Be It Till You See It

In this powerful interview, Joy Hoover, founder of Esōes Cosmetics shares her journey into advocating for women's safety, a path deeply influenced by both her professional background and a significant personal tragedy. She recounts the harrowing experience that ignited her mission to combat drink spiking and its widespread implications. The discussion also covers the complexities of product development, the crucial role of community engagement, and the power of education in preventing gender-based violence. Listen in to hear Joy's story and learn how to identify red flags.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The importance of proactively using prevention tools like Esōes Cosmetics.
• Why community support and collective action are essential for creating safer environments.
• How to trust your gut feelings and actively identify "red flags" without self-doubt.
• Why the solution to gender-based violence requires a multi-faceted approach.
• The importance of self-healing before helping others or pursuing significant goals.

Episode References/Links:

• Esōes Cosmetics Website - https://www.esoescosmetics.com
• Esōes Cosmetics TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@joy.e.hoover
• Esōes Cosmetics Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/esoessafety
• Esōes Cosmetics Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/esoessafety

Guest Bio:

Joy Hoover is an innovator powered by audacity, passion, and an unshakable belief that safety, dignity, and opportunity are human rights. For over 15 years, Joy has fought to make Nevada and beyond safer, more just, and more equitable. She has built three nationally recognized social impact startups, advocated for over 10,000 survivors, and worked tirelessly to protect families everywhere. Her groundbreaking work has been honored with awards like Top Tech of the Year and Entrepreneur of the Year and featured by major outlets including Vegas PBS, NYPost, InStyle, and NYLON. As the founder of Esōes Cosmetics, Joy invented the world’s first patented tech-enabled lipstick designed to fight drug-facilitated assault and violence. Her mission is clear: make safety a right, not a privilege, and create a world that truly works for everyone. This fight is deeply personal. After losing her mother-in-law to domestic violence and witnessing the broken systems that continue to fail survivors, Joy refuses to accept a world where women battle for their own safety, where families are shattered by preventable violence, and where survivors are abandoned by the very institutions meant to protect them. Today, alongside her husband Phil, their fierce daughters Vivian and Ruby, and their emotional support pup Charlie, Joy stands ten toes down—proving that when we dream big, innovate with purpose, and move with courage and compassion, change is inevitable. (Bio adapted to third 

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Episode Transcript:

Joy Hoover 0:00  

Women's safety needs every component, and we can't just have a product, and we can't just have education, and we can't just have politics, and we can't just, right? We need a an overarching solution to truly see this epidemic change.

Lesley Logan 0:15  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:57  

All right, Be It babe. So today's guest is someone who's really cool. She's been on my radar for quite some time, and I've been watching what she's doing, and then I've got to see what she was doing. I was like, this is really freaking cool. And then Brad went to this thing, and he met her, and I was like, yeah, that's the one I showed you on my Instagram, and it's because I'm obsessed with lipstick. And then someone made some lipstick that can actually help save your life. So today's episode is going to talk about, not in detail, I'm not, we don't, there's not anything that's like full details of things. But if you have experienced gender-based violence and that is a touchy subject for you, please guard your heart for this episode. But I really do hope as many of you can listen to it, because we're going to talk about ways to prevent it, and we're going to talk with a woman who has founded the Esōes cosmetics company, which is a product based company with tech that can help save your life. And so I'm really, really excited. Joy Hoover is our guest. And so here is a great interview with some really, really amazing, thoughtful full of love, full of joy, full of excitement, full of how community can come together and how you can be integral in preventing gender-based violence. So here we go with Joy Hoover. 

Lesley Logan 2:01  

All right, Be It babe, this is a first. We have a neighbor on the podcast, and no, she's not in my (inaudible) which would have been, would have been something had I planned ahead. But you know what? We are both entrepreneurs, we're flying by the seat of our pants. So Joy Hoover is our guest today. I'm super excited. I'm so excited to get to know you as a neighbor, but also in like all that you're doing, you're quite a badass. So can you tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at?

Joy Hoover 2:25  

Yeah, absolutely. I'm happy to be here, and I love that I met your husband randomly, like, at a conference, and then we're like, oh, we're moving in for a year. And you're like, okay, we're down the street.

Lesley Logan 2:37  

It's really funny how the world works. 

Joy Hoover 2:39  

Right? The universe loves to combine, you know, unite the right people. So yeah, I'm Joy Hoover. I've been in Vegas for over 15 years working in women's safety and anti-trafficking and anti-gender-based violence. And really, my passion just comes from, like, I want women to be safe, and so I, you know, built a non-profit cupcake girls for 12 years, and then kind of pivoted into this consumer products goods. Like, people are like, why did you create a product? I'm like, I don't quite know. But no, I know. And so, yes, I'm so happy to be able to bring a product to market that is a lipstick that could save your life with tech and test strips. And you know, there's probably not one woman that's listening to this podcast that hasn't at one point or not feared for their safety, worried about their safety, or actually experienced something traumatic. And so my goal is to shift that with drunk girl bathroom energy and help us work together to be the really we're the ones we've been waiting for. So protect ourselves. 

Lesley Logan 3:39  

Yeah, I mean, like, first of all, it's really cool. So I had you, I have the product here, because I was like, this is the coolest thing. I mean, I knew what you were talking about, I've been watching you, like, before we met, I showed Brad some sort of TV show you were on. I was like, babe, look at this. Because, like, I so I'm just, like, really into it. But also, like, I just have to, I want to, like, go back to, like, you've been in Vegas 15 years. What you've been working in is an industry that is not, you know, bright, shiny roses and flowers and lots of misinformation, lots of misleading information, that kind of stuff doesn't actually mean the right people get helped. And so, I guess, like, and then you wanted to start a product, and as someone who else has a product, it is like the hardest fucking thing you'll ever do. Anytime someone's like, oh, I was thinking of doing flashcards. I'm like, okay, you can have the printer's number. Like, I don't care. Good luck when you find out how many hours behind the scenes, how much it costs to hit print, how, like, all that stuff you like, good luck to you, my dear. So how did you go from, like, something that was so hard, probably daily, to then another hard?

Joy Hoover 4:46  

I know. I was talking to an entrepreneur yesterday. I was like, I think we're just, like a glutton for punishment of actual, like, just like organized chaos, which hopefully it's somewhat organized. But yeah, I think, you know, in, let's see. We're coming up on April 10th 2025 so 12 years ago, on April 10th 2013 we had a newborn baby. Our daughter was eight days old, and we got a phone call. And that call really changed the trajectory of our life, because on the end of that call was someone who said, hey, someone, two people were shot at your parents' property. This is my husband. Both my husband and I on the call, and they don't know where your dad is, and we're literally at Town Square with our eight-day-old newborn baby picking out clothing for her newborn session. And I feel like, like our life flashed before our eyes, from like, what happened before that to what happened after that. And here we are. We're in the middle of this, you know, very, very intense work. We're the 911 phone call for so many of our clients, and we can't help. And what ended up happening is that his mom, my mother in law's final words were in a 911, phone call. And that phone call was literally help, my husband just shot my son, and he's coming after me. And on the end of that call was a gunshot. And so, you know, overnight, within, you know, seconds, we lose his brother, his mom and then his dad, he took his own life. And so here we are. You know, we fly across the country with our baby, and it's just like, what do we do now? And so what we did was a lot of healing, a lot of therapy. We've had an amazing therapist for the last 13 years, and as we started healing our own stories and continuing to show up for thousands, in fact, over 10,000 survivors that we were able to help with resources from, you know, medical and dental to new housing to, you know, moving them across country, away from, you know, abusers and pimps. And what we started realizing is, this is a systemic problem. We know that, you know, we know it's from systemic issues and from, you know, you can talk about all the things. At the end of the day, one of the biggest issues was there was nothing preventing this. Yeah, nothing. That was an easy product. I mean, we have, you know, there's pepper spray, there's, you know, but what I started learning from so many of our clients was we don't carry that because we're afraid we're gonna, like, spray our own eyes with pepper spray, or, you know, like, whatever, like all different things. And like, there has to be something easy, like, easy to use, that could actually help you in a tough situation. And really, that's when I came up with Esōes.

Lesley Logan 7:37  

Yeah, I, yeah. It's really, I, I lived in Los Angeles for a long time. And so when people, like, when we moved to Vegas, I said, I want to live where there's, like, not an HOA, and they're like, oh, not very safe over there. And I was like, right, what's not safe to you? I live across from the federal building in Los Angeles. Like, there's a protest every Saturday. I got, I got my same homeless people for the same five years that I, you know, we do Thanksgiving together. So what we'll be talking about safety wise, because it's very different, depending on, like, what you've experienced and so, but one thing that, like, I remember when I was single in L.A. was just the amount of steps you go through. You're like, I'll meet you there. No, don't pick me up. Like, and then my girlfriend had pepper spray. She got scared because someone she thought was following her. She sprayed it, the wind blew it back into her eyes, and the guy just walked right by her. So, like, we can laugh because she wasn't in danger. But like, Thank God she wasn't in danger. But like, it's true. Like, you know, like, that kind of stuff. So, so, but I always am, like, we tell women they can be empowered. We tell them to, like, do all these different things. And then, at the end of the day, they're still putting their keys to their fingers when they're walking to their car. And so, like, so, you know, beauty product lines have been around, so thankfully, there's that. But then you're trying to create a product that is helping women on the date make sure that they're not being drugged. Is that correct? 

Joy Hoover 9:05  

Yeah. I mean, the goal is anywhere. But like, you know, the original component was the test strip, was this idea of, how can we test drinks? We know one in two women have experienced drink spiking. We know this happens from, you know, sexual violence, domestic violence, into trafficking, and I'm like, that seems like a semi-easy solution of like, we got to come up with this test strip and we can, like, put it, hide it in this lipstick. Like, that seems semi-easy. And that part actually was fairly easier. The funny part was, again, I'm not like, I'm not a scientist and I'm not an engineer, and so I had to look for, right, hire a scientist and engineer to join my team. And so what I did was I looked at there was one product that had tried to go to market six years ago. Was supposed to be like a nail polish that you like, dip your finger and it changes color. 

Lesley Logan 9:52  

Cool. 

Joy Hoover 9:53  

And so, well, yeah, interestingly enough, that product never did go to market. But what happened was I, we found their patent when my attorney at first applied for ours. And so I found that guy, that scientist in LinkedIn, pursued him for eight months until he would take a call with me. And he finally took a call in May of 2022, and I was like, hey, I want to know how you did this. And I want to know if you want to work with me to make my lipstick. And he's like, he just, basically was just like, do you want to do like, the lipstick changing color, if you like, put it on and it's drugged. And I'm like, no. And he's like, okay, then I'll take a meeting with you. I was like, okay, sounds good. So anyways, that guy is the one who ended up bringing the head engineer from that company to the meeting, and I hired them to develop my product, and we did from everything. And they it was funny because I, they were over, they were in North Carolina, and so I hadn't met them, but when we launched the actual product, they flew in, and they were, when they talked about, they're like, you know, usually we're like, testing things that are more like, you know, your everyday type things. It's not that often we have a whole bunch of roofies in the, you know, and all this alcohol that we're like, testing all these things, and I'm like, yeah I know.

Lesley Logan 11:02  

I know. Like, the warnings, like, please don't drink the things in the fridge today, everyone, please don't do it.

Joy Hoover 11:07  

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So. 

Lesley Logan 11:11  

Okay, so, so many takeaways from this, because, like, one, it's easy for us to get stuck on, like, the component we don't know, you know, like the part of the thing we don't know. Two, your perseverance attract this guy down to get him to answer, like, okay, we gotta make sure you are, like, on every project of things that will change the world. And then three, I just wanna highlight the dates of things, 2022, that is three years ago that were, you know, like, how, like, this has been in your this has been part of, like, your creation. For how many years have you been working on this product? Because I think, like, by the time I see it, I'm like, oh, this is like, you know, last year or whatever, whenever you did the show. But that's not when you started it. That's not when the idea came. That's not when you started putting time, money, investments, you know, time away from your family.

Joy Hoover 12:00  

Absolutely. Yeah. So I, basically, I hired an attorney in and put on a credit card to put the first $10,000 on to apply for a patent for this idea on like October, like second and then October 27th which would have been my mother in law's 70th birthday. So we've kind of honored her by bringing 100 people into our backyard and basically showing them the world's ugliest PowerPoint to basically show that like, show the concept, the idea.

Lesley Logan 12:31  

Is this a 2020? 

Joy Hoover 12:32  

This is 2021. 

Lesley Logan 12:33  

Okay, okay, okay, yeah.

Joy Hoover 12:35  

Yep. And so, I mean, because we knew we would need money and we needed support to do this, like, yeah. I mean, you know, I'm person, I'm, I'm a big component of, like, of everything I do, I feel like, is hustle, yeah, but without the right resources and the, without the right community around you, hustle doesn't matter, right? And so I think that's an important thing is like, you have to know who's on your side. You have to know who's in your you know, who's in your back, you know, literal backyard? Yeah, we literally took all the furniture from our inside of our house, put it on the outside of our house, like, even our TV off the wall, and, like, did this whole thing, and basically said, we're gonna do this. Who can, who wants to support, who wants to invest? And right away, we raised, like, that night, we raised $25,000 and and all these people were like, please do this. Like, this is we need, we need this, right? 

Lesley Logan 13:27  

And I think what, what's really cool about it, because when, you know when, when I got to see it, and everything we're talking about, like, all the different women who, you know, today, in a world where, like, you're not going to the office all the time, you are having meetings, real estate agents are meeting people at home alone, you know, like my, when I was a Pilates instructor, I rented space, and so a lot of people have this, like this misinformation of like, oh, if it's a brick and mortar, like, nothing bad's gonna happen to me. But I was gonna teach a guy at 5:30 in the morning, it's dark outside in L.A., no one is walking by this brick and mortar, you know, like, I'm aware of how the brick and mortar set up. I'm aware that there's staircases, like I'm aware of these things. And so I had this guy who wanted a session. I said, with all due respect, I'm gonna need your full name so that I can look you up, because I am going to meet you alone at 5:30 in the morning in Los Angeles. And to his credit, he was so cool about it. He goes, of course. He's like, I have a daughter. I would expect nothing. I would want her to do the same thing. He's like, here's my LinkedIn, here's all the things. And I could see, like, okay, he legitimately is someone who lives in New York, lives, I had all the things. So while he came in the door. I wasn't opening the door for a random dude. I was like, you know, so, like, I was really grateful, but I was thinking with this, it's like, oh, how nice, like, to just have the opportunity to know that you are taking care of yourself on another level of security so you can take actions you want to take. Like, I don't want any, I'm sure you don't want this for your kids. Like, I don't want any of my girlfriends to ever live in fear. I don't want them to make oh, I'm not going to go take that meeting, because I'm going to be alone, you know, like you. So I feel like this product is also just empowering women to actually be able to do more of the things they want to do. 

Joy Hoover 15:10  

100% and that's really why we added the tech component. Because while testing your drink is great, what we started learning more and more, and I had my own experience with it, but I started kind of getting other women's experience who had experienced drink spiking, or, you know, felt like maybe something was off. And really, my question was, how quick could you have gotten out of there? You know that the statistics say around 13 minutes. These drugs metabolize in your system, and then you're, you're literally blacked out sometimes for 24 hours. And so what we, you know, started identifying was, how could they call for help immediately, sure they might probably have their phone on them, but could they, you know, open it up and, you know, make the call? Whereas with Esōes, we built a fully customized app that connects with the lipstick, so you can basically set it up to push it once, twice or three times, and it can do all different things, from sound a loud alarm to send a text or your location to even, you know, send an actual phone call, everything's all the messages and everything are customizable, but the final thing is to priority dispatch authorities to your location.And we know, because we know that calling 911, sometimes it's between life or death and you're put on hold. We experience it a lot with clients, right? And so we're like, we have to have something that's gonna no matter what, know their location immediately and priority dispatch, like, put their emergency at the top of the list. Which, by the way, saved our house, like, last year, which, like, is a whole other thing. But, that's right, right, literally, like my husband's on hold with 911, and I pushed the lipstick, and they have our location, and within like five minutes, two fire trucks come to the house, run in, find the find the fire, put it out and everything. And the captain comes out, and he's like, it's so good we came when we did. Had we come about 10 to 15 minutes later, we wouldn't even have been able to save the bones of your house (inaudible) so fast. 

Lesley Logan 17:01  

I mean, I have an experience hold. I remember back in that time in L.A., so you guys, we live literally across straight from the Federal building. There was a strip of like, land between, like, the parking lot and the sidewalk. So, like, you know how, like, when you park a car, there's like, little cement things like, don't go any further with this car. So between that and the sidewalk, which means it's Federal property, so the homeless people are very smart guys. They're like, they're not like, so they put their tents there. The Federal people are not going to come kick the tents off, you know, and then the police can't touch them. But what has happened? What happened is someone threw a cigarette, it got on the mulch, and the mulch caught on fire. So Brad and I are driving home from yoga, and there's a fire like, you know, across the street from our house. And so I call 911 the fire department, you guys, is literally a block away. It's just one block north, one block north. I call 911, I, it says, call back later. The phone line is busy. I didn't get a hold called like, so I had a cup of coffee, and I was like, Brad, do you want your coffee? He's like, yeah, I want my coffee. So I threw my coffee on the fire. He finds a metal tray and is pulling the mulch onto the sidewalk so they can't keep catching fire. The fire department drives up and they go, excuse me, what are you doing? And we're like, we're putting the fire out. And they were like, like, kind of looking at us, like, like, we started the fire. And I was like, no, no, just do it. Just here doing your job, because I live across the street, you weren't answering. So, like, I do understand, like, it can be so frustrating, and obviously they're understaffed and they're underfunded, and that's all these different things, but, also, you know, like, I listen to a lot of different things, and if we knew locations, like, I keep my locations on so my husband knows where I am all the time. But, like, I'm married, what if you are single? What if you don't have that access? Or what if it is someone in your family that it's you have to have these options? And I think this is really, really cool, and I love that there's an app for it that allows people I recently was in I was I had have had some interesting Uber experiences where I have to go, excuse me, let me just call my husband let him know I'm coming home, because I don't want them to know I'm going home to an empty house. But I heard that this girl was like, said that on her Uber ride, she her Uber driver pulled a mask up over space and pressed a button, and the gas came in the car, and she had the forethought to just open the door and get out of the car, like, lucky it wasn't locked, right? And so now there's all these things, like, ladies make sure the window is cracked, make sure this all these freaking things we have to do. So we need a tool so that we can sit in an Uber and feel like, okay, like I have something to protect myself. I don't have to rely on, you know, someone seeing me from outside. 

Joy Hoover 19:47  

Yep, absolutely. And interestingly enough, like, what the reason we did the location piece is because we had multiple clients who would literally call us. I still have text messages from like, one of them who was like. It showed me like, I'm tied to a bed. I don't know where I am, like, my trafficker will not let me leave. And I need help. I need someone. And I'm like, where are you? Like, I don't, I can't, like, just find you, you know? And like, there was so many situations where it was like we had the ability to go somewhere, but we didn't know where to go, yeah. And so we say, like, whether you want to just get out of a boring meeting, you can push the button and it can send, like, you know, your assistant or your staff member, like, oh, gotta go. Gotta get out of this meeting. But like, or if it's just one of those traumatic experiences, you know, like, I was talking about our product in a women's event last month, and this woman, this mother, stood up and she's crying, and she's like, your product saved my daughter's life. And I'm like, she's like, you know, she was out in Chicago, she was drinking like she felt off. She tested her drink, her dress was positive, but she was like, almost blacking out, pushed the button. Her best friend got her location and where she was, pulls up and, like, she's safe now. And I'm like, that is it, right? That's the story we want. I mean, we don't want there still to be someone to be drugged or someone to be harmed, but we want the this could have been a very different story.

Lesley Logan 21:14  

Yeah, well, and I'm, like you said, like, prevention, like the back to, going back to your story of the, I mean, like, so much of your family has gone through. But like, if we can prevent things, then you know it does, not only are lives safe, but then there's the rest of the life that is still saved. Like, there's all these different things. And so there you can't all we, obviously, we'd love to figure out, like, what is going on with people that are making these decisions to harm people. But like, we can't do that. And so, like, if we can sit we can save women from going through these things, or anyone who uses this product, by the way, because, like, you know what, you've got some beautiful lipsticks. I think anyone can use it. So I wonder, you know what, obviously, you're getting this product out. Like, what are you most excited about right now, and and how, like, how are people hearing about you? Because that's the other thing, right? Like, people are listening. I wanted to have you on for a few words. I want people to hear perseverance. I also just freaking I'm obsessed with how much you get community involved. Like, before I knew you, Joy, like you don't know this, like I saw you invest a coffee shop probably in 2021 because we would have been going out, and I saw you, and because I knew you from the nonprofit that I had seen videos on all this different stuff. And like you there, you always bring people in on the thing you're doing. And recently, I got an email or a text and was like, I'm doing this, and I need like, I'm like, this woman always brings a community in. So that's one of the reasons why I have you on the show, because I need people to hear like, that part of it. But like, what are you most excited about now and what's next for the product? Like, how are people hearing about it? 

Joy Hoover 22:51  

Yeah, absolutely. So we, you know, we are relaunching now. Like, post fire. We kind of took all the feedback from our users and rebuilt. Now we're back in stock nine months later. And so April's a really exciting month. I know this is coming out a little bit after that, but we're, we're building this movement of like, you know, Swipe Red. The idea is, like, we see red flags, we call them out. I think one of the issues with women overall is that we don't listen to our guts. We feel like we gaslight ourselves, right? So it's like that we have this slogan. It's like, no more shame, no more doubt. We see red flags. We call them out, Right? And so it's this idea of this whole Swipe Red movement we have on our website where people can submit an experience they had to kind of say this, you know, be looking out for this. And we also have an area where, where people can submit a question, like, is this just the ick or is it a red flag that I need to watch out for in this kind of, you know, experience that I had, or this person is giving me this vibe, right? And so the whole point of Esōes is really like, we want to end the epidemic of gender-based violence. We're doing that in you know, fun ways with lipstick, you know, kind of, I mean, really, it's like a whole new way of redefining personal safety, essentially, right? But it doesn't stop there. We know that this is a community problem, so it needs community solutions. So we are training bars, nightclubs, restaurants, casinos, you know, universities educating on the nuances of violence. We teach all different components of that, and we show them, and they get our product, and we teach them how to use it. And so even if, like, you know, people that are closing a restaurant at night or a bar at night, if it's two in the morning in Vegas, like they have, you know, cash to put at the bank, or if they're just, you know, leaving by themselves, a lot of times, they then have our lipstick just to have on them, or to have, you know, emergency services on the phone just in case. So for us, it really is an overarching movement of women watching out for women. I mean, obviously men, we our test strips. We now have, you know, a key chain that can go on the on your, you know, keys, so you can have, like, test strips in there. And so we know it's not just a women problem, but we know it starts with women, because we know 93% of perpetrators are male, unfortunately. And so for us, it really is like the drunk girl bathroom energy component is if I'm in a space within, basically within 40 feet of where I am, if my lipstick goes off, essentially, if my app goes off, but I didn't push my lipstick, it could be someone else who pushed theirs. So anyone's phone can go off that has it in that space. And again, it's the idea of like, you might not need it, but someone around you might. And the whole thing is, like, it's just about prevention, right? No one wants to think, What if I get raped? What if I get drugged? What if something happens to me, right? I'm sure my mother-in-law wasn't thinking, what if my life ends today? You know, never did he go to jail, never did she say anything about domestic violence. But we know, we knew he was abusive, and so for 40 years, she lived in that and that's how she ended her life, right? And so for us, it's just, you never know. Abusers aren't like, hey, I'm an abuser, right? They are, they are slick, they are career criminals. They oftentimes look like, you know, the best person in society, and they're not. And then behind closed doors, it's hidden violence, and that is what we saw over and over and over. So it's just, what can we put in everyone's hands? And then how can we educate all of us on what to look for? Should we have to do this? Fuck no, we should not have to. Unfortunately, though, no one's coming for us, so we're coming for ourselves.

Lesley Logan 26:43  

Yeah, I mean, it's so true. Like, my mom was like, there's, like, a certain hand, if you see this hand, that people are doing that, like, that's a girl saying, I'm like, okay, hold on. Now, I gotta know the hand. Okay, I got it. And I will say, like, I've been to several restaurants where, like, in the bathroom, it's like, if you order this drink, we will get you out of the situation. And I am obsessed with that. I was like, I'm gonna drink here more because, like, I'm at least tell my girlfriends to come here because, like, you're keeping people safe, like they're the community is in small pieces coming together to combat something, and I think that's the only way it gets solved. But I really, I really do love the empowerment of what your tools are doing. And I also love how much feedback you are getting, so that you guys can just continue to make it better and make it more accessible, make it a key chain, versus all these different things that are, that are you're being told. And you know, nobody wants to like, here's the reason. Like this topic, the pod is called Be It Till You See It. Nobody wants to think about these things when they're thinking about achieving their goals. And yet, there are going to be situations where you need help, or someone around you does. And so I thought like, wow, okay, so maybe all the, maybe most of the women who listen to this are not at all needing something like this, but maybe they have a daughter who's about to go to college. Maybe they have a friend's kid, they have a niece, they have a new coworker who is going to go show homes like, how can we start gifting things to people that help support them on their journey and in their dreams of all the things they want to do so they're not they don't become a victim. We prevent it before it happens. 

Joy Hoover 28:17  

Yeah, you know, we all carry phones, right? We carry a phone because we might need to call someone or, obviously, we, wherever most people work from it. But I think shifting the narrative, you know, the narrative from like, what if I have to call 911, to like, just to have it, just in case. It's like having a Band-Aid, having, you know, like we were literally driving down the road, like a couple weeks ago, and there was a kid walking barefoot on the side of the road. We tried calling 911, we got put on hold. We just pushed the lipstick, right, like, please, can someone come to this location? We're right here with him. Like, we're not sure if he's okay. We want to make sure. But, like, just, it's just that component of it. And I think, I think because the world we live in it, there is this kind of like, well, we shouldn't have to. And I agree with that. Like, the amount of feedback we get that anytime a post goes viral on TikTok, for us, it's two main things, thank you so much. Like, what are you like, you know, Aquafaba or something like, you know, all these, like, names of, you know, women that have done things. The second thing is, this is so sad. This is so sad that we need this. I'm like, It is so sad that we need it. And at the end of the day, I'm raising two daughters. I myself am my entire life's mission is to make sure that my daughters are not one in three. I've taken that. I don't want them to experience that, right? And so I think for all of us to realize that, like when we put tools in our hands, when we are educated, and also we say this to businesses, if you're going to serve alcohol, you need to have the responsibility to know what it looks like if someone is drugged, you're not going to know these people do it. They put it in Visine bottles for Christ's sake, like they know what they're doing. It's very easy. So we teach, you know, bars and restaurants and about, how does it look to de-escalate a situation? How does it look to believe a survivor? How does it look to actively get help? Because the second thing that happens when something happens to someone who's harmed is that you're not believed, right? That's why our color, we have a color called We Believe You. We have another color code, It's Not The Dress like we need to shift the culture. And that's part of the red flag piece is like, shift the shame from survivor to perpetrator. It is not our fault. Our test strips are called Trust Issues For a Reason, because we shouldn't, because we all have trust issues. It's not our fault for having those.

Lesley Logan 30:41  

No, we're not born with them like it's created. And I, I think it I agree, like, when I hear like we shouldn't have to do that, I fucking agree like we shouldn't have to go (inaudible). There's a lot of things right now that, like having to call my congressman daily and remind them of, like, what I fucking want them to do for me. You know, that's annoying. I don't want to do that anymore. I do miss a time when we didn't even know you're you didn't know your congressman, because they just did the job that they said they were gonna do. So I missed that, but also at the same time, like, if we don't do things where we can, you know, we can't do everything like I can't solve all of the problems in the world, but if we can all go, okay, I'm gonna, but I can, I, here's what I can do for my friends in my life. Here's what I can do for the family my life. Here's what I can do for my neighborhood. I do watch my neighbor's houses. Yes, the house across the street from us was empty for months. Do you think that we made sure everyone walking that house was supposed to be was supposed to be there? Yes, we did. Excuse me. Hi. Are you here for something? Do you contract her? 

Joy Hoover 31:50  

Yep, I love it. 

Lesley Logan 31:48  

No, I'm not the owner of this house, but I'm watching you. I'm watching got my camera on, watching you. Like that was the neighbors that we were, because that's the only way you keep your community healthy and safe. You know, we all have to look out for the other people around us. 

Joy Hoover 32:02  

Yeah, and if we do that, we can prevent lifelong trauma, like, that's the thing that we you know, this prevention piece of it was missing from the work we were doing, because I'm like, these women will never be the same. They will never heal fully. You cannot. Like my, I don't know where my eight year old found this thing, but she did this thing. She came in my room and she's like, Mom, I want to show you something. Okay, she had a piece of paper, she crumbled it up, and then she's like, she was using it as, like, words. She's, she has this one girl at school that's not treating her well, and she's having a really hard time. She's like, I told this is what I told her. I was like, I scrunched this paper up and said, you know, you can say the mean words, and then I can open it up and try to, like, you know, smooth it out. But is it smooth? And I'm like, you said that to her, and she's like, I did. I did say that to her. I was like, oh, my God I love you so much. But that's the truth. It will never be smooth. Like, you're never not going to fear or feel the trauma that lives in your body once you experience it. Not only that, but the implications on the mental and physical health you know of a person. But it's also the economic impact. In Nevada, we have a one in two domestic violence rate in women not one in four. Like it's normal, it's one in two here. We also have one of the sickest things that we're known for here, is that since 1993 we have the highest rate of male partners killing their female partners in the nation. Now you mentioned, obviously trafficking and other things, and so I'm just like, this is my community. I've lived here for 15 years. I'm not, I don't want to be known for these things. I want to be known for a community that steps up for their community.

Lesley Logan 33:48  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and it's, you know, it's one of the reasons that we actually, because I did not know those stats when I moved here, I don't know that it stopped me. But, like, I think it's an interesting thing, right? Like, when you look at that stuff, you can't unsee it. But one of the things that I love about this town is is the community of the locals who come together and they like, truly, like, one of the things I always say is, like, if I'm doing an event, people will freaking show up. And if they don't show up, they share, and if they can't share it, they like, they like, ask if I need any help with anything else. Like, there's just, there is that. And I think that's actually in a lot more cities. And I think if you're feeling lonely, you gotta go find the people who are trying to make change where it feels like that it's an uphill battle. Like, why would you do that? So find the people like Joy and and that because do you get to feel like you're part of something, and you get to be part of something, and then you're there's safety in it, you know, like people see my car and they are looking around for me like, that is one thing I know. Like every time I park my car, people are like, I get text messages, where are you? And I love that. I'm like, I like, I joke because we finally got an actual car. I was like, I do want to wrap it in a bright color. I want people to know. Be like, why would you want people know it's you and I'm like, because I want people looking out for me. I want people like, sure, a stalker could find me, whatever they could always find me and whatever car like, but I want the people in my neighborhood to go, oh, she's around somewhere, and be looking out for me, because I do that for them. Like, that's what I want, you know. So it's really cool. Okay, Joy, you are a woman who does a lot of things you never do one thing. Is there anything else you're excited about right now that we need to know about? 

Joy Hoover 35:22  

Well, I'm, I'm in a class learning to run for politics right now. 

Lesley Logan 35:27  

It's insane. 

Joy Hoover 35:29  

It is absolutely insane. And so I've got, like, we, I graduate from the class in July. This class was built, actually built for Kamala when she was trying to run it for AG, and she needed a community of people to help, and so they built this kind of thing. And so it's me. I'm part of one of 20 women in this class, but my goal is, is to run for office. So I, you know, never wanted to. People always be like, you should run for office. I'm like, hell no. Like, I don't want to do politics, right? But if not us, then who? And like, again, like, my number one issue is women's safety, and I can't believe we've never had a politician who stood on violence against women in our town when we are known for these things I just said, right? So I'm, yeah, I'm, you know, raising money for training, and then finishing training and then just identifying what first, eventually, my goal is Congress, but I'll probably run a local race first to start doing some local Nevada stuff, seeing how we can get the community activated, and then start getting, you know, the nation activated, because Lord knows we need it.

