With the release of PSVR and the impending launch of Google’s new phone-based VR platform, virtual reality has hit a new high water mark. We bring in an expert, WIRED’s own Peter Rubin, to chart all of it. Peter manages WIRED’s culture and entertainment coverage and co-hosts The Monitor, our culture podcast. Peter is also well-steeped in face computers: he’s written stellar stories about Oculus and he’s been testing and ranking each new VR system as it’s released. With David out this week, Michael and Peter talk about PSVR, Google Daydream View, and the future of “untethered” real-deal VR.

Some notes: Read Peter’s review of the Sony PlayStation VR headset and his report from last week’s Oculus Connect. Also, Chris Kohler writes about rhythm games and short-play games in VR. David Pierce has the details on Google’s phone-based Daydream View. Recommendations this week: People Just Do Nothing on Netflix and the Talkhouse podcasts.

Send the hosts feedback on their personal Twitter feeds (David Pierce is @pierce, Peter Rubin is @provenself, and Michael Calore is @snackfight) or bling the main hotline at @GadgetLab.