Be It Till You See It

Traci Peterson, a coach and advocate for high-performing women and their daughters, shares insights on reframing negative labels, nurturing self-trust, and passing empowering lessons to the next generation. Discover Traci’s seven “woman lessons” that help women overcome self-criticism, become more present, and truly celebrate their unique gifts. Whether you’re a mom or simply seeking more confidence, this conversation will spark lasting growth.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Transforming negative labels into empowering strengths.
• Creating supportive communication between moms and daughters.
• Building and maintaining boundaries to prioritize well-being.
• Shifting from external validation to owning personal gifts and values.
• Embracing body acceptance as part of self-trust and personal growth.
• Breaking cycles of self-doubt to inspire confidence across generations.

Episode References/Links:

• Traci Peterson Website - https://tracipeterson.com
• Traci Peterson Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/tpete
• Traci’s Energy Generator Guide – https://beitpod.com/energyenerator
• The Woman Lessons Podcast – https://beitpod.com/womanlessonspod
• Mother Daughter Movement Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/motherdaughtermovement
• Ep. 376: Jenny Schatzel - https://beitpod.com/ep376

Guest Bio:

Traci Peterson is an international speaker, highly sought after trainer, board certified family nurse practitioner, Founder and CEO of Elevate Wellness & Aesthetics and has been awarded #1 Top Team Builder in 50 Countries with Amare, for outstanding leadership and long-term team retention. She hosts mother daughter retreats called Woman Lessons; for high performing women and their daughters between 9-12 to help them overcome self criticism by looking inward and upward for validation. With collective medical, wellness and aesthetics industry experience of 15+ years, Traci speaks on topics she regularly covers on her Podcast Woman Lessons: How to Be and raise a truly confident woman—focusing on overcoming comparison, eliminating self-criticism, identifying your divine gifts, learning to love yourself, lean on God as you're raising the next generation of leaders. Traci believes in living a fulfilled life of purpose-- not just external achievements. She prides herself in mastering her roles as a mother, wife, leader and woman of faith. She leads by example in all she teaches. Today, she joyously claims her greatest accomplishment as being a mother to 3 active children.

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Episode Transcript:

Traci Peterson 0:00  

I think that the labels oftentimes, that we're given, can be so limiting, but we can actually become liberated from them if we just reframe them. So whether you're bossy, right? I'm just a master delegator. If you've been told as a woman, oh, you're too emotional, no, you're just incredibly empathetic. If we can just reframe some of these labels, we can actually become liberated from them.

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Okay, loves. I'm going to keep this intro short and sweet, because we have a great interview that runs a little longer than our normal ones do, and that is with Traci Peterson. Basically, it's women lessons, and whether you're a mom or not, I do think you're going to get so much out of this, because we have this really open conversation about women, what do we need to know about ourselves? How do we need to be prioritizing ourselves? What does that look like? And then for those who are moms with daughters, how do we teach that to the next generation? And so if you're not a childearing woman or you don't have a child that you're raising, hi, I see you. I still got so much listening to this episode and being in it, and I really hope it's helpful for you, and also please share it with a friend who needs it. All right. Here is Traci Peterson. 

All right, Be Ii babe, this is gonna be just a delightful combo, because we already have spent time talking before we hit record. Tracy Peterson is our guest today, and she is a dear friend who I was introduced through you Jessica Papineau. Pretty sure she introduced us and then we got to hug each other in real life in Nashville multiple times as part of an amazing group of BBG, but Traci, you have this wonderful mission. And I hear a lot of people's missions, but whenever you say what your mission is, I 100% believe it will happen the way you desire it to happen. I can feel it in your bones. It doesn't feel fake, it doesn't feel forced. It feels so like it's coming from you in such an authentic place. So why don't you tell everyone who you are and what you're rocking at? 

Traci Peterson 2:31  

Yes, oh my gosh, you're just the sweetest. And I wish I could just give you a big old squeeze right now. Yes. So my mission, what I'm here to do is to help high-performing women and their daughters between the ages of nine and 12 to overcome self-criticism by looking inward and upward for their validation. And all of this started was because I didn't necessarily have that. I think from the outside looking in, people can look at somebody who seems really confident, who seems like they have their life together, they have all the accolades, they have all the accomplishments. But what I am here to tell you is most of the time those women are some of the most insecure people, because I was one, and I have moments where I am one still, and I just got really clear that there were just some patterns of thinking, some of it was generational, and I just hit a point where I knew I didn't want that for myself, but more than not wanting it for myself, I didn't want that for my daughter, and that's when I knew things had to change, and it really all came to a head when my daughter, she's 11 now, she was nine at the time, she came to me, while she didn't come to me, it was just regular after school, you know, hustle and bustle, I was standing at the counter doing dishes or at the sink, she was sitting at the counter and I was doing dishes, and I remember her vividly saying, at the ripe old age of nine years old, Mom, can we do woman lessons? And I was like, woman lesson. Sure. What do you want to know? I'm a woman. We can do lessons. What does that mean to you? And she said, Lesley, so thoughtfully, and I will seriously remember this for the rest of my life. She sighed, and she paused, and she so thoughtfully, said, I need to learn how to put together an outfit. I want to learn how to do my makeup, and I need to learn how to cook. And I was like, that is so sweet. And then in my brain, that high-performing, hyperachieving perfectionist, people-pleasing woman was like, is that all that she thinks that a woman is? Is it what we look like and what we do? And then I was like, is that all that I'm modeling for her to be? And that's when I started getting introspective. And I was like, what are those lessons? What are those things that I want her to learn sooner than I did, to save her the suffering, the struggle, the self-criticism, the self-judgment, the judgment of others, the self-doubt, the people-pleasing, like I want her to learn all of those things earlier so that she can avoid some of that pain that I had to go through. So that's really where it all got started. 

Lesley Logan 5:22  

I think it's like, I don't have any children, but the people around us mirror things to us, even if they're not your child. Like people say things and then the way you respond, and then you're like, hold on, what am I putting off there? Like, how did that happen? And I think we can be curious about that. And it's really cool that your curiosity led you to kind of going, okay, what can we do here? And how can we do this? And I guess it's been two years since that conversation. I want to hear a little bit more about what that has turned into in these two years. But then also, it's kind of hard to start something from scratch.

Traci Peterson 5:53  

Totally. 

Lesley Logan 5:54  

To have a big vision, and then to start it from scratch. So tell us a little bit, what did that curiosity in your mind, of like, what could this be for her? What did that turn into? And then a little bit of your mindset about how it's going. 

Traci Peterson 6:04  

Yeah, no, that's such a great question. What it turned into in that moment? And I called those one minute moments, because I feel like, just like you said, our children are our little mirrors. They are. They're just mirroring and reflecting back to us where we're at. And little did I know at that time that I needed woman lessons. I needed her to ask me that question, to remind myself and to take just a moment to think how far I've come and what I've learned up until that point. And then what legacy do I want to leave behind when I'm not here. And so I really started getting introspective. And I said what are those lessons that I had to learn? And some of them I had to learn the hard way. Most of the time we have to learn, you know, things the hard way. And so I created, and I came up with these seven woman lessons to look inward and upward for your validation. So you're not finding your value or your worth or your validation from any other person than from yourself and from your relationship with your Creator. And for me, that's God. So my relationship with God, my relationship with myself, that should be paramount. That should be first and foremost who I look to for guidance, right? 

And so the seven woman lessons that I organized is remember who you are and whose you are, gratitude grounds, own your divine gift, be selfmore, not selfless, you are more than your body, community counts, and live in your potential. Those are the themes as a woman that I had to go through to get to that point of where I was in my life, and I still need to be reminded of those every single day in my life, throughout the course of my life. And then it just started this big vision of what I really wanted to create, and so I wanted to create this container for mothers and daughters where they could come and personally develop together. Because I feel like, to your point of our children being little mirrors and other people being little mirrors of ourselves, I feel like mothers are so well-intentioned, but we inadvertently project our insecurities onto our daughters. 

Lesley Logan 8:26  

Oh yes, and my mom is probably listening, so yes, Mom, you did. And it's okay, because your mom did it to you.

Traci Peterson 8:36  

And I think that that's the whole point, right? It's like we all inadvertently project our insecurities onto that next generation. The way that we avoid that is by constantly progressing. It's constantly being reminded and working on remembering who you are divinely, who God created you to be. It's working on owning your divine gifts and not comparing them with other people, just being more of an observer, right? You don't need to personalize and internalize those things, because, you know, women, we oftentimes tend to compare ourselves to others, and so it's just sitting. 

Lesley Logan 9:15  

And we compare ourselves, sorry to cut you off, we compare ourselves because our parents compared us to others. She's being quiet. She's not bragging, and I don't think it was on purpose to be negative or harmful. It's like trying to set an example so that we could be better humans. But in doing that, it creates a comparison. Oh, I do need to be more quiet like Sally is, and I need to study more like Mary does, and I need to be more clean like my sister is, and so you just become I gotta be all of the things. But I love that. It's like owning your own divine gifts and observing others allows us to go, I'm so good at this, and they're so good at that, and I need that so I can just ask them for help.

Traci Peterson 9:56  

Yes. 

Lesley Logan 9:56  

I don't need to learn that. 

Traci Peterson 9:58  

Yeah. And you know that I think, Lesley, that also comes back to this idea of oftentimes, we also objectify our children, right? Because they're a reflection, at least as parents, we think that they're a reflection of our parenting, they're a reflection of who we are. We're either a good parent or a bad parent, depending on what our children choose or depending on how our children turn out, when, in reality, I believe that our goal should be, as a parent, is helping our child who came pre-wired and pre-determined with certain divine gifts, helping them discover that divine gift, to multiply that divine gift, magnify that divine gift and use that gift in the service of others. And their divine gift isn't what yours is. They're not just going to be this little mini version of yourself and walk in your footsteps and do as you did. And I think that's where true confidence comes from. It's a self assurance. And it's a self trust. And the only way you get to that point is when you help mentor them into their own self trust. And by saying this character trait about you is so unique and it's so special to you, and I love that you're not like so and so I love that you're not like your brother doing this and that, right? And it reminds me of a time, well, ever since I was really, really young, I was celebrated for just some natural leadership abilities that I had, where, even as little as third grade I remember, like, giving speeches and leading tours at my school for superintendent heads of education, and that carried on until I was student body president. I got elected student body president my ninth grade year, and I remember being so excited and walking up behind my group of friends. I'm making air quotes, if you're listening to the podcast, I'm making air quotes my group of friends, and they didn't know that I was there. And I remember walking up to them and hearing them say, Traci thinks she's so great. I didn't even vote for her, anyway. I don't think she's so this and so that, which just ripped me wide open. And I remember going home looking for solace, looking for empathy, right? Even sympathy. And I remember going to my mom and saying hey Mom, why do these girls not like me? Why do these girls have a hard time with me? They're supposed to be my friends. And she said to me, well, we've been talking, and you're too bossy, you're too confident, you're too loud, and it makes people feel uncomfortable. 

Lesley Logan 12:41  

Oh and oh, I'm like, I'm heartbroken for you, because she just validated what they said and not.

Traci Peterson 12:47  

Yes and didn't validate my divine gifts that I was celebrated for all through growing up. Right? I was celebrated for being, quote, bossy, which I feel like is getting stuff done being a master delegator. 

Lesley Logan 13:02  

Well, they always call girls bossy and they call a boy leader. So that's just the thing. 

Traci Peterson 13:06  

Right? 

Lesley Logan 13:07  

You know, there are bossy people out there. My sister, sorry, Lacey, you are listening, was a little bit of a bossy person, but she was like, nope, I'm in charge. And there's ways of coaching. Like, hey, the way you said that, it's a little bit, we love the leadership role you're trying to take. There's other ways to say the same thing. But oh, oh my God, that's so hard.

Traci Peterson 13:26  

I know so hard, because that's the thing you can move people into action. And this thing that I was celebrated for, I was so confused in that moment as this 14-year-old girl, right? Like, wait a minute. So all of these divine gifts that I've been celebrated for up until this point, something's wrong with them, which means something's wrong with me, which means now it's my job to make other people feel comfortable. The thing that those girls were saying or thinking about me matters more than what I feel and think about myself. And so that sort of perpetuated, you know, this.

Lesley Logan 14:08  

Instant insecurity. 

Traci Peterson 14:09  

Instant. 

Lesley Logan 14:10  

Thank you for sharing this story. I mean, it's those little things. And look, no one is perfect, so I'm not here to, like, game up on your mom, but it's the, it's just those little moments of just a different way of saying something could have changed everything. But since that went that way, coming full circle to when your daughter was like, I want to do women lessons, and you're like, that's what you think. Am I doing that? I think all of us, women, even the most confident ones, have moments of insecurity, because it's, you know, it's the thing that you are so worried that people are going to say, I worry so much as a writer about my grammar. And of course, the first negative comment I got on my book was like, this is a great book, but the poor punctuation was distracting. It took me 48 hours of just like hearing that in my head over and over again to finally get angry enough to go it's a good thing I'm not an English major teaching you English. This book is about Pilates business. So take the business stuff out of it. And, you know, add your commas where you need to.

Traci Peterson 15:03  

And isn't that crazy that that is natural, human nature, that we don't hold on to the 15,000 positive comments, (inaudible) but one. One negative.

Lesley Logan 15:14  

Yes, we do. We totally do that. This is the story that you remember about your freshman year. I'm sure there was all these other great people around who were not your in air quotes, friends, because whatever, there's people by you, but they voted for you. We don't remember that those people voted for you, or that those people like that you were bossy and a leader and all these things. It's, we do hang on to that, and there's scientific reasons for this, but it is something that I'm sure that I listen to those seven things we're talking about with being this divine woman. If you and your mother-daughter movement can actually teach the moms this help them with their own insecurities, then the way they raise their daughters can actually change. And to go, you know, not everyone's gonna like you. That's okay, because not everyone's gonna like this gift you have. But the only way to say that is to be able to own your own gifts and know that not everyone's gonna like you.

Traci Peterson 16:03  

Yes, yes. And that's exactly it. All that I wish, all that I wish, looking back, that I wish you would have done in that moment, is to say, oh, Trace, I'm so sorry. That can be so hard when people say things like that. But listen, not everybody is going to understand your gifts and celebrate them. Those are not your people. Those are not your people. And I promise you that as you step into those gifts, as you develop them, as you multiply them, as you magnify them, your people will be attracted to you, and those will be your people. It may be a lonely road, and you may only have just a super small group of people that get you, but hold on to those people, because they get you, but not everybody will. And that's okay. That's okay. And just know I get you. I see your gifts. God sees your gifts, because he gave those to you and he entrusted you with those. Go and shine them bright for other people, but not everybody is your people, and that's okay. And it took me, Lesley, until I was 35 years old, to find my people. It took me until I was 35 I mean, 20 years. 

Lesley Logan 17:12  

You know what? Here's the thing. That to me, sounds normal. I listen to (inaudible) podcast. It's like a Q&A podcast. And I'm sure there's other podcasts that are like this. I've even heard on (inaudible), the women who write in, who talk about the friend that they've had forever who's causing problems with the wedding that they want to have or where they want to have it. And she's like, you know, we don't have to keep people around forever. This friend doesn't sound like a friend if they're getting mad about these things. And it's this weird, interesting thing where we think we have to keep the friends we had forever, and there's something wrong with us if we didn't. But to me, if you found your people at 35 that's freaking cool, because first of all, our frontal part of our brain doesn't even develop you guys until you're in your early 20s. So yeah, that's another episode to talk about. Our children, actually adults at 18, because the brain doesn't develop till it so that was nine years of having this full brain and figuring out who you are and finding those people. I think that's really cool, because I moved several times. I moved to go to college, and I had to find people, and I didn't ever really felt like I belonged there. Then I moved again to LA, and I worked at this really cool place, and I had great acquaintances who I hung out with, but I never really felt like I could tell them everything. And then, after five years of dating this one guy, when I broke up with him, I lost everyone, lost everyone, and I was 30 years old, couch surfing off clients and like acquaintances couches, but that's when I learned who my people were, the people who opened up doors for me, people who didn't think I was crazy for leaving someone who wasn't right for me, the people like the fact that I lost friends who weren't even his friends when I left him, I was like, oh, you just liked inviting the couple over. You didn't actually like the me. And so I have some amazing, badass women who are in my life that I met between 32 and 41. So I hope that if when listening, you're hearing that that trace and I were like 30 something before we found good people. And so if you're like, I'm alone, and you're in that 30 to something, 40 range, your people are out there. They're also waiting to find you, and they want someone who sees their gifts, and they want to see your gifts. You talked about knowing who you are, right? So to create this mother daughter movement, what did you do for yourself? Because I guess, like even coming up with these lessons, what did you have to learn about yourself to know what you learned? 

Traci Peterson 19:39  

Yeah, that's a really good question. And I think because right around that age of 35 is when I really stepped into entrepreneurship. So I really had to get over what people thought of me, because you have to consider like, up until that point, I was, like, a total people-pleaser, right? And so I went to school, I got a master's degree I was a nurse practitioner, like really accomplished in a lot of different things, sing the national anthem at sporting events, outward accolades to try to find my worth, because I had this whole big thinking that something was wrong with me, right? So I had to collect all these accolades in order to try to make me feel like I had value, or I was worthy of it, or that I felt like I was enough, like that I was good enough. And so it really started when I stepped into entrepreneurship. Because when you step into entrepreneurship and just putting yourself out there, even from a sales perspective, you really have to develop patterns and habits and systems and structure. And that's really when I stepped into personal development a lot. And I didn't even know the personal development world even existed, which is crazy, like at 35 being, you know, having, like, a master's degree and being educated. I had no idea. And I had to just really stop caring what they said. You know, I think the they in our lives can really derail our lives if we allow them to. Because it's like, what will they say? What will they think? And it's like, who are the they anyway? 

Lesley Logan 21:15  

That is the best question. Who are the they, because if you can actually give the they a name, you actually realize that person's never gonna buy from me, that person's never gonna be my friend. So why do I care what they, that person, that specific person thinks? But we put a there and allows us to, like, procrastinate and figure out more things that are wrong with ourselves.

