BackTable Vascular & Interventional

Interested in setting up an Ambulatory Surgery Center (ASC) or Outpatient Based Lab (OBL)? Special guest Kristen Richards sits down with host Dr. Aaron Fritts to discuss the importance of establishing and tracking safety and quality metrics in the outpatient space to achieve success. Kristen is Vice President of Ambulatory Care at Cardiovascular Logistics in Chicago, IL.

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This podcast is supported by:

Philips Image Guided Therapy Solutions

https://www.usa.philips.com/healthcare/solutions/image-guided-therapy/all-products

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SYNPOSIS

Kristen shares insights from her experience in the cardiovascular ambulatory space, highlighting the necessity of patient safety, efficient care, and the benefits of outpatient settings over hospital environments. Patient selection, infection control, staff and physician satisfaction, economic drivers, and the future outlook for cardiovascular procedures in ASCs are some of the key topics discussed. Kristen also emphasizes the need for continuous data tracking to demonstrate and improve the quality of care provided in these centers.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

06:25 - Benefits of Out-of-Hospital Care

17:47 - Financial Incentives and Ownership Models

18:17 - Technological Advancements and Cost Reduction

25:00 - Considerations for Opening an ASC

31:58 - Importance of Quality Metrics

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RESOURCES

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #366

Navigating OBL & ASC Business: Pitfalls to Avoid with Teri Yates

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/366/navigating-obl-asc-business-pitfalls-to-avoid

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #431

OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/431/obl-or-asc-for-your-private-practice-how-to-decide

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #431

OBL or ASC for Your Private Practice? How to Decide with Teri Yates

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/486/winning-the-revenue-cycle-game

Outpatient Endovascular and Interventional Society (OEIS) 2025 Conference:

https://oeisweb.com/

Cardiovascular Business:

https://cardiovascularbusiness.com/

SCAI:

https://scai.org/

Is your microwave ablation technique up to date? Dr. Ed Kim sits down with guest-host Dr. Kavi Krishnasamy to explore cutting-edge techniques in tumor ablation, with a focus on hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC) treatment with microwave. Dr. Ed Kim is the Director of Interventional Oncology and Professor of Radiology and Surgery in the Division of Vascular and Interventional Radiology at the Mount Sinai Medical Center.

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This podcast is supported by an educational grant from:

Varian, a Siemens Healthineers company

https://www.varian.com/

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SYNPOSIS

The doctors discuss microwave ablation, radiation segmentectomy, and the decision-making algorithms for choosing appropriate procedures based on lesion characteristics. Dr. Kim touches on the complexities of ablation near the diaphragm and subcapsular lesions, emphasizing the impact of practitioner skill and experience on outcomes. Recent advancements in ablation technologies, software, and device-specific versus device-agnostic applications are also highlighted, along with the importance of post-contrast scans and ultrasound skills. Dr. Kim also delves into emerging technologies such as HistoSonics, augmented reality/virtual reality, and immunotherapy synergies. The doctors underscore the need for a multidisciplinary approach for optimizing patient outcomes and pushing the field toward future innovations.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

04:28 - Standardizing Ablation Algorithms

07:51 - Suboptimal Lesion Locations

13:06 - Device Selection and Properties

22:49 - Ablation Planning Software

32:53 - Real-Time Visualization

44:48 - Biopsy and Ablation Techniques

52:14 - Future of Ablation Technology

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RESOURCES

Dr. Ed Kim’s Publications:

https://scholars.mssm.edu/en/persons/edward-kim

ACCLAIM Trial:

https://www.sio-central.org/ACCLAIM-Trial

A multicenter randomized controlled trial to evaluate the efficacy of surgery versus radiofrequency ablation for small hepatocellular carcinoma (SURF trial): Analysis of overall survival:

https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2021.39.15_suppl.4093

Surgery versus thermal ablation for small-size colorectal liver metastases (COLLISION): An international, multicenter, phase III randomized controlled trial.

https://ascopubs.org/doi/10.1200/JCO.2024.42.17_suppl.LBA3501

SIR welcomes results of COLLISION Trial, presented at the 2024 ASCO Annual Meeting:

https://www.sirweb.org/media-and-pubs/media/news-release-archive/collision-trial-06032024/

HistoSonics:

https://histosonics.com/

How do interventional oncologists fit into the bigger picture of multidisciplinary cancer care? Today we hear the patient’s perspective from Lynn Lazzaro, a liver cancer survivor who underwent multiple interventional oncology procedures prior to liver resection and eventual transplant. Lynn sits down with host Dr. Eric Keller to discuss her journey from initial diagnosis to present day.