Lesley Logan 36:33  

Yeah, I love that you're doing this. You're brave. I mean, you already knew that. But, like, I know people always ask me and Brad, like, are you guys gonna do politics? And I'm like, I would rather have enough money to just give to the right person to go into politics, because I, I think I get too angry. I get too angry, and I just not gonna come out, right? I'm not gonna win. I'm not gonna win any flies with honey. So, so, but I, but I do, I do agree. I can see, like, especially with going on. I'm like, okay, fuck there's just fucking no, who am I donating to? Like, what's going on? So like, at some point you know, and you have to. And then also, just, like in not just local, but there doesn't need to be someone who knows information like you, because the misinformation doesn't help anyone, and no one representing it doesn't help anyone. And also people just and also the really fact that matters, there's too many fucking men in politics who don't know a woman's experience, and they think, well, I was a good husband and I didn't hurt anyone. So, like, this doesn't really happen. And my sons don't like, they don't see it, you know. And so I think it's really, really great. So you guys watch this space. We'll see where Joy is. I would love to know, just make sure. Obviously, we'll vote, because we vote for everything so.

Joy Hoover 37:37  

Well, you know, the the other piece about women running is how much money it takes to run these races. It's like, for Assemblywoman or State Senate, it's like 200 grand to raise. For Congress, it's over 2 million. And so you look at, and also, by the way, those state, local, those pay like 9000 a year, so you're also working, so like, it minim, you know, it minimizes the amount of people who can run for these positions. And that actually.

Lesley Logan 38:05  

You can't have an actual hourly job. You have to have it, yeah, no, it's really, it's, it's really unfortunate. It's really the whole system's a disaster. But, you know, we need, we actually do need to fight for it, and we need to fight for it with people who actually are looking out for the community, you know, looking out for people. Yeah.

Joy Hoover 38:27  

We are the ones we've been waiting for. Like, if there's one thing that I feel like, I wake up every day realizing like, one is a discipline of hope, and two, like you are the person you need, right? It's like we, you know, you say that about like, your your inner child, your younger self, like you are the one who would make them proud, right? Make the world proud. Be that person that you're going like, I want this to change, because not everyone can do that, or, you know, even wants to do it, and that's okay too. I didn't for a long time, but I don't know. I guess I feel like the women's safety needs every component. And we can't just have a product, and we can't just have education, and we can't just have politics, and we can't just, right? We need a an overarching solution to truly see this epidemic change, and that what our family is committed to. 

Lesley Logan 39:13  

Yeah. Ah, Joy. You're doing so many great things. We're take a brief break and then find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you. 

Joy Hoover 39:22  

Perfect. 

Lesley Logan 39:23  

Okay, Joy. Where do they hang? Where do you hang out? Where do they get this amazing product I'm showing it if you're watching on the YouTube. Look at this cute thing. Look at this. Look at this. We got the lipstick.

Joy Hoover 39:36  

That's the local hand-painted too, by a local artist. We have two versions. We have that one and we have this one now.

Lesley Logan 39:42  

Oh my gosh, it's so fun. Oh my God. I love the art. I love the women on it. I love it. I love it. It's like, it's like, the best. And so we've got this is, this is really cute. It says Thirst Trap. And this is what you could put over your cup. I just think it's, I think the names are so cute. Yeah, it's like a, it's like a condom for your cup guys. And then the Trust Issue. These are the test strips. 

Joy Hoover 40:08  

Yep, yes. Oh, and you haven't seen it yet, but we have, we'll have to bring him out front Lesley, because we have, we're launching Trustee, the bear, the mascot. This, this.

Lesley Logan 40:22  

Oh, my God, please, please, please, walk it through my driveway. 

Joy Hoover 40:25  

He may just knock on your door at some point. You never know. 

Lesley Logan 40:28  

I love it. I want to film it for a story. So you've got and there's all this information. So where do they go to Swipe Red to get to get all this stuff?

Joy Hoover 40:36  

Yeah, so it's Esōes, but it's not spelled S-O-S. It's spelled E-S-O-E-S, covert spelling, Esōes Cosmetics, you can find us on Tiktok, Instagram, Facebook, all the things. And then our website is esoescosmetics.com and yeah, we are on TikTok shop. We're online. We have it. We're gonna get back into a couple local stores here. But then our goal is obviously to keep expanding into larger retail because we want as many people as possible to have access to this. 

Lesley Logan 41:03  

Yes, yes, and so and guys like, again, like, college is starting, there's a reason to buy this for any woman in your life. And so I really appreciate not having to get some another face mask. I really just. 

Joy Hoover 41:17  

Right, yeah, for every, every high school graduate, like, imagine if they bring that to college, because also the first like, the Red Zone. It's called the Red Zone, which is basically like when you arrive in college to Christmas, is the highest amount of sexual and domestic violence that happens in the whole year. 

Lesley Logan 41:34  

Whoa. 

Joy Hoover 41:35  

Everyone that is new, especially new people on campus, need to be carrying something. Again, these are solvable issues. That's what we're here for.  

Lesley Logan 41:42  

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so we're all gonna get that. We're all gonna follow you. We're gonna go on a journey. We're gonna watch her rise in politics. We're gonna say we knew her when. You've given us a lot. And I wanna say, like, I love the like, swiping red on shame. I think that that is, like, something really important. I had a therapist who was like, I want to just caveat, like, my ex was not abusive, but she had said I ignored red flags of the relationship not working out on the first dates. And she said, you have to start practicing noticing red flags. I'm so grateful for that therapist, because I did. I went on a date with a guy. I was like, it feels really controlling. That's a real red flag to me, you know, like, so, like, just real. It was really great. So I love that. But I also want to say, like, if there's anything else, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? 

Joy Hoover 42:32  

Yeah, I would just say, one, hold space for yourself. You can't heal the world or do your dreams if you're not healing yourself first. So I would say that first, and then the second thing is, just try it, like, what's the worst that could happen? I think there's so many dreams that people have and these ideas and ambitions. I mean, I'm a hair stylist who invented this, like, tech, you know, tech and scientific component of a lipstick like and I always say, if I can do it, you can. But the only reason people that actually do things are because we just go, oh, I'm real scared, but I guess I'm just going to keep doing it anyways, right? So heal yourself so that that then you can step into what it is that you want to do. But give it a try.

Lesley Logan 43:11  

Yeah, yeah. Give it a try, you guys. I can't tell you how many times I hear that and I'm like, yeah, it gives like, it's like, it's a reminder we all need. And it is very true, like it is not selfish to take a pause on helping others to heal yourself, because you will be able to do so much more from that.

Joy Hoover 43:29  

It's not only not selfish, it's it is selfish of you not to heal first. I know that is a rude way to say that, but I just want to be very clear, if you are trying to heal yourself by healing other people, you will harm other people. You have to heal first. And if you don't, you will make you will, you will have best intentions, but impact over I mean, intent versus impact are very different. You may intend to do good, but if you are trying to heal you first, you gotta heal you first period. 

Lesley Logan 43:59  

Yeah, I'm really glad you said that. It's very it's very true. And I tell people all the time that, like, self-care isn't selfish care. It's actually very selfish. And I say it for a different reason, because I have a different line of work, and I'm like, it is selfish of you to not take care of yourself and then become a dependent and liability to your young children. Sorry, it just is. So there's a whole different was, like, and this is a whole other way of thinking about it. But intent and impact are very different things. And so, everyone, you have the most full permission to go take care of you so that you can do things in your community and for others you want to. Joy Hoover, thank you so much. We must hang out again. And everyone, until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 44:40  

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Brad Crowell 45:23  

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hi Be It babe, welcome back to the FYF episode, the Fuck Yeah Friday episode, the episode where we are inspired before we go into the weekend that we've been looking forward to. I hope for you. Also we share your wins. And the cool thing about that is that you get to one, inspire other people what a win is. Two, when I share your win, you might actually need a reminder that you had that win. I know I do. I'm filming these before we leave for tour, so I can't wait that while I'm on tour, and probably a little tired of driving and getting a little tired of living out of the van, because we're going on week three that I'll be reminded of a win. I had to be like, oh yeah, I did that. I'm amazing, right? You're amazing. We're all amazing because we're being it until we see it around here. 

Lesley Logan 1:27  

So first share, something that inspired me on the internet that I think you need to know. So these are seven phrases to put someone in their place without raising your voice. So we'll put the link in the show notes so you can, like, save this for yourself as well. But I thought this is really great, because do you remember in You've Got Mail she's like, I just wish I knew the right thing to say the right time. And he's like, well, you have to, like, you know, remember that whatever you say, when you say what you're gonna say, you have to live with that. And it's like, yeah, but sometimes you have to put someone in their place, and you want to do it without raising your voice, because then you won't feel bad about it, correct? I know I won't. If I don't raise my voice, I could be, you know, like, I'm just giving someone candid information about how they're treating someone. So here's number one, you're not used to people holding you accountable. That's not my problem. Do this with a straight spine and a soft tone. There's like, actual little tips on these. So number one, you're not used to people holding you accountable. That's not my problem. So I love that, because some people don't like when we hold them accountable to things, and they get frustrated, and it's like, well, you get to be frustrated, like, sometimes we'd be the lesson people have to learn. All right, number two, you clearly thought I wouldn't respond. That was your first mistake. So I love this person at one, because they said, I don't argue, I clarify. So we're not in argument. I'm clarifying. You clearly thought I wouldn't respond. That was your first mistake. Number three, let's be honest, you weren't looking for a conversation. You were looking for control. Number four, I'm not here to match disrespect, I'm here to show you where it ends. Oh, so good. It says to read it again, one more time for you. I'm not here to match disrespect, I'm here to show you where it ends. Oh, can you imagine? Like, do you, like, picture the person who's like, being so disrespectful right now in your life, and just like, say, ah, practice it in your head, make sure you find a time to say it. All right, number five, you don't get to play the victim when you started the fire. Oh, that one's for the manipulated person in your life. You're you don't get to play the victim when you started the fire. Number six, keep the same energy when I stop responding completely. So, you know, someone who's probably acting confused or raising their voice or like doing this stuff, it's like, if you were really clear, then you can, you don't have to go back and forth with people. This is definitely for the narcissist in your life. Number seven, I don't raise my voice. I raise the standard, and now you know. So this is basically saying I meant what I said, and you just say it calmly. All right, so they also finish this up with saying power isn't about shouting, it's about making someone rethink everything they just said without you even flinching. So I think this is really important, because I wasn't really taught to, like, I wasn't really taught to talk back to people. And I think that was, it's fine. My parents were well intentioned. It's not like, a huge deal. But sometimes I like, I'm the person who, like, leaves the conversation like, oh, I should have said that. Oh, I should have said that. And so, like, I just wanted to give some phrases to you, in case you find yourself in a narcissistic, manipulated or working with a contractor or someone that you've hired to do a project in your home, and they try to make you feel like you're stupid. You are not stupid. They were not clear, or they, they misrepresented a timeline that they couldn't do. And so you know having phrases like this and others in your back pocket will help you continue to be in control of what you can control, right? And you can you can't control what people say or do or think about you, but you can stand up for yourself and demand the respect that you deserve. So anyways, hopefully those help let me know if you use any of them. 

Lesley Logan 4:55  

Okay, this is a win from Jennifer Lapina. She's an eLevate grad. She said, just wanted to say how much I appreciate the Pilates system since eLevate, that's my mentorship program, guys, I have embraced incorporating mat exercises into my private lessons. Previously, I felt pressured to teach physical equipment per client expectation. Now, I always start newbies with mat and only pepper and springs and the fun stuff when I feel they're ready for the connection, always referring them to the shape and or feeling of doing X, Y, Z, as I've seen clients experience my new way of teaching, I can definitely see them progress and embody it quicker. And much to my surprise, if given the choice, most of my clients will choose to take it to the mat. Pilates so much more than mere exercise. I love seeing the satisfaction in their faces when they can finally do the thing that frustrated them for weeks or even months prior. I recently had a long term client master something, and I asked her, what made it click. She looked surprised and simply said that was the way I taught her. Grateful for the compliment. But honestly, it's not me. It's the system. It just works. Jennifer Lapina, I couldn't agree more. It's really something that I'm so grateful for, that I get to use the system that I that I I'm not having to make things up or take on something like Joe gave us this wonderful system, and I guess, I get to use it, and I get to use it for the client that's in front of me and what they need. And it means that there's not right and wrong or black and white, there's just like, what is right for you today, and that kind of practice, that's why I love Pilates so much, that kind of practice is something we get it in our minds, we get it in our bodies. We get in our clients bodies, you guys, and it helps you with other things you're doing in your life. What is right for me today? What does my body need? What a great practice you can have there. What a great way to honor yourself and listen to what your body is. So way to go. Jennifer, thank you for sharing, and congratulations on all you've done. 

Lesley Logan 6:50  

Okay, so Brad and I started a hiking tradition, and I just want to share it with you, because we obviously don't are not in town every single day or every single weekend. In fact, we haven't been in town for a couple of weeks, but when we lived in L.A. we used to hike at least one time a month, maybe two. And depending on travel and we running shoes, was never like this, like the thing we had, like, we're professionals. And then we, you know, moved to Vegas, and we kind of got out of hiking because of the just the summer weather here, so we thought, and so we never really invested in the shoes. We also had dogs that couldn't really hike, but Bayon could, and we'd be on the road. We're like, oh, let's find, like, a hike or a trail, but like, we're kind of out of hiking shape, to be completely honest. And now that we have one dog, and we live in an area that we drive 30 minutes, it's like 20 degrees cooler or even more. And so we started going hiking. And we went to the store, got shoes for the dog, got shoes for ourselves, truly invested in this, like hobby. And I have to say, if you've been listening to the podcast for a while, you know I've been hobby hunting. I am loving that we're hiking again. Oh my God, I didn't need a new hobby. I need to return to another hobby I used to have, and I absolutely love it. And we can't hike at all the trails that are near us because of the heat, but when the fall comes, we're ready to hike those ones. And so it's quite cool being able to do that. And so you're like, how is this a win? The win is one we like said, let's do it. And then on, it was like, Memorial Day, it was like, oh, should we go hiking today? And like, of course, we could have been like, oh, we gotta clean the closets out. We gotta do these things, or 17 other things on our schedule to do. But instead, we're like, no, we said we wanna go hiking this weekend. It's the last day of the weekend. Let's go hiking. And we went, and it was absolutely so much fun. Until the next weekend, we went and got shoes and went straight to a hike. And on this tour, we've done several hikes, and I'm just really, I'm really excited to see where this goes. And so if you need a moral of the story, if you said you wanted to do something, give yourself permission to go do it. Right? Yes, you're busy. Yes, there's a million things you could be doing. But you know what? I haven't regarded a single hike we've done, and it's really fun to see the dog really enjoy it. He gets exercise. We get exercise. So a little bit of investment financially, and now it's just the time. And it's great. It's really fun. We also, if you listen to the last FYF, we are not really on our phones, you know, like, I have the trail map out so that I, like, know that we're going somewhere, but like, we're not checking email, we're not checking text, we're not we're like, we don't even listen to a podcast. We're just listening to the sounds of the of the nature, and it's really quite grounding. And in like a chaotic life, it's something that we need. So my win is pick back up hiking. And it took us five years taking this down, and I regret that we waited this long, but I'm super, super happy that we're doing it now. 

Lesley Logan 9:46  

So, send your questions or your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. You can send in mini questions and mini wins. We can't wait to share them with people. Send this episode, or any of your favorite episodes to a friend who needs this help. The podcast grows because of you. And so the more listeners, the better guests we can get. So please share this with a friend who needs it, and you know what to do, until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 9:46  

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Brad Crowell 10:50  

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Lesley Logan 10:54  

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Brad Crowell 10:59  

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Lesley Logan 11:05  

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Brad Crowell 11:09  

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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell recap the eye-opening interview with David Corbin, a bestselling author and TEDx speaker known for his concept of brand slaughter. Together, they explore how misaligned actions can quietly destroy trust, impact, and identity in both business and life. Tune in for practical strategies to stay aligned with your brand and lead with clarity and confidence.

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• Why self-awareness is crucial for growth and leadership.

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

You can apply the concept of brand slaughter to what I was just talking about, where they're answering the phone, and instead of the response being, oh, well, what kind of pizza do you want? They're like, I don't know what I want. You know that is brand slaughter, right? Because you're now pushing the decision back on the person who doesn't know what they need in the first place, and they don't know what their options are. So what are they going to do? They're not gonna do anything, right, so that, that creates brand slaughter. 

Lesley Logan 0:23  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:02  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intuitive convo I have with David Corbin in our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that one, you should go listen to that one. It's really fun. It's hilarious.

Brad Crowell 1:18  

Fascinating conversation. 

Lesley Logan 1:19  

The way it started is quite hilarious. 

Brad Crowell 1:21  

The way it started he's talking about, when you, when you said, you know, who are you and what do you rock at? He said, well, you know, my, my late mother could never describe, you know, what I do for a living, and she thought I just laundered money as my job.

Lesley Logan 1:37  

But also, like, I forget, because in the episode, do we discover how he got on the show in the episode?

Brad Crowell 1:44  

No. 

Lesley Logan 1:45  

No, okay.

Brad Crowell 1:46  

I came into the room afterwards. So for those of you who are wondering. 

Lesley Logan 1:48  

Because I think we talked about it in the episode. 

Brad Crowell 1:48  

Well, okay, okay, I'm actually going to share a little bit about that as we get further into this episode. So hang on. Stick around. We'll talk about how did we connect with David Corbin in the first place? Today. 

Lesley Logan 2:04  

Is August 7th 2025 and today's days were not really aligned with the Be It pod message. So we're looking at tomorrow, August 8th, where it will be International Allyship Day. So International Allyship Day is celebrated annually on August 8th. This holiday dedicates the day to celebrating promoting the power of allyship across the globe. On this unique day, we come together to recognize the importance of standing up for one another, fostering inclusivity and building bridges of support and understanding. Dictionary.com defines allyship as a status or role of a person who advocates and actively works for the inclusion of a marginalized or politicized group in all areas of society, not as a member of that group, but in solidarity with its struggles and point of view and under its leadership. Genuine allyship does not come with special recognition. Do not get awards for confronting issues people have to live with every day. Everyday we should be thinking about this, because it's getting harder and harder for people to see other people as human and deserving, and being worthy of living and having a life that they can have access to health care and housing. And, you know, I just it's.

Brad Crowell 3:17  

I think, I think, I think we need to go one step higher than that. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Okay, let's do it. 

Brad Crowell 3:22  

When you have, when you have leaders in a position of power that are using derogatory language to anybody, towards anybody, it gives other people permission to hold that view. And what's happened in our society, in America right now, with the people who are in power is that they have no regard for anybody else, other than themselves, and so they're using language that is inflammatory and dangerous to be quite honest. 

Lesley Logan 3:50  

Well, themselves and their donors. They do care about who (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 3:54  

I don't think they care about their donors. They only care about their donors' money. They don't care about anyone except for themselves. The that when they when you use inflammatory language, it creates division in our society, across the board, it creates fear. It also gives permission for people to hold judgmental views or give excuses for other people who are doing terrible things, right? And, you know, I don't, I don't think that everything was like, figured out 10 years ago either, you know, before we had a president who didn't give a shit. But I, but I, you know, in the sense that, like, maybe before, we were nice on the surface and racist underneath, you know, but, but, but now it's like, all out in the open, and people are openly, you know, the vitriol is killing me. It's just so frustrating because there's no, it's not that niceties are the right thing. There's no, there's no respect for human dignity, right? And so even though we disagree with other people, it doesn't change the fact that they are people. Right? Except now we are changing our perspectives on that, and we're alienating others. So, you know, whether that is, you know, a whether that's politically or, what did we say here, marginalized, politicized group or a member of society, right? So it could be political, you know, rhetoric, or it could be a marginalized part of society, you know, or it could be racism, or it could be another whole culture or another whole country, you know, it doesn't matter.

Lesley Logan 5:32  

Yeah, it's really, it's really, can be really frustrating. I had headaches. My, I was saying, we're sitting at a gym and I said, oh, I'm not getting stuff at Target. My dad goes, why? And I said, well, you know, they are not supportive of DEI and my dad goes, what's DEI? And I said, okay, well, explaining what DEI was and I said, you bought under DEI, you would be an older worker, which, it's harder to get a job. You are also a veteran. Like, like, that's DEI, making sure that you are treated with what you're like what we're supposed to be treated with like, that's part of it. Like, I'm DEI, I'm a female business owner. Now, do we have other privileges? Of course we do. But that doesn't mean that they're like what people, I think, don't understand is how, is how there are the people that they're thinking that they dislike, or that they're creating words around so they don't have to think that they're worthy so much of if they had the access and the rights, you would have better access and rights. You know that we're recording this right now, when the government is trying to get rid of Medicaid, and they have been lying to people, up and down all around that they're not getting rid of Medicaid, they're getting rid of it. And here's what happens, what that means is, if Medicaid doesn't exist, you think that just because you're on Medicaid, it won't affect you, it absolutely will, because your hospital usually runs off the funds of Medicaid, and so if the hospital doesn't have those funds, you might not have a hospital near you. So just because you're not on Medicaid doesn't mean you're not affected. And I think, like, why I like this day so much is like, we have to stop thinking that, because we're different than people, like, not only do they not matter, but like, like, it's not gonna affect us if nothing, if bad things happen to them. Everything is connected.

Brad Crowell 7:07  

Everything is connected. 

Lesley Logan 7:08  

Everything is connected. 

Brad Crowell 7:13  

Like, people are like, like, to put a very specific example on it, you know, with with the the abduction of farm workers that are happening in the fields. You know how you think that's not going to affect your food supply? It might not affect it today, but give it a couple of months, you know, like when, when ICE camps out and puts up a raid in, you know, in a community, guess who doesn't go to work? Anybody who is afraid. Anybody is afraid. Like they they arrested half the people at a meat packing plant, and the next day, it's not like the other half just decided to show up. No. Only 20% of the original workforce showed up for work the following day, because the rest of the people were like, What if they come and arrest me? 

Lesley Logan 7:58  

Yeah. And so that means your meat is gonna be more expensive. It affects you. 

Brad Crowell 8:02  

Affects us all. 

Lesley Logan 8:03  

Everyone. And so, like, I, I really think that we need to take, I don't care what your religion is, or if you believe in religion at all, if we actually just follow, like, there that's a human fucking being, and they are worthy of living, and they should have dignity and respect, you know, and we would never want for them that to happen to them if it happened to us. Like, if you just look at that going, if you ever think, I'm glad that's not me, that is a sign that you are sitting in a bit more privilege, and you probably should just look at like, what can I do? We can't solve the world's problems. I'm not elected. You're not elected. If this fucking bill passes, we might not have elections. But like, we have to ask, What can I do? How can I change this? Can I be supportive of the people in my what's my bubble of influence? Right? And so not, I guess we'll get off our pedestal here in a second. But like, truly, part of being it till you see it, it will come to you if you love others, and you care about others, not people-pleasing, it's not overworking. It's none of that. It's just like, if you love others, if you love yourself, you can love others, and if you love others, like the world does change. And I think maybe what I'm really saying is like, what the fuck why don't people love themselves? Because if they love themselves, they'd see other people as human beings too. 

Brad Crowell 9:18  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 9:20  

We're still on tour, guys, I promise you, we're having a good time. In between the podcast on the news, I promise you, I promise you, we're hugging people. We're having a good time. 

Brad Crowell 9:33  

Yeah, August 7th, that means that we are in Canada. We're actually probably in Kamloops today. Tomorrow, we got a day off. We're going to Banff. We're gonna be up by Lake Louise and seeing the beautiful lake up there. And then we're gonna go the next day to Calgary and teach, before coming back in to the US in Montana, where we're gonna go see the beauty of Glacier National Park. I've always wanted to see it. I'm so excited that we're gonna go up there. And then, yeah. We're gonna hit McCall Idaho on the way back home and teach.

Lesley Logan 10:03  

I tell you that my family, really, my family went to the tour, and they said, my aunt, my aunt, my auntie and uncle Mike, and they saw the tour, they saw we're in McCall, Idaho. And my uncle goes, you're gonna, you're gonna want to move there. And I was like, oh, like, a vacation home? He's like, no, like, you're gonna want to move there. And I'm like, I don't love the snow, so a vacation home. Got it. Noted. I'll save up.

Brad Crowell 10:24  

Well, I can't wait to see how beautiful it is.

Lesley Logan 10:26  

All this to say, like, come to McCall.

Brad Crowell 10:28  

Come to McCall, yeah, and then meet us in Salt Lake, and then we'll be back in Vegas. 

Lesley Logan 10:32  

Oh, my God. What if people caravaned with us? You could do that.

Brad Crowell 10:37  

Yes, they could. I mean, we can have like like a roadie tour bus situation with, like, a band, going from show to show, it's possible. 

Lesley Logan 10:46  

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What's that movie?

Brad Crowell 10:48  

Oh, I know which one you mean. 

Lesley Logan 10:50  

It was glasses. Almost Famous. 

Brad Crowell 10:53  

Yes, that's the one. That's the one. 

Lesley Logan 10:55  

I want, I want someone in great coat to compete with me in my great coat. Anyways, so we'll be, we're still on tour. We hope to see you. We're gonna come back from tour, unpack. 

Brad Crowell 11:04  

Oh, actually, there's still time if you want to participate in the tour, but you're not there, the Calgary stops. So in two days, there's gonna be a virtual, two virtual workshops that we're offering in Calgary. One of them is creating flows on the Tower and Cadillac, and the other one is your Thass® workshop. So come join us virtually, if you can't be there in person. 

Lesley Logan 11:24  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do that. 

Brad Crowell 11:25  

Just go to opc.me/tour.

Lesley Logan 11:27  

Yes. And then after we get home, we unpack, we, you know, enjoy the last bits of summer in Las Vegas and we quickly, quickly cool off in the U.K. for our two city tour, the Mullet Tour, which is business workshops in the beginning, and Pilates workshops in the back of the the rest of the day, and some Pilates workouts. And you can go to opc.me/uk to see if there's any spots left. At the time we're recording this, there's a couple spots left in Leeds, and there's a couple spots left in Essex. We did open up some so like, you could just buy one workshop. So maybe if you can't do an entire day off, you want to come for just workshop, we did open that up in the Essex location. So go to opc.me/uk and then we come home and we get cozy for a couple weeks, yep, yep. And then. 

Brad Crowell 12:12  

We're gonna, we're gonna be in P.O.T. in Chicago, by the way. 

Lesley Logan 12:15  

Yes, we're doing P.O.T. Chicago. 

Brad Crowell 12:16  

Yeah, P.O.T. Chicago beginning October. 

Lesley Logan 12:19  

Actually, if you're hearing it right now, you can still get the early bird discount on P.O.T. Chicago. So if there are spots left, you can go, that's gonna be at Balanced Body site. I don't know the link, so just go to Balanced Body. Just Google P.O.T. Chicago 2025 it will come up. And I'm leaving the Joe's gyms, so their work, you get to come and work out, and I walk around and make sure that you're like, kicking ass. And from Chicago, we fly to San Francisco, from San Francisco to Singapore, Singapore to Cambodia. Cambodia, we lead our retreat. 

Brad Crowell 12:48  

Oh, yeah. And in fact, at the end of the Cambodia trip, we may actually be teaching in Singapore. We're working that out right now.

Lesley Logan 12:55  

We're trying to, we're trying to do a thing in Singapore, and we're gonna see the Botanical Gardens, and then we're gonna come home and be home for like, a little over a month, and then we're back on tour again, but we'll tell you more about that later. So you want to go to crowsnestretreats.com if you want to be on a retreat with us, we're taking a very small group this year, and you really get to spend a whole week with us. 

Brad Crowell 13:16  

Yeah, it's gonna be so fun. 

Lesley Logan 13:17  

It's a lot of fun.

Brad Crowell 13:18  

It's amazing. It's a really good time. So go to crowsnestretreats.com, crowsnestretreats.com. Before we get into this convo you have with David Corbin, however, let's dig into this audience question that we had. I couldn't actually get the entire name of the person from the screenshot, so I'm pretty sure it was Rosie B something, something, numbers, numbers from YouTube asked, hi Lesley, I've heard you say that a spine corrector can be a good addition to your mat to your mat practice if you don't have space or the budget for the big equipment at your home. Can you, or have you talked about the different options for barrels or arcs? I did not realize that there were so many different choices, especially regarding the different options with angles and depths of the well. Great question. 

Lesley Logan 14:02  

Yeah, I love this. We do have a video on, like, all the equipment, like, literally every piece of equipment. And I don't know if we did a video just on the barrels, but I know that we have, I know that our mastery and the basics on the barrels, you could hear a lot about barrels in that workshop that's on OPC, but let me just chat a little bit. So the spine corrector, if you could only buy one barrel, is the best one of the bunch, because you have two options for the extension on that one, and it allows you to do all the things you could do on a spine corrector. If you had a small barrel, that's nice if you have extra room. That and also it's really only for those who are have a tighter back or are a bit more fun sized, the smaller barrels for that. 

Brad Crowell 14:50  

Yeah, we don't have a YouTube video. 

Lesley Logan 14:52  

On just barrels. 

Brad Crowell 14:52  

On just just. 

Lesley Logan 14:53  

But there's that one video that has, like every single piece of equipment, it took us forever. We filmed every single piece. 

Brad Crowell 15:00  

Yeah, so we've got a couple. One is called Pilates for Beginners: How to Choose the Right Equipment. We have.

Lesley Logan 15:08  

It's, it's another one. Anyways, I'll keep talking. It's another one. So it's, it's, why.

Brad Crowell 15:14  

Types of Pilates Equipment. 

Lesley Logan 15:16  

Yes, that's the one. 

Brad Crowell 15:16  

Pilates reformers, ladder, Pilates ladder, Tower and Guillotine. 

Lesley Logan 15:17  

That's the one. 

Brad Crowell 15:17  

I think a best Pilates equipment to improve your practice. That's reformer versus chair. 

Lesley Logan 15:27  

No, this is really boring now. 

Brad Crowell 15:29  

Yeah, good times. Anyway, just go onto our YouTube channel.

Lesley Logan 15:31  

Well, you didn't make it sound like it's easy to find. It exists and it literally is every single, we do a Reformer, a mat, we do the High Chair, we do the Cadillac, we do all the barrels. I explained each one, so, but my point is, if you can only buy one, get the Spine Corrector. If you're on the fun-sized, you can skip the Spine Corrector if you can only buy one thing and get the small barrel, but you will be limited a little bit. If you can get two things, and you're not so fun-sized or tight, then a Spine Correct and a Ladder Barrel, but a Ladder Barrel does take up space, and you specifically liked that I was saying that a Spine Corrector could help enhance your practice, your mat practice, if you don't have a lot of space. And the reason I say that is because you can do the arm series on there, the leg series on there, and then do your mat practice. Or you could do your mat practice and do your arm series and leg series. You could do swimming. You could do teaser. You could do a sported teaser. You're having a hard time getting your hips overhead. The Spine Corrector is really, really helpful for that. So I really do love that. And so I know I go into great detail about these things in our Mastering the Basics on the Barrels workshop on OPC, unfortunately, it's not free, but if you buy our Barrels Flashcards, just a little hint, there's a way to get that workshop on a discount (inaudible) barrels. And then I particularly like the Contrology brand because it is based off of the original pieces. And it's like they went through a lot of effort to get. 

Brad Crowell 16:44  

To dig those up. 

Lesley Logan 16:45  

To dig them up. And it's really amazing.

Brad Crowell 16:46  

Well, what you can actually do is go to opc.me/perks, opc.me/perks when you're on there, scroll down halfway, and you'll see a list of all the equipment that we recommend. And we actually have links to multiple arcs and barrels on that list that you know so you can go see the ones that Lesley did.

Lesley Logan 16:47  

The Contrology Spine Corrector is my ultimate favorite. 

Brad Crowell 17:10  

Yeah, the Contrology is the one that we have at our house. But not everybody, you know, wants the bigger, heavier one. So we do have a couple of the arcs on there. 