Traci Peterson 21:35  

Yeah, and what if the day was that one little editor who gave your opinion, you're like, well, wait a minute, that editor isn't even in my target audience. I don't even care, and he's not my person. You know? It really, truly doesn't matter. But when I got to this point, when I was laying out these woman lessons, some of them came to me pretty quickly, because actually, to my mother's credit, one thing that she did really teach me and teach me well was she always would say before I left the house, Tracy, remember who you are when I was young, young, young. She would say it. When I was running out the door with friends in high school. It's like, Tracy, remember who you are. And it was just that one minute moment that made me stop and think, who am I? Who do I want to be? Who am I becoming? She gave that to me. Even remember who you are as I was going off to college, right? Remember who you are as I went through a divorce. It was all of those things. Remember who you are. So that came really easy, the strategy that gratitude grounds you, that came through that entrepreneurial process. It's not living in the past and reliving some negative things that you don't have necessarily control over. It's not worrying about the future that you have very little to say with, like, oh my gosh, what it is to come, you can't foresee the future. So why live in an anxiety type mindset in the future? You just need to be grounded in gratitude in the present. And I think as high-performing women, sometimes we're always focusing on the future, because it's like, what's our next goal? What's our next accomplishment? What's the next thing we're working on? That when I talk with high-performing women, they're like, I just want to feel present. And I think that's probably what Pilates gives. You're finally grounded in your body, and you're living in the present moment. There's nothing in the past, there's nothing in the future. There's only the here and now. And that shifted everything, and it brings you in touch and in tune with your body, which I think a lot of times women get so disconnected from what their body is telling them that it just gives them a moment to do that. We talked about owning your divine gifts. That comes into that story that I shared with you is not wanting my gifts to be anybody else's. But I believe that sometimes those labels that we're given, whether we're given those by peers. I mean, we all know that one kid in school, right who said something about my thumbs like somebody said that I have ski jump thumbs. And so for years I walked around like, tucking my thumbs in. You know, it's like (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 24:06  

I forgot a girl called me a really terrible word name about my lips. So I walked around like this with my lips in. And my dad was like, what are you doing? Because I was walking around like this, and I told him, and the thing that he said back was also not great, so I couldn't repeat that to her either, so it wasn't helpful, but it's really funny, because it became such a thing that I was so conscious of, but it's that thing that everyone loves about me, so, like, it's this weird thing that people pick up on, oh my God. I worked at the store, and this guy came in to the store and goes, oh my God, you know who you look like? You look like Marilyn Manson, that's what he said to me. And I was like, okay, thanks. What do you say to that? Right? A year later, I'm having a really bad day. My AC broke in my car. I'm driving home. I'm in traffic, my windows rolled down, and this girl goes, oh my God, you look like Marilyn Manson, I swear to God. How is it even possible? Wasn't even possible when, also I got so many compliments about how beautiful I was all the time. But do I remember who told me I was beautiful? No. I only remember the girl in the car and this other person. And so it's this really funny thing, and we make ourselves smaller. You hide your thumbs. I hid my lips because of these weird labels people gave us that are not the labels we were actually born with, divinely given, and that we own, you know?

Traci Peterson 25:28  

Exactly. And I think that the labels oftentimes that we're given can be so limiting, but we can actually become liberated from them if we just reframe them. So whether you're bossy, right? I'm just a master delegator. If you've been told as a woman, oh, you're too emotional. No, you're just incredibly empathetic. If we can just reframe some of these labels, we can actually become liberated from them. 

Lesley Logan 25:54  

We need expert marketers to take the labels. So I bet you between chatGPT and other thing. And the different thesauruses, everyone. We can come up with different labels with the thing that you have been told is your downfall, which is really the thing that you're so unique. The only reason people want you to take it down is because it's shining too bright. 

Traci Peterson 26:15  

Yes, exactly. It's shining too bright. And something that I say is that the world sees your different as difficult, but God sees your different as divine. He gave you those beautiful, luscious lips for a reason, right? It's a defining characteristic of you. When I think of you, I think of your beautiful lips with your bright pink lip color, that is your uniqueness. That is part of I mean, I don't know if you think it is, but it is. It's a part of your brand. It's a part of who you are. And so the thing that somebody is labeling that makes you difficult or hard or different is actually what makes you unique and divine. And so working through some of those things. And just in the vein of the reframing, one of the most difficult lessons that I actually avoided putting in for a really long time, it's because it was a big behemoth. Nobody knows how to talk about it, and that was you're more than your body. And it probably is the one that was my biggest hurdle, my biggest sticking point, and I think it's because I had tackled and conquered and overcome all of the other things like be selfmore, not selfless. Is like making yourself a priority, becoming the biggest, best and brightest version of yourself, and not limiting yourself or playing small, right? It's identifying what your boundaries are, and not just making boundaries, but keeping them. And I think people have a hard time keeping them. I've done that. I mastered that. I conquered that beast that you are more than your body.

Lesley Logan 27:55  

That is hard for so many levels of so many things. Because I'm thinking of my friends who, like, absolutely fucking love their bodies, and they actually use their bodies to market. That's their thing. They're not shallow about they love their body so much. But also, as a Pilates instructor, I never market that I'm gonna help you lose weight, or anything like what you're gonna look like, or that you're gonna have a Pilates body. Because everybody is a Pilates body. We all have different bodies. But also, I remember my husband and I were in a motorcycle accident. Somebody stopped short, and I fell off the motorcycle, and the first thing I thought was like, oh, my God, am I (inaudible) work? Because my body, right? There's the look of the body, there's the feeling of the body, there's the that is. 

Traci Peterson 28:37  

The functionality of the body. 

Lesley Logan 28:38  

That is a behemoth. I think that would take me the rest of my life.

Traci Peterson 28:42  

Yeah, and honestly, I was afraid of it. And if I'm being completely honest with you, when I was developing some of this curriculum, I was still in it, like I was still in it, the turning point for me was when I woke up one morning and I remember lying in my bed and my eyes opened, and the first thing I did was lift up my shirt to look at my stomach, because that was always my indicator. It's body checking. It's an eating disorder component where you body check, and I would know, depending on how my stomach looked, was I good yesterday, or was I bad yesterday, looking down at my stomach and standing up and the barrage of self-criticism, negativity, self-loathing that was on replay in my brain. I was like, whoa. I would never, ever and as a mother, it makes me emotional, because I would never, ever talk to my daughter that way. I would never let my friend talk to herself like that and speak to herself that way. So why was it okay for me to talk to myself that way? And that's when I knew that the thing that you want to avoid in your life is the thing that you have to walk through. You have to go through it. You have to barrel through it, bust through it. You can't avoid it. You can't go around it. You have to go through it in order to grow, and in order to help other people. And I know I'm not the only one, it was that point where I was like, okay, I'm going to tackle this. I'm going to tackle my relationship with my body, I'm going to tackle my relationship with food. And from the outside in, nobody would think that I ever had body issues.

Lesley Logan 30:29  

Those of us who had them, and then we think we've worked it out, are very good at hiding those things. 

Traci Peterson 30:35  

Oh, for sure. 

Lesley Logan 30:36  

So that's how you know, but you still have it, because you're still doing it, but you're so good at hiding it. 

Traci Peterson 30:40  

Oh, yeah for sure. And I mean, good heavens. Lesley, I went on my first diet when I was 15 years old. 15 years old. 115 pounds. I was 115 pounds when I came to my mom, and I said, Mom, I want to feel comfortable and confident for my dance that's coming up in three weeks. How can I do that? And my mom, she was just doing what she was taught. She said well, I can make bigger salads. And so I went on my first diet and started eating more salads. Why? Because that's what I saw her do. Three weeks before any event or anything she would diet. That's what she saw her mom do, any time before a big event, she would diet.

Lesley Logan 31:24  

And also, every magazine we've gone through all this stuff, and even to this day, my publicist no longer sends them to me anymore because she knows it just makes me angry. They're like, what are three Pilates exercises you could do to burn belly fat? I'm like, you can't do any, zero, none. I don't know your hormones, I don't know what you're eating. I don't know what your genetic predisposition is. And also, like, you don't spot-train, but every magazine for decades that was shoved in women's faces, your mom, your grandma, it is generational, and so it is a behemoth. And so I can understand why it'd be the last thing you'd attack. Because really, if you attack that first, you still wouldn't have mother daughter lessons yet, because you'd be still there. Because go to the other stuff first to build the confidence to even get to that point.

Traci Peterson 32:07  

Totally and that's the thing is I went on this two-year journey where I had to just get really honest with myself and look at myself in the mirror. But it wasn't going to stop me from moving forward, because it was through that process of and here's the thing, so going through the thing that you don't want to do, I intentionally put on weight, like I intentionally went into a build and it was the theme that I was the most scared of. I feared it so bad. I feared gaining weight. I feared getting fat. I feared that for whatever reason. And I did it in a controlled way, with the plan, with the program to put on muscle, but it required a total brain F, like it was just a total opposite way of thinking, where my entire life was. I step on the scale, and it must be lower. And my goal for this was I needed to step on this scale and weigh more, and that meant success. That meant that I was following the plan. That meant that I was moving towards my goals. And I did it. I did a 13-month build with a coach, and it was so amazing. But my goal was not just to put on weight. My goal, ultimately, at the end of it Lesley, was to love my body at every stage. That was my goal. My goal wasn't 16% body fat 18, but whatever it was, it was, I want to learn to love my body at every single stage. Because my body is not necessarily going to be in this form when I'm 60 years old or 70 years old. Now that doesn't mean it's a friggin free for all. And I also push back against some of that, because I was told earlier in my life, oh, once you have kids say goodbye to your six pack, your body will never be the same. This is all programming and projection that people put on you right? You have the power. You have the power to decide what you want your body to look like, how you want your body to feel, how you want to function. It's a choice. It's an absolute choice. But I went through this to learn to love my body at every single stage, and I will never forget the last four weeks of my programming, 13 months in, like, just going for it and talk about reframing right, labels becoming limits. I gained 13 pounds, which is a, I mean, that's a lot on a 5'5" frame. I was juicy. I wasn't fat, like I had to reframe, right? I was juicy. And I have to tell you, my little eight year old son would come and pat my butt every day. He's like, Oh, mommy, you're bummed, you know? And it was like, so funny. I was like, I was juicy. He was loving the juice. But anyway, and my husband do, not just my little eight year old son, but I remember at the end of these four weeks, you know, they talk about gains, right? Because we were lifting like I was trying to put on muscle, but you have to put on a little bit of fat to do that, but I was trying to put on muscle. And the biggest gains that I had in the last four weeks had nothing to do with my physicality and had everything to do with my mentality, because I was going on a cruise with my daughter, and it was the first time in my entire life that I wasn't the leanest one on the trip, that I didn't have my six pack. And I had a decision. I had to decide, because that was my identity, that's who I always was, right? And I had to decide, am I going to hide? Am I going to cover up? Am I not going to be in pictures? Because I quote-unquote, don't feel like my best self, or don't feel as confident in my skin per se. I had to make a conscious decision, because I know that I am more than my body, my spirit is bigger than any vessel that I could be wearing for whatever reason, because there may come a point in my life when I'm sick and I can't exercise, or I'm injured or and I can't and I can only do whatever it is that I can do. And I remember going on that trip and I wore all the swimming suits. I made it a point to take every single picture. Why? Because I would want my daughter to do the same thing. And I wanted my daughter to see that I can have just as much confidence in myself being 13 pounds heavier or 13 pounds lighter, and it doesn't change who I am. It doesn't change my value. It doesn't change how I show up with other people in conversations or on a cruise, and we did all the water slides and the tallest water slide in the world, and all those things together. And I know somebody listening might be like, man, like we're kind of talking a lot about bodies, you know, but for me, that was a turning point in my life.

Lesley Logan 36:58  

Well. And here's the thing, like, if that's not their behemoth, then of the other six things that you have, it might be something different for someone else. Maybe they grew up in a family where they were always more than their bodies. I'm thinking back to you guys to listen to the episodes with Jenny Schatzle. She is all about changing the conversation, and she's like, wear the damn bathing suit. Just wear it. Just wear it. Don't miss out on life and experiences because of, like, where you are on the scale. And she always she also has a thing where she's like, don't miss out on 95% of life to weigh five pounds less. So I hear you, because that would be a behemoth for me than the journey that I've had. So I feel much better about being more than my body today at 41 but it took me a long time. And so for those who are like, that's not you, go back and listen to the other things she said and see which one is harder, because that might be your behemoth. And I think it's okay to put at the end, so that you can get the confidence of all the other things, of who you are and what you are, and being selfmore, and maybe being selfmore is your behemoth. But doing all that, I think it's beautiful. I mean, we could talk for hours, because I think it's really beautiful what you're doing. And I do think like changing the next generation comes from changing the generation that you are now. How the parents are raising the children is what the children are going to take out there. So anyways, we're going to quickly take a break and then find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. 

All right, Traci, where can they get this list and more information so that they can work on this for themselves? 

Traci Peterson 38:26  

Yes, oh my goodness. So I'm going to give anybody who wants it access to a proven method to regenerate your energy and learn to make better boundaries and keep those boundaries. So it's called My Energy Generator Guide. So we'll include that in the show notes. But you can also go to Tracipeterson.com so Traci's with an I, Peterson's with an O-N and get all the information about our mother daughter retreats coming up that we do. If you're a high-performing mom with a daughter between the ages of nine and 12, we would love to see you. We do our events out in Utah. It's gorgeous. It's beautiful. We have an event in June. I know by the time this airs, we'll have our next one coming up in June. So we would love, love, love to see you. But also, on my podcast, we have a podcast called Woman Lessons podcast, how to be and raise a truly confident woman. So I love, Lesley, I just love your platform. I mean, you have to, you know, see it to be it. And going back to what you just said before, I believe that the greatest gift we can give our children is the gift of a mother who believes in herself and goes after her dreams. 

Lesley Logan 39:33  

1000% 1000%. 

So the bold, executable, intrinsic target steps it can take to be it till we see it. I mean, if you're a mom, it's that. But what other tips do you have for us?

Traci Peterson 39:50  

Well, in that Energy Generator Guide that you can find down in the show notes, it is a step by step guide for you to go through. Because if you've ever felt overwhelmed, if you felt burnt out as a mom, this guide literally walks you through step by step by step. So it talks about writing down your top three values and how to get to those in a very succinct manner, and then calendaring those into your calendar. And then three, this is the sticker, is how to have a conversation with your family, with your spouse, with your children, about your said values. Because sometimes I think we know what we value, or, hey, we want to go to the gym again, so I'm going to the gym. But there's conversations that sometimes need to happen, explaining the why behind why you're doing it, so that you can get those people on board. And what's awesome about this energy generator guide is you can then turn around and do it for your daughters. They can walk through it, identifying their top three values. And guess what Moms, it's going to be surprising, because they might be doing some things that they don't really love because they just think you want them to, and it's really not serving them best. And so it opens up that doorway of how to have that conversation. And we call it a values check in. It's like a key statement, Hey, Mom, can we do a values check in? And it's, what is your calendar look like? What activities are we involved in and are these serving you on a higher level? And if they're not, what adjustments do we need to make in order for you to be living in alignment with those values? Because that's how they're going to feel fulfilled and happy, and that's how you're going to feel fulfilled and happy as a woman, and you want to make sure to pass that right along to them, but it's very much like a sequential step by step, and it might feel a little robotic at first, and that's okay, because many of us have never even done it before. Many of us don't even think that we deserve to take time to do something for ourselves. And so it really lines it out beautifully and in a succinct, actionable way. But it's a whole worksheet. Literally, it's the entire it's not only the worksheet, but it's five different steps in a worksheet format. So you can literally do it right away. 

Lesley Logan 42:09  

Oh, I love all these things, and I think this is so fun. So thank you for this vulnerable, authentic conversation. I feel like there's a lot of women, even if they're not moms, like nodding along. So hey, ladies, you have to share this with your mom friends. This is how they need to hear this. And even if you don't have daughters, like, check in with your values and make sure they're in your calendar like that is something I say all the time. So that is how you be it till you see it, by the way. If your values are not in your calendar, you will not see any of the things you want to be it doesn't work like that. So Traci, thank you so much. Everyone, share this podcast with a friend who needs it, and then make sure that you let Tracy know what your takeaways were. Tag her on Instagram. Tag the Be It Pod. We can't wait to hear how you be it till you see it. And thank you so much. 

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 43:35  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 43:40  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 43:44  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 43:51  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 43:54  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

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Lesley Logan kicks off the second FYF of the year with a celebration of progress, no matter the size. Hear inspiring wins from a dedicated listener who overcame challenges to build a thriving business, even amidst personal trials. Lesley also shares her commitment to self-care after a whirlwind tour, reminding us that small acts of self-prioritization are worth celebrating. Tune in for motivation to keep moving forward and celebrate your journey, step by step.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Incredible achievement of scaling the world’s 14 highest peaks and the inspiration it offers.
• Joanne’s inspiring journey of balancing personal trials and professional success.
• The importance of celebrating small acts of self-care as meaningful wins.
• A reminder to acknowledge progress, even amidst life’s challenges.
• The power of keeping momentum with a forward-focused mindset.

Episode References/Links:

• Adriana Brownlee - https://beitpod.com/drianrownlee
• Move Free From Pain by Joanne Sutton - https://a.co/d/fdPzGbs

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Lesley Logan 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:48  

Hello. Be It babe. Welcome back to another Friday. Oh my God, we're already in the second Friday of this year. And you know what I'm gonna say? I'm gonna say what everyone's saying, the year is flying by. Thank God. You know what? Whether it's good or it's bad, sometimes it's good that we're just flying through it, as long as you're taking time for yourself. And I will say you should celebrate listening to this episode as a win, because this episode is the time where we celebrate people's wins. When we celebrate people's wins, we are being present. We are taking time to hold space for the work and effort that other people have done, including ourselves. Because sometimes you'll hear your own FYF, and it's inspiring to hear what people are doing, which is why we added a new segment in because I want to just shout out like women who've inspired me on the internet, including yourself. It could be you one day, it could be you, who knows. So don't worry, these will stay short, but this one is 23-year-old Adriana Brownlee becomes the youngest woman to scale the world's 14 highest peaks. So we've actually interviewed the first woman to ever scale this top seven K2s. But this woman scaled the 14 highest peak, which is like not even one per continent. It probably could be multiple in a continent. So Adriana Brownlee quit university and decided to climb mountains instead, big mountains. And she has ticked off the boxes as in the world's tallest mountains. The 23-year-old eventually became the youngest woman to climb the world's 14 highest peaks. Let this be a reminder, all paths are different. Choose yours, trust it and work hard. Yes, yes, I'm into that. Yes, I love that so much. I mean, my goodness, university is great for people it's great for. And whatever you are out there doing on this earth, whatever you're trying to educate yourself for, whatever you're working on, is great. We all get to have different paths. And we can be inspired by others. And sometimes you can be so inspired you're like, why that sounds cool. I want to do that. And if Adriana does that for you, fabulous. And if not, freak, that's so cool. 23 years old, and she did that. I mean, may we all do something that challenges us in a great way. And if school isn't challenging for you, you can do something else. 

Lesley Logan 2:45  

All right, so today's win of yours, this one I'm really excited about. We haven't heard from this person in a bit, which you'll hear why, and I want you to see yourself in this win, because I know that many of you listening are dealing with things at home that we know nothing about, and they're not taking a few days, they could be taking a few years. So Joanne Sutton, she's an Agency member for many years. She lives in Australia, and she said, for the past three and a half years, I've been caring for my mom, who has serious health issues. This year, she has been hospitalized five times in seven months, and her last day was seven weeks when I visited her twice daily and took her food. After an amazing call with LL, I'm celebrating what I have still been able to achieve in my business during this very stressful and exhausting time, including being woken up multiple times during the night. If you have a lot going on in your life, hopefully you can see what is still possible. Many times, I wanted to give up, but I've still managed to write a fortnightly blog post and newsletter, keep teaching my one-on-one clients virtually via Skype. And last week, I taught 29 clients, the most I've ever taught for many, many months, had the second largest quarter financially in July, August and September, since I started teaching virtually four and a half years ago, and my mom was in the hospital during this quarter. Wrote a book about becoming pain-free through Pilates that launched on Amazon in February of this year and became a bestseller. Filmed two videos per month for my on demand library. I'm so grateful to be an agency member. I know I couldn't have continued to all of this without the support of LL, Brad and the Agency team. Joanne, you have freaking done a lot. And yes, she has a bestselling book, and it's really, really amazing. You should check her out. It's hard when things are going on that are outside of your thing that you're working on, you're like, come on, I'm working on this thing over here. And then we can feel bad about feeling resentful, and we can feel exhausted and we can wonder, but you know what, what's kind of crazy is when you're really busy and you have goals, you still manage to get things done. You just don't always have a time to celebrate it. So I just want to say, Joanne, thank you for taking time to celebrate with us so that we can all go, Oh my God. I have had some crappy shit going on the last seven months, and I still managed to do that. That's what this episode is for. That's what it's for. So thank you. 