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This podcast was developed in collaboration with:

Interventional Initiative

https://theii.org/

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SYNPOSIS

Lynn provides insights on the importance of patient self-advocacy, seeking second opinions, and the benefits of a multidisciplinary approach when fighting cancer. Lynn encourages patients to be informed, ask questions, and connect with mentors, while also emphasizing the important duty physicians have in humanizing patient care. Her story highlights resilience, the value of teamwork among medical specialists, and the transformative potential of minimally invasive procedures.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

02:22 - Multidisciplinary Management

06:59 - Navigating TACE and Support Systems

13:39 - Surgical Interventions and Transplant Journey

19:09 - Reflections and Advice for Patients and Clinicians

26:13 - Conclusion

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RESOURCES

The Interventional Initiative:

https://theii.org/

The Cholangiocarcinoma Foundation:

https://cholangiocarcinoma.org/

How can interventional radiologists help patients with long COVID? Today we hear directly from Jillian Angeline, a long COVID survivor that benefited tremendously from minimally invasive interventional care. Jillian sits down with host Dr. Eric Keller, and shares how interventional radiologist Dr. Brooke Spencer helped get her life back by turning the tide against her long-haul COVID symptoms which had been ongoing for multiple years.

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This podcast was developed in collaboration with:

Interventional Initiative

https://theii.org/

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SYNPOSIS

Jillian shares her challenging journey from being an extremely active individual to barely being able to walk, due to persistent inflammation following COVID-19 infection. After seeing numerous physicians across various states and experiencing dismissal and misdiagnosis, Jillian was finally referred to Dr. Spencer at the MIPS Center in Colorado where she underwent a series of venous interventions that significantly helped her. This episode aims to raise awareness about possible life-changing IR options for patients suffering from long COVID, the importance of patient advocacy, and underscores multidisciplinary collaboration amongst medical professionals.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

02:33 - Jillian’s Journey

05:11 - Finding Interventional Radiologist, Dr. Brooke Spencer

08:39 - Venous Interventions

16:03 - Road to Healing

32:21 - Advice for Long COVID Patients

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RESOURCES

Dr. Brooke Spencer, MD, FSIR Practice:

https://mipscenter.com/about-us/dr-e-brooke-spencer-md-fsir/

The Interventional Initiative:

https://theii.org/

Looking to enhance your interventional oncology practice with renal tumor ablation? In this episode, host Dr. Don Garbett is joined by Dr. AJ Gunn to discuss the current landscape of renal tumor ablation and Dr. Gunn’s procedural tips for successful outcomes. Dr. Gunn is an interventional radiologist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham, with extensive experience in building service lines, including renal tumor management.

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This podcast is supported by:

RADPAD® Radiation Protection

https://www.radpad.com/

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SYNPOSIS

The doctors review various scoring systems to predict the risks associated with renal ablation. Dr. Gunn emphasizes that tumor size is the most consistent predictor of procedural complications, local recurrence, and metastasis. He also discusses ablation techniques and proactive steps to avoid complications, such as hydrodissection and the selection of appropriate ablation technology. He employs cryoablation for central renal tumors and large tumors to minimize damage to the collecting system, while using microwave ablation for smaller peripheral lesions. Additionally, prior literature and his personal experience suggest that preoperative embolization may be beneficial for larger hypervascular tumors.

Finally, Dr. Gunn speaks about the ongoing Embolization Before Ablation of Renal Cell Carcinoma (EMBARC) study and the importance of sharing knowledge and experiences within the interventional oncology community.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

04:24 - Practice Building Philosophy

09:29 - Importance of Clinical Follow Up

12:17 - Predictive Factors of Ablation Success

23:30 - Renal Ablation Technique

31:41 - Embolization Before Ablation

44:13 - The Future of Renal Tumor Treatments

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RESOURCES

Percutaneous Cryoablation of Stage T1b Renal Cell Carcinoma: Safety, Technical Results, and Clinical Outcomes (Gunn et al, 2019):

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8983093/

Should Renal Mass Biopsy Be Performed prior to or Concomitantly with Thermal Ablation? (Chung et al, 2018): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30075976/

EMBARC Trial:

https://med.stanford.edu/ir/clinical-trials/embarc.html

Society for Interventional Oncology (SIO) Conference: https://www.sio-central.org/Events/Annual-Scientific-Meeting

As providers, we know firsthand how impactful interventional radiology procedures can be. Today, we hear the perspective of Suzanne Martin, a patient who underwent life-saving radioembolization for stage 4 colorectal cancer. Suzanne shares her story with host Dr. Eric Keller, including how things took a positive turn when she was introduced to interventional radiologist Dr. Charles Nutting after initially undergoing ineffective chemotherapy treatment.

