3 of life are and why so many of us remain stuck in Phase 1 of life. And we explore what it means to become an Elder and how finding your own Elders can be the key to helping you transition into Phase 2 of life where true joy, peace and love are found.

Told you we go deep!

And if you want more of Donna (which I guarantee you will after this episode), these are the three main links for you to get started with:

Website: Deepening Into LifeInstagram: @donnalancsDonna’s newsletter on Substack - sign up here for free

Now sit back and enjoy this episode!

x Selina

🎙Show notes

Here are links and reminders of people, podcasts and courses mentioned in the episode:

Elders that Donna recommends: Anne Lamott, Maya Angelou, Desmond Tutu, Caroline Myss, Eckhart TolleFalling Upwards by Father Richard Rohr is all about the Phase 1 and Phase 2 of life

🎧 Previous podcast episodes with Donna and me:

The day I married myself - listen hereWhy we all need to learn how to grieve - listen here

🌳 The Embers idea Donna mentioned has become a reality - now called Elder Wood - you can find out about it in this instagram post here

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