Lesley Logan 4:45  

All right, quick win of mine, I have been home for not even 24 hours by the time that this actually releases, maybe just 24 hours, and I'm so proud. The first thing I'm doing is getting a Pilates session in. I did that today. Getting my hair done. Yes, a win can be just self-care. It can actually just be showing up, because, you know what? I have a million things to do, so much to catch up on. I could tell you, when I'm on tour, I can barely keep up with a lot of the work that I normally do. I can only basically do the promo of the tour, teach the tour, and then sleep and hopefully get my workout in right. There's not a lot I could do outside of that, because it's just really hard to take calls. There's no signal. Sometimes internet doesn't work. Everything takes a little longer than you want, and so when I come back, I could literally go through the 17 million packages that showed up while we were gone, but we're not instead, I did my Pilates session, getting my hair done. Win, win, win. That's me. So you guys, it is my birthday month. I will have more wins coming up as I celebrate 42 but we're not there yet. 

Lesley Logan 5:44  

So today I'm going to end this with your affirmation, keep moving forward. Keep moving forward. I don't know where this deck is. This one was gifted to me by Monica Linda, one of my dearest friends, and it's just keep moving forward. So, thank you all so much. You know what to do until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:06  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 6:49  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 6:54  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 6:58  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 7:05  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 7:09  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Brad Crowell and guest co-host, Clare Solly, explore key insights from Lesley’s conversation with Chriss Janssen, life coach and author of Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want. They discuss how to stop tying happiness to outside approval, why adaptability fuels success, and the power of showing up despite perfectionism or setbacks. Listen in to learn how to refocus on commitments and sidestep self-sabotage.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why linking happiness to others’ approval sets you up for failure
• How to be flexible in handling life’s unexpected twists.
• Focusing on commitments instead of fleeting motivation.
• Adjusting rules to serve your outcome instead of hindering it.
• Remembering your 'why' when the going gets tough.

Episode References/Links:

• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat - https://lesleylogan.co/retreats
• Cambodia October 2025 Waitlist - https://crowsnestretreats.com 
• Flashcards Waitlist - https://opc.me/flashcardwaitlist
• Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/accelerator
• Lesley's Birthday Surprise - https://opc.me/birthday
• Chris Janssen Coaching – https://chrisjanssencoaching.com
• Clare Solly – https://claresolly.com

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

We should ditch the rule of "I'm measuring my happiness based on how people like me." Ditch the rule and just go after the outcome of "I'm going to be happy."

Lesley Logan 0:13  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Brad Crowell 0:55  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, obviously, I'm Brad here today with a very special guest of ours who's stepping in for LL, Clare Solly, one of Lesley's best friends, who has been both a guest on the pod and been a recap host many times now, she's an author and actor. She's LL's slingshot friend, if you remember from Episode 19. She lives in New York City and generally kicks ass and takes names. Clare, welcome, welcome back.

Clare Solly 1:23  

Thank you. Thank you. The kicking ass list is very long these days, so I'm glad to be here. I'm so excited. I love this pod. And you know, long time listener and I'm always delighted to jump in.

Brad Crowell 1:36  

Well, thanks for doing that. Today, we're going to dig into the grounded conversation that LL had with Chris Janssen in our last episode. If you have not yet listened to that, feel free to pause this today, right now. Go back, listen to that, then come back and join us. Honestly, it's an incredibly heartfelt episode. She comes across as so kind and thoughtful.

Clare Solly 1:56  

Yeah, I just want to, like, get a blanket and snuggle in and, like, listen to her talk.

Brad Crowell 2:00  

Yeah, and I'm very intrigued by her book. I'm intrigued by her journey. It's worth going back checking that out. But before we get started today, we got a couple things. Clare, why don't you tell us about today? 

Clare Solly 2:12  

WNational Word Nerditations, everyone, officially, Today is January 9th and it's National Word Nerd Day, which, if you know me in person, I totally am a word nerd. We celebrate National Word Nerd Day by enthusing about our favorite words, which is magnanimous and the importance of language in our culture, and whether you know what to say or always have a foot in your mouth, words are essential to success and progress, and word nerd day gives us the opportunity to learn some new words. So go flip to a page in the dictionary and find a word you don't know and celebrate Word Nerd Day.

Brad Crowell 2:49  

Yeah, I love that. I just typed what new word should I learn today? And (inaudible). Okay, okay, this is kind of funny. All right. Berate, this is Google's AI, berate, beseech, bestow, cease, butthurt. Really? I didn't know that was formally a word now. I thought it was two words. Apparently it's one word.

Clare Solly 3:19  

There you go. Learn something new everyday.

Brad Crowell 3:21  

Humblebrag, one word, apparently. I thought that was two words. Touch grass. That is two words, come on Google, fail, fail, fail. That's hilarious. I'm all about words myself. I think my vocabulary grew dramatically because I was a avid reader when I was a kid, and it's so funny. I just started listening to another book, and I had to slow it down because the author is on another level of words and our normal vernacular that we use all the time. I can listen to that at like, times two times three speed, and I can process the information, no problem. But I cannot listen (inaudible).

Clare Solly 4:00  

(inaudible) so you have to process at high rate of speed.

Brad Crowell 4:04  

But it's funny, because I had to slow it down to like, one five and I was like, man, it's been a long time since I listened to a book this slow, because he's using words that I have to think about before I can understand what he said. And then when you're trying to do that, you missed the next thing. I'm a big fan. I love it. I think reading will change all that. But before we get to Chris Janssen and we got a couple amazing things, here's what's coming up in the LL, the Brad future and the dogs here, although they don't get to join us for this first thing, we're going back to Cambodia in February. 

Clare Solly 4:34  

Yay. 

Brad Crowell 4:36  

Yeah, I'm so excited to just slip out of (inaudible) Lesley and I are gonna hop on a plane. We're gonna fly over there and prep everything for our upcoming retreat. We have an incredible group of amazing women coming with us, and one good man actually it's the son, so it's gonna be a mom-son coming. Yeah, that's gonna be really cool. And apparently he's a traveler, as it is, so I think mom's very excited that the two of them are gonna be able to share this trip together. But February is only, I think, five weeks away right now. There is still time to come. If that's something you're interested in doing. I know it's a bit short for an international trip to the other side of the world, so we have just made the announcement that Cambodia in October is also going to be happening, but it's only being announced to people who are on the waitlist. Since you're listening to this, and you might not be on the waitlist. I'm going to tell you how to find it. Go to crowsnestretreats.com crowsnestretreats.com and you will actually see all the information on there. We are running a special offer. So if you're curious about what that actually looks like, it will be on the October retreat. There is a window for that, so don't wait. Go check that out right now. As you heard us talking about through November and December, Lesley was in Los Angeles doing the accessories, flash card deck photo shoot. And man, it was the journey. We crashed with some friends that were like five minutes away from the studio, and Lesley spent an entire week busting up the guillotine. I mean, it was crazy. All the things. We had some amazing photo shoots there, and it was a lot of fun. And we can't wait to share those with you on the upcoming deck that's going to be coming out during the summer, this summer, for the accessories flash card deck. It's the last one of six decks. Go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist opc.me/flashcardwaitlist, and we'll give you the biggest hookup that we ever offer for people, only the people on the waitlist get the hook up on this, and it's a nice discount. So make sure you do that now. This is my world here. If you are feeling stuck in your Pilates business, I can't wait to share with you three massive secrets that Lesley and I have learned after coaching more than 2500 businesses, small businesses just like you over the past seven years, because Profitable Pilates just turned seven this month. I can't even believe that. 

Clare Solly 6:48  

Wow. 

Brad Crowell 6:49  

I'm now offering a webinar. It's been amazing to share this information and also just connect with additional Pilates business owners and fitness business owners. But if you're feeling stuck with your money, if you're feeling stuck with getting new clients, then come join me. This is a free webinar. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O, dot biz slash accelerator. And come join me for a free webinar. I'd love to meet you and see how we can support you in what you're trying to do. And then lastly, it's going to be Lesley's birthday at the end of this month. And as you all know, we always make a big deal out of it at the end of January. So stay tuned, because there might just be something special happening over at OPC. Join the countdown. Go to opc.me/birthday, and you'll be the first to get the big reveal. That's opc.me/birthday, but first and finally, before we get to Chris Janssen, Clare, we had an audience question, and the audience was an audience of one. It was the audience of Lesley, and she's like, I'm writing a question for Clare to answer. So what are your goals, and do you set them for 2025?

Clare Solly 8:01  

You know, it's hysterical. It's hysterical that she asked this question of me, and I feel like she sort of set me up to say it, because for years, she and I have talked about like we we don't make New Year's resolutions. We don't make goals. 

Brad Crowell 8:13  

Clearly, she knew this. 

Clare Solly 8:14  

We don't make resolutions, but we do, you know, we have, I think for me, like we used to say it was a goal, and now it's like a focus. I am trying to be more present in my life and just sit in my humanness and go, I'm here to live and to breathe them into experience and whatever. And I actually saw something at the very end of the year, and it was like, go get a jar and at the end of every week, write on a piece of paper, something good that happened to you this week, and then on New Year's Eve at the end of the year go through, or New Year's Day, go through and read all the things I'm not good.

Brad Crowell 8:49  

That's like the coolest advent calendar that isn't an advent calendar. 

Clare Solly 8:53  

Right? I'm not necessarily good at doing, like, the weekly journal entries, or those ones where, like, you have a journal, where you, like, write a sentence every day for five years. Like, I always think that it's a good idea. And then, you know (inaudible).

Clare Solly 9:04  

But then in practice, life lives. 

Clare Solly 9:07  

But I'm gonna put this on, like, in my kitchen so I see it every morning, or I'll make it my Sunday thing. I'll sit down and I'll write out, like, something good that happened. Like, I'll put it maybe an alarm in my calendar or something. 

Brad Crowell 9:18  

That's what I was just gonna say. If it's not on my calendar. It does not happen. And then I also, I use Hey Siri all the time, and she's going to talk to me now, because I just said that, yep. I just say, you know, remind me. And you can make a reminder in your phone. You can make it a weekly, recurring thing. And I believe with the new release on iOS, it actually just inserts it into your calendar as well. 

Clare Solly 9:41  

That'll be, yeah, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna try that. We'll see how it goes. You can have me back next January, and we'll talk about that. 

Brad Crowell 9:48  

We'll keep you posted. That's really cool, because what an awesome tool. And here's what's cool about that, too. It doesn't have to just be like, Okay, throw those ones out and start next year's. You could actually keep those. You could put those, the way I'm imagining it, if you're putting them into a jar, then maybe they're on like, a long, thin piece of paper. You could eventually just put those into a book, you know, and then that could become your journal. Five years from now, you got five years of those once a week. You got 250 of them. I mean, what an amazing way to celebrate life.

Clare Solly 10:21  

And it's funny too, because it's like there are some things we go through day to day that are or week by week, that are little wins, or that feel like they were a gigantic thing this week. But like, you look back in hindsight and you're like, okay, great, I did that. Or you can't even remember when you did it, so I don't know. So now (inaudible). 

Brad Crowell 10:40  

I just imagine passing that along years from now, you know. Like I'm thinking, what if my grandparents did that, you know? And I'm like, I've got this weird window until like 1953, you know, that could be really cool. Anyway, I love it. I think that's a really clever idea. I think the more that we.

Clare Solly 11:00  

Celebrate little things? 

Brad Crowell 11:02  

I was gonna say New Year's resolutions just get me annoyed. We are fighting perfectionism, and I think that the new year's resolution sets us up for failure, because if life lives and something jacks up the week and you forgot to do the thing, what is the first inclination? Blame yourself. I fucked it up again. And instead of that, I feel like I like the guidelines or the goals, you know that aren't this like, I'm gonna start exercising every day. I'm gonna quit drinking for the month of January. I'm gonna whatever it is. I think when we set it as like this concrete thing, it ends up becoming just one more rule that we have to live by.

Clare Solly 11:40  

I mean, I think it's a nice idea, especially for those of us in the northern hemisphere where it's very cold and it's winter, we have nothing else to do but to like, focus on ourselves. But there's only so much nasal gazing, navel, I sound (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 11:55  

How do we gaze up our nasal? 

Clare Solly 11:57  

Navel-gazing that you can do before it becomes like you're just picking at a scab and you're that perfectionist still trying to chip away, and it's like I am who I am at this point. And yes, there are things that could be tweaked, and there are ways I could be healthier, and there are ways that I could do better, but honestly appreciating who I am now. And we always say meeting someone else where they are, but meeting myself where I am right now. Like, let's go there, let's have that (inaudible) 2025 so.

Brad Crowell 12:28  

Hey I love that. That's a good New Year's resolution. Let's meet ourselves where we are. 

Clare Solly 12:32  

Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 12:35  

I love it. Okay, stick around. We'll be right back, and we're gonna get into Lesley's interview with Chris Janssen. 

Brad Crowell 12:42  

All right, now let's talk about Chris Janssen. Chris Janssen is a life coach and author who specializes in assisting high-achieving perfectionists in navigating performance pressure, overcoming self-sabotage and rewriting personal narratives. Her second book, Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want, offers practical tools and exercises to help individuals find meaning in life's uncomfortable events. Passionate about making transformation accessible. Chris guides people through the process of personal growth, empowering them to achieve the life they desire. I love it. 

Clare Solly 13:20  

It was a great, great podcast, like I took so much away from it. So this is gonna, you know, buckle up, go back and listen to it again, like it was so good. One thing she said I really loved was high-achieving perfectionists attach meaning to life, to events and circumstances that are beyond our control. That, again, Lesley and I both claim to be recovering people-pleasers and perfectionists. So the fact that, yes, we attach so much, you know, we tried to go to the grocery store today, and instead we had to answer a phone call or family dropped over. You know, we just had holidays, right? So it's like, so many unexpected things happen, and then arguments arise, conversations arise, and you weren't necessarily ready to handle those because it was the holidays, and you just wanted to be like, happy and live through all that. Or we just talked about goals and resolutions, right? You set out to have a goal and a resolution and life lives, and you just can't stick with what new you know? 

Brad Crowell 14:24  

Or something gets in the way and it blocks that is out of your control. And I think one of the things that Lesley said during the interview was really relevant to the people that we get to coach. She said that, okay, cool. Now my next goal is I'm gonna go out and get four new clients, and that's not in our control. We can certainly do all the things to put ourselves in a position to receive new clients and to connect with people, but we can't make the decision for them to actually be our client. Right? So if we're like, I didn't get four new clients, then you feel like a failure, but that shouldn't necessarily be the thing that, you know, like, what you can control is your messaging, the effort you put in getting it out there, putting yourself in the place where you're going to meet those people. You can control those things, but you can't control them being like, yes, right? 

Clare Solly 15:20  

You can control your output and your reaction, but that's all you can control. Other people rolling around this life are having their own journey, and they have all their own life lifeing happening. I'm feeling that Brad, by the way.

Brad Crowell 15:32  

And timing is so much a part of it. Yeah, yeah, steal it out. Steal away. I don't know where what that, that just happened on the pod at one point, but I don't remember the specific moment. But yeah, I think, you know, there's a lot of shame and guilt associated with failure that isn't necessarily failure, because we can't control those things. So anyway, it's one of those things that we don't actually put our finger on very often, where we're like, hey, wait a minute. I don't have the final say in the events that have unfolded here, but we still blame ourselves for it. So I thought that was really profound, too. I really dug when she was talking about that we make it impossibly difficult to succeed in getting what we want, yet tragically easy to fail at getting what we want. So think about that. We make it impossibly difficult to succeed, yet tragically easy to fail at getting what you want. And she said, yeah, let's talk about happiness. So the rule you set for yourself is to be happy, and the way that you determine your happiness is that people will like you, if people like you, then you're going to be happy. Right? So this goes right back to what we were just talking about, you know, where we don't have control over it, in that the validation that we're looking for, the validation that we're trying to, to what we've defined as success, isn't available for us to lock down, right? That's like setting ourselves up for failure, exactly like she's saying here. We'll make it tragically easy to fail. If that's our measuring stick for being happy, then we're really screwed. But it's funny how often that we do that to ourselves. Chris said something that I wanted her to say, like, two or three more times in a row. Just say it over and over again. We should ditch the rule of, "I'm measuring my happiness based on how people like me." Ditch the rule, and just go after the outcome of, "I'm going to be happy." Right? And that's going to allow us to get all those other things out of the way. I mean, this could be success, right? Like sales, I have to keep selling. This could be again, clients. Our worthiness is determined based on the performance that we're doing or the people that we're helping. That's our measuring stick. What happens after you've taught Pilates for 50 years and you can't teach anymore? What does that mean for you at that point in your life? You know, it's so interesting. This comes down to identity, you know, and what we tie to how we define ourselves internally, and then something will change, you know, what if there's an accident and you can't be doing the things that you're doing anymore, or what if something comes through that changes?

Clare Solly 18:24  

Yeah. And sometimes we change. Sometimes we realize our dreams and our goals are not what we wanted to do. Lesley talks about this all the time, yeah. When I met her, she was going in a direction, and her life changed, and she realized she couldn't go in that direction anymore. And sometimes you can't base your happiness on that measuring stick, right? You have to be both flexible and focused at the same time, but the flexibility sometimes is more important and living life, seeing what rises up for you. 

Brad Crowell 18:55  

Yeah, yeah, totally. Stick around. We'll be right back. We're going to dig into those Be It Action Items. All right. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. Say with me here. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from Lesley's convo with Chris Janssen? I'm gonna jump right in here. She said hey, stick to your commitments. Don't wait for motivation or inspiration. Commit to it. Get in action and just do it. There'll be seasons or days or times when we don't feel like showing up, but that's when we're going to show up anyway and stick to those commitments. So she's talking about sobriety, right? And one thing that I found was so powerful is she said, hey, the perspective needs to be flipped. It's not oh my god, I have to be sober now. Instead, it's, Oh, I get to be sober, you know? And I thought, wow, what an amazing way to look at it, because it gives you permission to be sober. In fact, it's a joy to be sober in that perspective. And when the challenge comes along of, oh, I wish I was drinking or I want to have a drink right now. Now, instead of it being a negative, oh, I just, I have to be fucking sober right now. Instead, it's a positive, no, no, I get to be sober, and that really will help you stick to your commitment. That was super powerful. 

Clare Solly 20:25  

Yeah, I agree. I like that she mentioned focus on your commitments over your craving. So focus on what you want in life. Focus on what you are trying to get and trying to get to. You know, not necessarily that end goal, but what does today look like, and to tweak the tactics and not the goal. So how do I get from point A to B if I can't use the bridge? How do I drive from my house to the grocery store if I can't get to the bridge? Or how? How can I get from the job that I'm in now to being a Pilates instructor without sacrificing my entire life, you know, again, or sobriety, like we have many, many, many options here. Also, I just want to flag. I love that she has been not sober once, but twice. And I love when people come forward with these stories, that we as humans can just sit there in humanness and not necessarily have to live the life that she did, but understanding through her failure, and then reading this book or hearing her talk, and just realize we we don't have to go backwards. Just keep going for I like that she used the word grit, too. Just keep pushing through and get to where you need to go. And whether that's you've experienced it yourself, you're listening to somebody else's experience something parallel to what you're living in. And love that. And I love that. She said something else too, that it's a small shift to get to where you need to be extraordinary. So just loved this. Loved it. 