Lesley Logan 17:19  

Oh, well, we do have those and I will just say the reason I like a Contrology is actually do like the weight. The foam ones are great. If you are a studio teaching a class and you have to have a bunch of they're lightweight, they're easy to stack. But when you are doing your exercise, you have to put like little pads down. Oftentimes they slide around, or they could be too light, and they might move. And so I prefer the Contrology, and I know it's more than the East Coast arc and East Coast foam, and that's what everyone wants, but I'm just saying it's a little more comfortable to have a little little cushion. Anyways, you can send your questions in to BeItPod.com/questions you can text us at 309055534, still haven't secured the number that we can say, Be It Pod, but we'll get we're working on it. We just discovered it 20 minutes ago when we recorded the last episode. So it's coming. It's coming. Send your wins in, send your questions in to BeItPod.com/questions.

Brad Crowell 18:10  

Okay, welcome back now. Let's talk about Mr. David Corbin. David Corbin is a Wall Street Journal bestselling author of 14 books, a TEDx speaker and an award winning inventor in healthcare and wellness. And he's an ex, he describes himself as an ex-Woodstock attendee. 

Lesley Logan 18:29  

I know, the original. 

Brad Crowell 18:30  

He's also a father, grandfather and husband. He is known as the illuminator. David specializes in helping individuals and companies face it, follow it and fix it, transform challenges into opportunities, which is pretty amazing, actually. His work centers on taking ownership, accessing your inner wisdom and learning to tune into the you to achieve prosperity and fulfillment. Not included in our mini little bio that we wrote here is that David also, his inventor stuff. He created this thing called the Rejuvenation Station, and it's a box, okay? It's like a phone booth, but it's a little bit bigger, because you sit down inside of it, okay, but it's portable, and you can move it around. And you go in and you throw on some headphones, and you immerse yourself in another world for just a few minutes, right? Five to 10 minutes. There's like. 

Lesley Logan 19:19  

I want one of these at the airport. 

Brad Crowell 19:22  

Oh, it would be, I mean, where he, where he's been selling them into is hospitals for the staff. 

Lesley Logan 19:29  

Oh, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 19:30  

Because the staff never gets a moment to take a breather. And they could take five minutes and they come out and like he, he's, he said he's been able to measure their their stats before they go in and out of this thing. And he said, you know, where, where they're, you know, always in a high stress environment, this can help them with longevity of their job, of their enjoyment, of their life, of their of themselves. And actually, that's how I met him, when I was at an event, he had a booth, and he had the Rejuvenation Station there. And I just started, it was like, the end of the day, everyone was milling around or leaving, and I just started talking to him. And it was so, like, it was an easy conversation. Obviously, he's like, he's very, very intelligent. He's like, tells a lot of stories, a lot of fun to be around. And we started talking about his tool that he made, built and yeah, that's how we connected in the first place.

Lesley Logan 20:21  

It was, okay, and I think I said this on the pod, I usually pre-interview anyone who comes on. If I don't, it's because, like, we already know each other, we're friends, or I was on their pod and I liked them. You know what I mean? Like, it's very, it's, it's not often that, like, there's just someone on my calendar I've never, I know nothing about. And so I'm looking at like, the updates on his like file for the pod, and I see a business card, and I'm like, this looks like Brad's thumb. I think it's Brad's thumb. Who is this guy? And he didn't know you. He didn't remember.

Brad Crowell 20:56  

No, he didn't remember, he shouldn't have even known my name, but like, he might remember us talking, maybe if he saw my face but like, yeah.

Lesley Logan 21:01  

It was, it was hilarious, and it was so I think it was after all of it was said and done, the whole thing was done I hit, ended the record of the interview, and he and I are chatting, and Brad comes in, because I think it was laughing or whatever, and that's we discovered that you met him and like, you should be on our show. And he's like, okay.

Brad Crowell 21:19  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 21:20  

Anyways, I'm glad it worked out. I really liked a lot of things he had to say, I think this is an episode that there's a lot of nuggets. 

Brad Crowell 21:29  

A lot of nuggets. 

Lesley Logan 21:31  

A lot of nuggets. And he said, you can't solve everything you face, but you can't solve anything unless you face it. And of course, like, isn't that so good?

Brad Crowell 21:40  

It's so obvious. But like, when you say it, you're like, oh, I, am I avoiding things? It's great.

Lesley Logan 21:46  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he, he said, believes his secret sauce is being awake, aware, alert, and that kind of, like, I think that that, like, probably what led to his mindset around it helped others avoid when that's where he uses his model, face, it, follow it, fix it. You know. And so, and when you think about that in your in anything that you're doing, face it, follow it, fix it. And then it allows you to take more action. It allows you to stop avoiding things. It can be used in personal life and professional life. It can be used in a project that doesn't go well, or a conversation that didn't go well. I think it's just brilliant.

Brad Crowell 22:19  

Yeah, it's, it's clear and concise. It's something that you can remember. When he was talking about how he works with these companies, he said that you can apply this personally to yourself, or you can apply it to a team or organization or company, face it, follow it, fix it, you know, and, and he had a bunch of examples that I, you know, I thought were really helpful. And he talked about one that, one company that he consulted for, that rhymes with schmamanos, I think, is what he said. And, you know, he said, you know, as they started to dig in, they started to realize that they're not a pizza company, they're a crisis management company. And he said, it all came down to how they answer the phone and what they recommend, and when they, when they, when they faced the problem they had, and they followed it, they started figuring out, then they fixed it, and that was a fix. And it's funny, because, you know, we tell that all the time, like, you are, you know, you're not, quote- unquote, just a Pilates teacher, you know, end quote, you're that's not enough. You know, that's like, people, first off, don't know what Pilates is. Second off, they.

Lesley Logan 23:23  

Not anymore. They used to, I used to think there would be a day when they know what it is, and now, no.

Brad Crowell 23:27  

I mean that, that aside, that's not the point. They have their preconceived notion of what Pilates is, okay? And so if you just say, oh, I'm a Pilates teacher, then you're trusting that they know what that actually means, right? As opposed to having a clear response of like, oh, I help such and such type of people do these things you know in their life through Pilates, now they're like, wow, I didn't know Pilates could help people like that, you know, and that and you described me. I want that for me, right? And so when you start to face it, follow it, fix it, you might actually have a whole new view on what it is that you do. You know, I thought that was pretty cool. 

Lesley Logan 23:27  

I agree. I loved it. 

Brad Crowell 24:01  

Yeah, one of the things that I really like, first off, he's very quippy, because he writes books, right? So he's got 14 books. So every book, you know, he tries to make a short, concise, punchy, right, memorable. And so, like, that's the kind of guy that, when you get him on a topic, and especially if he knows a lot about the topic, because he did a whole lot of research to write that book, you know, you're going to get these kinds of things. So one of his books he talks about, his Brand Slaughter. And I just started laughing, because, like, what a visual, right? You're slaughtering your brand, you know, but, but he talks about just simply actions that you're doing that are create, that are contradicting what you intended, or like they're they're not bringing around about the desired results and and you know, same thing, like you can apply the concept of brand slaughter to the what I was just talking about where they're answering the phone, and instead of the response being, oh, well, what kind of pizza do you want? They're like, I don't I don't know what I want. Instead of that, you know, that is brand slaughter, right? Because you're now pushing the decision back on this person who doesn't know what they need in the first place, and they don't know what their options are. So what are they going to do? They're not gonna do anything, right? So that that creates brand slaughter, as opposed to being suggestive and saying, oh, well, for people in your situation where it's chaos and you just need a decision right now, you should go with option number two. And then they get to say, that sounds great, because they just need help. What's option number two? And you can sell and, by the way, if you need this extra stuff, you can upsell them all that kind of a thing, right? So it's, he said, you're either living your brand or you're committing brand slaughter. You know. He said, when individuals or companies allow their brand or reputation be undermined or, quote-unquote, killed by actions or behaviors that do not align with their desired image. And, you know, he said he actually has all these acronyms and all this stuff. And he and he, like, he like, flipped through them, and I didn't even follow them at all. And you laughingly said, I've A.D.D. so I don't know what you just said, because I was stuck on the first one, but he said he created a following, the following flow, to teach companies and people how to maintain their own identity. IDB with the ABI to the SBI divided by the MBV. I don't remember, but basically he said, you take your intended brand descriptors, which is how you want to be described, and then you audit the brand integrity you're assessing if you are living up to your intended brand descriptor. So if this is what you say you're doing, are you actually doing it, right? So, and then the second, the third step is review your strategic brand initiative or SBI. So these are the actions taken to close the gap between your intentions and your actions, right? And then finally, you have, when you do those three steps, you're creating massive brand value, right? The result of consistently applying those three steps. So he said, everything you do is either living into how you want to be described, or it's not.

Lesley Logan 27:14  

Just like that. 

Brad Crowell 27:15  

Just like that, we just solved it. 

Lesley Logan 27:17  

Yep, and now sometimes we just need to hear like, not sugar coated in that way, you know.

Brad Crowell 27:22  

Yeah, fascinating. I mean. And he knows his stuff so well that he just like, bam, bam, bam, bam. 

Lesley Logan 27:27  

I know he really did. And I was just like, come on. I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, hold on. I'm still over here. What is that? And then acronyms are really hard for me to like, remember all of them? It's just like, not. 

Brad Crowell 27:38  

I know, even the ones I just read, if I didn't have them in front of me, I'd be like, what?

Lesley Logan 27:41  

Yeah, no, I, and to be honest, also running in the back of my mind with my ADHD, was like, who is this man? I mean that, like, I loved the whole interview but the whole time I'm like, who the fuck is this guy? Why is he?

Brad Crowell 28:00  

I love that. I think that's so fun. Also, too, like, from when I met him to when the interview finally happened was months, like, six months more, I don't know, like, so, like, I read his name, and I was like, I know him but I can't remember.

Lesley Logan 28:12  

You met him, you went to, you went to that event, like, a year ago, it was summer of last year, and then I interviewed him like beginning of this year. So, it's definitely six months.

Brad Crowell 28:16  

So it was more than six months later. Yeah and fascinating. Well, anyway, stick around. We got a little bit more to dig into from David Corbin, so we'll be right back with those Be It Action Items. 

Brad Crowell 28:36  

Okay, welcome back. Let's talk about those Be It Action Items from David Corbin, we've got bold executable, intrinsic or targeted action items that we could take away from your convo with him. David shared a metaphor, a metaphorical exercise he introduced during his TEDx talk using imaginary LSD, which I think is hilarious, because the whole time he's talking groovy and talking about being a hippie and going to Woodstock, and he's like, yeah, I didn't save he told everyone in the TEDx, 500 people, he's like, I saved y'all some LSD from when I went to Woodstock, which, who knows when that even was.

Lesley Logan 29:07  

It's like the 60s babe. 

Brad Crowell 29:09  

Right, well, because they also had a new one in the 90s. So I'm assuming he was talking about the 60s. 

Lesley Logan 29:17  

The 60s. The 90s was burnt down to the ground. 

Brad Crowell 29:20  

It doesn't change the fact he could have been there. But he said, he said, he said, you're going to take this imaginary LSD, and I don't know what he passed out, but he actually passed something out. So people, literally, I'm pretty sure they took something. 

Lesley Logan 29:22  

It's like a little piece. I thought it's like a little piece of paper, isn't LSD, like a little paper? 

Brad Crowell 29:23  

Like a tab, could be, I'm sure it comes in different forms. But anyway, he said you're going to, here's what's going to happen when you take this imaginary LSD, you're going to imagine that your business can talk back to you.

Lesley Logan 29:44  

Oh, because when you're on LSD.

Brad Crowell 29:47  

Yeah, things can happen. He said, so here's what you're going to ask your business

Lesley Logan 29:50  

We clearly have not done LSD, we have no idea what we're talking about. 

Brad Crowell 29:51  

He said, ask your business. What do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? So he said, make two lists, job functions and character traits. What do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? He said, then get naked of ego. He actually said, just says, get naked, but not with your clothes off. That's, he said, that's the easy part. He said the hard part is get naked of your ego and rate yourself on a scale of one to 10 across those what do you need me to do and who do you need me to be? He said, identify the gaps and take actions to close them. So.

Lesley Logan 29:54  

Okay, LSD, definitely can like, be a little piece of paper or like a stamp. 

Brad Crowell 30:23  

Oh, can be like a stamp. 

Lesley Logan 30:28  

Yes, I do remember, like, during the day or years of like, be careful. Like someone gives you, like, a little sticker, it can stick on your tongue and dissolve. It can be in a pill form. I am seeing this, but it, like, a lot of it is like sheets of, like, wild colors and like, like, oh, do you remember the elephants in Winnie, the Pooh, the Heffalumps, the Heffalumps, the Heffalumps, yeah, the Heffalumps. I think they're called. They were kind of like spooky and weird. I think Winnie the Pooh is on LSD. 

Brad Crowell 31:03  

Oh, yeah, you're right, Heffalump. 

Lesley Logan 31:05  

Heffalumps. 

Brad Crowell 31:05  

Heffalump. 

Lesley Logan 31:06  

Heffalumps. Yeah. Looking at this, maybe he was on, maybe he took LSD in my cartoon. You know, they always sort of like supplementally, anyways, we are off topic. 

Brad Crowell 31:15  

Well, okay, David Corbin did his TEDx Talk called Woodstock Wisdom in January of 2023, so you're welcome to go watch it. I'm sure it's a trip. Maybe pun intended, but he but he said when you can do this, when you can compare, when you can let go of your ego, and you can actually take rate yourself and then be able to take action on that you you can no longer complain about market conditions and competition. You take control of the differences, the distances, and you close those gaps that your business told you you need to close. He said, as you do, you increase your competence, which brings up your confidence, which brings up your competence, which brings up your confidence. And it's a cycle, you know. What about you? What about you? 

Lesley Logan 31:55  

Okay, this is really fun, because he says he doesn't journal. And I was like, yeah, because I always tell people, like, don't journal, but we have the people who've said to journal since episode like 50 have done a really good job, because I tell them, you better tell us fucking journal. But he said he meditates. And I was like, okay, like, because I have a hard time meditating. And he said, so he shared his process. He said, you sit down with a piece of paper and you write an issue or question at the top. So piece of paper, issue or question at the top, you set your timer for 22 minutes, and then, while we're in a meditative state with a question at the top, you write with your eyes closed. And this allows the download of insights to come through from your unconscious mind and universal consciousness on to the paper. And so the goal is you dwell upon the question and you let your intuition provide answers. So because you can't see it, you can't self-edit. He must have great handwriting. 

Brad Crowell 32:52  

No, I'm sure he's writing over top of his own stuff. It really doesn't matter. You can literally write in the same spot, right, because the point of it is not for you to go back and read it later. The point of it is to get it out of your head. 

Lesley Logan 33:04  

Yeah. So he, well, it's kind of like Morning Pages, but with your eyes closed. So he said, the answer to everything you got is already within you. Don't tune into YouTube. Tune in to you. It's another quip. I just I was like, this is so much fun. This is a great interview. Who is he? Tune into you. You know a lot more than you give yourself credit for. And I just if you, if you really haven't listened to it, you've got to listen to it. I'm telling you I joke that I'm like, who is this guy? But, like, he's a bit like a 14 books, a great TEDx Talk.

Brad Crowell 33:36  

Fascinating. It's a really great conversation. It's fun to meet him in person.

Lesley Logan 33:40  

Even if you buy nothing out of his stuff. Like, if you just, like, listen over and over again to like the things he's saying you're you're going to, like, change your life. Because if you just think about, like, am I in alignment with my brand or am I curating brand slaughter or am I like, what if you could solve your problems with just writing it down and then writing it over the top with your eyes closed? I think this is really cool. 

Lesley Logan 34:01  

So, I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 34:02  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 34:03  

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Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell 34:29  

Until next time. 

Brad Crowell 34:31  

Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell 34:33  

Bye, for now. 

Brad Crowell 34:34  

Bye.

Lesley Logan 34:39  

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Brad Crowell 35:21  

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Brad Crowell 35:31  

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From low self-esteem to global impact, David Corbin shares the mindset shifts and bold strategies that shaped his success. In this empowering episode, he breaks down his signature frameworks like “Face it, Follow it, Fix it” and “Intended Brand Descriptors,” offering game-changing insights on branding with integrity, personal growth, and radical responsibility.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The surprising ways curiosity and intuition sparked David’s award-winning inventions.
• The mindset shift that helped David drop 50 pounds and stay energized.
• Why illuminating the negative is a superpower—not a weakness.
• How to avoid “brand slaughter” and fully live your brand integrity.
• The power of "meditration" to quiet your ego and unlock next-level insights.

Episode References/Links:

• David Corbin's Website - https://www.davidcorbin.com
• David Corbin's Facebook - https://beitpod.com/davidfacebook
• David Corbin's Email - [email protected]
• Illuminate: Harnessing the Positive Power of Negative Thinking by David Corbin - https://a.co/d/gXB8bso
• Preventing Brandslaughter: How to Preserve, Support and Grow Your Brand Asset Value by David Corbin - https://a.co/d/h2yIWge
• The Illuminated Brand by David Corbin - https://a.co/d/8SuzrOU
• Eat That Frog by Brian Tracy - https://a.co/d/jaui08n
• From WTF to OMG, with a Little LOL: Unpacking Life's Hidden Lessons by David Corbin and Kerry Jacobson - https://a.co/d/iD3ZNpB

Guest Bio:

Born and raised in New York, David Corbin brought his hustle and heart to California over 30 years ago. Along the way, he caught the entrepreneurial bug, launched successful ventures, and pioneered innovative solutions — like his award-winning touchscreen patient interview system, recognized by luminaries including Tom Peters and Maya Angelou. A “Mentor to Mentors”, Dave has been the behind-the-scenes secret weapon for leaders aiming to illuminate their organizations’ true potential.

But Dave’s not just about business; he’s about authenticity and practical transformation. Whether it’s a Woodstock-inspired motto (“You’re either green and growing or ripe and rotting”) or his signature approach (“Face it, Follow it, Fix it”), Dave infuses real-world solutions with unbridled energy, humor, and integrity. (https://davidcorbin.com/about)

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Episode Transcript:

David Corbin 0:00  

What am I not facing? In my career, in my relationship, in my relationship with myself, in my health, in my health habits, what am I not facing? And then, you know, the ego goes, well, I don't know if I knew I'd face it. No, you wouldn't. So face it and then follow it and then fix it.

Lesley Logan 0:22  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:01  

All right, Be It babe, get ready. Get your notepads out. Get a pen out. If you listen to us on 1.5 1.75 speed, I'm gonna be really honest. You might wanna slow this one down. There's a lot of acronyms, and this guest and I had the best fucking time. I'll be really honest. I, I really was like, who is this person on my podcast? After we stopped hitting record, he and I were like, I don't know how you got on this pod. He's like, I don't know how I'm on this pod. And then my husband comes in, and I'm just gonna spoil for you. My husband is the one who met him, and my husband is the one who brought him on the podcast, and that is why he, like, got to skip all the things where I would find out who this person is and what they're going to talk about, and why we're talking and, like, what's going to go on. But I'm going to tell you right now I didn't need any of that information for this to be the most amazing interview ever. Like, this is going to be one that you save. This is going to be when you re-listen to you. I promise you're going to re-listen to it as soon as it's over because I want to re-listen to it right now. And I was just there and I just did it. I want to, like, take notes. I am obsessed with this person, and I really do hope that they stay in my life in some way. And he gave us some excellent Be It Action Items, but the whole thing is a bold, executable, intrinsic, targeted action item you could take. And so David Corbin is our guest today, and you guys, he's pretty bad ass. So here you go. 

Lesley Logan 2:31  

All right, Be It babe, I've had a great guest. The guy seems very chill, but also has done some amazing things in this world, and we're gonna hear all about it. So David Corbin, can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

David Corbin 2:44  

Ah, who am I? It's really funny. My mother passed away not knowing who her youngest son really was. What I did for a living. She told all of her friends I laundered money. She didn't have a clue what I did, but I could tell you what I do and kind of who I am. I I've written 14 books, and a third of them made it to the Wall Street Journal bestseller list, so some of the ideas are really catching on USA Today list, and I've done a couple TED talks, and I'm an inventor, and I won two international awards for these inventions that I've done in healthcare and in wellness and stuff. But I'm really none of that. I'm really an ex Woodstock-attending hippie who's a father and a grandfather and a husband to a beloved goddess, and I'm a pickleball player and a tennis player. That's who I am. Boom. Mic drop.

Lesley Logan 3:43  

Okay, I have never, I think a lot of people can relate to like their parents not understanding what they do. But I do think that most of them probably think that they don't launder money. So I feel like, but, you know, it took my parents a long time to understand that what I do is not yoga. So, you know.

David Corbin 4:00  

Yeah, right, you do that Pilates thing (inaudible) with the Pilates, you with the FAA, with that Pilates show (inaudible).

Lesley Logan 4:08  

No, it's okay. We don't need to talk about it today. But I guess, like, where I want to start is, like, how do you like, how do you become someone who writes 14 books and does two TEDx talks and like, has a goddess of a wife? Like, where? Like, how did we get here?

David Corbin 4:21  

Yes, pure god shot, really, because I'm really Forrest Gump, I ain't the smartest guy in the world, but I am the damn luckiest. But no, I've been, you know, I grew up in New York. I was a low self esteem kid. Had to figure stuff out, you know, shoveled snow in the winter and mowed lawns in the summer. And I wasn't the brightest kid. I started to shovel snow in the summer and mow lawns in the winter, but, you know, so I did all that sort of stuff. And then, you know, sort of grew up, and at a time when, you know, the world was a little messed up, not like it is now. And you know, we were in a Vietnam War, and I was protesting. The war, and I got pretty active and engaged in that. And, you know, did all that groovy stuff. And, you know, was it Woodstock? It was a backstage at Woodstock. 

Lesley Logan 5:07  

Oh, my god. Oh, my god. 

David Corbin 5:10  

Yeah it was sick. And then, you know, started businesses. And, my gosh, had I did a TED Talk about one where I was, I did something called Woodstock wisdom. That was a TED Talk. It's kind of cool. I gave away make believe LSD, it was definitely an interesting TED Talk. And, you know, on and on. And then, you know, I would create businesses. I then product, build companies around the business, sell the business. And I learned stuff, you know, like, I learned stuff. I mean, I went to college and and all, but I really learned stuff through life, through bouncing and pinging it off of people, and, you know, with black and blue marks in life, you know what I mean. So I I learned some stuff, and I put them to use, and then people would ask me about it. I teach them about it, and then ended up doing, speaking and writing books about those things. And I just kept learning and practicing putting it in place and getting results. People notice it. They say, hey, man, can you help me? And I would help them. Then I'd write a book about it. And so it's just, it's really organic, you know? I mean, I was the president of one of the most prestigious massage colleges in the country, right? And how did that happen? Just pure by accident. My friends started it years later. They were functional in the classroom, but they were dysfunctional in the boardroom and so, so all these things just I don't know, man, I'm telling you. Forrest Gump, 

Lesley Logan 6:42  

I, thank you for sharing the journey because I think, like, people would see, oh my gosh, two TED talks, 14 books, like, you know the confidence that comes from from you, but to hear like was a kid, you had low self-esteem. And I also love hearing like I went to college, and I really thought, like, why am I doing this? But most of it was to get out of a small town. And, like, you can't really get out of a small town. Just like, I'm gonna move. Like, no one was gonna let me to move to L.A. without going to college. So I had to, like, go to college so I could move to L.A. but, like, but I, you know, I, I was someone who's like, why? I don't even know what I'm gonna do with this degree. Like, what do I'm an elder millennial, so like, what do you do with a degree after college? Like, and it's then, it's a recession. So it doesn't, you know what? I just really didn't know it. But I realized over time, and the things I fell into, is that everything kind of layers, if you're willing to look at it. And so you said to yourself, like, you just said recently, like, I help these people, and then, like, I wrote a book about it. So what? What prompted you to, like, reflect enough to share what you were learning, because so many people would reflect and just like, keep it to themselves.

David Corbin 7:53  

Yeah, I, you know, I had a good inner dialog, and I kind of talked to myself, what's working, what's not working, blah, blah, blah. You just sort of develop this stuff. All I could say is that when you when you're growing up, like I kind of grew up as like an orphan in a family, so I was kind of alone. Everybody was older than me, and so I was kind of like left alone. And by the way, I stayed in college for a different reason. Mine was to not get my ass shot up in Vietnam. So I had to keep my ass in college and stuff like that.

Lesley Logan 8:26  

And you had to get a certain GPA. You couldn't just be in college because my father didn't get the GPA, and that's why he was in Vietnam.

David Corbin 8:33  

Yeah, and I wasn't, and I wasn't going to go, but, but what I think my secret sauce is being awake, aware, alert. My heart's filled with love, and my mind is filled with opportunity seeking. So I see an opportunity. I wrote a book called Luminate: Harnessing the Positive Power of Negative Thinking, right, which is a whole different scene, because, you know, you can't outrun your shadow, but I would look and I taught face it, follow it and fix it. I mean, like, I knew that you can't solve everything you face but you can't solve anything unless you face it. So I wrote this book about face it, follow it and fix it. And that's how I created my inventions. That's how I invented my companies is face it. Here's it like in healthcare. I looked at this thing even before COVID and healthcare burnout with doctors and nurses and turnover was over a $4 billion per year problem. That was before COVID, right? So I went face that. That sucks. Follow it like why is that happening? Well, they treat them like shit, and they, you know, the hours and stuff, there's no there's stress constantly. There's no inter interruption of the pattern of stress. Follow it into the future. Well, we're gonna have a shortage of doctors and nurses. So what's the fix? So I invented a pod. It's a four foot by four foot pod with nature video. And they go in there, how do you feel? They answer some questions. They choose a video journey. Afterwards three to eight minutes, they say, How do you feel now? And in three to eight minutes, they go from their crazy roles and goals down into their souls so they're more present with themselves and others. And we prove it, we won the International Healthcare design award for innovation. We're in every hospital in New York. We're in 14 states, all because I keep my eyes and ears open, I say, What does love look like in this situation? Well, there's a problem, face it, follow it and fix it. And I think any listener of your podcast, or any this is my third podcast I'm doing today, if they ask themselves, what am I not facing in my career, in my relationship, in my relationship with myself, in my health, in my health habits, what am I not facing and then, you know, the ego goes, well, I don't know if I knew I'd face it. No, you wouldn't. So face it and then follow it and then fix it. I mean, I was 50 pounds overweight, and I had to face it like face it. Why, you know, and then follow it. Why am I 50 pounds? Well, I drink two, three glasses of wine after dinner, and then my blood sugar would go low, and I'd eat anything in the house, and then I go to sleep. So I turned into a fat person. And, you know, follow it out into the future, I was hoping I would have grandchildren. I won't be able to play with my grandchildren, so the face it and the follow it, and then you go into the fix. So that's one of the models that I teach in one of my books. And and it's kind of cool, because when you get known as the illuminator, which I was, then people hire you, like one company, I can't tell you the name of it, but it rhymes with schmomanos Pizza. They hired me to be their chief illumination officer, and we illuminated the fact that their pizza tastes like crap, you know. And then they, they did a whole ad campaign that said, our pizza tastes like crap. And they, I don't know if you're old enough to remember that, but did a whole campaign around that, because we illuminated, because we found, look, first off, here's some of the stuff. Okay, face it. Follow and fix it. The their issue was their profits sucked. Yeah, right. And they wanted to go public, so we faced it. One of the things we said is we can't move forward when your profits suck like that, so we followed, why are your profits so low? Well, it's because most people don't know what they're having for dinner by 4:30pm and they call up and they go, man, I got two kids and a dog and my neighbor's kid, I need to buy something, right? And they're put on hold. So what we found is they weren't in the fast food business. They were in the crisis intervention business. When you call 911, you don't want to be put on hold, right? So we taught all their people to be crisis intervention people, and they go, I got two kids and my neighbor's kid and my dog. What do I get? And instead of, like, I don't know what do you want? They go, no problem. We take care. That's our with that's our Package B with two round discs of cardboard and fake cheese and ketchup and crap on it and a big old bottle of sugar water with caffeine to get those little bastards to bounce off the wall. And they go, yes, that's exactly what I need. So we faced it, followed it, and fixed it. Well, now, I really don't choose to work with companies that are selling fast food, and I don't, you see the example of that. They have no idea. They didn't have a clue.

Lesley Logan 13:54  

Well, because you get so close to it. And also, you know, depending on what time of the day, like you can either go, oh my god, I can totally take on that problem, or you can put yourself in a spiral. At least that's me. Maybe that's just me, but I really like this, because I'll often say, like, reflect, correct and continue, but I like, thank you. And you know, like, we can't we're not gonna be perfect all the time. Even our best ideas are going to get to market and or get to your friends or get to your family, and somewhere in the translation, something like didn't happen, or people like, hold on, what's this? And we're all going to have to face it, follow it and fix it, or we don't, and it doesn't go where we wanted to go. And then we go, well, there's another idea that didn't work, you know? And so my my husband had a business coach who talked about, like, hugging the cactus, which makes me, like, think about, like facing it. Like we have to actually take responsibility for where we got to where we are. And it doesn't mean you have to beat yourself up. It doesn't mean that you have to spend a lot of time, like there, but you do have to go, Okay, I did put one step in front of the other and got myself here. I want to be over here. If I stay here, this is where it's going to go. I get more of this, which is not awesome, or I can do these things. And if I do that, what does that look like in the future? And then you can take some change. I really am obsessed with this, David, it's great.

David Corbin 15:16  

Yeah. G.R.F.R., baby, Get Real For Results. Get Real For Results. I love hug the cactus. One of my business partners wrote a book sold 2 million copies called Eat That Frog, Brian Tracy, sure, and yeah, Brian and I were partners for five years, and it's all about get real. So one of the things that I focused on with clients, and I just did a workshop yesterday for the Sheriff's Department in San Diego, California, and it's about illuminating their reputation. And that's building your brand. I teach you're either in brand integrity and living your brand or not, and that's what I call brand slaughter in the first degree, brand slaughter. You put people in jail for manslaughter but, companies allow people to kill their brands and get away with it. So I wrote a book called preventing brand slaughter, and then I wrote another book called the illuminated brand, which is a training program, is the greatest trading program I've ever developed. And I've been in this field for a couple of weeks now, and then I just did that for a client, a billion dollar client in Cancun a couple of weeks ago. And that's all about living into how you want to be described. So if Lesley Logan wants to be described as boom, boom, boom, boom, and boom, right then everything you do is either living into that and you're earning that. I call it an I.B.D. Intended Brand Descriptor. You're either living it and earning it, or you're not. And that's brand slaughter,

Lesley Logan 16:54  

Okay, this okay. I just had a client this morning, and she, usually I teach her on Tuesdays, but I was traveling, and so I said, hey, babe, I know you hate mornings, but if you want a session this week, it's got to be 8 a.m. that's all I got. And I'm only giving it to you because I don't normally like to work at that time, but it's for you. And she said, Yeah, I'll take it. I was so shocked. So I show up on Zoom, and she's like, well, I'm working on this thing. I'm a healthy person, that's what I'm telling myself. And if I'm a healthy person, a healthy person would work out at 8am they wouldn't skip their workout this week. They'd work out at 8am and so that's what it makes me think of. Like, I can't think of a like, I love what you described, because it's like, being it till you see it. It's like, how do I want to be described? How would I want to describe like, if it's the future and then, like, acting as if you're the person who has that description. What does that person do? What does that business do? What does that product do? What is like? What does that day look like? I'm obsessed. I love that. 

David Corbin 17:43  

You got it. You know, you walk into the ladies room to wash your hands, right? And there's someone in the stall, invariably, with their cell phone, and they're talking they don't know you're there. Well, what if they were talking about you? What do you want them to hear them say about you. So what I teach is you make a list of your intended brand descriptors. That's the first part. Then you do an A.B.I. an Audit of Brand Integrity. So down here you got the lit, and there's a TV show they did on me on this. And I can give you the link if you all want to see it. So here's a list of descriptive adjectives. I call them intended brand descriptors. Over here are your touch points, customers, prospects, coworkers, vendors, whatever, and now you do an inventory. Say, here's the word I want to be described by this here, am I in brand integrity? Yay. Or, oh, shit, am I in brand slaughter? Now, once you find those areas of brand slaughter, do the next step. We call them S.B.I.s, Strategic Brand Initiatives, what can I do to close the gap? All of that when you do that on a regular basis, equals M.B.V. and that's Massive Brand Value. So I'm doing this with this training program with Fortune 500 companies. I'm doing it with smaller companies, and it's all about I.B.D. times A.B.I. and S.B.I. is M.B.V. What are your intended brand descriptors? Then you do an audit of brand integrity, Then you say, okay, here's the areas where I'm great. Pat yourself on the back. Here's the areas where I'm committing brand slaughter, you have strategic brand initiatives to close it. Boom. Now it's a no whining zone, baby.

