In this episode of Autistic Advocacy, Matt and Angela welcome special guest Richard Woods—leading authority on Demand Avoidance Phenomena and author—for a conversation about Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA), also known in affirming circles as Persistent Drive for Autonomy, and its complex relationship with autism and other forms of neurodivergence.

🎧 What You’ll Learn

• What PDA really is – Understanding the intense need for autonomy, how it manifests, and why it’s different from intentional defiance.
• Beyond childhood – How PDA presents in adults and why it often goes unrecognized.
• PDA vs. ODD – Why the two are frequently confused, and how a need for autonomy—not opposition—drives the behavior.
• Theory of Mind and labels – The problems with pathologizing demand avoidance and how labels affect self-advocacy.
• Lived experience – Why PDA traits don’t “fade” with age but instead evolve into self-accommodation and clearer boundaries.
• Post-autistic identity – Richard’s perspective on moving beyond psychiatric categories.
• The sensory and systemic challenge – How an inaccessible, chaotic world exacerbates PDA traits.

Resources:

• Pathological Demand Avoidance (PDA): Its Four Schools of Thought – 🔗 Read on ResearchGate
• Richard Woods’ ORCiD – 🔗 View profile
• PDA Society – 🔗 Identifying Features of PDA
• Monotropism.org – 🔗 Dinah’s work

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