Brad Crowell 21:48  

I like how these two things kind of go together. It's almost like this yours is like the step before sticking to the commitment. If understanding the permission structure and the framing structure helps you stick to your commitments. Then when that challenge comes along and you're focused on your craving, I want this thing. I need this thing. Or my perfectionism, I have to have it perfectly correct. There is still a moment in there. We have to identify that you're in that moment. And that's when she says, Hey, you have to focus on your commitments. And it's easier to focus on your commitments if you also understand why you're doing it. You mentioned that she was sober two times. When she got sober, the first time, she said, well, there wasn't this rock bottom of like, oh my God, everything exploded. She said, I felt like I needed to do this, and I had kids coming, and that was a enough of a catalyst to make it happen. But then 14 years later, when her kids were in their teens, she was like, I can't really remember why I got sober, because it wasn't this like explosive event in her world that blew everything up. And then when she decided to drink again, that's actually when things went down pretty hard, and she said she did have a rock bottom, and fortunately, she, you know, has someone in her life who was able to support her through that, her spouse, but she said focusing on her why? Yeah, probably would have kept her from choosing to drink again in the 14 years later, because she had forgotten the sparkle of the why that moment. You know, I think that's also another amazing thing that will help you stick to your commitments, is focusing on your why. 

Brad Crowell 21:49  

So, listen, y'all, we think you're amazing. Thanks so much for being here today. I'm Brad Crowell. 

Clare Solly 22:35  

And I'm Clare Solly. 

Brad Crowell 22:57  

Thanks so much for joining. If you want to hear more from Clare, follow her at claresolly.com, that's C-L-A-R-E-S-O-L-L-Y.com. We're so grateful you're here. How are you going to use these tips in your life? Let us know by sending a DM to the pod on Instagram, or leave us a comment on YouTube, or just text us, and we will catch you in the next episode. And don't forget to Be It Till You See It. 

Clare Solly 24:02  

Bye.

Lesley Logan 24:04  

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Brad Crowell 24:47  

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Lesley Logan 24:52  

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Brad Crowell 24:56  

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Lesley Logan 25:03  

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Brad Crowell 25:07  

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Lesley Logan interviews Chris Janssen, life coach and author of Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want. Chris shares her inspiring journey of overcoming perfectionism and addiction to create a fulfilling, purpose-driven life. Learn practical tools to build resilience, reframe self-sabotage, and unlock your potential for extraordinary growth.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Chris’ writing journey and the importance of vulnerability in storytelling.
• How perfectionism shaped her struggles with addiction and personal growth.
• Identifying and breaking unhealthy self-imposed rules for success.
• Reframing obstacles by tweaking tactics, not giving up on desired outcomes.
• Differentiating healthy guilt from harmful shame in overcoming setbacks.
• Lessons from relapse and strategies to rebuild commitment.

Episode References/Links:

• Chris Janssen Coaching – https://chrisjanssencoaching.com
• Grace Yourself Book Release Feb. 18 – https://graceyourselfbook.com
• Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/chris3janssen
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/chrisjanssencoaching
• LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisjanssencoaching

Guest Bio:

Chris Janssen, MA, BCC, is a leading results coach in performance and mindset and bestselling, award-winning author of "Living All In: How to Show Up for the Life You Want." She has worked with hundreds of sought-after professional athletes, singers, dancers, Hollywood writers, artists, authors, soldiers, entrepreneurs, and small businesses internationally to close the gap between where they are and where they want to be. In addition to her academic degrees, Chris was trained by and worked with Tony Robbins on his team of results coaches, the #1 personal development and peak performance strategy company in the world. As a board-certified coach, Chris excels in helping high-achieving perfectionists navigate performance pressure, overcome self-sabotage, re-write narratives, & attach meaning to life events & circumstances beyond our control, through utilizing her successful and sustainable Living All In methods. With a master’s in counseling psychology and 25+ years’ experience, Chris is widely regarded by entrepreneurs and creatives. Her 2nd book, "Grace Yourself: How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want" is available now for pre-order. By pre-ordering you'll immediately receive bonus content Chris created for you and is only making available between now and launch day on March 18, 2025! A California native, Chris lives with her husband since 1995, Scott. They are currently Caliradoans, spliing time between Los Angeles and Castle Pines, Colorado, where they love to ski, golf, be with their horses, and adventure outside. Together they raised three children, now thriving young adults.

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Episode Transcript:

Chris Janssen 0:00  

It is a lot easier to stay sober than to get sober. So I tried it again. I'm an achiever, so I kept thinking. I got this. I can do it. In the book I do share about the last time alcohol got the best of me. I mean, I was passed out and on the ground if my husband wasn't there, I don't know if I would. I mean, it just completely obliterated me.

Lesley Logan 0:24  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:05  

All right, Be It babe. I'm super excited because today's guest, I got to meet in person. You know those moments where you kind of make eye contact with someone, and then later on, you end up in the exact same room as them, and you're like, hey, I already met you, right? So it's kind of like those romcom movies, where they pass each other on the train or whatever, and then they're like in the meeting, right? So Chris Janssen is our guest today. She is the author of the newest, most amazing book called Grace yourself. And I'm just really excited to have this conversation with you, Chris, but I also am so glad we got to meet, we got to have dinner together, like we just kept hanging out all weekend long in Nashville. So Chris, tell everyone who you are and what you rock at. 

Chris Janssen 1:45  

Oh, I'm so happy I met you, I'm so happy I know you, so happy to be on the show. Yeah, I am a life coach, and I have been loving writing books. This is my second book. So really, what I do is I help high-achieving perfectionists navigate performance pressure, overcome self-sabotage, rewrite narratives, that's a big part of what I do, and attach meaning to life events and circumstances, usually those circumstances outside of our control, right? So that's really my niche, and what I love doing, and what I'm very good at. And the books help people do that, and they're full of tools and exercises too, because we all know it's a good idea to do that, but then how do you do it? So I walk people through how to.

Lesley Logan 2:29  

Yeah. Okay, so first of all, I think every listener's ears perked up when you just basically said all the labels that they, this is them, high-achieving, high-performing perfectionism. And I think some of those times, we don't want people to know that about us, so we like to hide those labels as well. And I think we can talk more about that when we get into your book. You've now written two. Can we talk a little about the journey of writing? Because I think a lot of people have a story to share, and something I love about the way you write, I feel like I was sitting down with you the way you write. It's not just conversational. You are sharing your story, but also, I love how you are anticipating what your reader might even be thinking before they think it. So can we talk a little about the journey to write and writing your story specifically? Because that's hard to do. You're sharing things that like, I don't know, maybe people want to keep quiet about themselves. So Kim, how did you do that? How did you go, yeah, here's all the things that I did.

Chris Janssen 3:26  

Yeah, it's embarrassing. Part of it's my age. I'm 55 my kids are all in their 20s, and I, part of it is I don't care as much as I used to when I was in my 30s. Thank you for saying that. I hear that a lot, that my books, my writing, is very conversational. I've always loved writing since I was a little girl. I wanted to be a famous lyricist in Nashville like I wanted to write, but I have no musical talent whatsoever. I can't even clap on beat in church. So that didn't pan out.

Lesley Logan 3:59  

I understand that, too. I used to wait for people to clap and I go okay, let me get on their beat.

Chris Janssen 4:07  

Yeah, oh, I know my husband's like, holds my hands at church. Okay, now. Yeah. I actually, years and years ago, went to a few writing conferences, and I made a stab at writing fiction like fantasy. It was horrific. I was terrible. So I like reading books. But then after I became a coach, I thought, I want all this written down. I won't be here forever, so I'd love this written down, mostly for my kids. And I really, truly love my clients. I love them. So when I'm writing, I'm definitely writing to my clients, and that helps a lot any writer. I was just coaching a writer and saying, you know, this is more about who you're talking to than letting us know your story, and once you're doing that, you're able to be more vulnerable and share the parts of, for me, I could share the parts of myself that, yeah, I would think, theoretically, they'd be pretty embarrassing to share if I'm sharing them, because it's going to help somebody else come out of the dark and take the shame off their stuff. Definitely, I'm going to share it. And then, of course, when I was done writing, I thought, oh my gosh, what have I done? I don't want anyone to read it. But then that passed too, because it's important. It was put on my heart to write in this book, brace yourself, the subtitle's How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want. And it's really mostly about overcoming self-sabotage and being a perfectionist in order to help people with that, I do share how I used to be addicted to alcohol, and I'm not anymore, and how being a high achiever, being a perfectionist played into those habits that were really bad for me. 

Lesley Logan 5:54  

When I was reading the first chapters of your book, guys, I got the sneak peek. First of all, I sat and read them at lunch. So again, that conversationality was, like, really easy for me to flow through and and read that. But why I think it's exciting to talk to you today is I actually think that you could almost insert alcohol and sobriety from any kind of addiction, because the way you talk about is going to spoil (inaudible) I think it's like chapter two, you're like, I had a spreadsheet and I would measure it and I wouldn't do it after five. I had to be after five o'clock, and I, or so on the weekends, I had all these rules. And I was like, I know too many women who do that with food, or they do that with shopping, or they do it with lots of different things. If I have all these rules and it's all under my control, then I can't be an addiction that's controlling me, and clearly that's the story we're telling ourselves.

Chris Janssen 6:46  

Exactly, yeah, and that's a big coaching tool of mine is helping people with the rules they have for getting what they want. The rules are messed up. By the rules we set for ourselves, this is all in the book, we make it impossibly difficult to succeed in getting what we want and tragically easy to fail at getting what we want, right? Let's say, just also pick an easy one. Let's say what I want is to be happy. Well, if the rule I set for myself for being happy is people have to like me, that is a rule that I can't control, because I can't control what people think. So it's outside of my control. So I'm setting myself up for failure. So that could be with alcohol, shopping, anything. Yeah and then, so if we ditch the rule and don't ditch the outcome, don't ditch what we want, stay true to that, then tweak the rule, then we have a shot at getting what we want.

Lesley Logan 7:44  

That okay, that's I love this because, you know, something that I see when I coach a lot of the people in our fitness business program, and even, like the people that I work with on their Pilates practice, they'll say, like, I'm going to get three clients, and it's okay. I love that as a goal, like a rule, but you actually have control of when people decide to sign up with you. You know what I mean. So I like the outcome that you want. We can have that, but I think we need to tweak the how, or the rule or the thing you're doing, because, like, you only have control truly about the actions you take. You don't have control of the people who like this is the time they actually decide in the timeline you wanted to sign up with you. That's what you're talking about, right?

Chris Janssen 8:23  

Exactly. So in that case, it would be, what is it that you really want? Tell me what you want more than the three clients, right? Because, why do you want three clients? What? How will you know when you have three clients? How will you know like when you have, oh, because I'll be happy. Okay, well, maybe let's talk about that. Define happy, then that's probably the bigger one. So the three clients, we're gonna tweak that and not make that a standard, but we're gonna stay true to the bigger one, the being happy, or whatever it is that we came up with. 

Lesley Logan 8:55  

Oh, my God you're even, you're so good, yes, because that is making us distill down, like, what are we really wanting and what do we have control over for that? Yes, okay, so you've been a life coach for a really long time. So you've been seeing people like, helping people figure out what they want in their life for a really long time. Can we talk about becoming a life coach and then the life coach, correct me if I'm wrong, like you were life coaching and still trying to control the drinking at the same time or was it you became a life coach after? Remind me of the timeline.

Chris Janssen 9:27  

Well, the timeline is I got sober in 2007 and was sober for 14 years from alcohol, and so I became a life coach at that time. I enjoyed, yeah, and I, by the way, got to raise my babies. They've never seen me struggle with this. Never seen me drunk. I mean, sobriety gave me such a beautiful life. So I was already a life coach. Then in 2020 we moved to a different state. I had never lived outside of California. We moved to a different state, just like people were in 2020, I was a brand new empty nester. Let's do something new. We moved part time. We were going to split time between these two places, and everything was going so great. I just thought, you know, maybe I'm not alcoholic, maybe I don't have a problem with this. I did drink to normal, lot of stuff that I've worked through now, a lot. I mean, it's hard being a mom of three kids and having three teenagers all at once, and having people in your life that are controlling, and you're so young you don't know how to set boundaries. You don't know, you know. So I'd worked through a lot of stuff in sobriety, and so I got to this place, I thought, why did I quit drinking again? I think I kind of went out on a high note, not a low note. I mean, I don't really love the word relapse. I just call it going out. But I had a drink again, and I decided to try it. And I say I went out on a high. It wasn't like I hit a low and relapse. And that happens a lot, and people don't talk about it enough that high achievers struggle with if it's not alcohol, it's something else. Right? So everything I learned about my life coaching was in sobriety. So I had worked out that perfectionism stuff.

Lesley Logan 11:10  

Yeah, which I mean, okay, that we can talk about that in a moment, because we'd all love to know I call myself a recovering perfectionist, because I feel like recovered would be the perfectionist in me, but okay, I actually think that is something I love about your story, and I thought would be so cool to talk about, because most people, they do go on a low, so they hit a rock bottom, and they have this rock bottom story. And not only is it embarrassing, it's often scary or life changing, like they could have lost it and you didn't have that you were actually, you did. 

Chris Janssen 11:50  

Well, that's the crazy thing Lesley is so I did have a rock bottom with alcohol. My life in every other area was not unmanageable, but it was about to be. This is back when I first got sober in 2007 but I was still holding it all together. Yes, running in the morning, doing all this. But I did hit a bottom where it was that was a about to crumble, and I think it was a spiritual thing. I just thought, I'm gonna find a support meeting. I didn't know anyone alcoholic. No one in my family, believe it or not, my family, my parents, their parents, all my ancestors. They did not drink alcohol. They were just from the south. Very religious. They were teetotalers. So I didn't know. I didn't know. I don't even know if it runs in my family.

Lesley Logan 12:35  

Yeah. Okay. Thank you for correcting me. And then in 2020 you tried it again, but how did you make the decision to quit again? Did you use? 

Chris Janssen 12:45  

I hit another bottom. Yeah, it is a lot easier to stay sober than to get sober. So I tried it again, and I tell this whole story in the book in a pretty concise way, but I'm an achiever, so I kept thinking, I got this, I can do it. That episode didn't work out though I wanted it to. We'll try it again. You know, I just kept giving it my all. Yeah, and I do share that's embarrassing in this, in the book, I do share about my last bottom, like, the last time alcohol got the best of me. I mean, I was passed out and on the ground. If my husband wasn't there, I don't know if I would. I mean, it just completely obliterated me. So I got sober again.

Lesley Logan 13:27  

Okay. I think it's true. I think it's probably easier to stay than to get especially for the achiever, perfectionist person, it's really hard not to beat up on yourself to have so much judgment of, how did I let that happen? And for the achievers, I interviewed someone who was like, you know, you can have these amazing strengths. Like, being an achiever is not a bad thing, and it gets a lot of stuff done. You like, take action. People don't like you because you get stuff done. But you can also have what he called the basement of that strength, which is, I can get stuff done. I can figure this out. I can try and make this happen. So I recognize that I understand that. I, in my own life, have seen how my achieverness and my perfectionist has gotten me into trouble because I'm like, I can figure this. I figure everything out. So it's just it's hard. Let's talk about the shame and judgment, though, because I think this is where you so beautifully wrote it in your book about what are those shame judgment spirals, and how do they not help us? 

Chris Janssen 14:22  

Yeah, well, I think there is some healthy guilt, so I put a guilt assessment in there. Like, sometimes we have some guilt, and we really do need to make a change, right? Like, I needed to stop drinking alcohol. I think guilt is I did something wrong, and shame is I'm a bad person. I don't believe that there's any room ever, I don't think shame ever holds any room in our, yeah, I think it's trash. 

Lesley Logan 14:48  

Yeah, I agree. I really. I mean, Brené Brown said it guilt versus shame, healthy guilt, I think is a good sign, because it's not. I am this. I did this. I feel bad about that, you know, versus I am stupid. No, I did a thing that wasn't very smart. That's the guilt versus shame, right? Like the label, yeah? 

Chris Janssen 15:07  

And for me, it was really, I had to really define. And this all just happened because I started drinking again, and that is when I really had to look at, really, how perfectionism was playing a role in all of this, and that is why I wrote this second book, because I had a lot of realizations because of that experience. One of them was that I needed to ask, what is the difference between a perfectionist and achiever? A high achiever will go after their goals and they will achieve them, right? A perfectionist will say, if I have to do this, and if I don't, I'm trash, and that's where the shape comes in. So I think perfectionism is I think there's adaptive and maladaptive perfectionism, right? There's harmful and help, not really helpful. But I would rather call it achiever and perfectionism. Yeah, I don't think being a high achiever is bad. I think being a perfectionist can really cause a lot of shame and cause problems.

Lesley Logan 16:07  

Yeah, yeah. I agree with you. There's this book. I don't remember the name guys, but I tried to read it about this one was trying to kind of almost say, like, it's okay to be a perfectionist. And I found myself getting mad at her, because it's (inaudible).

Chris Janssen 16:17  

Was it The Perfectionist Guide to Losing Control? 

Lesley Logan 16:22  

Yes and I didn't even get to the end. And maybe she gets better. First of all, I like the ideas of the different types of perfectionism. I thought that was actually very informative, that there can be messy perfectionist, but I just got real. I felt like she was trying to say it was okay to be perfectionist. And I was like, it's just not and maybe I didn't get to the end of her book to figure out, like, where her argument makes sense. But in my life, my perfection is what held me back. It's what kept me in a relationship that was not right for me. It's what made me push myself to unhealthy not sleeping over exercising like different things, where in I think it's okay, like, I don't mind the High Achiever label at all, because I do like to achieve things and make things happen, but when the perfectionist gets in there, I don't achieve things because I'm trying to over control it in a way that doesn't allow me to see the thing that I wanted to do in the first place. 

Chris Janssen 17:13  

That's right, yeah. And another name for high achiever is high growth. Sometimes I just say I'm high growth. We're always looking to grow. And (inaudible) high achiever. Yeah, I'm with you. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 17:26  

I just love a reframe. I think, you know, a lot of words like selfishness, I think needs a rebrand, because I think so many people think they're being selfish when really it's self care. But I would love to hear from you like the be it till you see it, what were the steps that you are taking? And I know it's probably in your book that you got yourself to being sober again, and because, actually, I don't, I think it's and I'm sure you wish that you didn't go through your second bottom but I actually think it probably makes you a better person at coaching this and helping people through this, because you have done it, you actually know what's coming, and you can speak your story and probably save people from being curious about it again, but how, what were the things that you did to kind of help yourself get sober again? Because you had 14 years, so you had something you could kind of see to be. 