Lesley Logan 19:34  

Oh, my God, I really do love this. I think this is really a lot of fun, because you can do this about anything, like anyone listening. If you're like, dating, and you keep attracting someone you don't really want to be with, it's like, you could literally go, okay, well, let's take a look at the profile, or let's take a look at, like, what I'm saying on a date. You can like, all these things. I have a girlfriend who, whenever she goes on a date, she actually has, like, a scale that she rates them and then herself on. She's like, how am I acting in on this date with this person. So you could do the same thing of, like, how you want to show up and who you want to be with, and who your friends are, and all the things. And you could figure out, like, oh, this, this right here. This is where I'm creating brand slaughter. This is where I'm I think it's fabulous. It's also it's something you could do throughout your career or life, or, I mean, like, you can do it and then you can go back and do it, like, each quarter or each year, because as you grow it's, you know, I read a book called I read a book called the middle, but I didn't finish it, and I think that's hilarious, but at the got to the middle, and I was like, I think I got the point. But you it talks about, like, how all businesses go up and down, up and down, up and down, like a graph. But ideally it's always just going up, like the stock market goes up and down, up and down. But if you look at big picture, it's always going up. So, you know, so I think, like, we can get so caught up in the down, and then we can flounder there for so long that we don't realize we came from a really big up, and we can learn from that and bounce back. And, you know, there's another day to try it out again. This is so fun, okay, so, but hold on, you have a lot of acronyms. I'm not dyslexic, but I am A.D.H.D.

David Corbin 21:04  

Me too. That's my theme song, A, B, C, D, A, D, D. That's my theme song.

Lesley Logan 21:12  

So how, like, how do you how do you keep this all like, where do you is it all in your head? Do you organize? You journal? Like, what's your way of keeping all these ideas in one amazing place.

David Corbin 21:23  

No, I've been I am a gifted man. See, the big dude gave me this incredible brain and this magnificent heart, and the highway between the two is wide open. So I can keep it here. I don't journal. I meditate, I do something else called meditration, which I developed, which is, yeah, you know, you're not supposed to think when you're meditating. But when you, well, I teach meditration, meditration where you sit down with a piece of paper, you put the issue or the question on top, then you put yourself in a meditative state after you set your iPhone or whatever, to 22 minutes, and while the questions on the top 22 minutes, pencil or pen on paper, and you dwell upon that question, and you don't open your eyes, but you write with your eyes closed, and you let the unconscious confidence come through, and the universal conscious confidence come through, and you write some good shit down there. Now, at first, it kind of like you read it as like don't eat frogs. What is that? Because you can't read your handwriting. Eventually, you allow the download to come through. No one is smarter. Like, it's smarter than chatGPT y'all, no shit, it's smarter than even chatGPT. You write it down and you tap in. You know, prayer is when you're talking out there, but meditation is when you're listening. You listen in meditation. You know, like our emotions scream at us, and our thoughts yell at us, but our intuition whispers to slow down meditration, take it all in. It's freaking awesome, because the answer to every, everything you got, every WTF has within it an OMG and end up LOL, right, right. Are you with me? 

Lesley Logan 23:26  

Yeah, I'm with you. I love it. I know all these Okay. 

David Corbin 23:29  

So, like, I wrote two books called From WTF to OMG, with a Little LOL: Unpacking Life's Hidden Lessons. The first one hit number one on Wall Street Journal, the second one hit number two behind Prince Harry. Yo. I don't know what Prince Harry? How does Prince Harry come in front of King David? But anyway, it's because everyone knows at a certain level, when you're in a when you're in trauma or drama, that's usually a gift in there, not all of the time. I mean, don't tell me. Like, you know, somebody who gets run down in New Orleans by a car or a toddler gets shot in a freaking daycare center. Don't tell me there's a lesson in there. No, not all of it.

Lesley Logan 24:13  

Not all, I agree. 

David Corbin 24:14  

But most of our lives there's a pony in that pile of poop, you know? And so if you assume there's an OMG built into the WTF, you close the curve of drama, trauma and pain and misery, and just start looking, and then you get it, and you're like, yo, that's fantastic. So yeah, so I look for that sort of stuff. So there's meditration, but there's something I gotta tell you, are you ready for this? 

Lesley Logan 24:45  

I can't wait. 

David Corbin 24:46  

I am proud of this. So I got permission from the TED organization to hand out L.S.D. it to my audience,

Lesley Logan 24:55  

The real stuff. Oh, this is the fake stuff. This is the fake one. Yeah. Okay. Well, because the audience is so big. You're not going to buy L.S.D. for everybody.

David Corbin 25:01  

Even the, no, I'm not. I'm not that generous. But even even the fake stuff, I had to get permission. So what I did was I said, could you imagine, first of all, I talked about being backstage at Woodstock. And I said, you know, 50 years I saved all this L.S.D. and I got one for all of you. So, you know, I'm like, Oprah, one for you, one for you, one for you. And I said, so when I count to three, you're going to pick it up, toss it in the air, catch it in your mouth, and go, whoa, dude, I'm tripping. So they did that, right? Boom, boom, boom, 500 but whoa, dude, I'm tripping. I said, cool, now that you're tripping, and here's the point, Lesley, now that you're tripping, you could ask your business two questions, and because you're tripping, you could hear the business answer you in its voice. And here's the two questions, and this is what I would want everyone to write down. Number one is, your business. What do you need me to do? And then you write down a list of the core job functions, right? So your trip? So you write down the core. You got one list of core job functions. Then you say, your business. Who do you need me to be? And you write down the qualities and characteristics. Now you got two lists. Now, because you're tripping, you get naked, right? But, but, but not naked of clothing. That's the easy part. Now you get naked of ego, and you rate yourself on both lists on a scale of one to 10. 10 is chaching mastery. You could bring it to that business right now. The business is asking for it. You say, I got you. That's 10. One is you suck. Where you're a five, six or seven, you close the gaps. Same thing on the other list, qualities and characteristics. Good listener, right? Where you're a 10, great, but where you're a three, close the gaps. It's like those S.B.I. is the Strategic Brand Initiatives. It's all about get freaking real. So they're tripping. They have a conversation with their business. They get naked. They see where they need to close the gaps. When you do that, anyone who's listening to this, when you do that, you can no longer complain about market conditions and competition and this. And I don't have enough capital, and I'm not this enough. Bullshit. You take control of that and close those gaps. And as you do, you increase your competence, which then brings up your confidence, which then brings up your competence again. And you're and you go on up the eensy beensy spider, but not up the water spout. Up the spout to prosperity and fulfillment. Boom. When I teach that, and people come back and say, I did that. Had it worked, had it worked, it's a game changer, because now you're taking responsibility. You could do it for your health. Hey, body, what you what do you need from me? Make a list. Yeah, rate yourself on your ability to bring that. Close the gaps. Bring your gift, your body, your magnificent body developed. I mean, it's amazing. And keep it in optimal condition by putting natural foods in, hydrating with quality water, getting the right movement, then it's like life is easy. People say, David, you're 72 and you play pickleball every day and you play tennis, yeah. God made an incredible body. God made unbelievable food. I put God's food into God's body. Boom. No GMO shit. No chemicals, no process, no fluoride in water, no fluoride in toothpaste. You know, I cleanse my liver and my kidney everyday with homeopathy, I chelate heavy metals out of my body with ACC Nano. Take responsibility. Life is good, baby.

Lesley Logan 29:20  

I love how you attribute to business and also to our health, because I think it's really important. And I just want to, like, highlight a couple things. I didn't know I was doing meditration, but I was doing, like, like a version of the morning pages, right? So morning, like, my therapist was like, I want you to journal. And then I was like, well, I'm a recovering perfectionist. So a week later, I was like, what am I supposed to journal? Like, how do I journal? Not really even understanding which, I have the journals I got pens. I can't read my own handwriting. So, like, what are we doing here? She's like, okay, how would you just do morning pages? Just write for three pages and whatever comes out. And I found within a couple of days, like, the thing that was bothering me or the thing that I feared would like, it would come on the page, and then by the end, I would understand, why was I afraid? What was I going to do? All these different things? And so I can't agree more, like I don't. I think most of our listeners, like, when they hear meditation is the thing they need to do, they're like, I'm sorry. We're out. Because, like, when you have ADD or ADHD, good luck removing the thought from your brain, but giving someone something to think, like, actually do and close their eyes and let it come out. I do, I do see how that could be really amazing. Because I can see, like, first of all, I can get angry because I like, I like to get angry at the thing. I got to do a little blame game that I got blame myself. Then I got to keep going. It's like, actually, it's not me, it's not them. It's this thing right here that I've been avoiding. And we can stop avoiding it, or we could do the thing. So I love that. The other thing I love is, like, I love those questions you asked because I think, I do think inside you're correct, that we do have the answers. We don't need chatGPT to tell us. I mean, you can use that. I have friends who love it, and we have a bot of me. But like, you can also just ask yourself, like, what do I need right now? And half the time when I ask myself that, when I'm frustrated, I'm like, I need something that's like, drink some water. Like, just go drink some water. Go sit outside. Go pet your dog. Like, go do something that brings you present. Because one of the things that I like, really obsessed about with you, and I'm really trying to figure out how we even know each other. I'm like, saying, how'd this man end up on my podcast? I love him. He's so great. Where'd we come from? Yeah, no, I can see that from the application. I think it might have been my husband, so maybe, but we'll figure that out offline. But what I'm loving is you are so passionate, and that is, like, contagious, of course, in all the best ways, but you have so much kindness and grace for all situations like you're you've talked about your heart a few times, but like, what I'm seeing is like you approach everything with, like, it's a problem to be solved, but not from a place of like, punishment or shame or judgment, but just observation and then taking some time to to go what would what can I give myself? What can I do this? How can I learn more here? And what it allows is all of us to be in process. None of us have to be perfect at this. Like you're always, like you said, you get the competence, you get the confidence, and then you guess what? You get more competence, which means you get more confidence. So we're always going to be on this mountain with no peak, but not in a way that's like a slog, in a way that is like high, like a good high.

David Corbin 32:19  

Yeah, you're a natural illuminator? No, you are when, when you write and then you see it, you see what happens is, is we usually keep problems on. We sweep it under the carpet. Well, I can tell you that, like mushrooms, they multiply in the dark, right when you take it out, daylight is the best disinfectant. And so you take it out and you illuminate. You look at it. It's not as bad as when you you use so much energy to energy to repress it and keep it down in there and stuff. Just freaking look at it, and it like a vampire, something that evaporates just in daylight and stuff. So you're already doing in a way that I call it different you, but who cares? We get to the same place. What is your objective? What is my objective? I could tell you mine is happiness, love, joy, equipoise, health, fulfillment, like I just trademark something. You know they have KPIs. Keep, bullshit, because that's all left brain analytic perfection. Make it KFIs, Key Fulfillment Indicators, everybody, customers, you your employees, your employees' family, they all need to be fulfilled. So you're looking at these metrics to make everyone and everything fulfilled. That is a more feminine energy into business, and I'm all about that. The feminization of energy in this planet is time, and we're seeing it, we're seeing it, we're feeling it. So groups like Heart Math and the like, are testing and measuring the our brain emits x. Our heart image emits, like, 18,000 x it's unbelievable. It's all measured and shit. The work by my friend Joe Dispenza, in terms of of meditation and what's happening in there and brain waves. Oh, my God, he's having a seizure. No, they're down in this theta and that where you can see anything and every is like doing an Ibogaine trip, you know, or Ayahuasca, to a degree, but more Ibogaine, or 5-MeO-DMT, and like, you're expanding how you can see things and shit. It's really cool. So, yeah, one of you and I, one of us is redundant. The world doesn't need both of us because we both kind of think of the same. 

Lesley Logan 34:44  

Can we, I've, I feel like, I feel like I need to find you in New York and we need to hang out because you like, I don't know, I want to be around your energy more. This is so fun. But also I, I want to highlight you guys. You have to, like, Look at this man on YouTube, on the videos, because you're the same age as my dad. And I think my dad's pretty bad ass for a 72 year old who, like, you know, had to do a post office game after the military and, like, got forced out of like, all all the life things that happened to him, and he can deadlift like, 300 pounds, like, the man is strong. But what I am obsessed with is your your recall, the way you are sharing these stories and that you're not stopping like, that is something that my 72 year old father does not have, and I can tell it's, one, it's all the ways that you're treating yourself. And two, it's like you're a constant learner, and you're and you're like, you're, you're going back to we talked about the beginning. You're like, facing it, following it, fixing it, like, because you're on that process all the time. It's, it's really cool to see, like, your evolution. I mean, it's just, I am very amazed and very impressed, and like, want to eat what you're eating, because I want to be, I want to be you at 72.

David Corbin 35:53  

M, my bride, Ann, and I wrote a book. It's 419 pages. It's called Resanity: Truths About Food, Pharma and Healthy Living in an Insane World. Now, we were told not to publish it because we outed a lot of industries, and they said, if you publish that book, you better have somebody start your car in the morning, because they ain't going to be happy. So, so we didn't have to publish it, but just the research, to your point, the stuff that I study, learn and teach is the stuff that I want to study learn and teach, you see, and it's a and it's an iterative process and stuff. So when I study health, I do health like I don't have to publish that book I learned all about chelation and homeopathy and to stay away from certain drugs and certain jabs and and foods, and don't listen to this bullshit and listen to that bullshit and muscle test and applied kinesiology, and we live it. So my wife and I just kicked ass to a lot younger guys on the pickleball court, and they're like, this sucks. I go, yeah, it sucks being you, man. No, I live in San Diego.

Lesley Logan 37:07  

I'm in Las Vegas. We're so close.

David Corbin 37:10  

Yeah, yeah, I know. In fact, I go to Vegas because I have a client who's an artist in residence at Mandalay Bay, at the House of Blues, and his name is Carlos Santana.

Lesley Logan 37:20  

Well, there you have it.

David Corbin 37:21  

Do you know who Carlos is? 

Lesley Logan 37:23  

Of course, I do. I'm, my husband's a bass player and like, and he used to have a drum radio show, and I think they were getting Carlos and his drummer on. And if I'm wrong, Brad will just pretend like I was right, but I'm pretty, of course, I know Carlos Santana. Are you kidding?

David Corbin 37:40  

There's me and Carlos right there. Carlos' drummer is Cindy Blackman Santana. She was Lenny Kravitz's drummer. Carlos says, I love drummers so much I married mine. So Carlos' drummer is Cindy. And then they have a timpani guy, and then a congadera. The show. If you haven't seen the show.

Lesley Logan 38:01  

I gotta go. I mean, it's down the street from my house. 

David Corbin 38:05  

It's, it's, it's a sick experience. And you hit me up and I'll see if I can, I sit in Carlos' seats, which doesn't suck. It's such an intimate environment, yeah, that even if you get standing room only. You're like, 10 feet away from a legend, and this, he's an enlightened being. 

Lesley Logan 38:26  

I actually got to go to the that venue because I was, I thought I was getting tickets for the Counting Crows, but I got tickets to the Black Crows. My friends invited me, and I'm there and going. I don't know any of these songs. I have no idea who am I even seeing. And I was like, literally googling. I'm like, oh, this is a very famous band that I know nothing about.

David Corbin 38:42  

Girlfriend, dig this. So, so they were in town in San Diego. I was supposed to be in Vietnam. My trip Vietnam got canceled, so I'm in San Diego. So okay, so I go see them. And so the Counting Crows and Santana, I didn't know who Counting Crows was.

Lesley Logan 38:58  

So you actually saw the Counting Crows, and I saw the Black Crows, or you?

David Corbin 39:01  

I saw Counting Crows. So now, dig this, dig this. So now I'm sitting there with my wife, and my sister in law was in from and so we're there, and I'm actually enjoying Counting Crows. They're really good. That lead singer is like a theatrical performer, he's unbelievable. Right while I'm digging the music, I get the text, can you come backstage now? I'm like, torn between two lovers. I'm digging this music, but who doesn't want to go backstage and hang. 

Lesley Logan 39:32  

With Carlos Santana? 

David Corbin 39:34  

Kind of like, yeah, my life doesn't suck (inaudible) like, my life doesn't say, Okay, thank you. Thank you.

Lesley Logan 39:42  

Do you think like I feel like we fall into things? So I got to see and our listeners like, what are you talking about? Don't worry, because we'll have Be It Actions in a second. But for my birthday, I had a few friends come out for, like, a girls trip here in Vegas, and I didn't really make a lot of plans. And one of the girls goes, hey, it was, like, six o'clock and we were about to go to a dinner reservation. She's like, hey, do you want to go see The Eagles at The Sphere? And I was like, yeah, I'll go to The Eagles at The Sphere. Like, why not? Just like, yeah, we, we can get these. My friend has two, has box seats. And I was like, okay, even better, you guys. I was in the CEO of The Spheres box seats. I saw The Eagles live at The Sphere, which is like, the venue. My girlfriend goes, I think Bono is right next to us. And I looked over, I was like, No, that's Ringo Starr, babe. People have got to be looking like, who are these two girls at The Eagles concert in a box of The Spear? Because we're definitely not their age group. But I, I know The Eagles I grew up on oldie, like, I'm not, people would be so upset if I called oldies, but that's what I apparently, raised me on that so I was, I was having the best time of my life. Okay, we can share more stories. And obviously you need to have and need to have a hangout session when you're here in Vegas, or I'm gonna come to San Diego this summer, but gonna take a brief break, kinda where people can follow you, find you, stan you, all those things. All right, David, where do you hang out? Where can people read all of your books, like just get obsessed with you in the best way? 

David Corbin 41:10  

Yeah. So here's the deal, my name, my handle. My name is David Corbin. If you can't find me on Google, schmoogle, chat, whatever, then forget about it. So, you know, David, and my email is [email protected] and I answer every email, not immediately, but I, not my assistant. And I also have a, you know, I have a chat. I have a robo Dave. I have an AI Dave, which is kind of cool, but I answer any and all emails, because if somebody gives a shit enough to reach out, and if I vibe with them, then I'm going to answer. So there's that. So it's [email protected] and I have another name, which is because I mentor some rap stars. So I'm known as everybody calls me Uncle Dave, because, like oldies, I am a freaking oldie. That's all good. I don't care. So, so they said, if you're going to be in this field, we got to give you a handle. Everybody calls your Uncle Dave. So Master P said, your name is Uncle D, U-N-K-A dash d. So I said, yo. And if you doubt if you doubt me, you better out me. He goes, oh yeah, you Uncle D. 

Lesley Logan 41:10  

Oh my gosh, I'm obsessed. 

David Corbin 42:07  

I'm Uncle D, so find me at Uncle D, and the books are all over Amazon. But you know, the most important thing is you don't need me. You need you. Don't go to YouTube. Kill the tube. Tune into the you. Tune into the you. You know a lot more than you give yourself credit for. I'm talking to most people you know a lot more than give self credit towards. So stop dissing yourself. Step into your greatness. You got greatness in you. Don't let anybody kid you. I'm known as the mentor to mentors. People pay me a lot of money to mentor them. Many of the people, I tell them, Okay, you're done. You I see that you got you. You don't need me. So boom mic drop. 

Lesley Logan 43:08  

I can't even think of a better Be It Action Items to end this episode with Uncle Dave. Thank you for thank you for this. I honestly, I'm so excited. However, whomever, whatever got you on this schedule today, you've made mine, and I can't wait to connect with you again. You guys, how are you going to use these tips in your life. We want to know. Tag Dave, tag the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs to hear it. In fact, if you share it with bunch of your friends, guess what? You all start doing competence, and then confidence, and then competence and confidence and rising together, and you don't have those crazy people in your life who bring you down. So thank you so much, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 43:44  

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Brad Crowell 44:27  

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Lesley Logan 44:31  

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Lesley Logan 44:42  

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Brad Crowell 44:46  

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hi, Be It, babe. Happy Friday. How are you? What's going on? I'm still on the road as you're listening to this, so I recorded early, and so these are some of the wins that I did before I left for tour. But I actually think that it's a lot of fun and still worth listening to because same reason, I love to share your win. Sometimes they're a month or so after you've sent them in, and then you get to hear them go, oh my God, I did do that. And they get to re-celebrate this amazing thing that you did. So I'm going to re-celebrate what I did, in my view, but first, just so you know, you can actually send your wins. An easier way, go to beitpod.com/questions, I know that sounds weird, but you can put your question or win it or both, right, we answer your questions on the Thursday episode. We share your wins on the Friday episode. But first we share something that inspired me, and I thought you guys needed to hear about this. 

Lesley Logan 1:35  

Okay, so it says five non-negotiable days you should schedule every month. All right, so this, I'll put the link in the show notes so you can actually see it for yourself. But it said there's five days that you have in here each month, right? So that would be 12 times a year, ideally. So you need to Get It Together Day that's a day to clear the clutter, physically, mentally and digitally. This can be paying your bills, organizing your inbox, or doing meal prep. It's boring, but it's a kind of maintenance that keeps life from spiraling out of control. I couldn't agree more. I love this Get It Together Day so it's already being scheduled in to the life that we live. It's kind of like, oh, let's pick a Saturday or a Sunday to, like, declutter a closet, right? So then we have Unplugged Day. So you need a day, it's 24 hours where you avoid technology as much as possible. So put down your phone and go for a hike, spend time with people or person, or read a book. The world will fall apart while you're offline, but your mental health might improve. I often use unplug days on planes because it's a little easier. But I also do play a video game. So, you know, find a day or half day or six hours where it's like, I'm not going to be like, using my technology, all right, be safe, but also figure like, get creative, right? Hey, the next day, Be a Tourist Day. Be a tourist in your own city day. How cool. When was the last time you explored your city like it wasn't just where you lived? There's a new location or try a restaurant you've never been to? Routine makes time fly, but exploration slows it down. See the world around you with fresh eyes. I couldn't agree more. We have been trying out new bars and new restaurants, and as I literally record this, I have a text message from a friend where I'm supposed to re-find a restaurant because I booked us a reservation and the restaurant canceled it, and as rude as they always are, they didn't tell us why. So now we're trying to figure out a new place to eat, and it's like, oh well, I'll just be a tourist that day. That sounds fun to me. Okay. Reconnection Day. Life gets busy, but relationships are what make it meaningful. Take at least one day per month to reconnect with people who matter, no agenda, no hidden motive, just real human connection. I mean, you can probably, like, combine some days, right? You have Reconnection Day with an unplugged day. Pick some friends, go for a hike, right? You could be a tourist too. Oh, my God, all these different things you could do. So if you like. I'm too busy for these days. Well, get creative. You know, like the world is what you see. I'm just gonna be really honest with you, and I think this is the last one, Mini Adventure Day. You don't need a plane ticket to have an adventure. Do something small that's new but feels exciting. Take a new route home, try a new class, or visit a museum, break your routine and make your days more story-worthy. So I'm just truly obsessed with this. I'm actually keeping this safe for myself. Just make sure that I'm finding ways to do these things in my busy calendar. You're gonna hear in the wins this month, like where I've actually done these things before I saw this, and I'm like, oh, I really love those things and look at me. I had a Reconnection Day. So anyways, I hope this inspires you. 

Lesley Logan 4:24  

Now, let's do a win of yours. So this one was sent in from Tami-Adrian George. She actually has an episode coming up. She is a OPC teacher and an Agency member, and we have a really fun program coming out with her. So if your Pilates instructor wants to teach in people's homes, we've got something. So this one was from a little bit ago, but I'm sharing it now, and she says new website is done mostly just a few annoying bits to clean up, but messy action is my traction tag pilates.com. Spent a week getting the best hugs from college boy being home for spring break. Soft rollout for my biz. Coaching, have skill, will travel. The method is going well. There isn't much out there exclusively for traveling to instructors. And I want to take a quick moment in the sessions of my regulars to let them know that although they be seeing me more on my feet about coaching, I'm still 100% committed to their customized programs. I ask them to be sure to let me know early about their travel vacation plans so we can book their virtual sessions that will often fall a bit outside of the normal schedule with time zone changes, I expected a bit of pushback, and got none, just love and support. Made a new IG teacher friend who's in Thailand named Tick when I DM-ed him to thank him for following and asked how he found me, he sent a picture of LL's flashcards. That's so cool. Oh my God, so fun. So I love all these different little wins in here. I just wanna break them down, because you guys, she is celebrating a website that's mostly done, right, like oftentimes we wait to celebrate until everything is perfectly tied up in a boat that is not gonna happen. I'm literally looking at a pile of coats that I move from one closet to what's gonna be the next closet, and I'm still celebrating that I got them from one closet, right? We have to give ourselves permission to be in process and in progress. I also love that she is celebrating like, the little moments with her son being home, like it's really sometimes we want more of other people's time. We don't always get it. So when you celebrate the time you do have, it does make it feel so special. And then she is working on a new program, and I love that she is sharing that with people who it doesn't even apply to, so that they know what's going on and that she's still committed to them. Because oftentimes we're like, oh, let me make this precious. Let me hold on to this thing that I'm doing and not tell anyone about it, because I don't want them to know because in case it fails. No, tell people about it. Tell why they're doing it, tell how they're part of it, because you have no idea how they might know. Plus, universe responds to us talking about the things we're doing. So love all these wins. And also, if you are in business and you're listening to this, if you do get new followers, it's really important to sometimes find out how they found you, because it lets you know where you should be spending your time. So, way to go. I love that they have my flashcards in Thailand. Thanks for letting me know, Tami. 

Lesley Logan 7:04  

All right, a win of mine. So I'll go with this one. I cleaned out a closet, and when I, right, like we were just talking about those coats. So we have this closet that's by the front door. I'm sure we, like everyone has closets they're by the front door. Anyways, this closet was like the dog closet, plus the coat closet, plus the shoe closet, plus my weight vest closet, and it's just kind of like it's too small for how many things it's supposed to hold. And in the wintertime, we need our big coats to be in there, and that is no longer something we need in there. So I pulled all the big coats out because we're not going to need until October, November. Anyways, and so they didn't quite make it into the podcast room closet, where all the other coats are, because we need to make room. We need to make space. And so I talked to Brad about this. I said, hey, before we leave for tour, we have to go through this closet. Okay? Because there's now this closet is a coat closet, slash the gift closet, slash your music equipment closet. So can we, like do that one of the weekends, and I'm sharing this with you. We're in the process of this win being another win, so we've done one win. The coat closet by the front door, easy to use, tons of space. Can't even believe it, like, so much room. We also donated a bunch of dog stuff to this shelter that takes care of homeless people's dogs. We had a bunch of toys that Bayon doesn't like, and since Gaia and August have passed, like we have all this extra stuff. We have one dog now, and we used to have three, so we have a lot of extra stuff. So we started to donate a ton of dog stuff that was used and gently used to another charity. So you can, you can find all with all the wins I'm having out of cleaning one closet out and, no, it's not done, the project's not done. But you know what? I can't wait in my life for things to be done before I celebrate. Life would be way too hard. There's way too much stuff going on. I just want to remind you of that each and every week, my loves, you're doing a really great job, and nothing is ever going to be perfectly done. Ever. You're going to realize, oh, like, the Reformer flashcards have gone through like three or four reprints. We've sold out, reprinted, sold out, reprinted. And on the third reprint, we discovered that there's a misspelled word no one has ever told us about, right? So here I thought we're done with that, and we're not. We have to reprint it. We'll wait till the next print. We'll fix that one word. But I just want to give you permission to celebrate that you pulled a coat from one closet and you got it into the room where it's supposed to go. Congratulations, right? 

Lesley Logan 9:24  

So, send your wins in and share this with a person who needs to, needs inspiration that good things do happen to good people who put themselves out there and put themselves in process. They really, really, really do. And I do hope that I get to see you in person at some point, either on our summer tour, our upcoming winter tour in the U.K. next month, on our retreat, like, let's spend some time together because I love that the podcasts and our platforms allow us to reach people all around the world, but I truly love getting to meet you in person and hearing more about what you need and how we could support you. Helps us pick up the guests for this podcast. It helps us design classes on OPC. It's all part of it, right? So we want to meet you. So definitely reach out for information on any of the in-person events that we're doing, and send your wins or your questions or both to beitpod.com/questions. Thank you so much and have an amazing day. Oh, you know what to do, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 10:17  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 11:00  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 11:05  

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Brad Crowell 11:09  

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Lesley Logan 11:16  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 11:20  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this reflective episode, Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell dive into the most powerful lessons from the interview with Tami-Adrian George, founder of T.A.G Pilates & More and creator of the HAVE SKILLS, WILL TRAVEL Method. Together unpack how to stop comparing and start honoring your own pace. Learn why alignment matters more than achievement and how to redefine success on your terms.

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• Why you need to stop measuring your progress against other people.
• How building a values-aligned business support long-term success.
• The truth about burnout and how to listen to your body.
• How climbing life’s mountains reveals new opportunities and clarity.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

We always are comparing ourselves to others and what they can do and then seen as a thing that we can't do, that we like, missed out. We missed the genetic opportunity to do that, or we missed out on the height to do whatever, like the money, the time, whatever it is. And really it's like, you know, something that we're really proud of at even OPC. And one of the reasons why we love Tami and why she loves OPC is like, she wants you to measure yourself against yourself. 

Lesley Logan 0:22  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:05  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intentional convo I have with Tami-Adrian George in our last episode. If you haven't listened to that one, you absolutely should, especially if you are a Pilates instructor, absolutely should do it. 

Brad Crowell 1:20  

I mean, there's definitely a jaw-dropping moment in there where you're like, what did you do? That's amazing. 

Lesley Logan 1:26  

Oh, and also, like, anyone who, like, thinks, oh gosh, I'm like, not quite my life has not been linear. I'm not qualified for anything like this girl has had a journey, yeah. Are you talking about when they they, yeah, yeah, like that. 

Brad Crowell 1:42  

Yeah, okay, we should definitely cut that from it, because you should go back and watch that. So bleep out we'll bleep it out. We'll bleep out what Lesley just said. 

Lesley Logan 1:51  

Yeah, that's even more fun. I love when pods do that, because you're like, who is it? What did they say? Now I have to go listen. Anyways, go back and listen and then come back and listen to this, or listen all the way through, get the cliff notes and then go listen to that one. 

Lesley Logan 2:04  

Okay, today is July 31st and it's National Mutt Day. Dogs are special, and there're oodles of national international holidays to prove it, oodles of them. But unlike most of our doggy days, national mutt day on July 31st focus on the mixed breed dogs who sometimes get overlooked. This holiday inspires people to learn more about adopting one. National Mutt Day also brings attention to many great mixed breed dogs in need of homes. In fact, they benefit from the spotlight so much that we celebrate mixed breed dogs, not just once, but twice a year, on both July 31st and December 2nd. Join us and celebrate all mutts and mixed breed dogs that make our lives so great. So mark your calendar for December 2nd because we probably won't do this again unless we forgot we did it already. And I don't know what the second is, maybe it's not Thursday. But also, I highly recommend a mutt. They have less issues, like, way less like all that stuff.

Brad Crowell 2:55  

They, like health issues, you mean, usually, yeah. In fact, all three of our dogs have been mixed breed. Yeah. You know, we haven't gotten like a purebred but, but you know, generally speaking, if you're gonna pick up a dog from the pound, it's gonna be a mixed breed most likely.