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This podcast was developed in collaboration with:

Interventional Initiative

https://theii.org/

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SYNPOSIS

Suzanne discusses her role as a motivational speaker and highlights the importance of patient self-advocacy and the collaborative efforts between oncologists and interventional radiologists. This inspiring episode underscores the transformative power of minimally invasive treatments and the significance of hope and teamwork in overcoming cancer.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

04:25 - SIR Spheres Procedure

07:10 - Post-Procedure Recovery Experience

09:49 - Long-Term Outcomes and Reflections

17:48 - Advocating for Yourself

19:07 - Finding Support and Hope

23:35 - Advice for Patients and Doctors

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RESOURCES

Dr. Charles Nutting Denver Practice:

https://www.drnutting.com/

Say Yes to Hope Cancer Support Group:

https://www.sayyestohope.org/

Get a second opinion on your uterine fibroid embolization (UFE) technique. Dr. Gary Siskin joins host Dr. Chris Beck for an in-depth discussion on his approach to uterine fibroid embolization, detailing techniques, tools, and embolic agents. Dr. Siskin is an experienced UFE practitioner, professor, and Chair of the Department of Radiology and Chief of the Division of Vascular & Interventional Radiology at Albany Med Health System in New York.

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This podcast is supported by:

Merit Embolotherapy

https://www.merit.com/solutions/embolotherapy/

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SYNPOSIS

Dr. Siskin shares his journey and evolution of his specialization in GYN-related interventional radiology procedures. The doctors cover various aspects of fibroid embolization, including its effectiveness compared to surgical options like myomectomy and hysterectomy, the referral and evaluation process, and considerations for fertility preservation. Pain management strategies and postoperative care are also explored, emphasizing the importance of patient education and interdisciplinary collaboration to promote less invasive treatments.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

04:45 - Building a Fibroid Practice

08:35 - Workup and Consultation

17:01 - Recurrence and Re-Embolization

20:27 - Pre-Procedural Workup and Technique

30:18 - Embolization Endpoint

36:07 - Accessing the Correct Uterine Artery

48:49 - Post-Procedure Patient Care

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RESOURCES

List of Publications by Dr. James B. Spies (PubMed):

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?sort=jour&term=Spies+JB&cauthor_id=24436560

Historically, public recognition and understanding of IR has been limited, with a significant portion of patients unaware of interventional procedures and the field as a whole. How can we improve awareness of IR and minimally invasive treatment options? Dr. Mina Makary discusses this and his recent study on public perceptions of IR, with host Dr. Michael Barraza. Dr. Makary is a vascular and interventional radiologist and an Associate Professor of Radiology at The Ohio State University.

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This podcast is supported by:

PearsonRavitz

https://pearsonravitz.com/backtable

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SYNPOSIS

Dr. Makary states that less than half of the public believes IRs are physicians, highlighting a knowledge gap with potentially significant implications for patient care and treatment decisions. The doctors delve into possible solutions to address this issue, including educational interventions targeting both the public and healthcare providers, the potential impact of name recognition on public perception, and methods to enhance IR awareness through media and direct engagement with primary care providers. The episode also emphasizes the need for ongoing research and efforts to improve understanding and recognition of IR to ensure patients have informed medical options.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

03:23 - Study Methodology and Findings

08:13 - Challenges and Solutions in IR Awareness

10:23 - Impact of IR Procedures on Public Perception

15:16 - Future Research and Awareness Efforts

23:40 - Conclusions

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RESOURCES

2023 Paper - Public Awareness of Interventional Radiology: Population-Based Analysis of the Current State of and Pathways for Improvement:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36764444/

2019 Paper - Primary Care Provider Awareness of IR: A Single-Center Analysis:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31235412/