Chris Janssen 18:10  

Yeah, that's a good question, and I'm grateful for it because I wrote the book, and I had gotten very comfortable in my sobriety. I used the example in the book when your kid ties their shoe for the first time, you're like, oh my gosh, that's amazing. There's all this celebration, but when they tie it at 10 years old or 14 years old, it's not that big of a deal. So for me, sobriety had become like that, like I was 14 years sober, and I was just thinking it was just part of life, and I didn't. I forgot how magical and how special it is. So in order to get sober again, and this really is my answer to the be it question is focus on your commitments over your cravings. So it does take grit. We can't just visualize. And I think any recovery program has to be a program of action, and you have to be in community, so part of that grit is going to be sticking to your commitment. And then in the book, I have people write out exactly why you want, what you want. I wasn't clear on that the first time. I just kind of got sober because I think, well, gosh, I really need to, I have these babies. And then I realized it's such a wonderful life, but then I forgot why. So really know your why, but then more important is stick to your commitment, and when the cravings hit, you have a commitment, it's like we talked about your outcome. That's the part. You don't ditch the things to get your outcome, which I call strategy or tactics. Those you can tweak. You could tweak the tactics, right? If something's not working, just pick something else. If it's three isn't the person you want in your class, pick different number, but don't ditch the outcome. Because I see this. My clients are all high achievers. I see this time and time again, where a high achiever will ditch the outcome altogether. Here, because either it's not perfect or they're not getting the results they wanted. And so when you get to that area where you plateau, don't throw in the towel, don't go backwards, don't ditch the outcome. Keep muscling through it. That's where you need grit. It's like that two millimeter shift, right, from going from great to extraordinary. We're already high achievers. We're operating at 98%. What is keeping us from that final 2% shift, that two millimeter shift, that's where you have to not throw in the towel, tweak the tactics and stick to your commitments. 

Lesley Logan 20:35  

Yeah. That makes so much sense, and also isn't the simplest thing, the hardest thing to do?

Chris Janssen 20:43  

Yeah, that's why I say grit. 

Lesley Logan 20:45  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I also think the commitment part is really cool. I think also I can see how, like, in the first time, it was easier to stay committed, because you had those babies, and life was really fun. And I can also totally see how you're like, you know, I'm an empty nester. I got a new place. I probably figured it out. I totally can see that. And then to have to figure out a new commitment to yourself, because it had to be a different one. It couldn't be for them anymore. It had to really be for you.

Chris Janssen 21:12  

That's exactly right. Yep, that's the key, right there. So my son, my youngest, is a rock climber, and something he shared with me, really helps me, because in rock climbing, the route they take to get to the top is called the problem. And they commit to getting to the top right, they have an end goal, and that problem, the route to get to the top has to change, like based on the weather or the rock or erosion or whatever, it can't be the same every time, or it can't always be the way they think it's going to be. So they have to alter their expectations. And that's a good visual for me. 

Lesley Logan 21:53  

I love that my husband and I wanted to take up rock climbing. I still think it could be a hobby for me, it's just that I just really wish there was a rock climbing gym just a little bit closer, because I wanted to be a little easier to go. But he and I, we have the same leg length and we're both flexible. So in theory, we could probably do the same problem. We go up the same route. I could follow him, or I could do what he did, because, you know, our leg length is the same. However, his years of experience rock climbing is different than mine. He's okay, like swinging a little bit by an arm and like grabbing onto something, he kind of understands how to launch himself, very different. Also just upper body strength, very different. So every time we do a route, really the same route, and we'll go totally different ways based on, like, how we can solve that problem and how we can get up there. I think that's such a cool if you haven't done rock climbing go. They have beginner ones, and they'll take you up. You don't do it on your own, but it's a great way to explore what you're saying. I love that. You wrote this book and you dedicated for you, the reader and for you, the writer, so it says for you and for me. Who are you hoping reads this book? 

Chris Janssen 23:04  

Yeah, a high-achieving perfectionist that wants to reach their goals and not deal with shame, and they're you've hit a pain threshold where enough is enough, and you're tired of self-sabotaging and beating up on yourself. And you know, we have all this kind of mental health information right now on social media and like everyone's telling us all kinds of things left and right. So how do you do it? Well, I just hold your hand and walk you through exactly how to do that. So that is my suggestion. You don't have to be alcoholic. You don't have to have an addiction, but, most likely you're going to be a high achiever who is tired of being hard on yourself. 

Lesley Logan 23:47  

Yeah, I think that's beautiful. I think even if it's not alcohol sobriety you're looking for, I do think if you are like, ladies, my high growth ladies, like, there's something magical about this, because you have the uncover section of the book. And then you have the recover, and then you have the rediscover, am I did I remember those correctly? 

Chris Janssen 24:06  

Just discover, yeah. So very good, yeah. Discovery, uncovery, recovery.

Lesley Logan 24:12  

Yes. So uncovery, yeah. I love these three sections because I think it's something we all have to kind of learn about ourselves. And you're right, like you open up your Instagram app, and every self-help person is telling you 17 things you have to do to get to the same, some people are like, ditch goals to feel better about yourself. Other people, like, you have to have a specific goal and has to be measurable and smart and all these things. And so the high growth or like, I gotta do, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take this one, I'm gonna take this one, and it can be so it can be so much information. And you really do hold the reader's hand as you kind of go through this and uncover what is going on. And I really love your questions that you give, like, who, what rule did you give yourself? And like, how did that go? And so I think it's in the first part you guys, you get this amazing section to kind of go over that. And I think it's beautiful and brilliant. Now the book is done and you know it by the time you all hear this, it's gonna be out soon. What is your what is, what's the next thing that you're working towards? Is it like, I feel like, because you are a high growth person, are you just, oh yes, the book is done. Are you screwed? Like, what are we being till we see right now?

Chris Janssen 25:19  

I started writing a third book about relation, about relationships, yeah, and, but there's a lot to do still with this book I would love. Yeah, I created assets. I wrote a workbook, so I just finished that. Just finished edits on that the other day. I created a master class. I created a workshop where I walk people through this. So I created these things so that if people want to buy the bulk book in bulk for, you know, a group, and it doesn't have to be an addiction or recovery group, it could be a book club or, you know, like your audience, people that are high growth, and they, you know, two or more people that want to work through this. I created all these fun things that I am gifting people, if they do buy in bulk, preorder before launch day in March. 

Lesley Logan 26:14  

Okay, this is amazing because, you know, gone are the days you just read a book anymore, everyone, by the way. You have to do all these things.

Chris Janssen 26:20  

Oh my goodness.

Lesley Logan 26:22  

It's really true. You know, I guess I kind of wish I went into fiction writing. I wish I could just write fiction because you don't have to put assets with anything in fiction anymore. You write this beautiful thing and you like, I guess you hope it gets bought by Amazon. But you not only wrote this amazing book where you're so vulnerable and you give so much away. You put a workbook together, you put a course together all these things. I do think this is a book that is worth reading with your friends, even if none of you would call yourself an alcoholic or addicted to shopping or any of those labels. I think if you are high growth, it is a really good revealer and a good conversation, and like a great way to have deep conversations with our friends we probably wouldn't have without those prompts. 

Chris Janssen 27:04  

I agree. 

Lesley Logan 27:05  

Yeah. So then you got, Chris, you're amazing. You have a third book coming to some time. We'll have to talk about relationships next, when you're ready to do that, but we want to stick with this. I like to ask people what they're most excited about right now. So in this moment, what are you most excited about?

Chris Janssen 27:20  

So our youngest son got married a week ago. 

Lesley Logan 27:23  

Oh my God. 

Chris Janssen 27:24  

And my first kid to get married. So he is actually on his way. They got home from their honeymoon, and they're on their way to our house this hour. So that's, that's what I'm thinking about right now. Is him walking through the door, both of them. She's my new daughter. That's what I'm most excited about. But work wise, I'm super excited for the book launch. Really excited. I'm really excited for this book to be published for people, so that we could start talking about it with people that have already read it. I'm so excited. 

Lesley Logan 27:55  

Yeah, I'm excited for you. It's a needed book and a needed conversation, because I do love how you talked about and not everyone likes the word alcoholic, you know, like that label doesn't feel like awesome. And I do love the way you reframe and the way you have an open conversation about the possibilities, and also that you get to be sober, as opposed to you have to be so, like, there's just different ways that make things not just accessible, but kind, and no wonder you called it Grace Yourself. 

Chris Janssen 28:25  

Thank you. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 28:26  

Well, we're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out where people can buy this book. Maybe get it in bulk, so they get all those fun things and your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 28:26  

All right, Chris, where can people go to buy the book? Where can they follow you? Where can they work with you?

Chris Janssen 28:38  

The main place, chrisjanssencoaching.com that's my website. I keep it updated with all those great bulk offers that I'm offering, making available between now and launch day, the upgrades, that will be at graceyourselfbook.com

Lesley Logan 28:54  

Okay, all right, graceyourselfbook.com (inaudible).

Chris Janssen 28:58  

Yes, I will have a link to that on my website, in case you forget. So chrisjanssencoaching.com. 

Lesley Logan 29:05  

Awesome, even if just the idea of reevaluating your outcomes and your goals so that you are keeping those commitments in mind, I think that's a wonderful reason to go work with you, Chris. I think so many of us place these rules on ourselves that become boxes that control us versus uplift us. So I think that's beautiful. And you guys, the book launches in March 18th. So we're putting this out early, so you have time to take advantage of those amazing offers that you've put together, and also the additional work you did to make sure that this book has so much complimentary so it's achievable for people. I really appreciate that. 

Lesley Logan 29:37  

You've given us a lot, especially with the goal stuff, but I do want to, I, you know, it's not a too long didn't listen. It's, you know, my high growth women, they we got to have some steps to be bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted. Because when you're inspired, you're like, okay, what I do next? So what do you have for us? 

Chris Janssen 29:53  

Like I said, stick to your commitments. Don't wait for motivation or inspiration. Commit and then get in action and just do it. And the subtitles of both my books are How to Show Up for the Life You Want and How to Show Up for the Sober Life You Want. So the word show up is my number one answer. Show up when you don't feel like it, right? Because it's easy to show up. And as achievers, we like feeling good. We like showing up to work out. There will be seasons or times or days or hours when we don't feel like showing up, and that's when we're going to show up anyway and stick to those commitments. 

Lesley Logan 30:30  

I do agree, because sometimes you're just like, you're down, you're exhausted, but you know what, when you show up, you always feel better.

Chris Janssen 30:39  

Yeah, always, I think it's easier to show up than to cancel or make up an excuse to yourself why or someone else why you didn't show up.

Lesley Logan 30:47  

You are correct, because the amount of time you spend trying to figure out how to get out of something, you could have just gone and done it. So exactly, I truly learned in ditching my perfection to say no first, and if I decided I want to do it, I could always go back and say yes, but this way I didn't say yes to something I didn't want to go to, and then I had to figure out to get out of it. So that's good. Yeah, I'm like, if my gut is saying I don't think I want to do this, it's better to say, let me get back to you. Or this is awesome. I don't think it's going to work out and then change my mind.

Chris Janssen 31:18  

I love that I am taking that with me. That's good. I need that. 

Lesley Logan 31:23  

Yes. Do you want to know something else that I also find? So even though everyone knows that your calendar is on your phone, everyone knows this, no one will actually say, oh, check your calendar right now, if you say you know what, I have to check my calendar, no one says that. They're like, Hey, I've got this thing going on on Saturday. And you can say, Oh, I have to check my calendar, and no one is going to be like, your calendars on your phone, really, truly, unless they're super pushy. They all just know that you're gonna go check it. And that buys me time to just see, like, how do I feel about that? Do I really want to go? Because sometimes people ask you things in a state that's like, not the like, you're feeling overwhelmed, and so that ask just feels overwhelming. But well, you really wanted to go, and then you'd have FOMO. So I just love to buy myself time, because it really helps. My husband has a tendency it's like a rebel. So he has no problems canceling on people, like just going, hey, it's not gonna work out. So sorry, let's take a new date. And I'm like, we can't we said we'd be there and we can't go. And I'm like, you know? So I learned through him. I'm like, let me just borrow a little of that rebelness for that. Before I let you go. Can we just I just want to go into because you said, don't wait for inspiration or motivation. Why can we not wait for those things? 

Chris Janssen 32:31  

Most days, I'm inspired and motivated, because that's what high growth people are. If you made a commitment and you want to reach a goal, you can't only do it when you're inspired to do it or motivated to do it, you have to just do it and show up when you don't want to. That's why I think we can't wait for those things if, because what if something happens? That's, you know, my husband and I lost a really good friend a few weeks ago, and it happened right before the wedding. Right? We can't go, oh, I don't feel like talking to all these guests. I mean, you kind of just have to grieve, then move into celebration mode, then go back to grieve. You just have to show up. You have to keep showing up. It can't be based on feelings, so we've got to make decisions.

Lesley Logan 33:16  

Thank you for sharing that example. I'm so sorry for your loss, but you're right. So many people would have been like, Oh, of course, they're going to be at the wedding, but they're not going to talk to people and they would understand. But also you would have missed out on so many wonderful moments of love and energy and community and family. So thank you so much, Chris, your book is beautiful, and I can't wait to read the rest of it, and you guys all are gonna go get it at her website. We'll have all those links in the show notes, and please, if you buy it and you buy it in bulk, tag, Chris. Tag, the Be It Pod, so we can celebrate it. This is also a wonderful book to give to your achieving friends. But again, book clubs, it doesn't have to be a sober book club. It can just be a club of women who are needing to kind of consider how they're setting up some outcomes for themselves, and Chris will walk alongside you. So thank you, Chris, so much for being here and everyone until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 34:10  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod. 

Brad Crowell 34:53  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 34:58  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 35:02  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 35:09  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 35:13  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley Logan introduces a new segment honoring inspirational role models and shares uplifting community wins. She also spotlights two community members who found fulfillment by uplifting their clients. Tune in for a reminder that progress need not be grand, that celebrating small victories fuels your journey, and that showing yourself compassion can empower growth all year long.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Introducing a new segment to honor inspiring role models.
• Recognizing personal accomplishments, no matter how small.
• Celebrating clients’ progress as a reflection of your guidance.
• Overcoming disappointment by focusing on deeper, genuine impact.
• Gifting oneself with love, strength, and compassion.

Episode References/Links:

• Margret Chola - https://beitpod.com/margaretchola
• Female Quotient - https://www.instagram.com/femalequotient
• CHANI Deck of Plenty - https://chani.com/products/the-deck-of-plenty

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• Profitable Pilates

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Fuck yeah. 

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Hello, Be It babe. Welcome to a new year, our first FYF of the year. And it's only a few days into this year, and you might be like, oh my gosh, I have to have the FYF already. Do not pressure yourself to make something grandiose. Did you get up? Did you brush your teeth? Did you look at the sunshine like those are all things that you can celebrate, because it's hard out there. Every day, you're gonna have an emotional roller coaster of things, and so it's so important. That's why this episode exists. It's Fuck Yeah Friday. It exists to celebrate what you did do. That's what it's here for. That's what's here to remind you. And I'm adding a tiny segment to this, I promise. I'll still keep these episodes nice and quick. You can hear my wins. That's true. I also just want to highlight like people who've inspired the fuck out of me, like women, specifically, who've inspired me, who may or may not be on this podcast, who knows, maybe they'll find out that I've shouted them out. 

So we're gonna kick off our year with someone who I learned about from an Instagram account called Female Quotient. Her name is Margret Chola, an 85 year old grandmother from a rural village in Zambia has become an icon of reinvention and intergenerational collaboration. With the support of her granddaughter, Diana Kalezhi (Dee), a New York City based stylist Margret, has captured the world's attention. Their bond and collaboration is a reflection of the confidence, creativity, and courage it takes to embrace individuality. Dee shared the shoot was impromptu and very low stakes, as these images were simply meant to live on my Instagram page. Little did she know that those posts would leave an impact on the way we view beauty and self-expression at any age. It's a reminder that no matter where you start, your story can ripple far beyond your expectations. So I love this. If you're watching on YouTube, you'll have to click the Instagram link, but I'll just show you like, look at Margret, freaking gorgeous woman. So it's this 85 year old grandma from Zambia, and she is wearing every color with gloves and fabulous pineapple crystal glasses, and she's just got the smile on her face gorgeous bracelet, like you just want to have it. And then if you keep going, she's got this hat that I dream to have. Maybe someday it won't even fit in the car, but my gosh, it's stunning with her glasses and her shoes, like and her shoes, oh my gosh, I love this, because it's an introgen, like granddaughter and grandmother created this thing, and they had low expectations, and it turned out that it was like inspiring women everywhere. And honestly, like, the pictures keep going. And I just want to now meet Margret, and I'm so inspired by her. If you're hearing this today going, why the heck am I learning about Margret? Go click the link, because you may need to be inspired. Doesn't matter what your age is, doesn't matter what your body looks like. You can put together some fabulous things that that have a ripple effect, as they said, beyond where you live. You can inspire people. She has inspired me. I think I'm gonna go get dressed up for today, literally, holy moly, I'm gonna step it up a notch because of this. So that is our new segment, shouting out someone who inspired me, who caught my attention, and I love that she's with her granddaughter, Dee, and I love that they're affecting people around the world. You could be doing that too. 

And now let's talk about you. Let's share the wins that you have. So here we go. First up, we have Heather Ingram. She is an eLevate grad, an Agency member. She's done an OPC workshop for us. I absolutely love this woman, and she wrote fab webinar with Kareen Walsh today on becoming a magnet for money. Sign me up for that. Also just finished a fantastic session with my favorite private client, who does her homework three times a week, and the progress in her Pilates practice is effing inspiring. As I watched her move through her flow today, I actually had a proud moment when I caught my own reflection in the mirror, made eye contact with myself and silently said to myself, you did this for her. You helped her get here. You're pretty effing great. You are. I always in my sessions with a standing roll down arm circle and then reach around to pat themselves on their back for their energy effort. Great session. Give themselves some love. And today was the first time I gave love to myself for what I'm doing for my clients. Yes, tooting my horn. Heather, thank you for inspiring us all to toot our own horns. We should all do it more often. How freaking cool is that I love that you actually saw yourself and like actually had that moment with yourself, because it's so true. Yes, she's doing her homework, but you managed to inspire her to do that. You chose these exercises for her. You set these things up so that she could have the success that she's having. So way to go, girl. It's like another collaboration. This is another collaboration. Okay? Dana Karen, who's an Agency member, she wrote, wow, my heart is so incredibly full right now. I am on day two of seven-day challenge I'm running for getting active and chronic pain called meant to move after my book. I've been busting my ass for the past four weeks or so leading up to this challenge with IG lives and new freebies and tons of promos, it was so exhausted by the time it even started. I was disappointed at first to just get four items, because I'm making, like, $2 an hour, but I have to say that things are going so well. So far, I just got off two back to back coaching calls with people telling me how grateful they are for the safe space that the challenge created and how happy they feel to have guidance and support to get going. The second client said to me, the moving part is just a bonus. What I needed was a safe container to put my grief and feelings about movement and where it was okay to be starting from scratch, and you gave me that. I mean that sentiment right there is exactly why I wrote the book, why I created my first paid program in 2022, and why I made this challenge. I've been trying to figure out the correct formula for years without success, and I feel like I'm finally hitting on something that might actually work if I can figure out how to find my people. I just feel so fulfilled knowing that this is working for someone, and it made my whole month. Dana, way to go, babe, way to go. You know, I think we all look at people and maybe even look at this podcast, and you go, oh my God, she must have had, like all the listeners, as soon as she hit play, whatever, whatever you hit to upload the episode. I don't know what my team does. No, you have to work for it. And yes, there are sometimes moments where these flash in the pan like everything aligns, and it works out really, really well. But typically it doesn't work like that. Typically those stars, they die fast. What really is the truth is that every single person out there that you are seeing share their gifts and change people's lives have been doing it like a duck on the water, just like looking so smooth, but underneath they're just like, kicking their feet, kicking, kick, kick, kicking, you know, just like, so, so much. So I just so appreciate you sharing with us the hard work that you went through. DK, and then also that you're feeling so fulfilled. And so I'm in day two. The money will come. It just will. But you're changing people's lives, and you're learning about what they need to hear from you. So you can keep doing that. And congrats on your amazing book. 

