Elon Musk supposedly believes in Nick Bostrom’s “Simulation Hypothesis,” the notion that we are living in a hyper-realistic computer simulation. Are we? Mo and AZ consult with 3x Grammy-nominated poet and Marvel screenwriter Amir Sulaiman about whether we’re currently, at this moment, right now, living in a simulation, or if it’s just a mindf*ck of a situation. Enjoy “The Simulation Song” and plan to listen to this uber-trippy, mind-bending episode at least twice. It’s so weird. 

Guest: Amir Sulaiman

ORIGINAL AUDIO PRODUCTION, MUSIC & SOUND DESIGN BY SALT

Executive Produced by Mo Amer, Azhar Usman, Noah Gersh, Jamie Schefman, Nick Panama, Kenzi Wilbur

Head of Creative: Jordan Galvan 

Head of Production: Liz LeMay

Head of Post Production: Robert Adler

Producers: Imran Ali Malik & Aaron Kennedy 

Supervising Producers: Allie Strobel & Alice Bearn

Post Production Supervisor: Aly Honoré

Post Production Coordinator: Jax Raffle 

Edited by: Geoffrey Mutchnik and Aaron Kennedy 

Sound Design and Music by: Matthew Chilelli

Mixed by: Aaron Kennedy 

Recorded by Aaron Kennedy, Zack Djurich and Mario Borgatta 

Guest Booking by Drive Entertainment and Hager Eldaas

Additional music courtesy of Extreme Music.

Joking Not Joking is a Luminary Original, and a co-production between SALT, Legally Homeless, Inc., and Numinous Company, Inc.