2024 Paper - Impact of Educational Videos on Patient Understanding of Interventional Radiology Procedures:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39198139/

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #454 - Moral Injury in Interventional Radiology with Dr. Mina Makary and Dr. Jeffrey Chick:

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/454/moral-injury-in-interventional-radiology

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #195 - Disclosures of Conflicts of Interest with Dr. Mina Makary:

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/195/disclosures-of-conflicts-of-interest

BackTable VI Podcast Episode #62 - Protect Yourself Before You Wreck Yourself with Dr. Mina Makary:

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/62/protect-yourself-before-you-wreck-yourself

Acetabular lesions present unique challenges for interventionalists due to their location within the pelvis. In this episode of the BackTable Podcast, host Dr. Jacob Fleming interviews Dr. Jason Levy, an experienced practitioner in musculoskeletal interventional oncology based in Atlanta, Georgia, about techniques for ablating acetabular lesions.

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This podcast is supported by an educational grant from:

Medtronic

https://www.medtronic.com/en-us/index.html

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SYNPOSIS

The doctors discuss the unique considerations involved in treating the acetabulum, including its susceptibility to various axial loading, shear, and torsion forces. Dr. Levy prefers to use radiofrequency ablation combined with cement augmentation to enhance joint stability. He outlines the procedural steps and shares his preferred imaging methods. Additionally, he addresses potential complications, such as instability from inadequate cement delivery, cement leakage into the hip joint space, and avascular necrosis. Throughout the episode, the doctors emphasize the importance of collaboration with orthopedic oncologists and staying updated on current research in musculoskeletal interventional oncology.\

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

05:11 - Unique Considerations for Acetabular Lesions

09:06 - Collaboration with Orthopedic Oncologists

13:10 - Anatomy and Procedural Steps

24:40 - Preventing Complications

35:25 - Concluding Thoughts

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RESOURCES

BackTable MSK Ep. 17- Multidisciplinary Approach to Treating Spinal Metastases with Dr. Jason Levy and Dr. Amir Lavaf:

https://www.backtable.com/shows/msk/podcasts/17/multidisciplinary-approach-to-treating-spinal-metastases

BackTable VI Ep. 68- RF Ablation Therapy for Bone Metastases with Dr. Jason Levy and Dr. Sandeep Bagla:

https://www.backtable.com/shows/vi/podcasts/68/rf-ablation-therapy-for-bone-metastases

BackTable MSK Ep. 12- Ortho/IR Collaboration in Private Practice:

https://www.backtable.com/shows/msk/podcasts/12/ortho-ir-collaboration-in-private-practice

Radiofrequency Ablation for the Palliative Treatment of Bone Metastases: Outcomes from the Multicenter OsteoCool Tumor Ablation Post-Market Study (OPuS One Study):

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33129427/

Hip Joint Distraction Technique during Cryoablation of Acetabular Bone Tumor to Prevent Femoral Head Osteonecrosis:

https://www.jvir.org/article/S1051-0443(22)01119-8/fulltext

Tumor embolization is a versatile procedure that can provide symptomatic and long-term benefits for patients. In this episode of BackTable MSK, host Dr. Michael Barraza discusses musculoskeletal tumor embolizations with Dr. Gina Landinez from the Miami Cardiac and Vascular Institute, where she is helping to grow the MSK interventions program.

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This podcast is supported by:

Accountable Physician Advisors

http://www.accountablephysicianadvisors.com/

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SYNPOSIS

Dr. Landinez explains that the main indications for embolization are preoperative tumor shrinkage and pain palliation. Embolization decreases hemorrhagic risk and procedure time during surgical resection and leads to better surgical margins. Pain palliation can also be achieved due to tumor size reduction and decreased pressure on surrounding nerves and tissue. Dr. Landinez explains that lesions well-suited embolization are hypervascular, large, not sensitive to radiation, and painful. She also describes the risks of off-target skin and muscle embolization and the importance of exercising caution with vertebral tumors.

Finally, Dr. Landinez shares valuable practice-building tips about developing relationships with orthopedic surgeons and providing adequate follow up care.

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TIMESTAMPS

00:00 - Introduction

03:51 - Indications for Embolization

08:08 - Building Referral Networks

13:45 - Preoperative Planning

18:34 - Technical Aspects of Embolization

27:25 - Challenges and Considerations

31:23 - Importance of Outpatient Follow Up