All right, a quick win of mine. So we are not even done with this tour. I'm still on it. I'm still on it, and what I'm gonna say is, my win is that I'm having the best time. I really am. I'm so honored and so grateful and so blessed. And that's a win, you know, because it'd be so easy for me to sit here and focus on, like, the times that the schedule didn't work correctly, or we hit traffic, or, you know, something happened. I mean, one summer tour, the dogs jumped out of the van to run into a store that Brad was in, you know, so the chaos can happen. But I am going to say is, with about five days left on this tour and only a couple stops left to go, I would do it again. I would do it again. Really, really would. So thank you, if you came out on the tour, thank you for doing that. We will announce our West Coast summer tour soon, but not so soon, because I've gotta, I gotta relax. Gotta take some time. 

Okay, let me leave you with a mantra. The last couple years, I've gotten the mantras offline. Now because you guys have been so generous and gifted me so many mantras, I'm either getting them off of Instagram, or I have a couple decks that I am using. And so today, it's from the CHANI deck of plenty. No sponsorship here. I just like her. I send my past self love, I send my future self strength, I shower my current self with a million compassion affirmation. I send my past self love. Let's do that. I send my future self strength. Take a moment. I shower my current self with a million compassion affirmations. If you need a million of them, just Google top affirmations for 2025, right, and just keep reading them. Here one more time. I send my past self love, I send my future self strength. I shower my current self with a million compassion affirmations. You guys, we've had many, many guests on talk about affirmations and putting Post-its up and putting them where you can see them. May this be your sign that you do that. Maybe that's your win. And if it is, send it in to us, so we can shout you out on the next FYF. Have an amazing day. And until next time, be it till you see it. 

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 10:14  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 10:19  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 10:24  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 10:31  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 10:34  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell revisit their conversation with Mary and Kate Swick, hosts of Mom and Me Astrology and experts in blending traditional and modern astrological insights. Together, they uncover astrology’s power to validate experiences and guide personal growth. Learn how Pluto’s cycles and Mercury retrogrades can reframe obstacles, foster clarity, and inspire adaptability in life’s transitions.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Why Pluto’s long-term cycles highlight opportunities for transformation.
• How Mercury's retrograde offers a chance to rethink, revise, and refocus.
• Why astrology validates emotions and offers context for life’s challenges.
• Why understanding your astrological chart provides insight into your strengths.
• How being curious about astrological influences can foster adaptability.

Episode References/Links:

• OPC Winter Tour - https://opc.me/tour
• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat - https://lesleylogan.co/retreats
• Flashcards Waitlist - https://opc.me/flashcardwaitlist
• Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator - https://prfit.biz/accelerator
• OPC Spring Training Waitlist - https://opc.me/events
• Try Out OPC $40 for 40 Days - https://opc.me/40
• Mom, Me, and Astrology - https://beitpod.com/astrolgypodcast
• Monica Linda Girl Squad - https://www.girlsquadllc.com

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.

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Resources:

• Watch the Be It Till You See It podcast on YouTube!
• Lesley Logan website
• Be It Till You See It Podcast
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• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
• Profitable Pilates

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

First of all, I was born under a Mercury in retrograde, so they don't actually affect me as much. They kind of feel comfortable, but retrograde, R-E, they say, anything you can redo, redefine, recreate, redecorate, put a re in front of it. And so to go back, don't blame astrology, but understand what's going on, and then you can work with it. 

Lesley Logan 0:18  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:57  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co host in life, Brad and I are going to dig into the validating convo I had with Mary and Kate Swick in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you need to make time for that episode and maybe listen to it twice. I think Brad listened to it three times. 

Brad Crowell 0:57  

Two and a half times. 

Lesley Logan 1:02  

Two and a half times. So holy freaking moly, there's a lot of information. Grab your notebook, maybe even look at the transcript of it, because you can go to your sun sign, or Mary and Kate often talk about your rising sign, and you can just like, copy and paste what they're saying, because they gave a lot of information. But before we get into that, today is January 2nd 2025 and it's National Personal Trainer Day. And because I'm a Pilates instructor, I think we just need a Pilates instructor, yoga instructor. It's your national whoever is (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 1:49  

We're gonna, we're gonna adjust it from personal trainer to fitness trainer. 

Lesley Logan 1:53  

Yeah, whoever is your personal person taking care of you, and OPC can be that person for you. So we're gonna celebrate me. To be honest, I think they really phoned it in when they came up with holidays for January 2nd. 

Brad Crowell 2:07  

Yeah, right. 

Lesley Logan 2:08  

Really went through, and this is the best one that didn't have, like, motivate yourself, go do the thing, like, that language is no longer allowed here. So National Personal Trainer Day is an annual day of observance on January 2nd when many people start working toward their new year fitness resolutions. Just so you know, we are not saying that you need to do that. Personal Trainers guide, motivate, and train you to exercise correctly. Yes they do. 

Brad Crowell 2:30  

Yes they do. 

Lesley Logan 2:30  

Yes they do. Without them, many injuries can happen due to bad former incorrect use of the equipment. So they are vital, often overlooked part of society. Personal Trainers should get the credit they deserve for the great work that they do. Yes. 

Brad Crowell 2:41  

Yes, they should. 

Lesley Logan 2:42  

I should. And also, at OPC, we don't do, like, one-on-one stuff anymore. We do provide feedback on your form just by submitting (inaudible)

Brad Crowell 2:51  

Did we ever? 

Lesley Logan 2:52  

No, we never did. But I did. I used to. 

Brad Crowell 2:55  

Yeah, okay, but you aren't OPC. 

Lesley Logan 2:58  

That's true. I am not OPC. That's true.

Brad Crowell 3:02  

Hey. 

Lesley Logan 3:02  

Hey. 

Brad Crowell 3:02  

Congrats. 

Lesley Logan 3:03  

Congratulations to me. Okay, so we're not even home yet, so just so you know, we're. 

Brad Crowell 3:09  

We're a solid week away from being home. 

Lesley Logan 3:11  

We're like definitely somewhere in the Panhandle right now but we're gonna come home at some point, and then we're gonna head to Cambodia.

Brad Crowell 3:11  

I think we're at Pensacola, probably on the way to New Orleans. 

Lesley Logan 3:21  

We're definitely doing a class in Pensacola, and tomorrow is a class in New Orleans. Yes. New Orleans is sold out, so don't even try. At this point. 

Brad Crowell 3:29  

Pensacola, I think, has a couple left in the class. 

Lesley Logan 3:32  

At the time we're recording this, the class had some spots. Austin has some spots in the workshops. Dallas has some spots in the workshops, and Lubbock has some spots in the workshops, but that's it, so and that's also. 

Brad Crowell 3:43  

How about Phoenix? 

Lesley Logan 3:44  

Phoenix, at this point, has three spots left in the workshops, but you guys, we are 34 days away from those places, so they could be sold out by the time you're hearing that. It's very true, but just reach out, because you never know. You know. 

Brad Crowell 3:56  

Never know. Go to opc.me/tour come check it out. 

Lesley Logan 3:59  

So when we come back, we're going to Cambodia in February, and we have announced, it says we've just announced October. 

Brad Crowell 4:07  

When we're listening to this. No, the announcement for October hasn't come up just yet, but it will be, should probably be on the website, y'all. But basically, we're going to be putting out an offer to the people on the waitlist. So go to lesleylogan.co/retreats plural, retreats plural, and add yourself to the waitlist so you can get the special offer. Well, it's our early bird special. So if you want to check out what's going to happen in October, the dates are the 12th through the 17th, 12th to the 18th, 13th through the 18th, something like that middle of October of this year, 2025. What? We're going to be making that big announcement, only the people on the waitlist. So if you're on social, we won't be talking about it. 

Lesley Logan 4:46  

Only people on the waitlist will get that early bird discount and get the invite. And last October, it sold out from the waitlist. So, just so you know. 

Brad Crowell 4:55  

We're the biggest group we ever took, and we literally had to bump people to February because it just went immediately. And that was really exciting and incredible. So if you are thinking about it at all, make sure you check out those dates and come join us. And as you all heard us talk about back in November, we drove to Los Angeles. Lesley did this incredible week of prepping for the guillotine photo shoot.

Lesley Logan 5:16  

1100 pictures. 

Brad Crowell 5:17  

Yeah, we did 1100 photos for the new, upcoming flash cards accessories deck.

Lesley Logan 5:22  

I've been going through on the tour, I'm sure at some point by now, when this comes out, I will have sat down and picked the pictures for this deck, and I am supposed to have been done writing by now. So. 

Brad Crowell 5:33  

Yeah, we'll see. 

Lesley Logan 5:34  

We're gonna project all that, because we're trying to actually go on presale earlier than we usually do. Usually we go on presale in May or June, and we're trying to hit that April, March. 

Brad Crowell 5:43  

And here's why we're trying to avoid hurricane season in Florida. 

Lesley Logan 5:46  

Yeah, you know these are things you have to think about. 

Brad Crowell 5:48  

When they ship. 

Lesley Logan 5:49  

Yeah, when you're a business owner, you have to think about things you never thought about. 

Brad Crowell 5:52  

Never thought about.

Lesley Logan 5:53  

Before. So you need to go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist to get on the waitlist, because only those people on the waitlist get the presale price. And the presale price is the best price that deck will ever have, ever, ever, ever.

Brad Crowell 6:06  

If you are feeling stuck in your Pilates business, or you're really worried about this year, my name is Brad. I talk a lot about, how do you grow a small business, especially a fitness business, especially a Pilates business. So if any of that makes any sense to you, if you're like, Okay, it's January. I need to capitalize on this wave of people wanting to get back into the studio, but I'm not quite sure how to connect with those people. You don't know how to get new clients, or you're worried about the money. Come join me for a free webinar when we get back home the following week, I'm going to be hosting a free webinar called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator, and in that webinar, I'm going to be revealing three massive secrets that Lesley and I have put together after coaching more than 2500 businesses over the last seven years. Because this year, this January, right now, it is Agency's seventh year. Holy cow. That is unbelievable. I can't believe that.

Lesley Logan 6:57  

It's insane.

Brad Crowell 6:58  

Yeah, we kicked it off in 2018 so that's amazing. Anyway, go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator, and join me for the free webinar. And then finally. 

Lesley Logan 7:09  

Okay, so you guys are first. 

Brad Crowell 7:11  

Drum roll please.

Lesley Logan 7:17  

We are going to do a spring training OPC, and it's going to be online. It's going to be something you can do live with us. There'll be some replay action. 

Brad Crowell 7:26  

This is like, going to be a big event. This isn't going to be like, oh, join us for a one hour workshop. No, this is like. 

Lesley Logan 7:31  

No, it's going to be a week long event. Something similar to what you used to do four years ago. But we're going to include all the OPC teachers multiple different pieces of equipment. So no matter what you have access to, there's going to be part of this event that is for you. 

Brad Crowell 7:42  

Yeah, no summer camp this year. Okay, we're going to do the spring training instead of the summer camp.

Lesley Logan 7:46  

You don't know why. If you were listening to the pod, we kept confusing summer camp and summer tour, and we decided that we need to change the season. And I was born and raised in a baseball family. Brad was raised in a football family, but you may not know my grandfather was actually a professional baseball player, and so spring training. 

Brad Crowell 8:04  

He played for the Philadelphia Eagles, right?

Lesley Logan 8:07  

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 8:10  

Just hit my head with guitar.

Lesley Logan 8:14  

And the he meaning Brad, no, my grandfather played for the St. Louis Cardinals he was the catcher. So we're gonna do spring training. It's gonna be end of April into May, and I want you to get on the waitlist, because something special will happen for the people on the waitlist. We'll make sure we always put things special on waitlists. You always just want to be on waitlist. 

Brad Crowell 8:30  

Just be on the waitlist. 

Lesley Logan 8:31  

And we don't bug you. We just remind you what's coming out once a month, so you don't forget about it. So go to opc.me/events, opc.me/events.

Brad Crowell 8:39  

Yeah, by the way, I just want to say the waitlist is different from our newsletter list. So if you get our weekly newsletters. That's great, different from the waitlist where we specifically talk about the events that you may have been wanting. 

Lesley Logan 8:50  

Yeah, if you're like, interested in what our spring training is going to be, then you're going to want to be on the waitlist, because we won't talk about it on the newsletter until whatever special was on the waitlist is over. 

Brad Crowell 8:59  

Yeah, and I'm not encouraging you to do this, but if you're like, oh my God, you send me a lot of emails, you don't need to be on the newsletter list, but you can still be on the waitlist. Possible. 

Lesley Logan 9:08  

I mean, I write good emails. I'm just gonna say it. 

Brad Crowell 9:10  

You do. 

Lesley Logan 9:10  

They all come from me, and they're not chatGPT, we're not even using my bot to write them. So, you know. 

Brad Crowell 9:14  

It's true. It's true. opc.me/events, plural, opc.me/events, get yourself on the waitlist, and we'll be letting you know about spring training. 

Lesley Logan 9:23  

Also that waitlist. Also let you know about all OPC events that includes the course. So there's good stuff on that. 

Brad Crowell 9:29  

Yep, yep. Love it. All right. 

Lesley Logan 9:31  

Before we talk about Mary and Kate, we have a lot to get into, because we do have an audience question. 

Brad Crowell 9:35  

Yes, we do. Okay. Lisa Hansen 6014 from YouTube says hey, in the shoulder bridge exercise, difference in pointing and flexing.

Lesley Logan 9:45  

Okay. 

Brad Crowell 9:45  

I don't even know (inaudible) to myself. 

Lesley Logan 9:48  

So, don't worry, means nothing to a lot of people. So in the shoulder exercise on the mat, you actually point the foot up when you kick the leg up. 

Brad Crowell 9:56  

Oh, I know exactly. 

Lesley Logan 9:57  

Yes, I know you do. 

Brad Crowell 9:58  

But you go up pointed and down flex? 

Lesley Logan 10:00  

Yeah, do you remember why?

Brad Crowell 10:02  

Oh snap. Uh, well, probably about this stretch that creates when you do it. 

Lesley Logan 10:06  

Great job. 

Brad Crowell 10:07  

Hey, nailed it. 

Lesley Logan 10:08  

So, okay, so, so in Pilates. 

Brad Crowell 10:11  

Sorry, Lisa. 

Lesley Logan 10:11  

Yeah. So Lisa asked this, and also her further questions that came from this was like, well, my foot cramps when I point it. So, yeah, here's the deal, in Pilates, when you point it is actually to help you get length in the front of your leg, because the hip flexor is going to want to try to jump in there. And when you flex, is to help you have more access on the way down, to help people have more access to the hamstring and glute, allows you to push into something when you flex with the roll up and you push your heels down, it gets you more access to those hamstrings and glutes. Why? Because you need them to turn on so you don't overuse your hip flexors. 

Brad Crowell 10:42  

Yeah, so that's actually why. 

Lesley Logan 10:44  

Yeah, in sidekicks, when you turn the leg out and you point it up, you flex it down. Why do that? You point it up, so your hip flexor doesn't try to lift the leg, and you flex it down so you can get more gluten hamstring. So pointing and flexing in Pilates is not choreography. It is about the connection. Now, when you're new to exercises and Pilates, it will feel like you're learning choreography. That's fine. But then there is a point to it. 

Brad Crowell 11:07  

There is a method to do with the madness. 

Lesley Logan 11:09  

Yes, and then, just to follow up, if you are someone who's foot or feet cramp when you're pointing them, it tells me you are over using your foot, and the point and flex is happening from the ankle down and not from the butt down. And so what I would just say is. 

Brad Crowell 11:25  

Say that one more time. 

Lesley Logan 11:26  

When you point your foot if it's cramping, there's a lot of reasons why muscles cramp. You could be lacking magnesium, electrolyte. You could be dehydrated, the muscles could be tired. But specifically in Pilates, if a foot is cramping when it's pointed in shoulder ridge, for example, she's got one foot on the ground, not cramping, one foot and they are cramping. It tells me that she's over using the foot. 

Brad Crowell 11:50  

Okay, that's what I just wanted you to say one more time. So yeah, she's doing what? 

Lesley Logan 11:54  

Over-using the foot muscle. She's working from the ankle down. 

Brad Crowell 11:57  

Yeah, that's what I was unclear of. 

Lesley Logan 11:58  

You need to, so your foot is not its own thing. Your foot is part of your butt. So you want to think about that point and flex going from up and down the chain up and down the whole leg. It's not choreography. It's part of like your whole body. And so when you're new, it's going to be just the ankle, but as you advance and the more she uses her butt, the lesser foot will cramp. There's an exercise on the Cadillac called shoulder roll down. If your feet cramp in that exercise, 100% you're not using your butt. 100% of the time when you access your ass, your feet stop cramping. 

Brad Crowell 12:06  

And you're fast. 

Lesley Logan 12:35  

Yes. 

Brad Crowell 12:35  

Oh yeah. Well, great answer. 

Lesley Logan 12:38  

And also, Lisa became an OPC member because of all these questions. 

Brad Crowell 12:42  

Hey, Lisa, welcome to the club. 

Lesley Logan 12:43  

And now I asked her, I said, send me a video of you doing this exercise so I could actually see what's going on. So if you would like me to see how you point and flex your foot and see if you're using your butt or you're just overusing your foot, opc.me/40

Brad Crowell 12:43  

Yeah, go check it out. Opc.me/40, and come join the amazing family, the community that we got going on there. Okay, so this is gonna be super juicy. Make sure you stick around. We're about to talk about Mary and Kate Swick. 

Lesley Logan 13:09  

And ourselves. 

Brad Crowell 13:10  

And they actually read our charts, and we're gonna talk about that too. So we'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 13:16  

Welcome back all right. Now let's talk about Mary and Kate Swick. Kate and Mary Swick are the hosts of Mom, Me and Astrology, where they bring together traditional and modern astrological insights. Kate, an Aquarius, and lifelong student of astrology, combines her studies in modern astrology with a background in energy work and intuitive practices, offering fresh perspectives on innovation, growth and self discovery. Side note, she's also went to school for psychology, worked in corporate for a long time, running some spas and stuff. So she's got a lot of interaction with a lot of people, but she grew up with Mary, a Scorpio, brings over 35 years of experience in astrology, making her a trusted guide for navigating major life shifts. Together, they provide guidance on navigating life shifts and understanding planetary influences. Also not mentioned here is that Mary's husband, Kate's father, also worked as an astrologist as well. So Kate was like, around, around this whole world. 

Lesley Logan 14:12  

Before the internet and email, like someone would call and Mary would be out, and there's no answering machines, right? So Kate's like, writing down, okay, yes, the North Node thing you said came true.

Brad Crowell 14:23  

Yeah, the second month, moon's sun did a back flip. And, yeah, I don't know anything about things clearly, Kate, obviously, grew up with all of this and. 

Lesley Logan 14:32  

If any of the things sounded overwhelming, what I have decided since I've met them and we've known them now three years, maybe four years, is that just the more you listen to the terms, the less, the more familiar they become, the less it's like learning a new language. The less overwhelming it is, and the more you study it in yourself, the easier it is for you to understand other things. And I have to be honest, like, the more chaotic the world is, the more I'm like, hold on, what's going on in the moons, let me see, because. 

Brad Crowell 15:02  

I haven't wrapped my head around houses yet, but I've got, like, sun, moon, I'm starting to understand that. But then there's, like, the planets and the degrees. I don't know anything about that.

