When Ibram X. Kendi was growing up in Queens, he witnessed the brutal initiation process gangs put new members through. And when he got to college, he saw that process play out again in fraternities. Kendi, director of the Antiracist Research and Policy Center at American University, joins us to talk about the troubling connection between these two systems. His essay “What’s the Difference Between a Frat and a Gang?” appears in The Atlantic.