Lesley Logan 3:13  

Brad, you are not following the feeds of my dog adoptions in this town. You how many Frenchies are available at a pound? Yes, Frenchies, Frenchies, and English Bulldogs. I thought those were thousands of dollars. I mean, like and beautiful huskies and beautiful German Shepherds. I will say there, there's a shepherd pit mix is like, the cutest thing I've ever seen, also a big dog. But, the reason I chose this is, if you haven't checked in with your local dog charities in town, you really should they are not doing well. They are overcrowded. They're having a lot of problems that shelters that used to be no kill shelters are actually becoming kill shelters because they have too many dogs. And if you're like Lesley, my life is crazy. I travel so much. Great. Foster. Get a dog for the two weeks you're in town and give it back. In fact, in this, where we are, like, they're always looking for fosters. And like, the fosters could be two weeks long, it could be or until they're adopted. So you could have this dog until it's adopted, and they pay for all the medical bills. They like, there's this one dog, eight month old puppy, so cute, she's so cute. She's got skin issues. And they're like, We will cover all of medication. You just have to apply it and give her a home. That's all so, you know, like, not all fosters are fails, and you could be doing a really great thing, but literally, one of the shelters in town took in 400 dogs and cats in one week. 

Brad Crowell 4:35  

What? 

Lesley Logan 4:36  

I know we haven't before, we're recording this, before the fourth. It wasn't even the fourth. So they actually were able to adopt. They did a no fee adoption weekend, and they adopted 120 animals. Because, like, they, like, just need to get these things, these animals adopted. So I know it's hard. Like, apartments have rules and laws and all those things. It's really, really difficult. But like, figure out what you can do. Can you walk these dogs? Like, what can you do? Because they actually do make your like, if you think the world is falling in and it kind of is, I'm not gonna lie, really, really struggling right now, but there's something nice about hugging a dog. Yeah, I can't, I can't attest for a cat, so I don't know. Maybe they're great too, or a rabbit, but like a dog, like they're just really, there's unconditional love there. There really is. So you, it really helps you. And we go for walks with our dog in the middle of the day, because we're like, this is really overwhelming. And we go walk the dog, and you're like, oh, it's a good day. Look how beautiful the day is. So anyways, yeah, do that today. 

Lesley Logan 5:30  

Okay, we're currently on tour with our dog. We are in Northern California, and the tour goes to August 17th, so you actually still have time to join us, and there's still time to get your virtual tickets to the Calgary event. So if you go to opc.me/tour, you can see the rest of the lineup. I know we have coming up, Eureka, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver, Kamloops, Calgary, then it's McCall, Idaho, Salt Lake City, Utah, and then Las Vegas. So still good, half of this tour is available, and Calgary is the one if you're wanting the virtual tickets, limited space on those, so just go to opc.me/tour, and then we're home for a couple weeks, and then we change the entire wardrobe we've been in to go to where it's not so warm. We're going to be in the UK. We have two events in the UK the time we're recording this. There's a couple spots left in Leeds. There's a few spots left in Essex, and Essex has opened up not only day passes, but single workshop options. If you just wanted to buy one workshop and see us like that is an option. You just have to go to opc.me/uk, and then Brad, then what? 

Brad Crowell 6:32  

Then we're heading to Cambodia. 

Lesley Logan 6:34  

Yeah. We come home for a couple weeks and we change the wardrobe again. So we go from summer to winter-ish, and then we go to the jungle.

Brad Crowell 6:45  

We go to humidity. 

Lesley Logan 6:47  

Humidity. Oh, my God, my skin is dying for it. 

Brad Crowell 6:51  

Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. We still have some room for Cambodia in October. It's there's definitely still time to come join us. We'd love to have you the this trip is gonna be really fun we're having two excursions after the retreat is over. One of them is to go see an elephant sanctuary, and the other is to go visit a waterfall that used to be the King's Waterfall. And these are two magical trips Lesley and I have had the chance to do before and. 

Lesley Logan 7:20  

I really wonder how the king got up to this waterfall, because our experience is less than first. 

Brad Crowell 7:25  

It takes like it's like an hour to drive up, up, like, there from the city and like, man getting up the hill. Like, now finally. 

Lesley Logan 7:34  

They're trying, they're trying to pave it, but it's not. 

Brad Crowell 7:36  

Yeah but when we first went up there, it was like 2017 or '18 or something like that and like it was literally just a slick, muddy road.

Lesley Logan 7:45  

I thought we got stuck in the mud. 

Brad Crowell 7:46  

We did yes, and we had to get off the bus, just so the bus was light enough to get around the freaking corner, and then we had to run around the corner ourselves and hop back on. We were like, are we gonna make it up this hill? This is crazy. Today, it's not like that. Today, it's actually paved, not like, it's not beautifully paved, but there is paving. 

Lesley Logan 8:03  

There's, okay, here's the thing, every time we go, I'm interested to see how far the paving has gone, because it, you know, we live in Vegas, and I'm going to tell you right now, I have wanted to film the construction cones that go up in this town, like, I just want to start filming them for you, because they make no sense, like when we had them at our street for three years. They we had cones on ours, three years. Some days you would be driving on the right side of the road, some days the left side of the road. Some days you think you're in the left turn lane, but really you're in the lane for the oncoming traffic, and then you are stuck because they can't go you can't go anywhere. They can't go anywhere. And now there's a new cone set up on our way to the gym. And we are just always watching people go in the wrong lane. A truck almost hit another car. 

Brad Crowell 8:48  

Oh, yeah. It's the real thing. 

Lesley Logan 8:48  

So, so, so when I talk about this construction situation in Cambodia, I want you to know like, I do not think we are better. In fact, they might be better because what they did is start at one end of the mountain and pave a little bit, and then stop because they ran out of money, and then, but only on one side. And then.

Brad Crowell 9:08  

When you say one side, you mean one side of the street. 

Lesley Logan 9:08  

One side of the street. 

Brad Crowell 9:11  

Yeah. So they didn't pave both sides of the street the same time. They paved the right side like, imagine that they paved the right side street and they painted it like, you know, the dotted line in the middle of your of the road. Imagine that that was the right lane they painted. And then they or they would pave, and then they would stop for 300 yards, then they would pave for 300 yards, then they would stop for 300 yards. 

Lesley Logan 9:32  

Yes, so you're on pavement, off payment. 

Brad Crowell 9:34  

Then on your way back, they did the opposite, exact opposite. So almost looks like a zipper, right, and like, you're not allowed to, like, cross between the two sides of the road, but in order for. 

Lesley Logan 9:44  

Everyone does.

Brad Crowell 9:45  

Everyone does.

Lesley Logan 9:46  

And if you're on curves, and it's, so everyone is driving on.

Brad Crowell 9:50  

You can get stuck, because, like, it's actually raised up off the ground by like a solid foot. So if you're on the paved part on the wrong side of the road, you can. And someone comes at you. It's not like you guys can just get off the road like, so it's like this. 

Lesley Logan 10:04  

Yes, so you're playing like chicken, or all the motos are doing. 

Brad Crowell 10:08  

I mean, it's not like they're going fast so. 

Lesley Logan 10:10  

No, you can't go fast. It's pretty steep. Anyways, it is. It is the most fun to adventure, you're totally safe. And then we go down to the waterfall and we have lunch, and it's just absolutely fabulous. So, so anyways, you got to come crowsnestretreats.com.

Brad Crowell 10:23  

Yeah, crowsnestretreats.com I heard that we have an audience question. 

Lesley Logan 10:28  

We do. I sent it to you. I sent it to the whole family.

Brad Crowell 10:33  

Yes, you did. All right. This is from YouTube @janethangan7368 says, excellent question excellent one question. This was on your full body Pilates tower workout. Excellent. One question. I think you keep saying fast connection, F-A-S-T fast. I know you're referring to an activation of the hams and glutes, but are you actually saying fast or what are you saying there, and where does the term come from? Your cueing and your tips are outstanding. I just can't understand you. I added that last part she didn't say that.

Lesley Logan 11:08  

Oh, I was gonna say, I don't remember that part. I remember like, I remember thinking, wow, I'm gonna put a compliment in with a question. Look at that. So, so over on the YouTube channel, so that's youtube.com/@onlinepilatesclasses, we, couple years ago, did upload a few workouts, and this is a Tower workout. Yes, I'm on a Cadillac, but it's a Tower workout, and it's a booty workout, because people who want to help you with your YouTube telling you you have to do butt and abs workout. So anyways, I am saying Thass® connection. 

Brad Crowell 11:37  

Spell it. 

Lesley Logan 11:39  

I was like, Thass® T-H-A-S-S it's where your thigh meets your butt. And really what it is is it's like the muscles that surround the leg, minus the hip flexors. So, so many people in Pilates are over using their hip flexors. In fact, one of my dear friends did a whole three month air quotes around Pilates pro challenge because she didn't really go to an actual Pilates class. And I was like, oh no, Pilates-inspired is marketing tool. That's not it. But she was talking about how much her hip flexors were hurting her in all the classes. And I'm like, yes, that's because you're not using your hamstrings or glutes, your outer hips and inner thighs, and that's what the Thass® connection is. And so. So, Jane, with lots of letters and numbers. It is the area that is not including the hip flexor that helps your legs move from your center. And you can find it in all Pilates exercises. And it's, in fact, very helpful. And I teach a workshop on this. In fact, I teach it on several different stops on our tour, including the Calgary stop, which is a virtual stop. So you could all join us for the virtual Thass® workshop to really understand this connection. Where did it come from? I heard a yoga teacher say foodie, and I heard it and thought, and I was like, I don't, I say ass, so I'm gonna say Thass®. Now, do I think I invented this word? No, because I'm sure that anytime someone quotes me as the trademark owner of Thass®, there's people who come at me like, you don't own this word. And it's like, well, technically, I do. It doesn't mean you can't use it. You just can't make money on it because I trademarked it, but I was known for it. I've been teaching workshops and this connection for over 10 years. It's been something I've been on a journey with, with myself, and so I'm not going to say that I'm the founder of this word, because language has been around a lot longer than all of us on this planet. However, it is something that I really am passionate about. So I hope you join us, Jane, for the Calgary event on on virtual if you can't join us in person at one of the events where we're teaching it in real life on the tour. You can send your questions in at beitpod.com/questions, you can also send your wins in to the same link. So, beitpod.com/questions. You can also text us at 310-905-5534.

Brad Crowell 13:49  

Yep, yeah. But go to beitpod.com/questions because.

Lesley Logan 13:52  

(inaudible) number was like, 310, be it till you see, like, you know what I mean, just be it. Can we have a phone number like, just be it? 

Brad Crowell 14:01  

Be It Pod B-E-I-T-P-O-D 7, maybe we can do that. 

Lesley Logan 14:06  

Yeah, figure that out, team. 

Brad Crowell 14:08  

Yeah, team.

Lesley Logan 14:10  

Oh, while we're doing this, I haven't shown you yet, and you're not gonna see it, because Meredith and I are doing it ourselves, but we're doing new art for the pod.

Brad Crowell 14:17  

Oh, I love it. 

Lesley Logan 14:19  

Me too. Me too. 

Brad Crowell 14:20  

I've been thinking about actually changing up. 

Lesley Logan 14:22  

I want to change the music. 

Brad Crowell 14:24  

Yeah, all, a lot of things, just changing it up.

Lesley Logan 14:26  

Because I, because, here's the thing, and you guys, please send in your send in your comments and your questions and your wins here. I like the music of our pod on 1.75 speed, but I don't like it at 1.0 speed. And so I want a faster song now, like, I like this podcast has grown and, you know, it's I want it to just be like, I don't know. I just, I don't even know. Like, Lindsay Sterling was who I like based it off of before. And of course, we still love her, and she did a great song with Jeffrow, our dear friend, but I guess like it, but faster, so maybe we can just make it faster. So. 

Brad Crowell 15:08  

We can make it fast, faster. 

Lesley Logan 15:10  

Faster, faster. Okay, we gotta talk about Adrian. Tami-Adrian, we are we are late. People are wondering what's going on and why you're clicking over there. 

Brad Crowell 15:21  

All right, stick around. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 15:20  

All right now, let's talk about Tami-Adrian George. She is a former competitive dancer and actress turned powerhouse Pilates instructor and mobility coach. Her journey has included everything from Super Bowl halftime shows to on set acting and urgent care medical work and now a thriving mobile Pilates business in Los Angeles. She's the founder of T.A.G. Pilates & More and has been teaching for over 34 years, it's insane, blending classical and contemporary Pilates with functional fitness and rehab. She's also a featured instructor on OPC, bringing her deep expertise to clients and teachers around the world. And Tammi is just so awesome. 

Lesley Logan 15:59  

She's so awesome. She comes to the house a couple times a year. We get to hang out with her when she films and everything and when, whenever, whenever, she reminds me how long she's been teaching. I'm like, oh, you're much, you've been around longer. But she doesn't look older like she has such. 

Brad Crowell 16:16  

No, she's just fun and hip and cool. 

Lesley Logan 16:18  

She's so fun. She's so hip. She's also, like, proof, she's walking proof that if you, like, put your mind to something, and you figure out the resources that are there, you can have it, you can do it. You know, like, she just really doesn't let like obstacles stop her. She's like, okay, that's an obstacle. Let me figure out another way around it so. 

Brad Crowell 16:34  

You can do it. Put your Thass® into it. 

Lesley Logan 16:36  

That's right. So she said, one of the things I loved that she said was, we all have blocks of what we think we cannot do. Let's not measure you against a 19 year old on the mat next to you. Let's measure you against you. And I really love this because, you know, we just came out of an eLevate weekend, and people were like, oh my God, she's just got a beautiful practice. Like, how am I going to teach that? I'm like, what if we looked for the strength in her practice rather than the beauty of the practice? Like we all doesn't matter how the person that they're talking about is the same age as them, actually it doesn't the age is not even a thing. It's that we always are comparing ourselves to others and what they can do and then seen as a thing that we can't do, that we like, missed out. We missed the genetic opportunity to do that, or we missed out on the height to do whatever, like, the money, the time, whatever it is. And really it's like, you know, something that we're really proud of like even at OPC. And one of the reasons why we love Tammy and why she loves OPC is like she wants you to measure yourself against yourself. I want, we want to measure yourself against yourself. So whether that's in Pilates or or your job career or whatever you're doing, how can you see other people's achievements as opportunities, like examples that opportunities exist, rather than, I'm too old for that now, or it's not my legs are too short for that now, or whatever it is, right?

Brad Crowell 17:48  

Yeah, it's, I mean, with Tami, she's, she's seen it all, she's seen it all, right? And I think that, especially in Los Angeles, where she came from, was career, her career in acting like, that's like, literally, everyone's comparing themselves to everyone. Oh, my God, right. And so it's so intense. 

Lesley Logan 18:08  

And also, let me just like, because I had to do castings like, I'll just say they just like compare themselves to everyone. So when Tami is an actress, like, there might be one role for black women, right? But then also, just in general, when I went to a was asked to go to a casting for commercial. They're like, we want redheads hipsters. So you are you're in a line, yeah, and it's like, everyone's redhead and everyone's wearing flannel. So you, you, it's so easy to start comparing yourself to everyone else like you, because you're like, Oh, we're all here because they wanted a redhead who can wear a flannel. Like, we're all here for that, you know? So it's it. I get that, like life is easy to do that, especially in certain situations, but it actually just keeps you from experiencing, like what you can in this world. It really holds you back.

Brad Crowell 18:56  

Yeah, the I mean, the one thing, that, one thing that I really dug was she was talking about climbing the mountain. You like, you have to climb that mountain. Everyone has to climb the mountain. And as you like, what in order for you to see the bigger picture, you know, it often just takes learned experience, like lived experience. And she was talking about, you know, lifting to view to see everything when you climb, then you can enjoy that view. You do a little dance, and then you're going to climb a little higher, and you're going to see a whole new view, right? Because you're going to, you're just going to see the world as a different way as you're going along each time you climb and hold that level for just the moment, you see a little bit more. You see more possibilities, right? So you go after those new possibilities, and then you see things from a whole nother perspective, all again, you know, because we're, we're living and growing and changing and climbing, you know, and I love that I was thinking about my own life when she was telling that story. And, I mean, you know, it's just like the the wisdom of having lived a long life, the experience that you have, you know, I laugh at myself because of, you know who I was and how I thought 20 years ago, even 10 years ago, even five years ago, you know, it I see things differently now, you know, and I actually think, you know, it's amazing, because where I like, I think this is where I'm always amazed by people who are, you know, in that 20s and 30s younger than me. I mean, not necessarily, whatever age doesn't matter, but who are younger than me, but have that bigger view than I do, even, and that's amazing to see. Like, it's those are the kinds of people who attract other people to them, because their vision is huge, you know. 

Lesley Logan 20:49  

Yeah, yeah, I agree. We also, she mentioned one other thing, like, she was talking about just like, the settings for experiences that you're going through, like, sometimes you're, like, in a group class and like, that's a different style than if you are getting a one-on-one. And she'll say, like, sometimes it just, like, the things you want just require someone, like, someone's eyes on what you want, like a one-on-one experience, so they can be tailored to you. And I think that that's such an important thing. Like, whether it's your Pilates practice or it's your business. Like, you know, I think it's, there's the there's so much free information out there. Like, of course you can, if with the right question, with the right question, you can probably find the right answer. But sometimes you just need someone to, like, look at it from an outside perspective and go, actually, like, yes, you could do that. But what if you do it this way and just have that helping hand? That's what she does for her clients when she goes to their homes. And that's what she does with teachers who are wanting to go into teachers homes. Like she can bring that perspective that's just more tailored.

Brad Crowell 21:49  

Yeah, bringing, like, bringing it back to what you were talking about before. You mean, yeah, like, you know when you're measuring yourself against you sometimes, you're having a one-on-one or having a coach, you know that that truly changed our business was, was lifting the hood and letting somebody help us analyze it and be like, why did you make this decision and then this one seemed like, this was a great decision. Can you do that decision again? And we're like, oh, why didn't we think of that obvious freaking thing? Good idea.

Lesley Logan 22:19  

Yes, I do remember. I do. I actually know exactly which conversation you were talking about.

Brad Crowell 22:24  

You know, it changed our business. You know, like, hilarious. 

Lesley Logan 22:27  

It changed our lives. 

Brad Crowell 22:28  

It changed our lives. Yeah, so, so having that one on one, you know, in your Pilates practice can also be just as revelatory, you know, just a third party perspective. So I love that. All great points for Tami. 

Brad Crowell 22:39  

Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into those Be It Action Items. 

Brad Crowell 22:44  

All right, let's talk about these Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Tami-Adrian George? She said, hey, you know what I like to do, I don't set alarms of take out the trash or go do the thing. She said she sets alarms that build her up. And so she suggested that we all do that instead of wake up or walk the dog. Change that label to you're doing amazing. Let's go. Or even on tough travel days, she reframes it, woohoo. Today's a travel day. Let's do this, right? We love that. I think that's brilliant.

Lesley Logan 23:20  

I love this. It's because I just saw something on the internet was like, hey, like, change your like, your folders on your phone to like affirmations. And so, like, I did, and I'm like, trying to figure out how to get all of my apps into different folders so I can just look at the affirmations. Like, that's all I want. I'm like, what, what app is this? Is it I am connected, or is it I am seen? Like, I don't know.

Brad Crowell 23:41  

Well, the the alarms, if you're not familiar with this, I know on an iPhone, at least, you can actually set a message with the alarm, and that's what she's talking about. So your alarm can certainly just be standard, boring old, beep, beep, beep, whatever. Or you can have it do that and show you a message, because the alarm can be, quote-unquote, for a thing. So, you can set a reminder and inside of the alarm. So if you have never explored that, it's just, all you have to do is click the add a text button. 

Brad Crowell 23:40  

I think it's worth trying right now. Just do it for tomorrow morning.

Brad Crowell 24:11  

Yeah, and you can, you can check that out. So, you know, set yourself a positive alarm. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 24:17  

Okay, so I'm really, my biggest takeaway is that I'm really proud and excited to share like, Tami has been working so hard. And like, we've been able to watch it from this, like, the sidelines and cheer her on, and, like, help her in amazing ways. And she has an incredible eight week program called Have Skills, Will Travel. 

Brad Crowell 24:34  

Have Skills, Will Travel.

Lesley Logan 24:35  

And she, it's a program, it's like you already you have a lot of what you need to have a mobile business, but she helps you put it in the right organization, so that it's you're not just driving around town like a maniac trying to, like service everyone, but the business works for you. And so.

Brad Crowell 24:52  

I mean, it's not just that, it's also like, a lot of practical tips and lit, like learned experience that we're talking about.

Lesley Logan 24:58  

Profitable. Not just profitability, but safety and sustainability so you don't burn out. 

Brad Crowell 25:03  

Yeah, and she she does, like her program I was talking with her about, like her one-on-one coaching, and when she actually works with clients, she becomes their accountability buddy. So this eight-week program that we're excited to be able to host.

Lesley Logan 25:17  

Yeah, we're gonna host it on Profitable Pilates. 

Brad Crowell 25:20  

Yes, it's going to be great, because it's going to be four live calls, virtual calls, where so every other week during the eight week program, and she's going to give you some homework to go do, and you're going to be able to wrap your mind around this business model and to really see, is this something that is for me? Is this something I want to do? And if so, you're going to be able to walk away with, like, a pretty good road map for getting started. And then if, as you're pulling, you know, like going out there to do it, you need more, you know, you can still connect with Tami outside of that afterwards. So, yeah, come, come join us. In order for you to find more information about this, go to prfit.biz/events. So, prfit.biz/events that'll put you on our waitlist for our live events that we're doing for Profitable Pilates prfit.biz/ 

Lesley Logan 26:08  

Yeah, so even if Pilates or other fitness instructors who are wanting to do more in home, so instead of having your own space, you use their space, this is for you. And if you're even just curious about it, like it's it's going to be affordable and worthwhile. So that you don't you can go full in knowing you love this, or going, whoop, I'm so out on that. Like Tami, I think we joked about this episode, like, I am not an in-home Pilates teacher. It is not I want you to come to me, but like she's so good at it, you know? So anyways, I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 26:39  

And I'm Brad Crowell. Thank you so much for joining us today. How are you going to use these tips in your life?

Lesley Logan 26:46  

Better tag us. Better send us to a friend who needs it. Send us to your Pilates teacher friend who needs it. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 26:53  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 26:55  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 27:37  

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Brad Crowell 27:47  

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Tami-Adrian George is a multi-talented mobile Pilates instructor, rehabilitation specialist, and business coach, best known for her Have Skills, Will Travel method. She began her career as a competitive dancer and NFL cheerleader, even performing at a Super Bowl. Transitioning into acting and modeling, Tami appeared in Starship Troopers, General Hospital, and more than 50 national commercials. The demands of the entertainment industry led her to Pilates, which became a transformative and sustainable approach to health and well-being. Pilates provided her with the stability to make empowered choices and redefine her career path. Embracing the freedom of mobile teaching, Tami built a thriving practice serving high-profile clients in private settings. Through her signature method, she now coaches service professionals to grow premium mobile businesses without the overhead of a studio—helping them create lives of flexibility, connection, and success.

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Episode Transcript:

Tami-Adrian George 0:00  

We all have blocks of what we think we cannot do. We all have limitations we're holding on to, and sometimes you just need that one on one, eyes on you to say, great where you are you're doing fantastic. Please, let's not measure you against the 19-year-old on the mat next to you. Let's measure you against you.

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:07  

Hi, Be It babe, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. So excited. We've been saying we're gonna have her on the pod, OPC teacher and truly expert in teaching your service in people's homes. Tami-Adrian George the one and only. Truly, truly, truly, so excited. She is here at the house filming for OPC, and we have exciting thing coming out with her. But I really wanted you to hear like, how your life can have so many chapters, and they all can layer upon themselves. I think sometimes we're so hard on ourselves about like, oh, I went over here, I took this detour, and I, what you're gonna hear in her story is like, how everything just layers upon itself, and how you can utilize these gifts that you have to do the thing that you want and it can fulfill you. You can be fulfilled, right? Instead of, like trying always to do the next thing. So here's Tami-Adrian George. I'm so excited that she's on the pod. Thank you so much for being here. 

Lesley Logan 1:55  

All right, Be It babe. Guess what? We are doing things differently today. Our guest is in the house. Our guest is Tami-Adrian George. She is like, the one and only, most fabulous, most amazing. Can't believe the lives this woman has lived. I have been, Brad and I have been so honored tonight. I don't know that Tami knows this, but we met Tami through Agency Mini, many, many years ago. Brad did a call with you, and he got off, he's like, I really want to help her. She is amazing. She is such a go-getter. We could do so much with her. And here we are, I don't know, five years later, four years later, at least, I think it's five, and you have done so much. So Tami, will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Tami-Adrian George 2:35  

Well, hey there, yes, it's me, Tami-Adrian George, and it's been quite the adventure. I came into Pilates quite by accident. This was something that was going to save my brain, because before that, I had been in high school, competitive dancer, competitive cheerleader, choreographing, competitive competitions for other teams. I danced at the Super Bowl, things like that. Then I get out of there, get into college. Decide, let's, let's act while we're in the middle of college. Okay, let's do that. So I start modeling and acting. Almost miss my college graduation because I was working so much that I was never in town. I did the entire last year of university via fax. That's how old I am.

Lesley Logan 3:32  

Can you believe it that they did that? I'm impressed that they did that.

Tami-Adrian George 3:35  

My professors are really great. So by the time I got to the end, you know, they were willing to sit and talk with me and say, okay, why is it that you're never in class? Have you been to the movie theater lately? Then I realized this time that I was on different sets, especially photo shoots in particular. But any set, there is this weird dichotomy that goes on where they want you to fit into the wardrobe, but they have this thing called the craft service table, which is a giant table laden with every food you could ever want that will knock you on your butt with fatigue and sleep, will make you bloat instantly, and you're not allowed to eat any of it.  

Lesley Logan 4:20  

Right. But it's there. It's there. They fed you. They gave you the opportunity to eat, but they really you're not supposed to do it. 

Tami-Adrian George 4:29  

And I was around people with some really terrible eating habits, some really disturbing and dangerous habits, and I realized I need to figure out something to do that I can do while I'm traveling. There's not always a gym available. I can't always go for a run. Sometimes I'm in a country or a state that I've never been in before by myself, and I can't just go for an hour run. And I stumbled into Pilates, and the instructor that I was working with this wonderful woman named Jacqueline Potter said I really think you need to become an instructor. And I'm thinking, My life is so full I don't have time. But I went ahead and kept doing it. Started, oh, this is kind of cool. Oh, I could do this. I could do that. And I realized that by becoming an instructor, I got to learn more, and I got to do more. And it was, it was always the thing that kept me grounded. So no matter what set I was on, no matter where I was traveling in the world, I always had Pilates. I always had a stable of clients at places that I was teaching around town, private sessions that I was doing in people's homes. And it gave me the freedom to turn down jobs. I didn't want to do a lot of nudity. I didn't want to do a lot of sex scenes. There were things that I just knew weren't right for me at the time. This is, you know, the 90s, early 2000s every person of color was stripper, sex worker, girlfriend of drug dealer, dead.

Lesley Logan 5:57  

You'd be dead girl number two.

Tami-Adrian George 6:00  

Yeah, that's what happened. You get this, this great character, and you do all this character development, but you're really still secondary. And I was fighting for every part, because it wasn't like it is now. And there came a point once I got married and once I had a son and actually killed my husband in a movie. That's how we met. My husband had some serious health issues going on, and I realized I wasn't getting the joy from acting that I was getting from Pilates, from my clients, from helping them get to their goals. When an audition would come through, or sometimes even a booking would come through, I would get this tightness in my chest, like I don't want to do this job. I just got this particular person through a hip replacement. We're not done yet, and you want me to go sit in hair and makeup for three hours. Are you kidding? So eventually the pandemic hit. And I think that's how I found you and Brad, the Agency is, I'm home by with my husband and my child, but I'm alone, and I need connection. 

Lesley Logan 7:10  

Yeah, yeah. We all find ourselves in a place where it's kind of like, not a fork in the road, but just like I can't keep going the way it's going, and I've gone as far as I can go on my own, and I need help, and I just so, you know, know, like, I go every few years. I'm like, okay, I've gone as far as I can with the knowledge that I have. Changes have to be made, shifts, and it's interesting. Thank you for taking us on the journey. Of like, the pendulum swinging. Of like, first Pilates was there to support you. Then Pilates became something that you did in between jobs, then it became like, oh, actually, I'm enjoying this more. And how, how interesting that you're so connected to yourself because of who of all the work you did, that you could feel like, oh, I'm not getting excited about a booking. Like I should be excited about a booking.

Tami-Adrian George 7:54  

Exactly. And I left out the years that I worked at an urgent care that also had a family practice and a workers comp suite attached to the medical complex, and I was always hanging out in the physical therapy workers comp area, looking to see what they were doing. What are you doing now? Why are you doing that? And to see that oh my gosh. Pilates is physical therapy. It all comes full circle. The exercises that they're teaching are some of the things that I'm learning over here. I don't know about the rest of the country, but I can say in California, physical therapists are not allowed to work on a part of your body that is not in your doctor's prescription. 

Lesley Logan 8:40  

That's definitely in the States, yes. 

Tami-Adrian George 8:42  

Period. But the body heals as a unit. The body compensated for your injury, your surgery, whatever you were going through as a whole. So that's why, even though you got your knee replaced on the left, your right shoulder is killing you, because we're doing these things to balance through the body when we're in pain. So it was interesting for me to see these amazing physical therapists whose hands were tied, and now they were starting to reach out to Pilates instructors and say, I'm doing this with my patient. Can you supplement them and get them back to whole. So that's a whole nother part of you know what you're doing in your life starts to come in every, you're doing everything for a reason. You don't know what it is, yet. 

Lesley Logan 9:33  

I love this. I actually do. I, you're kind of on the same mindset as I just been hearing that, like, I think it's really easy for us to go, oh my God, I wish I'd known this then, or I wish I'd done this now. Or I wish, I feel like I wasted my time there. And it's like, actually, y'all, if you just take a look at your whole resume, not just the resume you put out for the job that you want, where you like, you know, let's move with this thing, and let's adjust this thing. But if you look at your whole resume, everything you've done has assisted in getting you to where you are and what you liked about those things, there's commonalities that you can like, you can actually borrow from to help you figure out, like, what, where do you want to go? Because, as Pilates instructors, you and I have had very different careers. You know, I did have some in-person clients. It did not fill my cup, it did not fill my joy. But it feels yours like, it's like, literally, the thing that you do. And I think, like, had I not ever done in person, I couldn't actually help people who are like, oh my gosh, go teach in someone's house. I'm like, okay, hold on. Hold on. Because I had to go into someone's house where I definitely it was at the top of, like, it was in L.A., it's like, the top of Hillcrest, the last house on the top of Hillcrest. You guys, I'm driving my Mini Cooper, and I'm going there. And the security is like, okay, you can come in here. You can go here. You know, the ambassador will meet you in here. And I'm like, what is he the ambassador of? And no one would give me his name. And then, like, damn it. Then one day, the sheriff, literal, the sheriff, was just sitting there watching me teach him. And I'm like, I'm sorry, this isn't a viewing show. You can work out too. Like you're just gonna work out because I'm not gonna be watched by the sheriff. And then the mayor, the fucking mayor, shows up. You guys also, they were not exactly the cleanest sheriff or the cleanest mayor. So I'm like, now, like, who is this guy? I'm always getting paid in cash. And then I was like, one day, I was like, leaving. I was like, there's always a car inside this house. It's always watching this house. I'm gonna be questioned. I'm gonna be interrogated. I was like, I can no longer teach in person. I was like, I just thought myself them going, you, you know information, you're gonna be like, microphoned or something. And all I could hear is this man, belp and fart. But, like, you know, anyways. But I think, like, it was never a waste of my time, because it really allowed me to go hold on, like, let me understand that part of the business, so that when you came in to Agency, we could really see, like, what a gold mine and what a great thing you had going, and how you could elevate that.

Tami-Adrian George 11:55  

I started, like, all Pilates instructors start, right? You have to do the observation hours, and you have to do the practice hours, and then you have to do some apprenticeship. So I feel like I've been in all of the parts except for actual studio owner. I have managed, I have supervised, I've trained other instructors. I've been the employee, I've been the independent contractor, I've been the person who rents studio space. I've been in all of the situations, and it's so funny what you're saying about you know, these people, I have a file, not a digital file, an actual file folder filled with NDAs, of things I have had to sign for, the various people I have worked with over the last 34 years. I always used to think, well, okay, I have to tell somebody where I'm at, because if I disappear, no one will know.