Lesley Logan 15:11  

I'm excited because I picked up a journal for this year. And every day, there's a way for me to put an entry. It tells me what's going on with the moons, and it tells me what's going on with like, different things, and it's a way for me to practice you have to look at your own chart, and I had stickers to put what things are in which house and what degree. And so I feel like just every day I get to spend a little time journaling in this area. Again, what's gonna go to what I loved astrology is what Mary said. Astrology is very validating. It's not as much predictive as it is a green or yellow light saying go or slow down or pause. And you can use it as a valuable tool to help you see things you might not have noticed about yourself, or some things like, why do I do that? Like, why am I doing that? Sometimes I find myself going, why do I do that? And then I hear from my chart, like, this is the way you do that, you're like, oh, so that's just like, kind of who I am. So I just need to be aware that that's something that I tend to do, and something else that'll come up. We had them read my chart and your chart, and something that came up is that I'm someone who requires a lot of downtime. And I have noticed in the last year, I require a lot of downtime, like I just do after tours, after things like, I just, I need to lay down on the ground. And I used to think, oh, is there something wrong with my health or something wrong I need? And so going back to the validation of it, no. In the chart that I have, it literally says lay the fuck down, take time for yourself. So I really like that. And she's like, it's like having a friend who can give you an opinion or show you something that to you that you didn't see yourself. And I also think that's really cool. We had them read our chart. And there's a lot of things that are like moving around, that are going on. And every time I show someone my chart, who knows astrology, the things they go, Oh, wow, you need to stock up on your learning. You've got a lot going on over here. And I'm like, what is it? What do I need to learn? But it's not predictive, right? So we can't tell them what I need to learn. But I really enjoyed, in summary, what I, we are in a transition of something going on in our business right now. And what was validating about this is because we're at the end of the seven years, and so there are a lot of things transitioning, because that's how things are working in my chart is a seven year change, and what I need to be doing, what I need to be focusing on. And some things have already, the energy's already started in there. And I was like, oh, this is really validating. And then there was some things that she said. Was like, hey, you go look out for this. Not a beware, but a be aware. And I was just like, oh, that is really good information. The other thing that I'm glad that they said is you might want to not just rethink collaborations, but also check in with new partnerships. Check out new things. There might be someone who is famous or doing this x thing that you can actually like work with. And also there's just some really good stuff, you guys. It basically just says, I'm coming into like, the more authentic I can be, the better it is going to be for me, the more that I can manifest, the better that's going to be for me. And so what was so cool about that is, I've been thinking I need to be spending more time manifesting what I actually want, because that's just something I'm being called to do, and to hear in my chart that it's like, yeah, you're in a manifestation place. Go do that. It really helps put the green light on something I'm intrigued by. And I find that to be really cool, because it doesn't feel like this random hobby or this distraction. It feels like a direction. I have a lot of new beginnings coming up. Is that what? That's what they said. Did you hear that in my chart? 

Brad Crowell 18:29  

I mean, you and me both. I'll get into that in just a minute. Okay, first off, one move Brad over here, this has always been interesting to me. Intriguing to me after having my chart read, I've met Kate multiple times, and her partner, Mike, but I have not met Mary. I've not met mom in person, I don't believe, but I have listened to them for a long time. 

Lesley Logan 18:50  

I know you, you download their podcast. You listen to it.

Brad Crowell 18:52  

I do. I actually listen to their pod. And the reason is because, first off, I know you're very interested in it, and I just wanted to kind of start to wrap my head around the language of it, and kind of it, and kind of, yeah, I don't really understand it all, all the time, but it's fun. They're very sweet and they're it's easy to listen to. It's not that long, you know, it's pretty informative. It's also not doom and gloom. I don't know. I always imagine movies from the 90s where someone, like, bases their entire life off of, like, a one paragraph astrological reading in the local newspapers some bullshit, and then they go change their world for the better or the worse. That's kind of just the understanding I had of astrology, but listening to them talk about it, it's really kind of changed my understanding of it, so in a good way. So anyway, we did decide to do our charts with them, and that was also incredibly revealing to me, since I know me better than anybody, right? But before I get into my chart, Kate actually said, hey, the context here not to blame astrology, but just to understand. She explained that when you go through hard things, you can say, oh, here comes Pluto again, rearing its ugly head, right? And not in a sense of you have no agency, but it gives it sheds clarity onto things that might be happening in your life, or why you might be responding in a specific way, and you might be looking at yourself going, why did I do that? And that doesn't mean that you're off the hook. There's blame astrology. That's not what that is, but it does give you visibility into certain things. So it may be also a reminder that some of these things are temporary, because things are shifting and changing. 

Lesley Logan 20:19  

Yeah, some planets move really fast. Some move really slow. And another example, because some people might not really be familiar with Pluto, although, my God, I've been so fucking aware of Pluto and Aquarius, but I'm very involved. So a lot of people like to blame Mercury in retrograde. It happens.

Brad Crowell 20:35  

Mercury's in retrograde. I've heart that a billion times.

Lesley Logan 20:37  

It happens multiple times a year, which is why you hear it a billion times. And the thing that I love from Mary and Kate is that they've actually really helped me re evaluate what mercury in retrograde is. First of all, I was born under a Mercury in retrograde, so they don't actually affect me as much. They kind of feel comfortable, but retrograde, R-E, they say anything you can redo, redefine, recreate, redecorate, put a re in front of it. And so to go back, don't blame astrology, but understand what's going on and then you can work with it, which is kind of cool, because, like, you said, no agency can go, okay, hold on, we are in a retrograde. So yesterday, I was trying to move these files. I tried two times it didn't freaking work. And I could have gotten mad or upset, because, like, I get frustrated when technology doesn't work for me, when it worked, like, literally an hour ago, and I was just like, you know what? Yeah, I'm just like, You know what, it's retrograde. I'm just gonna leave that there. I texted the team. I'm like, do you see these files? Because I tried two times and I don't see them there, but maybe I can't see them, and they're like, we don't have them. And I was like, we have to redo it tomorrow. I'm not gonna get angry about I'm just gonna redo it tomorrow. And I was like, ooh, retrograde. 

Brad Crowell 21:39  

Yeah, Astrology can validate what you're feeling. We didn't talk about Pluto yet, but we're gonna get into that in just a minute. So Kate also said, astrology is not there to tell you that you're being punished. That's not the goal of it. It's, you know, it can help validate what you're feeling. It doesn't take away the emotion of what you're going through, but it can provide a sense of purpose. You know, what you're going through and dealing with is exactly what you are supposed to be dealing with. She said, It's all part a much larger plan and a much larger cycle, right? For example, we were talking about Pluto, we were talking about mercury, but we weren't comparing it to Pluto just yet. Mercury in retrograde happens three times a year. Pluto, it's like a 20-year cycle, right? And so what was really interesting is when they read my chart, and it was the two of them talking back and forth to each other for about 30 minutes.

Lesley Logan 22:26  

Okay, I'm so curious, what happened to it 22? I really wanted to go back and go because (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 22:31  

I'll tell you what happened, in fact. So here's what's crazy. They basically said hey, Brad, and this was Mary, mom. She said, to be honest, I wish you were here in front of me so that we could meet you face to face, because you have a very intriguing chart. She said, I don't think I've read this many, very many charts over my career, 35 years doing this, very many charts where there were three moons, there are three planets at a zero degree, zero degrees. Now that doesn't mean anything to me. I have no idea what that actually means, but they were very intrigued by this, because I was born under a new moon on a specific day in a specific place, and whatever the degrees of all the planets (inaudible). 

Lesley Logan 23:07  

And you have three planets at zero, which means it's like a new beginning. But also you could kind of be either the old other sign, or this sign.

Brad Crowell 23:14  

I could be a chameleon. 

Lesley Logan 23:15  

Yes, it's really quite crazy. They also said that when you go to a new place, you don't stand out as a tourist. You kind of just are that. And it was, I'm like, yeah.

Brad Crowell 23:23  

Are you going to let me talk about how excited I am about the chart, yeah. So, all right, so, so basically, they began to describe me, and Mary doesn't know me. Kate knows me. She actually was using some references of my life, of our life, that she's aware of, but Mary doesn't know those references. Doesn't know me. And yet she was looking at when I was born and where I was born, and she was describing why I did things I did in high school, which was fascinating to me, because she talked about, you were talking about being a chameleon. When I was in high school, I used to literally blend into all the different crowds. I hated the Goths versus the preps versus the jocks. I just thought it was the stupidest thing. So I would wear different clothes every single day, as if I was part of a different clique, a different crew, and I had friends in all these different clubs, or what a social hierarchies, or whatever the it was high school. And for me, I did it in a cynical way, because I thought it was bullshit. So I was like, Well, I'm gonna break the rules and I'm gonna be part of everything. But how funny to hear them talk about how I can do that kind of a thing. And I was doing that when I was, like, 16. It was really interesting to hear them talk about how I'm probably very intrigued about travel and about understanding the world and about different cultures and all that stuff. And that could not be more spot on. That is literally my driving purpose in literally life. I always say travel is my drug of choice. 

Brad Crowell 23:24  

Yeah, yeah. And we and they also said next year is a lot of travel, and it freaking does. You were trying to squeeze a (inaudible) trip in a really crazy time, and I'm like, can we squeeze it into this quarter? Can we do that?

Brad Crowell 24:59  

I have more coming that she doesn't know about. 

Lesley Logan 25:00  

I know, but I also really loved that they brought up. So something about Brad. He's Oh, yeah, let's just go. Let's go to this thing. And I'm like, Okay, I'll go. And then he's like, oh, you know, while we're over here, let's go to this thing. And I'm like, that was not on the plan. And we gotta drop off these three things if we're 12 o'clock at the FedEx and it's, what are you talking about? I thought we were just going to get lunch, and now you're adding three things. And they freaking brought that up in the chart. I swear to God. I mean, I know it's not psychic, but it's definitely validating. And again, yes, Kate has met you several times. We've hung out, we've gone to dinner, but not like, we're like, every quarter.

Lesley Logan 25:01  

No, maybe once a year over the past three or four years. 

Lesley Logan 25:39  

Yeah, we have to send Mary a picture of you like I think she (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 25:43  

I feel it. I'm sure Kate pulled up a photo us. It was really just interesting. I lean towards an addictive personality, where, when I commit to something, I go 1000% in on that thing. I love to travel. I'm really good at showing a front and not sharing what's behind, right? So that's also the way I always thought about it is, that's how I was raised. No one ever sees what's actually going on behind the curtain. Maybe that's also just how I am. My interest in language education, my inclination towards technical stuff, you know, just fascinating to me. And then what we never actually circle back around to, and I want to finish with here before we move on, is Pluto. They said that somehow, I don't really understand it, but Pluto is affecting 10 of the planets in my chart, and that cycle, that 20-year cycle, is concluding right now, and next year is going to be a very interesting transitional time for me. 

Lesley Logan 26:40  

I have to look at your chart. It sounds like maybe a 10-year plan must have been like, in Capricorn or something like that. 

Brad Crowell 26:44  

I have a Capricorn rising. And I never even knew that. I was like, I don't know. 

Lesley Logan 26:48  

Yeah, no, you have Capricorn rising. I have Gemini rising. We gotta look at what your moon is. But, yeah.

Brad Crowell 26:52  

This was really interesting that they were talking about some of the things that they were forecasting for me for next year during this transition period. I've already been doing them literally this past year. I can't remember the specifics now, but there was like, three or four things where I was like, oh, that's already started. I've already started to shift out of some of the roles that I've held in the company for a really long time. I've already started to make decisions on what I want to be doing in the company. And this kind of started six, eight months ago. So it's just funny that there's stuff going on in my world that they had no idea yet they were talking about it as if they did. 

Lesley Logan 27:26  

They gave me some specific dates. I'm not gonna lie. I'm aiming for one of those to be the accessories launch card date, because, like, this is a great day to launch something. I think so too. Obviously, this is not a commercial for Mary and Kate, but what I hope is it's an awareness of take a look at these things, because it can feel like your world is uncertain and chaotic, and maybe it is chaotic. 

Brad Crowell 27:46  

I mean, especially politically now. When the day this comes out, we're 18 days away from a transition in the president's office. Oh, and that's, you know, a lot of uncertainty starting at the end of this month.

Lesley Logan 27:56  

It's weighing on me. Well, also, like, I had a call today with someone I was like, so do we think that there's going to be a war where we're going at that time, because this is the weirdest thing, that because we travel so much for work, we have to pay attention politically, what's happening in the world like it, it affects us on an actual economical level, like it affects us on our work and affects the safety wise. And she said, well, then we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I said okay, we're gonna act as a be it until you see it. Here we go. You know. And so having an understanding of this, again, it's not a psychic thing. It can actually just validate. Oh, I do feel like everything is in transition right now, and I have all this stuff happening in my houses. So it is. So it makes you feel to me less crazy, and oh, I'm on the right path, or I can work with this. And so at the very least, you should listen to their podcast. And the episode, we had to talk about Pluto. We went through every single because we're talking to you like, as if you listen to it. We went through every single sun sign, which is a sign that you are born like the birth date, the one that like you. 

Brad Crowell 28:53  

The one that you probably know. 

Lesley Logan 28:54  

You probably know (inaudible) because it's on the magazines and everything. Oh, this your sun sign. 

Brad Crowell 28:58  

Cancer, Capricorn, Aquarious.

Lesley Logan 28:59  

Yeah, based on your birth date. So you don't have to know the time or location you're born. You can just know your sun sign. We did that for both Pluto and Uranus. So I would just say, like, dabble in it. You can at least listen to the podcast, their podcast, and start to.

Brad Crowell 29:15  

Yeah, Mom and Me Astrology. 

Lesley Logan 29:16  

Yeah, yeah. Because just to finish Brad's little point here, it's all part of a much bigger and larger cycle and plan. 

Brad Crowell 29:23  

Yeah, stick around, because we're gonna get (inaudible) be it, if we certainly do, we're gonna get into those, Be It Action Items that they laid out for us on the pod. We will be right back. 

Brad Crowell 29:33  

All right. Welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items, what bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Mary and Kate Swick? I'm gonna jump in first here. I am cancer sun sign. So I was born under that cancer. Will be handed power, but may feel uncomfortable managing it or forming alliances. Cancer may hold taboo or secrets needed to navigate private matters carefully, interesting, because what we see happening next year is growth with the company and my entire shift, my entire goal, has been for us to grow OPC and begin to rub elbows with some other companies so that we can partner with them for marketing efforts and growth efforts and collaboration and all this stuff, but not on a local level, now on a national level, and eventually on an international level, would be our grandiose goal. So I just find it really interesting that may put me in an uncomfortable situation which I get that I could see how that I could be in a room with people who are running a conglomerate, and it might make me feel like imposter syndrome, or whatever it might be. 

Lesley Logan 30:41  

And knowing that is helpful, because then you go, Okay, I'm gonna feel this way, but I'm supposed to be here. I've been handed this power, and so I'm gonna be uncomfortable. It doesn't mean I can't do use this to my advantage. 

Brad Crowell 30:51  

Well actually, so the cancers may hold taboo or secrets really well when navigating private matters. So you know, if you're maybe a therapist, or you've got someone going through something, what I find really interesting is the environments that I came from were prone to secrecy, because there was a lot of controversy in the work environment that I used to work in, right? And I already feel like prepared for this kind of a thing. There's definitely intimacy being heightened coming up, and then cancers are encouraged to prioritize therapeutic services because of it. And there's a couple of action steps here. It's time to reflect on my needs in relationships, and not just intimate relationships, but just relationships in general, and then also explore what fulfills me emotionally and physically. Therapeutic services will help me process and escape into healing activities like mental health walks or yoga, which is interesting because I I totally was driven to that before, when my life was incredibly stressful 10 years ago. I'm excited to see some of that stuff coming back around, and I'm excited to embrace it so very interesting.

Lesley Logan 31:56  

And if you are not a Cancer or an Aquarius, because I'm going to go into mine and you're like, but I'm another sign, we talked about it in the other episode. 

Brad Crowell 32:04  

We did talk about it.

Lesley Logan 32:04  

But also, I think what's really cool over the next year and years, you're gonna hear Brad and I talk about some things, and I think it's going to reveal itself how these things are evolving in our lives, because we're pretty open with you guys about what's going on with our lives and what's going on business, what we're going through. And so, for example, I'm an Aquarius, like Kate and Pluto is in Aquarius. So we are here, and Aquarius requires you rebirthing yourself. And this is something that they talked about when they read my chart. It did come up. You may, as Aquarians, and this is if your sun sign, and also your rising could be Aquarius. This could apply to you. Same goes for cancer. It can be your sun sign or your rising sign. So you may experience a tightly packed, intense schedule. I literally made my assistant already send Brad a screenshot of Q1. Yeah, it's in Slack, babe. It's about belief. Are we sure we want to insert this into this quarter? Can we at all look at the next quarter for this Belize trip, and it's because it's already looking very full, and we're not in it yet. And so it's coming through, and you'll hear in my FYF, like, I'm really proud of myself, because I did plan a birthday trip that doesn't need to happen, but I want it to happen. And yes, it adds the intense schedule, but I want Brad to experience a beautiful place that I love. So anyways, it's gonna be in a tightly packed, intense schedule, however, this can lead to big bucks or better bucks than what you've experienced in the past. And so now I'm like, Okay, well, some of that schedule can stay. So Aquarians are encouraged to prioritize their health. I mean, I do, but you should, and if you haven't listened to the ads on this podcast, there's a lot of ways to prioritize your health here, and is it, particularly in the reproductive and unlimited native areas. And I just want to say I've actually been focusing a lot, ladies, if you're over 40, that means, like talking about looking at your hormone health. It doesn't mean to have a baby. I'm just really focused on keeping my hormones as long as I fucking can, and then eliminative areas. It's look at your digestive system. That's what I'm saying. They also said for Aquarians, there's a need to differentiate yourself now, showing more creativity and innovation and how you dress or present yourself. Here's what's so funny. I'm already planning this photo shoot that we're going to do with Monica Linda from Girl Squad, because we're doing a photo shoot with the new decks, and like to get some pictures for future tours. I bought the most amazing fur coat, I mean, the most amazing fur coat, and then I got the skirt that I showed you. And I have wanted to, I want to update the podcast, art and things like that. And if you haven't noticed, I've been wearing more regular clothes lately, you guys. And here's the thing, it's because I'm in a big transition. Yeah, I am showing up, and they said, remind Aquarians this is a big transition. So it does not happen overnight. So I think it's going to take all of 2025 for the new mystic comp. But in my chart reading as an Aquarius, they said, like, you're gonna have a new look. And I have been over this last year changing. I got rid of the eyelashes, right? And I've been practicing makeup, and I've been practicing these different things, and I had started doing my nails. And I'm fucking obsessed with these nails. If you're on YouTube, aren't they beautiful? They're more beautiful than when I came home. So at any rate, like, if you're an Aquarian, we are the weirdo sign. We are the alien sign. We need to stop playing like, ooh, let me hide. I'm an alien. Let's be the weirdos and be the aliens, because this is our time. It's not going to happen in your lifetime again. The last time Pluto entered Aquarius, it was the French Revolution. If I recall, that should have been 1700s that should definitely been a forewarning. 

Brad Crowell 32:13  

The last part, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 34:50  

So let's enjoy the next 20 years (inaudible). Anyways, I hope that you enjoy this. I know there's a lot of information, but please again, use the transcripts, because that can help you sometimes reading it and hearing it and seeing it can help you with your sign and let us know what takeaways you had for your sign. I want to share those. Instead of sharing the wins, I'll share what you took away from it. It's totally fabulous, and I'm really excited to hear how this helped you. They did a lot of research to help both planets. We are so lucky that we got that. If you do want your chart read by them, listen to what they said on that last podcast episode. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 36:04  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 36:05  

Thank you so much for listening. Hey, Happy Fucking New Year. 

