Heidi and Ellen talk about great gift ideas (Themed Gifts! Masterclass Subscriptions! Journals! Writing Classes; Presents for Cooks!) (2:06). They then take questions from Kelsey (11:49) and Marie (22:13). Both are Sagittarius rising. Both have been in the non-profit world for many years. Both are ready for a change- hopefully doing something more creative. And, they both wonder how they can be brave and follow their heart's yearning. Ellen and Heidi then talk about The White Lotus (great finale!); the Netflix documentary Harry and Meghan; and all the new Christmas movies. They also talk about the books Educated by Tara Westover and The Salt Path by Raynor Winn (34:16).