Lesley Logan 12:53  

Yes, yes, yes. Thank God for location services on the phones now, because now that's a thing, but that wasn't a thing when I was teaching at home. So it's like, okay, you couldn't even, there wasn't even a signal up there, so I couldn't call for help if I wanted to, yeah. 

Tami-Adrian George 13:11  

Totally. 

Lesley Logan 13:12  

Well, okay, so Tami, I mean, Tami-Adrian, we know you as an OPC teacher, and we know you have, like, what's been really cool in watching you the last five years is that you have been really not just solidifying your business, but, like, truly enjoying the business that you've created. I think that that's really unique. A lot of teachers keep thinking that, oh, I've reached this peak. Now I gotta find another goal. I gotta find I gotta find another goal. Can you tell us, like, a little bit about what you do as a day to day gig, and then also, like, how you came to go, wow, I really, like, this is really for me, because I think a lot of people listening, even if they're not a Pilates instructor, can actually learn from like, oh, what maybe are the signs or the the qualities or the feelings that make me go, oh, I'm actually fulfilled. 

Tami-Adrian George 13:56  

Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, so my let's start with the day-to-day, and then I want to tell you about like working with you and Brad and how that helped me come into just a completely different feeling about what I was doing. So a typical day to day for me is I will start the morning with my virtual private clients, some of whom are back east, so the timing works out perfectly for me. So once I finish those sessions, then I pack up the lunch bag. It literally looks like I'm going on a picnic. You're with me. You and Brad are with me. You know, I eat every five minutes. I take little, tiny bites. I'm like a tiny bison. I graze all morning long, and I start heading out for the day to which client is on the roster for that day. And we have different things we might be working on. So sometimes I might have my golfers, my pickleball players, who have very particular goals. There are things that we are trying to do. So I have been trained in both classical and contemporary Pilates, because I need to be able to spin on a dime to what someone is telling me at that moment. And I'm very big on what is your ultimate goal? If your ultimate goal is I'm going to my sister's wedding. I want to look great. I'm not the person for you, and I will find you an amazing person who will make that happen for you. I'm the person who when you say, I need to get my handicap down, I need to be able to play a full 18 holes without my back hurting, and I'm going on a golf trip where I'm going to play five days in a row. Oh, now I have a vision. Let's do this. Let's go. Then I make sure I have breaks throughout the day. I'm very particular about where I'm teaching, the distance I'm teaching, because it can't be be bopping all over town all day. And there are times that I book into my day so that I can go for a walk. I teach in really beautiful parts of the Los Angeles Westside beach communities. So there's time to go for a walk, there's time to get my own workout in, there's time to sit down and eat real food, and I'm usually done by a fairly early part of the day. I don't actually work that many hours a week. And then maybe there's a beach walk with my husband or my son's in universities, so there's a phone call or FaceTime with him, and then there's my time where, what's the thing that fills me today? Do I want to do a meditation? It turns out I'm not the morning meditation person. I, it's not my jam at all. 

Lesley Logan 16:33  

To me, the morning is like, okay, the morning has started, and I want to start with it. I am. I find I have it better at the afternoon going, okay, well, I don't actually want to do anything, so I'm gonna procrastinate with meditation.

Tami-Adrian George 16:42  

Exactly and then two hours have passed. Yes, I have reached all the masters in the universe, but now I don't want to do anything and, and I believe very strongly that your great day starts the night before. So there's always a part of my afternoon and evening where I am prepping for the next day. Either it's the food I'm preparing or it's looking over who's on the schedule for the next day and where are we in progressing them to their goal. So I'm thinking ahead of what exercises I want to do, things like that. And then I also coach, so I have other instructors, and also people who aren't Pilates instructors, massage therapists, you know, anything you have that is a service that helps someone can be mobile. And I might be on a coaching call, speaking with someone about where they're at in their business and helping them get to their call. 

Lesley Logan 17:38  

Yeah. So because can you, since you have done everything but own a studio, I've done similar, I've done all of it but work at a franchise. So like, I, can you talk about, like, how did you decide, or know that, like, going into homes actually is how you wanted to teach, versus, like, having people come to you because we sit on opposite sides. I'm like, you can come to me. You know, but like, you're like, no, I liked, I can go here and I go, is it just the beach walk? Like, what made it so that you really like to go into people's homes?

Tami-Adrian George 18:10  

So the first studio I ever taught at, Pilates Studio Pasadena, doesn't exist anymore because the parent company went bankrupt. And what we didn't know was it was a, it was like a a compound of fitness. There was a private workout place here, and a this, and a that, and a yoga student, all these things that were in Old Town, Pasadena, right where the Rose Bowl comes down the street, not the Rose Bowl, the Rose Parade comes down the street. What we didn't know was that the Pilates Studio was who was making money, and we were covering the payroll for all of the other workout facilities, and sometimes our checks would bounce. And one day, we found out doors are closed, we are done, but we all had keys, so I know that the statute of limitations have passed until we find talking about it. So who got together? We unlocked the studio at night, we unloaded all of the Pilates equipment, put it on the trucks and drove it to someone who had just bought a home they didn't have any furniture yet. And we put it like, okay, the dining room has all the Wunda Chairs, and the living room is going to have the Cadi and a couple of Reformers, and the back patio put this, and there was literally something like a click, oh, I'm in a house. I'm in a house doing Pilates. Now I'm doing it with five other instructors, and we worked for free, because right before that company went out of business, we were selling packages.

Lesley Logan 19:46  

Right. So all these people had paid. 

Tami-Adrian George 19:47  

We'd had a big drive and all these people had just bought packages, and then the door shut, and we didn't know that that big drive was their way of getting cash to cover the businesses. They knew they were gonna go bankrupt. They just didn't tell us. So then I had to work for free to train out all of those packages that I had personally sold, because now my reputation was on the line. And as we got into studios and got the people would always say, can you come? Could you come to my house? Could you do this at my house? Could you do this? And it started with one person, and then another and another. And I realized there is a connection that you get to make in that private in-home setting, people will tell me things that they will never tell me in the studio, because there are other people in the studio, or if I was teaching a large group class, even a small, let's say, a foursome or a trio, there's no time to talk. We are here because the entire group is trying to move. So I didn't always get to understand their history, their surgeries, their injuries, whatever it was they were working towards, and also, too, their blocks. We all have blocks of what we think we cannot do. We all have limitations we're holding onto, and sometimes you just need that one on one, eyes on you to say, great, where you are you're doing fantastic. Please. Let's not measure you against the 19-year-old on the mat next to you. Let's measure you against you.

Lesley Logan 21:22  

Yes, oh, I do love that. I mean, I agree. Like people are a little more comfortable in their homes. You can also then and actually see like their setups. And you go, okay, so you said it was the Pilates last week that hurt your back. But do you see like this slope that you, you know, or like, can I look at this chair that you're sitting on at your desk? Like, that's not helpful, you know what I mean. So you do get more insight, but also they do have a bit more focus, because they're not distracted by the person and the other performer who's talking too loudly or who's doing crazy things, and they think they should be doing crazy things. It is more it's more personalized in that way as well. I love that. That's so cool. What a funny way of getting into like, knowing, like, oh, I could teach at a house. And then, because you had kept up with those sessions, that they're like, oh, can you teach me at my home? Because now they're seeing, Oh, I'm in a home. I could do this at my home. 

Tami-Adrian George 22:12  

Yeah, they're like, wait, you can fit a Reformer here/ Yes, absolutely. You can fit a Reformer here. And you know what? You don't even need the reformer. Honestly, everything we're doing on the Reformer, I'm telling you, if I put you on the mat, you're going to shake like a leaf in the wind. You do not know how hard it is once we got to that point, too, of sharing that. And here's the other thing I find that is really interesting. Yes, the personalized attention. There is nothing like it. But the biggest problem I solve for my clients is time and convenience, there are certain people I tend to have CEOs, chairman of the boards and their families. For them to spend an hour in traffic trying to get to a studio, then circle around looking for parking, then finally do their workout and have to repeat the drive back home. It's hours of their time that they just do not have available. 

Lesley Logan 23:07  

Well, they're not, then they can't be consistent, because then they're only can do it on a good week and and then they're frustrated because they yeah, all of those things. So like people, like them, they they're gonna have to pay for that time and convenient miss of you coming to their home, but now they can be consistent.

Tami-Adrian George 23:22  

Exactly. And, really, that's the secret, isn't it? That's the secret sauce. If you want to get results in what you're doing, it's the consistency.

Lesley Logan 23:30  

Yeah, yeah. I, you know, it made me think, like, as you were talking, when I, I always thought you had to have a big studio. Probably, it's very similar to you, like you work about I have the first show I ever worked at was a big studio. The first time I went to a Pilates studio with equipment, had multiple Reformers and all the things. And so I just thought, Oh, you have to have all of that, and all the in L.A., all the famous teachers were famous studios all had multiple of everything. And I'm like, I'll never own a studio because I have student loans. I have all this. I need all these things. And it was when I had put myself in a group of people, the community that I saw, one of my friends had made a private space for herself where there was just one of everything. I was like, oh, I could have, I could have a private studio. I could have, like, just, I could just teach the private because I only teach privates in a couple semi-private so, like, I could just do this. So I think it's really important for anyone, no matter who you are, listening like, it's important that we are inspired by other people sometimes, because we get blinders on of like, this is my experience. This is the only way that works. This is a way I've seen that work. So I have to do it this way. And when we're exposed to other environments or other ways of people doing it, then we can go, oh, I'm not gonna do it just like her, but I could do it like this, or I could do it like that, right? Like we, we kind of need that. We need that in the community that we're in.

Tami-Adrian George 24:48  

Exactly. I love what you're saying. It's making me think of the the other thing I wanted to mention when I started working with you and Brad, I didn't realize that what I was doing had a system. It was just what I was doing, because nobody else was really doing it in this manner, and to then have support of someone saying, no, what you're doing is actually a thing.

Tami-Adrian George 25:11  

Yeah. It's a thing that you're doing. 

Tami-Adrian George 25:14  

You're doing a thing, and there seems to be a way that you're doing the thing, and we're going to help you do the thing better, and we're going to teach you how to structure it so that it's repeatable, and that you can take pressure off of yourself and that you can have support, and that we're here when you need us. And you know, there was a guy who used to always say, you're trying to have the panoramic view, but you're at the foothill of the mountain, so you have to climb a little and then you'll see a little more. And then you enjoy the view. You celebrate the view, do a little dance, and now climb higher. And each time that you climb and hold at that level for just a moment, just to enjoy it. You see more you see more possibilities. And eventually you start having a wider view, and you start seeing, oh my gosh, I can do this with that. During the pandemic, talking about that time, one of my favorite, favorite people to work with, had a stroke. So, I can't get to him. We've rehabbed him virtually because, oh, this online thing really works. And it was a little bit of convincing me and convincing him, but, guess what? He was back out there playing golf, doing all the things, no problem. You know, the deficits were seriously down. Yeah. And I needed that view. I needed that lift to view, lift to view, repeat.

Lesley Logan 26:55  

Well, and what I'm hearing you're saying is, like, we all need someone to go, oh, you're doing a really great job here. And if we do this now you've got a system, and now it's repeatable, and you're not wasting your time, or you also even need to see like from other people's perspective. Oh, what they're doing. Oh, I love that for them. And then that also helps you solidify like you like what you're doing. Like, we all need it wherever we are, because we can get so closed off, and then we, running a business is hard. The business is hard. I've said this a few times now, like, and I will keep repeating it because it it really blessed my heart, like when someone in our Agency asked the Pocket Lesley, which is like a bot of me train 10 million of my words, you know, 10 years of coaching.

Tami-Adrian George 27:36  

I love Pocket Lesley, because she's my size.

Lesley Logan 27:40  

She's, she's like, have you ever had an obstacle in your business? And it's like, yeah, daily.

Tami-Adrian George 27:46  

Like, you mean this last hour? 

Lesley Logan 27:47  

Yeah, daily. And so when you have someone to go, oh my God, what you're doing here is really amazing. It helps you go, oh, okay, it is, it is amazing. I just am having a hard time right now. I'm, I'm at the foothills, and I can't get to the panoramic view, where other people are right now, and so, you know, we at agency are so excited, because we have helped thousands of businesses in this industry run things the way that they want to. And one of the things we've celebrated along the way is like, each year that we've known you, we've watched you run your business so it supports you and your family. And I think that's what's so cool, because it's not just because you go into people's homes that your business supports your families, because you are intentional about what your goals are and how your business need to support that, and then we could support you in doing that, and year after year. And now here you are, only in five years you put systems together, you have a very thriving business, and like you mentioned, now you get to coach other service people, to have a business that does it the way that you do it. 

Tami-Adrian George 28:45  

Absolutely. 

Lesley Logan 28:46  

That hat, like, you know, can we talk about the be it till you see it for that like, what would, what were the what was there was there mental hurdles you had to do? Was it just like, because, because I was so excited, when you're like, I'm doing this. I'm like, yeah, you should. 

Tami-Adrian George 29:01  

The hurdles were, oh my God, the hurdles were real. Remember, you should do the videos, The Struggle is Real? Oh, the hurdles are real. It's, it's, you were talking about being in the tunnel. We're working so hard towards something that we believe is the only thing. And I don't, actually, I don't think I have anyone right now who is exclusively mobile teaching. They are either business owners, they own a gym, they own a studio, they are also teaching like community classes, say, at the Y or at a gym someplace, or they're renting studio space, and now they're adding mobile training as an extension, as another service, I mean, and that's the thing, I think, for people to understand, you're providing a service. You're not just teaching a class. You are a service provider. So you can provide as many services as your heart dreams up. Let's make that happen for you. And there's a gentleman that I'm working with right now, and he had become almost exclusively online in big, big, big classes, and he hadn't had the one-on-one connection with his students in a long time, because everything was far away. And when I say online, not live, I mean, pre-recorded classes. And he was so burnt, so burnt out. I don't like this. I don't want to record any more classes. I don't want to walk into a room of 30 people anymore. And I said, you know, you're the reason it's not in your heart is because your heart is not reaching anyone. So we took starting one day, one day of your schedule. We're gonna make this your mobile training day. This is your I'm out in the field, and we're gonna start letting people know. Just pick amongst your favorites. We're gonna start letting people know you're available. He's now having to hire another trainer because he has this established brand. But now people are like, oh, you can come to me, too? And you have a kind of a signature thing that you do, and you can do it in my home with me? Let's do this. So it's how you would like your business to be. It's not give up your studio, give up your gym. Never book massages at the hotels ever again. It's how can we incorporate this into what you're doing so that you can expand. You also get to charge more, just saying.

Lesley Logan 31:31  

I was gonna ask you, the number, the number one thing that we see people do wrong when they go into people's homes is discount the price. Yeah, you are, yeah. And if you're, like, how do I know what to charge? Well, guess we'll have, stay tuned. We have, we have help for you there. But like, yeah, you it's convenient for them. It is not necessarily convenient for you, for so many reasons, because booking back-to-back doesn't exist. Like in my studio, in my home, like, people can come every hour on the hour, and I can fit four people in four hours and be done, right? You do not fit four people in four hours, you know? So that is so when you are working with people in their home, you have to charge. There is a higher cost to that, because they are paying for convenience, just like when I order food to be delivered, it is more expensive than when I order it at the restaurant.

Tami-Adrian George 32:23  

It's a premium it's a premium service and you are bringing your knowledge to someone. So yes, now the premium is even higher because you actually know what you're doing. Of course, anybody can take, my gosh, I call them the Pinterest workout plan.

Lesley Logan 32:42  

Oh, okay, I call them Instagram workout plans. But yes, anyone can do that. 

Tami-Adrian George 32:46  

They start culling and culling exercises from all these different places, and they put them together, and then they wonder why they're not getting the results, or now they've injured themselves, or they're burnt out and they don't want to do it. And there's a reason for that. People, it's like New Year's resolutions, any promise you make to yourself that is a promise broken. 

Lesley Logan 33:07  

Yeah, because you need the accountability of someone else, and you also need their guidance. You know, we all need it. I mean, I say I pay a Pilates instructor to teach me. I can teach myself, and I do multiple days a week, and two days a week, I'm held accountable to a full hour with someone watching me to give me feedback, because left to my own devices. I'm going to check my oh, I'm going to change this podcast. Oh, look at that full hour outside. We all need it, right? We all need it. We all we're laughing because we all need it. Even coaches like you and I have coaches for things that we do, because we all kind of need this. And there is an investment there. And yes, it does mean, like, some things can be inaccessible to people, but also for every single one of you listening, no matter what your business is, you're not you cannot solve the world's problems. You can solve a problem for someone that feels like it's their whole world. You can do that, but you gotta, like, really dial it in. And I think, like, what you do so well, Tami, is there is a slice of of the pie that of people who would prefer to be convenient for them so they can be consistent and and you can, if you're a teacher, a massage therapist, whatever, you could be the person who does that. That's your expertise. So Tami, we're super, super excited. We're gonna let the cat out of the bag a little bit of what we're doing here. So, so we, at Profitable Pilates, truly love being able to help teachers of any background, true like run a business that works for them. Like we do not do templates. We have a formula. I should say we have two. We have a scheduling formula, and we have a pricing formula, but all of those require your goals to go into the top for it to filter through, so there is not a single and even if the price answer is the same as someone else's, like, what went through and all the different ways you get there is very, very different. So we're super excited, because you do what you do so well, and the world is missing an expert like you. So tell everyone what we what we've got going on, we've got planned. 

Tami-Adrian George 34:58  

So, I have a method called the have skills will travel method, yes, because really, that's what you need to be a mobile instructor, the skill set you already have and some gas in your car. Let's go. In between those two things are a whole list of things you need to know and need to be doing to make sure that it is indeed profitable and that you are safe, and that you are happy and your client is happy. So I'm taking my one-on-one three-month coaching program, and we are creating a special group coaching program that is just for Profitable Pilates, just for, well, we'll have Agency members there too, and it will live in the Profitable Pilates universe, so excited, and we're going to do this as an eight-week program.

Lesley Logan 35:57  

Oh, I love this, because it's any we all have eight weeks we can dedicate to doing a dream. We all have it because every dream takes a long time. Anyways, eight weeks is like a fraction. 

Tami-Adrian George 36:04  

And it doesn't matter where you're starting from, wherever you are in your business and thinking about doing this, or you're already doing this. It works where you're at, jump in, where you're at.

Lesley Logan 36:18  

Yeah, and I just want to say, like, if you're like, you're like, oh my gosh, you guys, I can just make sure I charge more, and I can just go, yes, you could. And then you get to learn a lot of weird things the hard way. I'm sure Tami was like, oh my God, Lesley, you went into some random house on the top of Hillcrest. My heart. 

Tami-Adrian George 36:34  

As soon as you were telling me that. And I was like, oh my God, Did you have a safety buddy?

Lesley Logan 36:41  

People knew where I was going. And I did tell the ambassador's team. Okay, my people know where I'm going. I mean, to hear, however I will say, like I did listen to, like, murder in the Hollywood Hills, the dateline, and I was like, oh my God, that is like, I can't believe that doesn't happen more often, because, like, so many women are offered, oh, there's a modeling gig and at the top of this house, because everything happens and people so anyways, there are so many different things, not just safety, but also not just pricing, that you have to be thinking about and when it comes to doing this. So that one, it still works for you. And two, everyone wins. The clients win, but your business wins because you are allowed to be successful in your business and achieve wins for other people. So if you are someone in the service based business, or a Pilates instructor who's interested in seeing how this service can be added to your business, you might even decide you don't want to do it afterwards. And that's fine too, because now you solve that without having to sell a package and then go fulfill it. So, so you can go to Profitable Pilates website. We have P it's prfit.biz/events and you can get on the wait list for this. But we're going to take a brief break and then find out Tami-Adrian's Be It Action Items. And also, where else you can, just like, kind of stalk her in a good way. 

Tami-Adrian George 37:50  

Absolutely. 

Lesley Logan 37:50  

All right, Tami-Adrian, where do you hang out? Because you also do give out great advice, you know, for free on things that you hang out on.

Tami-Adrian George 38:04  

I hang out on Instagram. That is my jam. I am @Tami.Pilates.rehab and it's T-A-M-I and then you can also find me at T.A.G., my name, Tami-Adrian George, tagpilates.com head over to the website, links, move around, dance around in there and sign up on the waitlist. We're so excited to have this group together so that we can be learning and growing together.

Lesley Logan 38:33  

Yeah, I mean, it's going to be so, so amazing. And I just want to say, just like you could, if you need to, because I've been in a place where I've had to call free advice together, absolutely you can, but at some point, if all you've ever done is call, just pull it together and bounce around from free advice to free advice. I would say that investing in something like it's an eight-week program is so it's a risk-free type of environment, because it's you're not committing for longer than that. You know, at Agency, we do make people commit for six months, and the reason is, it's like, it does take time. But for this particular topic, you can, eight weeks, get your systems in place and really understand, like, is this the thing I want to do, and how do I do it right. So from the beginning, you don't have, like, oh, I'm undercharging that person. So now I've got to go back and tell them a new rate, even though I've been, you know, like we want to, we want to make sure it's, it's it's beneficial for everyone. So get on the waitlist, either on Tami's website or on prfit.biz/events. We'll get that taken care of. Tami, you are so wonderful. I mean, I'm so Brad and I just adore getting to spend time with you. We always learn new things. Your life is its own adventure. So I really hope, like, at some point you'll be a child author, which is like, The Adventures of Tami. You know what I mean? Like, I just feel like there's so many different things you could do, but can you give everyone some Be It Action Items, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps they can take to be it till they see it. 

Tami-Adrian George 39:50  

Okay, this is one of my favorite things. And before I say, have to say, I love you and Brad so much. It has been the best adventure I have been on with the two of you, and I'm so glad. I'm so glad we're still having more adventures together. It's just fantastic. Okay, everyone has their phone and you set alarms on your phone for things that you don't particularly want to do. I set alarms on my phone randomly throughout the day that pump me back up. So where it says label, instead of putting wake up, walk dog, things like that. I put, how are you so amazing? I put, congratulations. You are crushing it. How are you doing this? That's what's on my alarm system. Oh, my God. I'm obsessed.

Lesley Logan 40:37  

I'm changing all I'm gonna have alarms just for no reason whatsoever. I don't even like being disturbed, but I'm gonna be it myself disturbed.

Tami-Adrian George 40:44  

Now, if I have to set an alarm because I have to wake up early I'm catching a flight, something like that, I will say, woo-hoo you're traveling today. Let's go. That's what it says while the alarm is going off. So when it goes off on your phone, instead of, oh my God, I have to be up and get on the flight. I'm like, oh yeah, I'm traveling. Let's go. Oh my

Lesley Logan 41:05  

god, this is going to change my whole life, because I often wake up going, I don't know where I am and what day today is, but if my alarm didn't say wake up, it would say I could have it say something else, you know, like. 

Tami-Adrian George 41:14  

You are in Singapore, aren't you lucky?

Lesley Logan 41:20  

Go get that coffee, babe. Go get it. I, this is a wonderful, wonderful because, you know, there's so many different things you want to remind themselves up. And if you're unable to have Post-Its all over your house, it could be alarms. What a cool way to do it.

Tami-Adrian George 41:35  

Because the reminders, if I set a reminder on my phone, I don't do it. Yeah, I don't. No.

Lesley Logan 41:41  

No, it's in my work or it doesn't get done. I don't need an alarm going. It's time to do this. Be like, ignore. Yeah, oh, I love, Tami, I love that. That's so everyone can do that right now. Okay, we ought screenshots of the alarm going off. We want them to send it to tami.pilates.rehab. We want you to send it to the Be It Pod. We want you to share this with a friend who needs to hear it. Maybe, if you are not a Pilates instructor who wants to go in-home, but you know someone who does, they need to hear this. Because, here is the deal, when your friends complain about how their life sucks, you have to listen. And you know those people, they repeat it. And what if? What if you could, you could change that. So then you guys could talk about what's exciting. 

Tami-Adrian George 41:42  

I'll listen for you. Yeah, I'll listen to the complaints for you. 

Lesley Logan 42:03  

Tami will listen. That's why we have people who are, like, in Agency, they're like, oh, my friends are with this. I'm like, why are you helping them? Not that I don't want you to be a generous person, but you invested in this. So you can focus on you. If they are unwilling to invest in themselves, in their business, you can be a great friend. You can be a great friend. And so, oh, it sounds like you've been working on that for a long time. Have you thought about getting help? Like, that's still helpful, that's still listening, but y'all, we have all been trained that, oh, we're not a good friend if we don't just like, do every like, give all the advice, no, you have to at sometimes, focus on you and be like, I'm here for you. And here are some resources that have helped me. 

Tami-Adrian George 42:59  

I think you're being a better friend by saying, okay, you have to take action. I want you to take a step that is truly for you. I'm investing in me, and, God, I want to see you invest in you. Let's do that.

Lesley Logan 43:11  

Yeah. Oh, I love that. I love that. Obviously we could talk forever, because we do. We have so much fun. So, Tami-Adrian George, OPC teacher, incredible coach for in-service home, have skills, well-travel people and top, best of the game when it comes to helping people reach their goals and all that you do with your teaching. So thank you for being here. Everyone, how are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tell us and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 43:39  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 44:21  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 44:26  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 44:31  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 44:38  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 44:41  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

This FYF delivers a dose of inspiration with Javeno McLean’s new book, You Are Not Your Limits. Lesley shares wins from the community—celebrating self-love, new clients, and honoring loved ones. Plus, she reveals how hiring a trainer helped her prepare for her 8th tour with more energy and focus. Tune in to be reminded why investing in yourself is the ultimate win.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] .

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Celebrating wins that inspire self-love, growth, and honoring loved ones.
• How prioritizing yourself can transform the way you show up for others.
• Simple ways to create energy and focus during busy seasons.
• Why embracing mistakes leads to surprising breakthroughs.

Episode References/Links:

• Javeno McLean - https://www.instagram.com/reel/DI_ciUBId2L/
• Javeno McLean's Book: You Are Not Your Limits - https://a.co/d/c37Y7DB
• Ep. 205 Javeno McLean - https://beitpod.com/javenomclean
• Ep. 226 Ryan-Mae McAvoy - https://beitpod.com/ryanmae
• Submit your wins - https://beitpod.com/questions

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hi Be It babe, hello from tour, my eighth tour. Oh my God, hello. We're on the road. We've done a couple stops, and I'm just so excited to be coming to your ears. Obviously, I recorded this before I left, but I am super excited to share what my win is. And it's not just being on tour, I promise you, there's some actual applicable things that you can use. But first, on these FYF episodes, we do something inspirational that you might have missed on the internet. We just need to hear about and celebrate. We do a win of yours. We do a win of mine, and then an affirmation. 

Lesley Logan 1:14  

So first up, we've had Javeno McLean on the podcast before. So this post came up, and I was like, oh my God. What has he done? You guys, he has written a book. So his book officially released on the 15th of May. At the time that I was reading this, I could not pre-order on the U.S., but they are, they told me that they're working on it. We are going to have him back on the pod. But his book is called, You Are Not Your Limits. You Are Not Your Limits. So Javeno McLean, that is the inspiration. Because, first of all, if you're not following him, you will see some great inspirations. I promise you, I promise you. What he is doing to show people that they are not their limits, just makes me cry happy tears. And so you'll be inspired all of the, you'll be inspired all of the time with him. I promise you, I promise you. So his book is out. By the time you hear this, you should be able to go get it, hopefully in the States as well. I'm sure they're making that work. He's got an amazing team on his side. 

Lesley Logan 2:05  

All right, now, the wins of yours. Okay, so wins of yours. Let me pull these up, because these are wins you guys sent me on Instagram. So here we go, @jennvfitness, we made our last payment on our Ford Focus today. Way to, I mean, I remember when I made my last in my student loans, I was like, oh my God, I just did that. Longest I've ever had to commit to something. Ryan-Mae, my share is about leading with love, had amazing engagement interaction. Yes, let's all lead with love, Ryan-Mae. You guys, let Ryan-Mae has also been on the Be It Pod, so check her out. Ryan-Mae, McAvoy, @hli_pilates, got a new client for my auction donation. Way to go. And @lorilwatson77 I decided to post my final honor to my best friend Ivy, keeping her in my heart forever. That's good. That's so good. You know, that is so, so good. I think, like so hard to like, see grief as a win, but like when we do things that allow us to have a special place for them and then honor them with others, like that is a win. So thank you, Lori, for sharing that with us. Thank you so much. 

Lesley Logan 3:08  

All right, you guys a win of mine. By the way, you can send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions I know that doesn't make sense, because it's a win, not a question, but on the form, you can either put a question, or you put a win, or you could do both, and then we can celebrate you and send them on here. So, beitpod.com/questions. All right, my win. Okay, so the tour is off. It's doing great. Of course, we love it. We're on the eighth one, but the win is actually in that every time we do the tour, I find ways to make it even better, not just for the people who are attending, but for me to be the best version of me, so that I can make sure everyone has a good time. Like, I think this is really important. Like, I would say self-care isn't selfish care, but like, actually truly, like, you taking care of yourself means that you can be the best version of yourself for others, and so then they have a better experience in their day, right? So I like to make sure that I'm sleeping well, and I'm eating, fueling myself well, and then I my stomach doesn't hurt, and, like, my hormones are great, like all these different things. And so now that we've had seven tours, each tour gets better, and I'm able to go, oh, I like this. I don't like this. Oh, I like this. I don't like this. Well, it's not just about reflecting. We know that is a win, which we've done in the past. It's the implementation. So truly implementing what it is that I need. And so what I did is I hired a trainer so that my workouts at the gym can be efficient and support my needs. And so that's my win. And so I want to celebrate that with you, because I'm hoping you see that if you like, sign up for OPC, or you hire a trainer, you go to a studio, you have a gym membership like that is huge. An investment that you're doing is an actual win. It's not just a checklist on a to do list. Like, okay, did that? No, you invested in you. Things are gonna make you feel good. So I worked with my trainer for several months before I left, so we could really get to know each other, and then that way she can create workouts for me that don't take a long time, that helped me stay with my goals, stay strong. Have energy. I have more energy on the days I work out than the days I don't. And so that's what I did. That's my win. I invested in that for me so that I can be the best version of myself. So have the most fun on this tour, so that you can have a good time on it too. So there it is. 

Lesley Logan 5:12  

All right, now an affirmation. Make mistakes. Make mistakes. I, of course, make mistakes. I'm not so good at celebrating that. That's something I work on daily. So I celebrate those mistakes, and I try really, really hard not to be hard on myself. But maybe we can all take it as like I gotta make more mistakes. Because you wanna know something, mistakes are how people like, some of the best things in science came from a fricking mistake. I can't name off the top of my head, but I feel like mold is one of those things. So I just want to say, don't be so hard on yourself. Sometimes your mistakes actually turn into some really incredible things, and you are a truly amazing person. So send your wins in to beitpod.com/questions. I want to celebrate you and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 5:54  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 6:36  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 6:42  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 6:46  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 6:53  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 6:57  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Feeling worthy isn’t about waiting for permission—it’s about owning your story and making bold decisions. In this recap, Lesley and Brad revisit conversation with fine jewelry designer Margot McNaull, whose bespoke creations empower women to celebrate their milestones. Together, they explore redefining self-care, building unshakable confidence, and shifting your mindset to break free from old patterns. This episode will inspire you to create a life that feels as good as it looks.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected] mailto:[email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/#follow-subscribe-free.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Must-know tips for underwear and shake plate use in Pilates.
• The reason why women often struggle to buy fine jewelry for themselves.
• The connection between self-worth, spending guilt, and asking for what you deserve.
• How to navigate life’s “dark valleys” and see failure as a cue to keep going.
• Why revamping old jewelries can be a powerful reminder of your worth.

Episode References/Links:

• Agency Mini - https://prfit.biz/mini
• OPC Summer Tour - https://opc.me/tour
• OPC Summer Tour Calgary - Opc.me/Calgary
• UK Mullet Tour - https://opc.me/uk
• Cambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com
• EBY Seamless Underwear - https://shop.join-eby.com/collections/seamless-panties 
• Shake Plate Recommendation - https://a.co/d/2WPk3ee
• Submit your wins or questions - https://beitpod.com/questions
• Stór by Margot Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/storbymargot
• Stór by Margot Website - https://www.storbymargot.com 
• Margot McNaull's Website - https://www.margotmcnaull.com
• Ep. 319 Nikole Mitchell - https://beitpod.com/nikolemitchell
• Ep. 171 Johanna White - https://beitpod.com/johannawhite

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox. https://lovethepodcast.com/BITYSI

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Be in the know with all the workshops at OPC https://workshops.onlinepilatesclasses.com/lp-workshop-waitlist

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Be a part of Lesley’s Pilates Mentorship https://lesleylogan.co/elevate/

FREE Ditching Busy Webinar https://ditchingbusy.com/

Resources:

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq08HES7xLMvVa3Fy5DR8-g
• Lesley Logan website https://lesleylogan.co/
• Be It Till You See It Podcast https://lesleylogan.co/podcast/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan https://onlinepilatesclasses.com/
• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjogqXLnfyhS5VlU4rdzlnQ
• Profitable Pilates https://profitablepilates.com/about/

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

That's where worthiness comes in. Is like, what can you do? Do you need to sit down and write down all the things that you know throughout realize you're worthy of asking for that pay raise? What is it going to take? But you can't ask other people for why you're worthy. You have to sit down and do some digging on yourself. 

Lesley Logan 0:16  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:59  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the worthwhile convo I had with Margot McNaull in our last episode. I mean, also like glitter, like sparkle, like legacy, worthiness, worthwhile in our last episode, if you haven't yet listened to that interview, feel free to pause us now and listen to that one, then come back and listen this one, or listen to this one as a cliff notes, and then see if you like what we like, and listen to that one. You're gonna want to listen to it that's pretty cool. Okay, today. 

Brad Crowell 1:22  

Actually, it's quite interesting. 

Lesley Logan 1:24  

Oh yeah, it's a fun it was a fun episode. Who would have thought that we would have that episode but we did. Now, people like, what is the episode? Anyways. So today is, so today is July 24th 2025 and it's International Self-Care Day.

Brad Crowell 1:44  

Kind of poignant topic. 

Lesley Logan 1:45  

Yeah, it really is. This is something I literally every single morning when I go on a walk. I shouldn't say every single morning, because, like with this sinus infection, if you haven't heard it yet, it'll pick up on it a little bit. I just don't think I look amazing in the morning, nor do I sound great. So I haven't been like all my you need to go on a walk. But if there's something I preach about every single day, it is self-care. So this is your day. This is your holiday. 

Brad Crowell 2:09  

To buy yourself a ring. What? 

Lesley Logan 2:11  

Yeah, what? 

Brad Crowell 2:11  

What? Oh, I mean, it's your day to self-care.

Lesley Logan 2:14  

Self-Care, International Self-Care Day is celebrated on July 24th and I would actually call a getting yourself a ring, just like a reward and or something worth doing. But self-care is actually free usually. It stresses the importance of self-care as a cornerstone of wellness. On this day, individuals throughout the world are encouraged to make self-care as part of their day everyday routines entered into a priority is a milestone and an opportunity to raise further awareness of the benefits and effectiveness of self management of health. That's what self-care is, self-management of health. I love that. That is so great as opposed to like self-care isn't selfish care. Self-care, it's literally self-management of your fucking health. Oh, my God, my mind is blown. Self-care has always been incredibly important, but especially now, as people realize they need to take care of themselves and put themselves first. This has made people talk about and it increased the interest of others to take control of their health and wellness by prioritizing themselves. Today, we urge you to practice self-care, even if all you do is take a walk. Self-care, the reason I say it's mostly free because most of the things you can do for self-care is prioritize your sleep, your water intake, how you fuel yourself, that you that drunk food? Are you giving yourself food that makes you feel really awesome, giving yourself food that makes you feel like shit, right, every time? And I'm not saying food is good or bad, like when we have the Anthony episode, like we talked about that, but like, there are foods that aren't serving you, whether or not they're considered healthy or unhealthy, I don't care, whether they're not serving you. So are you fueling yourself, right? Are you surrounding yourself with people who make you feel better about yourself? That's self-care, right? Like, literally say no to a friend, an Eeyore friend, just throwback from last week, like or not, that's self-care, right? So maybe you have to put your phone on Do Not Disturb that's self-care. You know, so tons of things that are self-care, that are free. Spa days, not self-care. That is just something you get to do because it feels good and you deserve it. But it, to me.

Brad Crowell 2:14  

I like that distinction, because I think most of I mean for me too, I've thought about like, oh, self-care, I gotta go do something for myself, which means spending money. And it doesn't necessarily have to be that way. 

Lesley Logan 4:13  

No, going for a walk around the block is self-care. 

Brad Crowell 4:21  

Or, you know when, when you're feeling that afternoon slump, go do a handstand for four seconds at the wall and get some blood flow to your head. Yeah, that's self-care. You know, getting some vitamin D by sitting in the sun in the morning, that's self-care. Yeah. So doesn't have to involve spending money. All right. Well, here's what we got coming up. Agency Mini from Profitable Pilates just closed in the last couple of days. What an amazing event. I'm not gonna lie. 

Lesley Logan 4:46  

It's a really great people. 

Brad Crowell 4:48  

Well, I like that we changed it and it was shorter.

Lesley Logan 4:51  

Yeah. I mean, I think for everyone, because the biggest problem we have with and this is, like, why you know at the Be It Till You See It podcast, we talk about, like, you get better every time you do something. And so Agency Mini. 

Brad Crowell 5:03  

It's our 11th time doing it, 11th. 

Lesley Logan 5:05  

Yeah. It evolved. Every single time it evolved. And then the last three or four times, we're like, we have it dialed in. We have it nailed down. Everything is good. But the one piece of feedback that we used to get that we could never solve was like, the overwhelm. And we'd always tell people, don't take in everything, like, just take in what you need. But the problem is, is people have FOMO and we are perfectionist and, like. 

Brad Crowell 5:26  

Don't worry. Agency isn't like Agency Mini. Agency Mini was chaos and, like, a whirlwind, and Agency actually, you know? But like, we still have to say that. So we were like, this is, there's, it's not aligned.

Lesley Logan 5:36  

Yeah, it's not aligned. So because of our new tools, we have in Agency, because of our new app, all these different things. Yeah, we have an app. It made it easier for us to make Agency Mini a mini version of Agency, without the overwhelm. And it was super fun to help people and now we have a bunch of Agency members, and it's just super great. So I'm excited for you guys. Can't wait to work with you guys, and we literally leave tomorrow. 

Brad Crowell 5:57  

We're going on tour y'all. 

Lesley Logan 5:59  

Are we leaving today? No, we leave now. Yeah, we're leaving today. 

Brad Crowell 6:03  

Oh yeah, we're leaving tonight. You're totally right. I'd have 25th as the first class but, but we actually drive out tonight. 

Lesley Logan 6:11  

Clearly, we recorded this early. We're on the road. 

Brad Crowell 6:14  

We're on the road. No, no, we're not on the road just yet, because this drops in the morning, we'll be leaving tonight.

Lesley Logan 6:14  

They could be listening to it at night. So if you're listening tonight, we're on the road. So anyway, opc.me/tours, where you can get tickets because it's not too late, some cities are too late, but it's not too late to sign up. You can, as long as there's room you can sign up. And also, the Calgary stop is a virtual stop so.

Brad Crowell 6:36  

There are two virtual workshops in Calgary go to opc.me/calgary for that.

Lesley Logan 6:40  

Yeah, but opc.me/tours such tours, all 15 cities. It's really going quite amazing. We have three cities in Canada. Of course, Vancouver is way sold out. At the time recording this, Kamloops only has space in the workshop and not a lot. And Calgary has room in all of its goodness. I'm including the virtual spots. We did limit how many people could be at the virtual as well. So just because it's virtual doesn't mean everyone can attend. We we kept it quiet, kept it small, so you have a great experience. So go to opc.me/tour. Want to see you. And then we come home, unpack and change out the suitcases because now, and clean out the van. 

Brad Crowell 7:14  

Because we're home for like, a week and a half. 

Lesley Logan 7:16  

Week and a half, and then we go to the U.K. yeah, we're going to the U.K. 

Brad Crowell 7:22  

Yeah we're gonna go to Scotland. 

Lesley Logan 7:26  

We're gonna leave my dad in Scotland. We're gonna head down into the into Britain, and we're going to teach in Essex and Leeds in England, I guess. 

Brad Crowell 7:29  

I mean I guess we'll call it Britain but I think Great Britain is all of it, and England is.

Lesley Logan 7:34  

You know, it's really quite complicated. It's really annoying. Let's say England is correct. You're absolutely right. I got little stuck. I was watching the Hamilton King George Sing a Song, and I think I just got stuck. You know, I love. It's one of the best songs. It's too bad it's about him. Yes, you'll be back. So anyways, so anyways, we'll go down into England. Excuse me, somehow I'm supposed to drive on the opposite side of the road that I'm used to, and we'll see how that goes. 

Brad Crowell 7:59  

You're gonna do great, babe. 

Lesley Logan 8:06  

Do great. No one. No turns, please. So we're gonna go to Essex. We have a Tuesday and a Wednesday workshop and workout situation going on. So go by day passes or two-day pass, you'll save money if it's two-day pass, and then we're gonna go up to Leeds. That's our second time in Leeds. We only have a couple spots left there. And then we're gonna hit back up to Scotland, grab my dad for his like, I don't know, adventures he's going on himself, and fly home.

Brad Crowell 8:35  

There's a coffee shop in Leeds that I'm very excited.

Lesley Logan 8:38  

Oh, the guy who makes a seven minute long latte. 

Brad Crowell 8:38  

Yes, the guy. 

Lesley Logan 8:41  

Yeah, the guy. 

Brad Crowell 8:42  

I really hope he's still there. 

Lesley Logan 8:44  

I think he is. According to Claire, he still is. 

Brad Crowell 8:47  

Okay, good. Well, I'm very excited, because that's gonna be awesome. 

Lesley Logan 8:50  

It is. Okay, you guys. Is one of the best lattes. It is the smallest cup I have ever seen. Have espresso and milk in it, and it.

Brad Crowell 8:50  

It's just like scientific coffee. 

Lesley Logan 8:58  

It took them so long. I was like, I need a cup of coffee. 

Brad Crowell 9:00  

He made one, tasted it and dumped it and started over for me. I was like, what was wrong with that one? He's like, it was, it didn't it didn't settle. It wasn't the right flavor. It was burnt, so whatever the heck it was he was like, no, I'm not serving you this.

Lesley Logan 9:14  

We're not even doing a great job, because we don't even know the name of the place. But you know what? If you come to Leeds, Brad will take you. 

Brad Crowell 9:22  

I'll take you. 

Lesley Logan 9:22  

Okay, so opc.me/uk, to snag your spots there. Then we come home. Our besties are visiting us from Florida. Yeah, we're gonna unpack the cold weather clothes we took and put hot weather clothes back in a suitcase and be in Cambodia. Oh, my God, I can't wait for the humidity to be on this skin after all of the Summer Tour and and U.K. like, no offense, but like, I I live for humidity. Like I am. Everyone's like, I love a dry heat. You have no idea what you're talking about. Humid heat is way better for your skin, for the youthfulness, for your hair. Everything is better. So crowsnestretreats.com if you would like to have humidity on your skin and spend time with us in an epic place, see the temples, come to our house, do Pilates. 

Brad Crowell 10:06  

Take a break from all the chaos. 

Lesley Logan 10:07  

Figure out your self-care routine. I will help you with that. I will help you bring out your dream schedule. Anyways, before we get into the amazing episode with Margot, we have an audience question. 

Brad Crowell 10:18  

We sure do, two questions, actually, from Caroline on IG, thank you, Caroline for asking. Number one is, hi, can you recommend a great pair of undies for Pilates or leggings? I read this before and forgot. I always notice a print when I get off my reformer. 

Lesley Logan 10:37  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 10:37  

Okay. 

Lesley Logan 10:38  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 10:38  

I can't, Caroline but, I know someone who can. 

Lesley Logan 10:42  

Okay, we, remember when we got this question on YouTube. We're like, do we go live about this? I'm like, oh my God, what weirdos are gonna show up for the live? It's like, my favorite underwear for Pilates. So here's the thing. I like, EBY they're they have a type of of of underwear that is (inaudible). We have, right? We have a video.

Brad Crowell 11:07  

I didn't know how to find it, so I just went to YouTube and I searched Lesley Logan underwear, and the video comes up.

Lesley Logan 11:13  

Perfect, perfect, perfect. I wish they had millions of views. It probably doesn't, but anyways, so I like those because they're nice and thin under my leggings, so they don't leave a mark. Like when I'm walking around, you can't see my underwear, which is like a big deal to me. I don't know why we are obsessed with this, but I'm obsessed with people not seeing the outline of my underwear, probably from purity culture life. I have no idea. Anyways, the other reason I like it is if, ladies, you don't know this, but if your underwear covers your butt and then you put leggings on it, that is why you're losing your pants on stomach massage. So I like that also, you know the reason, another reason I like EBY is because I'm I am a sweater, and I don't really like when your like underwear doesn't keep you dry from and so otherwise, like your pants are wet, where your underwear is. I like my underwear keep me dry as much as possible, so that I have like, sweat, like on my thighs, but not in my crotch. So anyways, that's my favorite for that. Otherwise. 

Brad Crowell 12:12  

What did you say it is? 

Lesley Logan 12:14  

Think they're called EBY. 

Brad Crowell 12:15  

And they're from. 

Lesley Logan 12:17  

EBY underwear. 

Brad Crowell 12:18  

Oh, that's the company. 

Lesley Logan 12:19  

Yeah, yeah, it's EBY women seamless yeah, that's the one I like. 

Brad Crowell 12:24  

All right, we're gonna put a link in the show notes for that.

Lesley Logan 12:27  

Yeah, yeah. So anyway, oh, they're having a sale. I should get some more. 

Brad Crowell 12:30  

Thanks, Caroline. 

Lesley Logan 12:31  

Thanks, Caroline. She had another question, though.

Brad Crowell 12:34  

Yes. Caroline had a second question. She said hey, do you have a shake plate that you recommend? 

Lesley Logan 12:40  

I do. we'll put. 

Brad Crowell 12:41  

I had a feeling,

Lesley Logan 12:42  

We'll put a link in the show notes, because I don't know the brand name, to be honest, but I love this thing I get on mine.

Brad Crowell 12:51  

It also wasn't, like, outrageously expensive. It wasn't nothing but it wasn't like a million dollars. 

Lesley Logan 12:51  

It's like, it ranges from like, a little over 100 to about 150 and I think depends on the color or the time of year. But, like, honestly, it, it's something that, if I'm like, oh. 

Brad Crowell 13:08  

Well, let's talk about what, what is a shake plate and why do you do it? 

Lesley Logan 13:12  

Okay, so it kind of is a shake plate is kind of like a spin on the power plate. Power plate would be the brand and Power Plates I have experienced. 

Brad Crowell 13:19  

Those big metal silver-looking ones that are, like, you know, two and a half feet wide. You can do a handstand on those. 

Lesley Logan 13:19  

Oh, yeah, you can do some great stretches on those. My trainers at Equinox will, like, go here and do your pigeon stretch. And it, like, would really help with my running, help with my hips. I mean, I don't know all this. Here's thing, you guys, I don't know all the scientific facts are on it. But, like, I can say that Power Plates are really, really epic. And they can, like, turn your muscles on and off in such a way that it's like a full workout. In fact, in Vegas, there's a place called Vibe 28 that's literally workouts on a Power Plate. 

Brad Crowell 13:52  

I didn't know that. 

Lesley Logan 13:52  

And it's like they even do like, like a meditation class on them. So you like, just do different stretches on them. It's really quite cool. I will say they made me put a like, a band, a booty band, around my legs, and do squats on that thing. And I was like, oh my God, I thought I was in shape. No, no, no, no. It's like, what? It's like intense. And you that's, there's a reason why it's like only 28 minutes. You definitely don't want to work out longer than that. So it can be really effective but the reason I got one is because it can also be really good for lymphatic drainage, and it really good for balance and stability. And so I have my ankles are really hyper mobile, and my muscles around my knees have been really hard for me to, like turn on. And so I got one because you can just stand on it, and I swear, I swear it's doing something for lymphatic drainage, like my girlfriends and I just like, live by that. I have another girlfriend who, like, had some back stuff, and she just put it on, like, the lowest level and sat on it and her back felt better. So, like, that, that's amazing. So anyways, I get on mine, and I literally will, like, do Slack for 15 minutes, or I'll read a book. Yes, I can read a book while shaking. I'm also very tall. I could like my arms aren't shaking. The rest of me is. I play a video game on there. On my days where I don't want to work out, but I've got time on my hands, I get on there and I do it. Sometimes I just put my legs on it, and it feels really good. I have literally Googled multiple times, is standing on my shake plate at all beneficial? And the answer is yes. Now, of course, it's more beneficial if you do like a plank or a squat, but I play around my different foot positions, and my ankles are much more stable. My medial quad is actually turning on. I think it's been really fun for my lymphatic drainage around my center. So I love my shake plate. Big fan, yeah, total, yeah. So anyways, and it doesn't take a lot of space. One of my girlfriends lives in like, a tiny, like, studio apartment. My got one, and she's like, I do it twice a day, every day. So some of us now, like, do, like, we like, take pictures of ourselves send to each other, like, I'm on mine. Oh, I'm on mine. So now it's for like, a little club. 

Brad Crowell 16:00  

That's funny. That's fun. I've even done it, too. I do enjoy it. It definitely first time you do it, you're gonna feel a little bit like, numb getting off of it afterwards. Don't turn it up that high your first time.

Lesley Logan 16:12  

There's programs and literally, start with the first program. And also a little side note that I would do, I was like, oh, every day I'm just gonna do the next program up. No, that is not how you get used to it. I recommend like doing program one for a few days and program two for a few days because I made my psoas so fucking sore, I had to stretch, so.

Brad Crowell 16:12  

Well, anyway, Caroline, we'll put that link in the show notes so you can check it out. Hey, look, if you have a question at all for anything, or about anything or whatever go to beitpod.com/questions, beitpod.com/questions and you can leave us a question or a win. So if you want to be featured on the FYFs for Friday's episodes.

Lesley Logan 16:55  

Your win could be that you bought yourself a shake plate and you did your first 15 minutes of self-care on it. 

Brad Crowell 17:01  

All right. Well, stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to talk to talk about Margot McNaull in just a minute. 

Brad Crowell 17:09  

All right, welcome back. Let's talk about Margot McNaull. Margot is the founder of Stór by Margot, a bespoke fine jewelry company born from her own journey of designing her engagement ring in India. With no formal background in jewelry design, she turned her natural eye and personal experience into a thriving business helping women create meaningful, deeply personal pieces today, her work centers around empowering women to own their worth, often through designing their own legacy jewelry that tells their story, and that's what most of the episode was actually about. Was about worth and worthiness, and, you know why you would buy a ring for yourself, and conversations that happen in the home, you know, in a family, usually a married couple. You know, it was interesting. It was interesting. I, you know, I, I thought, I don't know. I've never really, I'm not really the guy that's out there trying to buy myself a ring, but if I wanted to buy a ring, I would probably save up the money and go buy the ring. But that's not how the conversation traditionally goes. 

Lesley Logan 18:14  

No. I mean, also, like, even while the ring, that the beautiful ring I have, I literally told someone to tell you. 

Brad Crowell 18:20  

I have no idea what you just said. 

Lesley Logan 18:24  

My engagement ring that you got me, I made sure people in my life knew what I wanted, because we well, because you had said, don't talk to me about getting married. So I was like, well, how am I going to tell him about the ring I want if I don't can't talk about getting married. So I just made sure all of my friends who you knew knew which ring I wanted. 

Brad Crowell 18:40  

I don't remember that that's how the story went.

Lesley Logan 18:42  

No. The story goes, you asked my friend for my ring size. He said, oh, I can tell you what ring she wants. 

Brad Crowell 18:46  

Yes, because he had it from, like, a year before.

Lesley Logan 18:48  

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was before, yeah. So anyways, I knew what I wanted. The point is, around here, we just buy that ourselves, the thing we want, but I do have tons of friends who won't put a ring on their their wedding ring finger, because they that's saving of her then. Or they, they they want something, but then they they compromise, or they don't have the it's a whole thing. And so she's just a big person like, buy the thing that you want and buy the ring that you want, and that because you're worthy of it, and not waiting for a partner or waiting for external people to tell other people outside of you, to tell you what what ring you should have, or what you're worth, or things like that. I think it's really cool. And I also she said she was observing that women often struggle to buy fine jewelry for themselves, not because of money, but because they don't feel like they're worthy of it. Because, like you said, I would just save up the money and go get it. A lot of people will save up the money and then feel bad about like that. They're not like, oh, I shouldn't have spent all that money on that thing this, like, like.

Brad Crowell 19:47  

I mean, I get that, you know. Like, I definitely understand that, you know, I saved up money for a pair of glasses that I was like, wow, these are really expensive, and I literally wear them every day now, and I'm like, proud of myself for doing it.

Lesley Logan 19:59  

Yeah, don't you feel you feel good. 

Brad Crowell 20:01  

I like them. 

Lesley Logan 20:01  

Yeah. I mean, I love our car. It feels really cool to be in that car. I feel very worthy of that car, you know, like, now we had to save up for it. We have to wait, like, it's it was an expense, but, like, I think.

Brad Crowell 20:12  

We waited 10 fucking years. 

Lesley Logan 20:14  

I fucking did, yeah, I did, but I, I wanted to have her on because I actually feel like we have a lot of listeners who are that person who has, has saved up the money, or does have it and and maybe feels a little guilty, like, oh, I shouldn't be spending on me. It should be spent on the kids, or I should be I should be doing X, or should be doing y. And it's like, you know, if you saved up that money one time, you probably could do it again, and you could probably spend it on them then that time. But so she she reflects on her own deeper journey, and that she even like while she was running her business, she was going through her own journey of self-doubt and realizing of self-worth. And so she had to go into it and realize, where do I feel like how do I feel about my worth? And so I also thought that this is really cool, because oftentimes it doesn't have to do with the ring. If you don't feel worthy, it's going to translate in other areas of your life.

Brad Crowell 21:03  

Yeah. And had nothing to do with the ring, nothing to do with the ring. Well, you know, when she's talking about, I think the conclusion of the worthy conversation was, it was it was an interesting back and forth between you and her about your experience working in retail and jewelry and seeing how couples would come in, and obviously they influence each other, but not just couples, like, friends, and then the person who wanted the, the one was doing the shopping would be influenced by the friend, and maybe the thing like and the friend might not have self-worth. So then they're, you know, projecting their insecurity on the decision-making process. And it could talk someone out of doing something that they were trying to do for themselves. And so what I thought was neat about her thing was she said, you know, the only person that's gonna make you feel worthy is you, yeah, that's interesting, but it also makes me, you know, like, is there an exercise? How do we do that? How do we feel worthy? How do we help ourselves feel worthy? 

Lesley Logan 21:52  

I think that's a really interesting question. I think, like, also part of it is going back to, like a Nikole Mitchell, you know, like it's like putting Post-Its around your your your house, like, I am worthy of liking things. I am worthy of having this. I am worthy of reaching the goals that I want to have. Like it doesn't have to be I'm worthy of the stuff I want to buy, put it on. I'm worthy of get seven hours of sleep. I'm worthy of 100 grams of protein. I'm worthy of saying no to people coming over on a Tuesday night. I'm worthy of my time. So start with there.

Brad Crowell 22:49  

So we're not having dinner with them? Just kidding. 

Lesley Logan 22:50  

Yeah. But like, I think, I think it comes from actually saying it out loud and saying it around things you can't have cognitive dissonance around. So like, if buying yourself expensive sunglasses or car or whatever is feels a dissonance to you, you have stuff that you still have to unpack and work through, then start with something smaller. I'm worthy of eight glasses of water a day, right? I am worthy.

Brad Crowell 23:18  

Or I'm worthy of a pay raise. You know, like, this is actually, you know, one of the things that that I really that resonated a lot with me is a topic that I get the chance to talk about a lot, which is money, right, and money when, especially with Pilates instructors, there's this weird stigma that Pilates is expensive, so you must be taking advantage of people when you're teaching. And then we shame ourselves into being like, oh, you know, I only teach a few hours a week, you know, so it's not that much money I'm making. And we have this weird, upside down perspective of, you know, the industry that we're in, the people that we serve, what we're doing, how much time and money we invested in getting trained, all this stuff, and then we adopt this, this like, strange mindset around the income that we're making, yeah, and so I've had this really interesting opportunity over the last year to talk about money on a consistent basis through a webinar that I've been hosting. And, you know, unabashedly talk about the desire to get more money, to make more money, and and but not be weird about it, right? We're not out there, like, championing, like, money for the sake of money. That's not the point. One of the things that I've really enjoyed is, in this the webinar is actually future-casting. Right? So taking a moment closing our eyes and actually thinking down the road, right? When we talk about money in these webinars, I actually talk about something that's like, scarily, like, almost like, it feels scary to even be willing to dream about it. It's about doubling your money, doubling your income. So, like, let's say you're making $35,000 a year. Could you make $70,000 a year with Pilates, you know? And. And the answer is, yes, you could. But why? Why would you want to do that, right? And I think the glib and obvious answer is, because I can get more money. But that's not the point. The point is, what are you going to do with that money? And then what are we doing with that? Like, how is that helping us shift our life to be better and more enjoyable? Easier, like, we it puts us in a position to go do something else that we want to do.

Lesley Logan 25:25  

Yeah, I mean, like, because, if you I mean to go back to that, the worthiness of it's like, okay, I want to make $70,000 because, but why? So I want to be able to pay for my kid to go to summer camp. I want to be able to have money in savings. I want to be able to do X, Y and Z. I want to donate to this thing. I want to do this thing right. Okay, so then it's not that. 

Brad Crowell 25:48  

Or even it could be I want to create a life for myself that allows me a breather, a break, so I don't have to be going 90 miles an hour.

Lesley Logan 25:58  

And I think if we were all to say I am worthy of having a life that gives me a break. What selfish is about that? So, like. 

Brad Crowell 26:06  

In the same vein, you know, let's translate that over to buying things. Yeah, why do we buy things, right? Why do we buy a nice car? Why do we, you know, I don't know, put in a pool? Why do we buy fancy sunglasses that cost $500 you know, which seems like absurd, you can buy a same pair of sunglasses for $12. Why do we do that? Like, like, how do we do that and justify that without, you know, feeling like an asshole, right? 

Lesley Logan 26:33  

Well, I think the interesting word there is justify. I don't think anyone I think that.

Brad Crowell 26:37  

Well, there's a story we tell ourselves in our head, right? And I think that it's like, if, especially if we don't feel worthy of it, then we're justified, then we're justified.

Lesley Logan 26:45  

Yeah. But if you feel worthy, you don't have to justify anything, because it's it goes to the person who goes, oh, it must be nice. And the response, the only response, to it must be nice is it really is. It is. Thank you. It is because we have to. We, that has been trained into people for years and years to keep you poor. That's what it is every time someone has told their kids that money doesn't grow on trees, putting the same as point earned, you know, you, like, the justification of things that is to keep youth playing small. If you play small, then there, then the rich can keep getting richer off of you playing small, of you not demanding the pay raise, of you not charging your actual worth. Because, by the way, for the Pilates instructors who are listening, I just had a huge talk on both an AR Agency office hours and the next day instead of eLevate and I was like, on a pedestal, I couldn't get off of it. And I was like, y'all have to have some courage and conviction. Like most of the problems that this goes for anyone you don't have to be a Pilates instructor, is you don't realize all the hours you haven't sat down and counted all the hours of all the time you spent learning what you do, train on what you do, practicing what you do, teaching what you do. And you're thinking, oh, I'm pricing something for the 55 minutes I'm teaching them. No, you're not. That price is based on your entire past building up to it. And by the way, the future you're giving them, that's what that session, that the present that they're paying for, it's for your expertise and what they get in the future. And I think that's where worthiness comes in, is like, what can you do? Do you need to sit down and write down all the things that you know throughout realize you're worthy of asking for that pay raise? What is it going to take? But you can't ask other people for why you're worthy. You have to sit down and do some digging on yourself. This has to come from inside you, and it has and and the external stuff and the ring or the car, whatever. That's later, because some people like material things and some people don't. According to my astrology signs, I like material things, and I don't disagree with that.

Brad Crowell 28:51  

I could have told you that the day I met you. Yeah, but, but honestly, that's the thing. Here's the thing, it's okay to like material things. It's okay. We're allowed to do it. I don't know, you know, we feel guilty about it because of, for me, it was the way I was raised. Right? Is, is that, you know, the the money mindset element of it, and so, like, buying something really expensive was always out of the question. It was never even considered, right, ever, but, but like with, with the ring, like, if you want, if it's like, something that is going that means something to you, it's kind of like we were talking about tattoos, right. Like, if, if there is a sentimental association with it, you know, and you it's a goal you achieved in your life. Like, we've, we've, we've a friend we've mentioned before, when she wins a case, she buys a purse, or she buys the glasses, or she buys the thing, and she says, you know? And here's ironically, ironically, her dad not shaming him, but his response is always like, you still spent the money to buy the thing. 

Lesley Logan 29:56  

And also, she doesn't get a pay raise when she wins. 

Brad Crowell 29:56  

Right. It's not like she's getting a pay raise. 

Lesley Logan 29:57  

No, she get the same amount whether she wins or loses.

Brad Crowell 30:01  

She, like, she's like, when I when this case goes, when it when the case concludes, then I get to buy the thing, right. And I think it's great. They're like, they're like, milestones of her life, you know.

Lesley Logan 30:12  

Yeah, yeah. I really agree. And I just want to, like, go on this one thing when it comes to some of the material possessions, especially a piece of jewelry that is something that one you wearing every day, so it's a physical reminder of of why you thought you're worthy of that. And then two, and Margot talked about this, you do often give it to someone, like, we don't have children, but I imagine Ella will like all of my jewelry. If Meredith has a daughter, we'll have to figure it out. But like, I imagine that like our niece Ella, she likes to wear pretty princess stuff. I imagine she'll like my things.

Brad Crowell 30:51  

I'm sure she will. Well, thanks for going down that journey with us here. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're gonna dig into some Be It Action Items that you discussed with Margot McNaull. 

Brad Crowell 30:58  

All right here let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Margot McNaull? Don't give up on yourself, she said, right? To go through what you need to go through, to go through to be that strong, that's successful, that whatever you have to go through some pretty dark valleys, right? It's not just like it's just kind of inherently built into life. We all know this, right? But don't give up. Don't give up on yourself. She said, look at things in a way that other people maybe they don't want to. It's easier not to dig into these things, to look at these things, then you're gonna, you're gonna come out. And if you, if you, if you give up, right, you're gonna come out with a less powerful message, okay, let's put some actual context into what this vagueness that we're talking about here, don't give up on yourself, right? If you, you're allowed to fail, okay, but if you fail, let's keep going. So for example, maybe it is going to bed earlier or just getting up earlier, or maybe it is, you know, eating food, that is, you know, like, maybe you may always skip breakfast, and you're like, I want us to eat breakfast because I know it's going to jump start my metabolism, whatever, right, you know, like, like, okay, like, how do we how do we do this? How do we actually make this habit, create this habit? And we could talk about habit-building later, but, you know, it doesn't have to be this huge, epic goal. It can be these smaller things, and that's such a great place to start to build that, that habit. 

Lesley Logan 32:33  

Yeah. And if you miss a day, it's not failure. You start, you drink, eat your breakfast later, start again. Celebrate that you thought about it. 

Brad Crowell 32:41  

Yeah. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 32:42  

Okay, so this is really cool. This made me think of Joanna, whose last name is escaping me, but she was in the second year the podcast was out, and she had to be an action about wearing the shoes, just like buy the shoes.

Brad Crowell 32:55  

Johanna White. Johanna White. Episode 171.

Lesley Logan 33:00  

Nailed it. She always said, buy the shoes and wear them, right? And so this particular Be It Action Item makes me think of that. She said, you can take your old jewelry and have it revamped and have it transformed and and sometimes that's like the permission that a lot of us need. It's like, oh, we're not buying a new thing because we have these old things, but we're not wearing the old things. Are we not as proud of old things? And you can actually just revamp the old things and now it's new again. And so if you have an old an old thing, you know, like, consider revamping it because you are worthy of it, yeah.

Brad Crowell 33:35  

Or maybe it was at a family heirloom that's like, you know, cool and amazing and sentimental, but not hip and fun and funky that you'd wear all the time. Maybe you could have something tweaked on that, and it would all sudden fit your personality today. So love that you have our permission to make changes to things.

Lesley Logan 33:53  

And walk around. I am worthy of, I'm worthy of, I'm worthy of, fill in the blank for yourself. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 33:58  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 33:59  

Thank you so much for listening to our amazing podcast. Yes, I said our podcast is amazing because it fucking is. 

Brad Crowell 34:05  

We're worthy of it being amazing. 

Lesley Logan 34:06  

I'm so proud of it. This is episode 554, you guys. Holy mackerel. So do me a huge favor and share one of your favorite episodes with a friend who needs to hear it. It's how this podcast gets out. It means the world to me. It is the like a great gift to me and Brad. And a review goes a long way, because words of affirmation are my love language. So I've asked for two things. Thank you so much, asked for three, actually. And you know, just do one of them. You don't have to be an overachiever. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 34:36  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 34:38  

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Brad Crowell 35:20  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 35:25  

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Brad Crowell 35:30  

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Lesley Logan 35:37  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 35:40  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Margot McNaull didn’t plan to be a jewelry designer, but creating her own engagement ring sparked a mission to empower women through fine jewelry. She joins Lesley Logan to explore self-worth, the symbolism of rings, and why you don’t need permission to craft heirlooms that celebrate your life. Margot’s story will inspire you to see jewelry as a bold declaration of who you are.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• What sparked Margot’s shift from consumer to jewelry designer.
• What she’s learned about self-worth through her own life journey.
• The psychological barrier of asking permission to invest in yourself.
• How the Ring Transformations program helps women reclaim their style.
• Why crafting heirlooms celebrates the important moments in your life.

Episode References/Links:

• Stór by Margot Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/storbymargot
• Stór by Margot Website - https://www.storbymargot.com 
• Margot McNaull's Website - https://www.margotmcnaull.com

Guest Bio:

Margot McNaull is the founder of Legacy – the luxury ring experience where she empowers women to live a life of legacy. With nearly ten years in the fine jewelry industry and having worked closely with thousands of women, I’ve witnessed firsthand the transformative moment when a woman finds the ring she’s always dreamed of. Margot started her jewelry design journey in the wedding world, collaborating with countless couples to honor and celebrate a pivotal milestone. However, she soon realized that the ring held a deeper significance. It symbolized a moment, a longing—a reflection of the woman who wore it, beyond just a gift from someone else. Margot’s passion quickly deepened as she realized her desire to serve every woman who crossed her path. She wanted each one to feel represented in the ring design, to recognize their worth, and to know that every creation was inspired by them. Inspired by this vision, came the Legacy Experience. (https://margotmcnaull.com/legacy)

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Episode Transcript:

Margot McNaull 0:00  

You deserve something that you truly love and truly honors who you are and what you want every day. And so I just think, if you do that for yourself first, before getting into a wedding ring, you're not going to compromise on that wedding ring either. You're going to know what you're doing. 

Lesley Logan 0:15  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:58  

Hello, Be It babe. How are you? We're going to talk about a topic that you might not think has anything to do with being it until you see it. We're talking about jewelry. We're talking about rings. We're going to talk about buying the ring for you, right? And if you're like, oh that, I don't need to do that right now, I would strongly encourage you to listen to it. I think we had a great discussion about worthiness and permission versus discussion. And my single ladies like, what are we waiting for? Right? Why are we waiting for a person to come to our life put a ring on that finger? So it was really fun. It's really powerful. And I know when you see Margot McNaull's Instagram and see all the different ways that she designs rings, I think you'll be inspired to really create your own legacy with that. So here is Margot McNaull. 

Lesley Logan 0:58  

All right, Be It babe, this is really fun. This is a conversation I've been wanting to have for a really long time ever since I met our guest today. It's going to be fun. We've never talked about jewelry and diamonds and worthiness to buy our own. So, Margot McNaull, thank you so much for being here. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

Margot McNaull 1:55  

Absolutely, thanks for having me. So I'm Margot. I started a fine jewelry company about 10 years ago, and I went straight into a big need I saw on the market, which was cookie cutter jewelry pieces and mass produced jewelry pieces, which I absolutely hated. And I, actually, when I was about to get engaged, now, I guess that's like 13 years ago now, I'm getting old.

Lesley Logan 2:20  

No, not at all. No, because I, I will be married this year, 10 years, and then I'm not getting old yet. 

Margot McNaull 2:25  

There you go. We're not, we're young, we're young. But yeah, I said to my then boyfriend, I said, I don't want you to buy me a ring in North America. I'm Canadian, so we were in Canada. I said, don't buy me a ring in Canada. I want to go to India. I want to buy a ring. And he's like, okay, you know, he doesn't know anything, but he was happy to let me choose because he knew he could never. So we went to India, designed my ring, and I had the most special experience, because I got to select everything myself. And for, you know, listeners who don't know, India is like the Mecca of jewelry. That's where it all flows from. They cut most of the diamonds in the world. They're the experts. So by saying India, we're not saying, like, you know, it's not cheapening anything. It's actually, they value jewelry so much that they, they don't even manufacture 10 karat gold. They don't think that's gold. So, yeah, it's fascinating. So I go there, design it. I'm like, in love with the process, and then I come back and I see all these cookie cutter pieces, and I wanted women to have the experience I had, and that's what actually made me start the business. I was I was not in this at all. I didn't plan to be in it. My own engagement ring design led me to this, and that's how I started in the jewelry world.

Lesley Logan 3:38  

I mean, what a cool, first of all, I think what a great story to have together with your just your jewelry, your ring alone. I think that there is, there is so much around the ring that should have a good story, and then for you to, like, go into this business after that, having no experience like you went to school for, like, metal making or like, what did, you know what I mean, like, were you nervous about it? Did you, did it feel like a big learning curve? What was the, what was it like to go from like, okay, I designed my own ring, but now I've got to design for other people, so now I'm ordering for like, how was that? How did you do that? How was that journey? 

Margot McNaull 4:16  

Yeah, that was a really intense journey, because it really brought out the self-doubt in me. And the best way to explain what I do to people is it's like the interior designer coming in and making it beautiful after the architect, you know, put up the house. So I'm a little bit of both. I create the structure, I design the structure and how it's going to look, but the what makes our rings and jewelry so unique is actually the little tweaks that I make. It's the, it's, you know, how I see it, and you don't actually need to be a goldsmith for that. And I, what I realize now further along in, is I actually have something very rare and unique. And there are a lot of metal workers out there, and there are a lot of people making jewelry out there that don't have that eye and don't have that ability to make something so like, you know, tweak it in just a way. Like, just today, I flipped the three stone ring, pretty unique custom ring for a client who happens to be a wedding photographer. So of course, she's like, pretty picky about what she wants. 

Lesley Logan 5:07  

Because she's seen it all. She's seen everything. 

Margot McNaull 5:19  

Exactly. So she's like, I do not want that. So she's doing this very cool, unique ring. And I just took, I just flipped it. So all I did was like, go one I saw it I'm like, no, I don't love it. Something's wrong. And I flipped it. And I was like, wow. So these are the little things that I realized a long, you know, it took me a long time to overcome the self-doubt, because I would look around, I would feel like I don't know anything. I don't know what I'm doing, but I think all of that stuff actually made me better at it. But yes, it was a very intense emotional learning curve, I would say. 

Lesley Logan 5:49  

Yeah, because I think like, so here's, this is how I'm going to equate it to my life. Like, I booked commercials and gigs in in L.A. before I took a commercial acting class. Soon as I took the commercial acting class, I went on a string of, like, zero callbacks, and I finally had to go, my agent was like, girl, what is going on? You booked a bunch of stuff before you had any skill, and we gave you skill, and now you suck. And I was, that's how they they actually say things more meaner and more direct. And I said, I said, I think that the class screwed me up. I think I started thinking I had to do it in this form you lay it way when I was just being myself before with what was going on. So I'm just gonna forget everything gal taught me and try again. And I booked a couple more gigs. And then I was like, I don't actually really like this, so I'm gonna quit, but, but, like, I think that, you know, we can tell ourselves a story that we have to, oh, I want to start a jewelry business now. I need to go and take all these jewelry classes, and actually, by you owning that you see, like owning your own eye, and not putting about, like, putting your worthiness on the education or the history of jewelry-making by you just owning what your own skill sets were from your own intuition is what makes you so unique and what makes your experience so unique. 

Margot McNaull 7:12  

Absolutely, it, once you can get there, it's awesome, but, I mean, I can, I know a lot of women struggle with this. I'm right there with you, like, you know, the learning curve and the doubt and overcoming all of that is very difficult. I think it's why a lot of people quit in business as well.

Lesley Logan 7:28  

Yeah, how did, so, do you, do you remember what your tools were to overcome it? Was it just like deep therapy? Was it journaling? Like, what?

Margot McNaull 7:36  

Honestly, great question. I feel like it took me a long time, because maybe I didn't implement like, I probably could have had some better tools and done it faster. But what it took me towards, and, you know, I feel like in 10 more years, I'm going to have this amazing story to share about what I'm just entering right now. But when I just started, so I went right into the wedding side of things. I was like, I want to work with engaged couples. Now I'm way more excited, not way more. I love working with women. So now we've really tailored the women, whether it is a woman designing her engagement ring,woman designing something for herself. But back then, I was all wedding, so I went into it thinking, I'm going to make a really cool experience for women to feel special that they have this unique piece that's theirs. The jewelry company is called Stór by Margot, which is a Gaelic word, S-T-O-R which is, my treasure. I wanted them to feel like it was their treasure and it wasn't just another piece from the mall that three other women are wearing at the same time. So I go into that, but it actually completely knocks me off my feet as I'm going through my own journey of self-doubt and realizing, you know, self-worth because it there's actually a really deep psychological issue that appears when women are looking at jewelry and talking to you about jewelry, and it is that they don't feel like they're worthy of it. And this is something that then I had to go into and realize, where do I feel, like, where do I stand? Where's my, how do I feel about my worth? Pretty low. And this is like, years into being married. Have a great husband, great family, but those things aren't going to make you feel worthy. They might help you feel good, but the only person who's going to make you feel worthy is you. And that's why I feel like it took me a really long time to kind of get out of that, but I think it brought me to this conversation, which is exciting, and I'm and I want to spend kind of the rest of my life doing is, you know, talking to women about how worthy they are. And I guess that's the benefit of the slow journey just uncovering. And like I said, I just wanted women to feel happy and excited. And now I see all of the nuances that you should see in my appointments. You can see the in the relational interactions and the doubts and the hesitations. You know. Versus the women who are like in and they're like, this is what I want. I'm getting it. I know I'm strong and but even those women have their moments, right, where you can see through it and but all of it is, I think, how you feel about yourself. 

Lesley Logan 10:13  

Yeah, I, 100% I so agree. I, thank you for sharing that. I think it is. I used to work at a jewelry store. And my jewelry store was, it wasn't like just diamonds. It was more like unique ways of working with diamonds and stones. And so some of our designers, like Kathy Waterman, who, like, makes platinum or 22 karat gold, it looks like ivy that makes the shape of a heart, and this really unique stuff. So, like, even though she would make a few of those pieces, it felt very unique. And so it was really fun. But I would watch women come in by themselves and go, oh, this is a piece that makes me feel so special. And then they might come with their partner or a friend or a family member, and that person's interpret, like, they would almost change how they like something based on if that person would think they were spending too much money, or you're never gonna wear it, or, you know, like that, you can make that far cheaper, like all these different things from the other person's story. And then there'd be the women who came and go, I really love this. They'd write it down. The husband just come in, go, she wants that. That's gonna make her happy. That's exactly, like, so you could see these different relationships. And because I worked at that store for so long, I saw those relationships evolve together or evolve apart, you know, because, and it was really the more she felt firm at what she wanted, and the more it's not like, and I don't mean it's like, he buys her whatever she wants, or she buys for herself whatever, but like, the more confident she was, and the more, the more the partner validated that confidence and validate what they wanted, that, that actually allowed those relationships to be stronger together. And it was just really cool to watch. So my favorite people were the ones that didn't wait for someone to buy it for them, the ones they bought it for themselves. So I want to talk about that, because I know that's where your business has evolved. And our mutual friend, Lauren Zoeller, who's been on the show before, y'all, she designed a piece with you, and I really enjoyed the story of why she got that piece. So can we talk a little bit about why, why you're so excited about women mining their own diamond and like not waiting for the one ring with the one person that.

Margot McNaull 12:23  

So true. Okay, I love this topic so much. And like I said, our business, there's part of our business that's always going to be rooted in that one ring, because it's, it's a specialty. But where I am personally moving towards is this legacy experience of women designing a piece for themselves, and this is all rooted in what we just talked about. And the concept of the experience is we're going to walk through your own personal journey, and we're going to take all of the tidbits and pieces out of that, and I'm going to do my thing and put that into your final piece, you know, which, which I do think most of the time is going to be a ring, because the main, the good thing about a ring is you see it, right? Because you're using your hands, you're looking at it. It's a reminder, versus a necklace. You don't see that much yourself, right, unless you're looking in the mirror. So there's something about a ring that is so powerful, and it's also seems to be the thing that's always passed down, right? So creating a legacy beyond just something that you know is going to be passed down is almost honoring your journey. And what do you want to do with your life, and what you know, what story do you want to leave at the end, and just encouraging and honoring women to walk through that process and not be afraid to do that, and not like you said, tame themselves because they don't think that they're worthy to do it, or the opinion of someone else. And so what was really great about doing that with Lauren is, you know, she knows, she knows what she wants, she, she's not letting somebody else come in there and tell her what to do. And we got to create this beautiful moment of this big transition in her life, of a ring that actually goes back and the story that came out when we were talking together was just how important her grandmother was in her life, and then we got to put that into the final touches of her ring, and it's going to be her symbol forever, of her mission and how she wants to honor her grandmother. And her grandmother almost called that out in her life when she was younger, and she didn't even know what that meant at the time. So this whole experience of and then working like, I love what you said, because most people haven't worked at a jewelry store, when someone can come in and give themselves permission to just do what they want is a completely different experience and outcome. And going ahead and saying, I deserve it. I want to design my own piece. You know, whether it's a legacy experience, whether you just come one on one, say, I'm finally going to do the thing I wanted to do is very empowering. And there is something about jewelry that I mean, jewelry is one of the only things that lasts, if you think about it, right. There's something about gold and stones and where they come from, and they, they last forever, yeah, and it's really special. 

Lesley Logan 15:02  

Yeah. I think, like, I think that's one of the things, like, what I love about what you're doing, why I wanted to talk with you on the show, is, like, we have so many women listeners. Some of them are in a wonderful relationship, some of them are on their own, and they're, as someone who has a lot of, a lot of amazing jewelry, and I get to look at it. I walk into my room all the time. I wear as many rings as possible because I just, it reminds me of who I am, but also like, yes, there is something that I do. I have no children, but I do hope that someday, you know, when I'm not here for this earth, people will will use my jewelry in different ways, or it will remind them of me. But there's something about having in my jewelry box, I have, like, my grandmother's engagement ring, and I have my father's wedding band. I have these things, and I like want to do something with them at some point someday. But there's just something about, like, we have these things that it has that memory. And if you can create something that is from you, that has all of your worthiness, and then you put it on your finger, and you get to look at it every day. It's like a symbol of reminding of who you are and the worthiness that you have. And I think it can be really easy. We've a lot of people have been raised in material possessions are like a waste of time, but actually, like, sometimes it's the only memory we have of somebody like having, like having built that in and put that together like you did with Lauren, like having that that grandmother's touch inside, kind of brings that legacy around and brings that worthiness, and like you're putting them together, I will say this quick little story. It has nothing to do with diamonds, but does have to do with the ring. We're recording this during the L.A. fires, and on my Instagram the other day the these firefighters were like searching this realist come up, this firefighters are searching in this house for another firefighter. His house burned down while he was fighting someone else, the fire somewhere else, his house burned down, and they found his wedding ring because he wasn't wearing it when he was fighting the fires. He left it at home. And they figured out what part of the house it might be at, and they search through the rubble, and they pull out this ring. And it was so emotional, because, like, they've lost everything, right? They have nothing, but they do have that. And it's just, I'm crying now because, like, even though it's not their, a diamond ring, it's this piece, it's like, gives them some sort of, like, semblance of stability and hope and memories and all that stuff that encompasses it. So I, I really do think that jewelry can have so much more than a material possession. It can have all of you, your history, your life, your journey into a piece. 

Lesley Logan 17:32  

Absolutely, that's such a beautiful story, especially because, oh my goodness, especially because that's a miracle, because it should have melted. So that's kind of insane.

Lesley Logan 17:40  

Kind of insane, that, like, it should have melted it, right, it was like, in the rubble of a house, there's nothing left, and they found this band, and it's fine, and he put it on his finger and like, and he's and he's like, he's like, he's like, what's your wife gonna say? He's like, well, she didn't know I lost it yet. So now I have to tell her, it's found. But so cute, so cute, so special. 

Margot McNaull 18:03  

So cute.

Lesley Logan 18:05  

So okay, so tell me, tell us a little bit more, because I think that some people may get overwhelmed by the idea of, like, designing a ring and worthiness. Let's talk about like, what, if we were to do that with you what's the process? How do we make it less overwhelming? How do we, how do we and I guess maybe even, like, what are some things that women should go through to even give themselves permission to do this? Maybe that's a better place to start. 

Margot McNaull 18:29  

Okay, I really love that question, because I, there's one thing that we can all really relate to, and that is, you know, there's no, nobody hesitates now, it's they're, you're like, I want that handbag. I'm buying that handbag in six months. Or, you know, I need a Chanel in my closet like it's everyone has permission now to go and buy these very, very extravagant bags, right? Much more expensive ones than that. And there's no question. Nobody says, I'm not worthy of buying an Hermes bag. Right? So they've overcome that hurdle. But when it comes to diamonds, there's something that stops us. And there, and honestly, I talk a lot, obviously I talk about jewelry a lot, and now it bugs me every time it happens, everybody says, oh, I'll tell my partner, I'll tell my husband, I'll ask them for it. And it's, this is still a thing. It's like we don't feel like we have permission to buy it for ourself yet, right? Sure, a $200 silver ring you're gonna buy for yourself. But why, when you're celebrating something so big, do you not feel like I want that eternity band, you know, like I'm buying that for myself. Or even women, my goodness, well, the idea of the push present, it's like they're still not even asking for their push presents, it's like you almost died putting your kid into this world, at least get her the diamond. So, you know it's, it's, it's a permission issue, and so that's the first thing to overcome is think about that and let that sit with you and really think why do I why am I not giving myself permission? Because, sure, the easy way out is it's expensive. I have to think about it. Yeah, of course, there's a lot of things in life that are expensive that you can plan for. There's also ways to do these rings in this jewelry that are very cost-friendly, you know. And my team can help you figure that out. But there's the I think the issue is, there's, there's a stop so there's, there's a permission issue. 

Lesley Logan 20:26  

I think that's a really, what a, you know, I'm a Pilates instructor. I'm not a therapist, and when people move, trauma really leaves by through movement. And so I've had to up level myself in areas of training so that I can spot when that's happening, and not therapies, because I still don't have that license. But also, like, notice when it's just like, leaving the body, and when it's like, hey, you know here, like, how to handle that, right? And you are, like, going to, like, making jewelry, because, like, it was a great experience. And now it's also like, oh, I also have to be able to identify and help a woman go so maybe you should, like, let's talk about why you think that you can't have this yet, like, why you're not worthy of it now. And it's true, like, maybe you do have to go, okay, I am worthy of it, and I need to buy it in a year after I've, like, that's a different story. But, like. 

Margot McNaull 21:16  

Of course. 

Lesley Logan 21:16  

But it I think that there's a habit, and for the single women like, you're not good, you've got it, you've got it. You have one less thing to think about. But as a married person like I was raised in a house where I hear my mom go, I've had to check with my, my husband check with this. And also, by the way, yes, households have budgets. There are things to check on, but also you could also know what your budget is to spend on yourself and you like that should be a thing that's part of a marital household like my, my husband has his money to spend on his things without checking on me. I have my money spent on my things without checking with him. Then we have our money that, you know, if it's going to be in the household, we have to discuss. But there's not permission there. It's a discussion. And I think that's a difference in that, ooh, we just talked that through.

Margot McNaull 22:03  

That's it. I love that's it. Jewelry is always lands, most of the time, lands on this, I need to ask permission when it really should just be I just really, I just really want them to know I want it, and it's okay, you know. And we'll decide when I'm getting it. It is not a permission. 

Lesley Logan 22:22  

Yeah, and I think, you know, it's really, it's really interesting is, like most partners, I would like to think, I know that that's not all the case in the world that we're living in today, but most partners actually don't want to, don't want to give you permission. They, they, they want you to have what you want. You know, like, I was asking something of Brad, and he's like, you don't need permission to buy it. You just buy it. And I was like, oh, that's right. Where did that come from? How did that come back? How did that come into me? I've never asked before. Like, who did I just hang out with? You know? So, like, so I think, like, it is, I think it's worth evaluating, if you're listening to this and you're like, I can't do I don't know, like, or you're feeling resistance around this, like, I would just ask, like, are you guys having discussions in your relationship around what you'll invest in, or is one person always asking permission, you know, and like, how can we change that? Because I think that that, you know, is worthy of evaluating and putting you know, some time in journaling and discussion into, so.

Margot McNaull 23:20  

I love that. 

Lesley Logan 23:21  

Okay, so you, let's like, let's go back to the I want all the women who listen to this to feel worthy and also have something that they have chosen for themselves. So you got into this idea of like, she doesn't have, she can, she can get her own ring. And this is like, with, not the marriage ring, not the left hand finger ring, but another finger ring. What is that like? Who is grabbing these? Who did you think of this for? Like, what? Tell me more about it. Maybe I'll have one. I have an empty finger. I have an empty one.

Margot McNaull 24:01  

I know. I remember meeting you, and I was like, I love her. She loves jewelry. No finger is unadorned. Except maybe the one we have to fill, but you have to do something with the metal from your parents ring (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 24:13  

Yes, yeah, we'll have to talk about that, yes.

Margot McNaull 24:15  

Absolutely. That's perfect. It's like the sentimental piece that you need to add. So what I love about this is there are some women who are doing this for themselves. You know, let's say after, after having a baby, they're saying, I want a ring to commemorate that. I'm like, awesome. Go for it. Good for you. Then there's women like, we mentioned Lauren, who's like, I really want to honor my journey and my legacy, which is super exciting. Now we just started, we actually just really, speaking of the left hand ring finger, we just released ring transformations, which we are incur, basically like giving permission to women to say, this ring from when I got married 10 years ago is not in style and I don't even like it anymore, and revamping it and doing something with it. 

Lesley Logan 25:01  

I love, that. I love that.

Margot McNaull 25:02  

It's so good. And, you know what's fascinating is us releasing the program. It's like they knew they could do this this whole time. Us saying apply for a ring transformation is like the permission they needed, because so many more people came out of the woodwork and are doing it now, because we, because we said it, you know?

Lesley Logan 25:22  

Well, I think also, like, it's on your to-do list, but then you're like, it just feels daunting. You're not really sure, you know, you almost like, need the prompt. I love this. I think that's really cool. I also, um, for the women who are, you know, letting go of relationship. I have seen women get beautiful rings, like, divorced rings.

Margot McNaull 25:40  

Yes, I know I've done that, and there's some funny names for them, and they've done something cool for themselves afterwards, which I love. And then I also hate, you know, because I don't want to just focus on this one finger. I hate when women say, like, you know, if I have a ring on that finger, then someone always ties it to a relationship. And then there's this whole other tangent of, why is this piece of our body belonging to someone else? It's like, I feel sorry for the single women who just want to wear a ring, and if they go on either side, right, people be like, oh, are you with someone? It's so frustrating. 

Lesley Logan 26:13  

Yeah, no, it really is. Also like, I don't know. Maybe it's because I live in California, and people can judge how they want to, but like, I, whenever I wore a ring on that finger before I was married, it wasn't like people, it stopped anyone. Like, I got engaged, and I got more people asking me out on the first date at the Whole Foods in WeHo which, by the way, is where everyone is gay. So I should have been, like, left alone. So, so I would just say, like, I don't think anyone's actually that observant anymore.

Margot McNaull 26:39  

So true. So true. Yeah? Like, they should have permission to wear whatever they want on whatever finger and celebrate themselves in whatever way they want, right? And it's so interesting, because it's like, at, some women are waiting for that to happen, for that moment, for that someone to give it to them. And like, if you're listening right now, you do not need to wait for that, you know, do it for yourself. And if you do it for yourself first, and that happens later, it's probably going to be even more special because you're honoring yourself first. 

Lesley Logan 27:09  

Yeah, oh I'm into that. I'm so into that. So ladies, put a ring on that finger and just put something that makes you feel powerful and wonderful and special. You know, it's just be it till you see it. And I think oftentimes, like the acting as if you are worthy before you might feel it is also helpful, because it's like, okay, if I did feel worthy, what would I do? What would I wear? What would how would I say yes to this? Would I would I be concerned about putting a ring on that finger or buying myself the ring that I've always wanted? You know, I think that that, and then all of a sudden, you you can, like, start to step into those shoes easily. And so when that ring is ordered and put on that you it doesn't feel foreign. It doesn't feel like something you're embarrassed about. Yeah.

Margot McNaull 27:53  

Yes, you're gonna love it so much more, too, because I've been working with a lot of couples for many years now. Like you said, they're partial therapist, partial ring designer. And honestly, if you don't go through that process first, you're not going to honor yourself enough in a way to actually get a ring you want to wear. You're going to compromise in ways that, and this is a piece you have to wear forever. This is where now, when, you know, people come without their partners, it kind of freaks me out of it, you know, like when the wearer of the ring isn't there, it'll, because it's so how do you nail all those details without the person wearing it? It's going to be on their body everyday maybe. So you deserve something that you truly love and truly honors who you are and what you want everyday. And so I just think, if you do that for yourself first, before getting into a wedding ring, you're, you're not going to compromise on that wedding ring either. You're going to know what you're doing. 

Lesley Logan 28:45  

Yeah, yeah. And I think, like, what a symbol of a ring, if you've compromised all the way, like, you know, like, what is, what's going to happen? What's the be it till you see it, if everything to the detail of the ring is a compromise, you know? Versus like, I like this. I want this, yeah. Oh, my, oh, I could talk to you forever about jewelry, like, I really could. I got a new emerald, by the way, I'll have to show it to you.

Margot McNaull 28:46  

Ooh, yes, please. One of my faves. 

Lesley Logan 29:07  

It's so pretty. It's like, I like, I put it on my finger, and I was like, I said, my friend, my the person who made my wedding ring. I was at her house, and I she had it out, and I was like, what is this that I don't need but I truly want? And I put it on. I was like, well, just look at that. And I was like, put, I tried to put, I was like, well, maybe I'll put the pink one on, you know? And then I was like, no, it's the one, I want, the green one. So I just wore it. And I sent a picture to Brad. I said, hey, babe, what do you think about this? And he didn't respond. And I was like, well, you know, silence is admission, like, it's permission. So this is like, I like, and so I bought it. And he's like, oh, what'd you get? And I was like, well, I hope you like that green one. 

Margot McNaull 29:55  

I love that. Yes, I need to see that with your hair, too. Like, green emerald.

Lesley Logan 30:00  

It is so bright when, when we're done recording, I'll grab it. So anyways, okay, we're gonna take a brief break, because we could talk jewelry forever. But I want to find out some Be It Action Items from you and where people can work with you. 

Margot McNaull 30:11  

Amazing. 

Lesley Logan 30:12  

All right, Margo, where do you like to hang out? Where can people find you, follow you, connect with you, work on a ring with you?

Margot McNaull 30:18  

Yeah, let's do it. So our I'm most active on Instagram @StorbyMargot. So that's S-T-O-R-B-Y Margot with the T. And my two websites are storbymargot.com and margotmcnaull.com which will be you'll have them up, but my personal brand website, which is more women-focused, and then Stór By Margot is more tailored to the wedding side.

Lesley Logan 30:37  

Wonderful. Okay, we've talked a lot about some really good stuff, but Be It Action Item, it's the bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps women can take who are listening and the few good men, by the way, we do have a few good men. 

Margot McNaull 30:51  

Love it. 

Lesley Logan 30:53  

We always call them out, they're listening, that they can take to be it till they see it.

Margot McNaull 31:02  

Love it. Okay, so I'm glad you gave me some time to think about this, but came down to don't give up on yourself, because to go through what you need to go through to be that strong, successful, driven woman, you have to go through some pretty dark valleys, and you do have to look at things in a way that other people maybe don't want to. It's easier not to look at those things, but then you're going to come out with a less powerful message. So the thing that I reflected on was going through a decade where many times I wanted to quit. Well, I'm I very much am not a quitter, I would say, like, I'm more of a beat myself up and keep going. But there would have been times where it would have been easier to quit, and I didn't quit, and instead I had to, like, look deep and figure out what was so uncomfortable and raw. And that's where I'm coming out of, I feel like, in a way. And you know, it seems like 10 years. When you start a business, I mean, you know this, when you start a business, you you'd think you'd be a long way in at year 10, right? Or you look at other people and you're like, man, look how well they did. And honestly, I feel like it's just the beginning, because of all of these things I had to figure out. And if you do not want to look deep into yourself, and you do, do not want to do deep work, definitely don't start a business, because I really, I feel like it's really similar to having kids. It takes a lot out of you, you know, I did both at the same time. So, hence, the very deep, dark valleys of self-reflection and what purpose I wanted to have. But that's what I thought about be it till you see it is I just kept going through the darkness, and I just keep having faith in the process. And that's what I would say in terms of being it till you see it. Because even, I mean, I'm very excited soon to be moving to the U.S. but. 

Lesley Logan 32:56  

Yeah. You're being it until you see it on that U.S. move for, I think, few months after I met you. So it's kind of amazing that it's happening. 

Margot McNaull 33:06  

I'm so excited expanding the business into the U.S. and but in, like some of you know, in Canada, we had the longest shutdowns. We had some of the longest shutdowns in the world. In from 2020-2022 we were still closed January 2022, can you even believe that? 

Lesley Logan 33:22  

It's insane. 

Margot McNaull 33:23  

And running a business at that point in time, you had to be great. And so I was thinking about, you know, life would have been a lot easier if I had given up, but I wouldn't be here today, and I wouldn't be talking about this message that I'm so excited to keep sharing and encouraging women with and so that's my Be It for you, for sure. 

Lesley Logan 33:44  

Yeah, I love that, and it's true. Like, if you don't want to get to know yourself and go through all the dark valleys, there's good too. But like, you don't get the good without the dark. Like, that's just how the world is, how everything is in our lives, then go work for someone else, where you can clock in, repeat things and clock out, because it's, yeah, running, every single day, I learn something about myself. I'm like, oh, I wish I could take that back. I wish I could do that differently. Okay, I get to do that differently next time, but I have to live with what I did this time. 

Margot McNaull 34:19  

Exactly. 

Lesley Logan 34:20  

Yeah, it's, it's interesting, a journey it's a journey. But ladies and gentlemen, please consider, one, your worthiness, for this episode. Two, get the ring that you want for any finger. And three, share this with a friend who needs to hear it. You know, share this with a friend who's like needs to remember that they like are truly married to themselves and and that is how we can, I think, uplift each other and helping those around us feel worthy as well. So Margot, thank you so much. Y'all make sure that you tag any takeaways with Margot, the Be It Pod, share with a friend and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 35:04  

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Brad Crowell 35:46  

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Lesley Logan 35:52  

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Brad Crowell 35:56  

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Lesley Logan 36:02  

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Brad Crowell 36:06  

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