Brad Crowell 36:08  

Happy New Year.

Lesley Logan 36:09  

We didn't say that the beginning. 

Brad Crowell 36:11  

We did not say that. Happy New Year. 

Lesley Logan 36:12  

Happy New Year. Happy New Year. I don't believe in resolutions. I believe in upgrades, just like your phone. I say this all the time, your phone just updates itself, and then you have the same phone with better systems. And that's what every new year is, to me. It's taking you and just making the systems better based on what you didn't like and what you did like. So share this with a friend who needs it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 36:38  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 36:40  

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Brad Crowell 37:23  

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Lesley Logan connects with Kate and Mary Swick of Mom, Me, and Astrology to decode what Pluto and Uranus’ big moves mean for each zodiac sign. Discover how these changes can inspire personal breakthroughs, business innovations, and improvements. Learn how to navigate the year ahead with confidence, authenticity, and an empowered sense of purpose.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Understanding Pluto and Uranus’ major shifts in 2025
• Each zodiac sign’s main challenges, opportunities, and transformations.
• Using astrology as a validating tool rather than a deterministic prediction.
• How to integrate cosmic changes into routines, work life, and self-care practices.

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• Kate Swick Website - https://www.kateswick.com 
• Kate Swick Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/the_kateswick
• Mary Swick Website - https://maryswick.com
• Mom and Me Astrology Podcast - https://beitpod.com/astrolgypodcast

Guest Bio:

Mary and Kate Swick are the mother-daughter duo behind the popular podcast "Mom and Me Astrology."

Mary's journey with astrology began in 1980, blossoming into a career spanning over 35 years. She launched her full-time practice in Las Vegas in 1995 and later incorporated Feng Shui, drawing on her bachelor's degree in Family Environment from Iowa State University. Mary's expertise has benefited residences and major establishments, where she combined astrological insights with environmental design. 

Kate, having grown up immersed in astrology, is a seasoned astrologer, Tarot reader, and Feng Shui consultant. She has built an impressive client base including high-end brands like Dior, Porsche, and Tory Burch. Renowned for her accurate predictions and personalized readings, Kate empowers clients to understand their strengths and navigate life's challenges. Featured in various publications, she also speaks at international events.

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Episode Transcript:

Mary Swick 0:00  

Astrology is not about okay, you're going to be punished now. No, no, no. It's going to create circumstances that make you so uncomfortable, that motivates you to make the change. 

Lesley Logan 0:11  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:54  

All right, Be It babe. We have a very packed episode. I'm just going to say it. I've been wanting to do this with these two ladies for a really long time I listen to their podcast every Monday. We have Mom, Me, And Astrology. We have the hosts of that, Kate and Mary Swick. Ladies, thank you so much for being here. I'm gonna let you guys kick us off, because we have a lot to talk about, about astrology and 2025. 2024 was a lot. So I'm hoping you have good news for all of us.

Kate Swick 1:19  

Absolutely. Well, we're excited to talk about 2025 I know whenever we start closing up the previous year, we start putting a lot of hopes and wishes and dreams into what the next year can hold. And so today we're going to talk about two major planetary moves that we're going to see next year. And we thought it was so fitting, because I'm an Aquarius and my mom is a Scorpio, and so we're both of our ruling planets, mine being Uranus and hers being Pluto are two of the planets that are changing signs. And so we thought, let's talk about how you're going to be inventive next year and where you're going to grow. 

Lesley Logan 1:54  

Oh my gosh. 

Mary Swick 1:55  

She's right. A lot of that is being truthful, being truthful. And we've had a great headline in our news, just here in the last six months, where a president went out of the trajectory he could have run, he chose not to, or forced whatever the story was, makes no difference. That is the story for 2025. (inaudible) hear it. You're going to be more truthful, and, as Kate said, inventive, and you're going to go out of your trajectory. Now, that's exciting. 

Lesley Logan 2:27  

Yeah, oh my gosh. You guys, we have two, you just heard two voices. We have Kate and we have Mary. Mary's been doing this for 50 years? How long you've been doing this (inaudible)? 

Mary Swick 2:37  

Oh, come on. Don't age me that much. You know what, if I would go back, it's been over 35 years. 

Lesley Logan 2:43  

Okay, okay. And Kate was, like, born into it, and so the two of you have seen a lot, not every single different transition, but a lot of these transitions. So I feel like we're in the best of hands. So why don't you guys kick us off now that we've thought about her about being inventive and truthful in 2025. 

Kate Swick 3:02  

Yeah. So I think that's an interesting point that you made about because we've been doing it for so long. I mean, obviously, mom a little longer, but I have been around the language the two that we're talking about for next year. We, actually, none of us, have lived through it. That's how big of a deal this is. So this is not something like Mercury Retrograde that happens two to three times a year, where you can take your age and times it by three. That's how many times you've been through it. The last time that we saw Pluto and Aquarius was 1777 right? So none of us were

Mary Swick 3:31  

(inaudible) famous or famous year. 

Kate Swick 3:34  

Yes. So none of us have lived through that. And same as we talk about Uranus, that one does happen a little bit more often about 88 years ago. So there's a small, small population that has gone through that one.

Lesley Logan 3:46  

I know. But also, one of the things that you guys are so great at is when it's something that's happened in your life before, it's like, well, how did it go for you? Right? And when, if we do have any 88 year olds listening, thank you so much. But also they probably don't remember the year they were born. So, you know, like, right? So I feel like even if you have lived through it, you might not remember how it went for you. 

Kate Swick 4:06  

Very true. You would have been so young. You would have been so young. But we have seen Pluto move signs. So for most of us, we can relate to the disruption that 2008 2009 brought in that we're seeing Pluto change signs again. And although we're talking about Pluto from a 2025 standpoint, we've been feeling it already all of 2023 and 2024 so you might think, well, why are we still talking about this? 

Mary Swick 4:33  

Really. 

Kate Swick 4:33  

You know, but it just, it's slowly, it's got to zero degrees, then it retrogrades back, and then it gets to one degree, and then it retrogrades back. So we have not we've been tested. We've been preparing for it, and we get more confident with it as we it's just like a bike those first couple years of it was like, what the heck is this? And we're hoping that as everyone goes into 2025 you confidently get on that bike and to take the growth and the change or the truth that needs to be seen and done.

Lesley Logan 5:04  

I love that. 

Mary Swick 5:05  

So should we jump into the signs? Kate, are we ready? 

Lesley Logan 5:08  

Yeah, I'm ready. 

Mary Swick 5:10  

So let's kick it off with Aries. Okay, and I would say Aries have to be embarrassingly honest. Where do they belong? I don't belong in this group. It really isn't me. I've been faking it. I need to go into this group so we could be talking professionally, we could be talking personally, we could even be talking family. It's the team, it's the club, it's the people that you circle around. You've been getting hints about this, but now is real. It's time to step out and to do your own thing, start your own company, start your own project, whatever. But this is a kind of the breakthrough, so to speak. There's no facades anymore, and it could be stripped away from you as well if you're reluctant, right? Yeah.

Lesley Logan 5:56  

Yeah. I feel like when you fight anything, it doesn't go so well. (inaudible)

Kate Swick 6:03  

And then for Aries, from the Uranus standpoint, I think 2025 is the year to be spontaneous, to prove your capabilities beyond just your education or your past jobs. So they're getting a little bit more limber in their mind, maybe even in their body. Of what can I do? Maybe they're saying I don't need a certificate to do what I want to do. 

Lesley Logan 6:26  

That's cool, but that works really well with what Pluto is asking Aries to do. So hopefully that's for every sign, but I like it for the Aries people.

Kate Swick 6:34  

Like we're up to a good start. 

Mary Swick 6:35  

Easier than the others. I might (inaudible) move on to Taurus. It's a different thing there. I suspect most Tauruses are saying how did I get myself into the situation I'm currently in? There could be some sense of a stranglehold. There could be some sense of oh, my God, this is more, too much. I can't handle this. Or feeling if they're really being pushed, tested. This is their reputation that's being redefined, and there's usually some sort of initiation that you have to go through, and that's where the Tauruses are at, so to speak. So there is some challenges there for Taurus. I'm sorry, so that all can't be as easy, so to speak, but it delivers. There's always a reward. Astrology is not about okay, you're going to be punished now. No, no, no. It's going to create circumstances that make you so uncomfortable that motivates you to make the change. And that's what Tauruses are looking at, and they're having a baptism by fire.

Kate Swick 7:33  

And because with what mom just talked about it, seeing there public reputation. Think of their LinkedIn. What is my title? How do people address me when we look at the Uranus piece, it's affecting their money, right? And Uranus is this idea of surprise, shocking, taking us out of the trajectory that we've known. And so for Tauruses, I would say, anticipate some good news, or some something exciting around their money, so they could be creating new streams of income, or they might be redefining what security looks like to them. So security can come through money. But we also have to throw a little bit of love in there as well.

Mary Swick 8:11  

Should we go on to Gemini? 

Lesley Logan 8:13  

Yeah, let's do it. 

Mary Swick 8:14  

Gemini. You know, they could be suffering a little bit from imposter syndrome, very strongly. They could be going oh, my God, I'm in over my head. They've assumed I know something, and I really don't. I'm not up to speed. If there's a favorable one, Gemini is getting the benefit of the doubt here. They're getting pulled in, whether they're getting promoted, whether they're given an opportunity. Hey, we'll support you. You go take these classes, you know, have this opportunity, go represent us. It's very good. So my message to Geminis is, in 2025, yeah, you're going to be a little overwhelmed, but it's going to be very flattering for you for where it's going to take you, go there.

Lesley Logan 8:56  

I love that, Mary, because it's like imposter syndrome can be such a negative, people like I have imposter syndrom, it's negative, but it's we're often having that because we're in a new situation, that we're uncomfortable, and so, go Geminis. You're going to have something overwhelming in a flattering way. 

Mary Swick 9:12  

That's right.

Kate Swick 9:14  

And that pairs very nicely with Uranus, because I don't think we quite said it yet. We know Pluto is moving into Aquarius, but Uranus is moving into Gemini. So Uranus is moving into the sign of Gemini. So while it's affecting the things that mom said as well with Pluto, Uranus is saying, break out, change that those outwardly behaviors that people see. So you might be surprising people. Where are you showing up? Are you dressed in a suit? Where last time the job that I saw you, you were dressed in joggers, right? So there should be an outward appearance by our Geminis that they have changed. It might be age inappropriate. It might not seem like that was the next logical step. So there could be a surprise element for what they're up to or what opportunities they're getting.

Mary Swick 9:57  

And what about Cancer? Those Cancers. They're being handed power, but they may feel very uncomfortable what to do with this power. They may want to make an alliance with someone, and then they realize, oh, now there's complications, because I've lined up with that person. So Cancer is walking a very fine line. They may have a lot of taboo or secrets that they need to hold. Think of upper management reorganization. They know stuff that's going to happen. They've got to zip their lip in the meantime. But we could also be talking about, oh, I've got a big debt issue. I don't want people to know I'm teetering on bankruptcy again. Those are extreme storylines, but they're great examples where you just not glib. You're not going to chat it up with everybody about what's going on. 

Lesley Logan 10:45  

Because the opposite of Aries. 

Mary Swick 10:47  

I want to add sex into this conversation, because there's intimacy, some tabooness, maybe some gossip, maybe something that you're trying to not have everyone understand, and maybe some sort of sexual awakening going on. Yeah, have fun. 

Kate Swick 11:05  

From the Uranus standpoint, I think Cancers are putting more of a focus on health in regards to maybe becoming more aware of what do I need for therapeutic services? Now, for some people that might go into, oh, I need to go to the doctor. I need to get something checked out. But other people that might transpire, and I need to go to yoga, I need to go to the gym. I need to take mental health walks, things that assist them with essentially, kind of escaping to heal themselves.

Mary Swick 11:35  

So let's go on to Leo. Leo, you know, they have an awakeness about beauty, a greater esthetic going on. And that sounds fun. It sounds like they might be around maybe more wealth. They might be around beauty. They may have really influential people in their lives, and they're sitting first row and seeing, oh my gosh, they're seeing how they dress, or what their closet looks like. So they may be privy to this next level of living. And of course, they're going to be little apprentices sitting there watching how these people are living and wanting to emulate or adapt to it. So that sounds kind of fun, number one. But the other thing is, they're finding some passion, finding some passion something that motivates them. Again, so I'm pretty cool with the Leos. Yes, it's a possibility. They're being overwhelmed with someone who's has a lot of power influence, that they're getting sucked up. They're losing their identity. Well, those are all the lessons, right? They may do that temporarily, until they realize, you know, okay, that's not me, that's them.

Lesley Logan 12:37  

I like that. That's also because the Leo's, you know, my brother is a Leo. He's a Leo energy. We were in Cambodia, and every picture, he was in every picture, I'm like, how are you in every picture? There's 23 people on this retreat. How are you in every picture? 

Mary Swick 12:54  

They do have an ego. We'll give them that. But that's why this idea of, okay, is this me or is this them? But it's a learning, big learning curve. Being inducted would be another life, nice way of saying it. 

Kate Swick 13:07  

And I think Leo's next year might surprise people with what type of groups they're showing up in. So for example, if someone's a Leo and they've always been in a certain industry, this would be typical under a Uranus energy to say, oh, now I'm in the restaurant industry used to know me in the spa industry, but now, hello, I'm over here. So the idea of who is that group, who is that community, they should be showing up in new communities. And it's also a big one for being on a learning curve. So your Leo friends might be throwing out some interesting things that they're interested in that you thought. I had no idea that you were interested in that topic, because they are hungry for new knowledge.

Mary Swick 13:46  

And the Virgos, oh my gosh, the Virgos are getting very sensitive about discrimination. You know what? They're going to have, kind of this radar about unequal relationships, where they're being spoken down to, but also where, oh, everyone's listening to me now. I can be the teacher. I can be a coach. I can be the trainer. So it works both ways. One way, of course, they may want to prove themselves. Get out of that situation. Their work environment is going through a little revolution, the company, the department, or their individual business, they're having to make some dramatic changes.

Kate Swick 14:26  

Yeah, and that's really being doubled down by the Uranus, because we have Uranus sitting at the top of their chart. So I'm talking about sixth house, which is how they serve, and then the 10th house is the public reputation on top of it. So even though their work has been in a transformative state. I think as we go into next year, maybe they're going to be thrown into a role that they weren't totally prepared for, or they might have opportunities to show more of their inventiveness. This can also translate into the home where, if they're flip-flopping about, do we want to live here? Do I want to lease this? Do I want to resign my lease at the office, there could be a little confusion about where they're showing up or where their foundation is.

Mary Swick 15:07  

(inaudible) I'm sorry. 

Lesley Logan 15:09  

That's right, I was just gonna say that's a lot for the Virgos, especially because don't, aren't they the ones that like it in balance? 

Mary Swick 15:14  

Maybe I think (inaudible)

Kate Swick 15:16  

I agree for the ones that we've talked about so far, that one is hitting so much of the way that they serve. The other ones are kind of spread out. We have a little here and, yeah, a little here. And I feel like for them, it's a little bit more pointed on what they're dealing with. 

Lesley Logan 15:28  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Kate Swick 15:30  

We are halfway through the signs. So I didn't know if there was any questions that you have so far about what we're discussing. Or we can go right into Libra. 

Lesley Logan 15:38  

Well, just for a quick in case anyone is wondering about the house. Just like, and I know that's it's its own thing, but can people find out their houses through you guys? Where do they find their houses? Just in case that is a thing that they're wondering.

Kate Swick 15:55  

Yeah. So today we're just talking solar astrology. So we're basing the houses based just on their sun sign. So anyone that's a little bit more versed in astrology, they could be listening for their rising sign, and this would be very applicable to them as well. But if someone has no idea, they've never put their birth information into CoStar or they've never had a professional astrology reading, we offer services that would go more into understanding that natal chart, or talking about specifically, where is it happening in that birth chart? Solar astrology still has so much validity and even if we have someone's natal chart, many times, we still do incorporate the solar astrology aspect that we're talking about today.

Lesley Logan 16:37  

Yeah, if you go back, you guys and hit rewind, because you might have heard your rising like they did my rising. You can listen to that. And you can also listen to your sun sign, the one that we look in the magazines, for you guys, in case you really need to layman's terms it. And you can go, oh, this one actually feels more like what's going on. And you can kind of rest, right? It's not you pick and choose what you like, but you can kind of go, that feels more aligned with what's going on. 

Kate Swick 16:59  

Absolutely. Because astrology is just the communication language. Astrologers, like to me, are like therapists. You know, you have to find one that they speak your language and the words resonate so you could hear two different astrologers talking, getting at the same thing, but because their language is a little different, maybe you relate to one more than the other. 

Mary Swick 17:18  

Wonderful. Well, let's move on to Libra. Libra is finding or should I put it this way, the audience is finding Libras. The audience is finding Libras. Then often they go, oh, these people are interested. These people want to hear what I do, or they want to experience it. So whether it's just a random contact with someone says, Would you be interested in coming to our group? That's a case where the audience finds them. So kind of shoe on the other foot, we always think we have to go out and conquer and find and sometimes the group finds you. That's what's going on with Libras. At the same time they're probably facing some and I'm going to say demons, inner demons, that we could be head stuff, but we can also be talking the physical body. Oh, I need to take care of this. I need to be more mindful of my physical body. So they've got all battle going on, but at the same time, I almost will, within the same week, they'll also have someone reaching out to them and saying, I like what you do. Can you do it for me? Can you do it for us? So I think Libras have some great things to look forward to. 

Lesley Logan 18:28  

Yeah.

Kate Swick 18:28  

Livelihood is one of the words that I would throw in when describing what Libras are going through from the Pluto standpoint. They're questioning is that my livelihood vitality, but with the Uranus, the Uranus also supports it very nice, because it's happening in that solar ninth house, and mom's saying people are finding them. And then the Uranus also suggests that they're being placed a little bit on a pedestal. They're being invited in. They're being given opportunities to be heard and seen on a much larger level. So sometimes that can be oh, because they're jumping on a plane and they're traveling to another city or another country and taking pictures. But also, if they're in business, they might say people in other states now are finding my name or on my website or listening to my podcast, they might feel like they have a larger web of who they can infiltrate.

Lesley Logan 19:20  

That's so fun. 

Mary Swick 19:22  

That's a great combination for Libras. 

Lesley Logan 19:24  

Yeah, they're gonna be, they're having the great year. If they want to be found, if you're on a watch list. 

Mary Swick 19:29  

They're going where it takes them absolutely. The (inaudible), on the other hand. Now, okay, we should play some somber music for this one. The idea is the home environment. There's something been very disruptive in the home environment for Scorpios, they've already felt it here in 2024 it's going to continue through 2025 and yes, it's creating some sense of maybe, oh, a crisis. This needs to be taken care of, whether it's a maintenance issue, whether it's a behavior, whether it's health, whatever the matter is here, there are some sense of disconnect from home. Home isn't running the way it normally does. So needless to say, great time for Scorpios to get anything therapeutic, whatever feeds them, whatever can make them feel fun or whole or complete, so to speak. To counter all this heaviness going on. It's a big energy. Obviously, they may be releasing a lot of things. I would recommend it practice taking out the trash more often, you know, have more things in that trash can because you're releasing, your processing. I mean, it's the cheapest therapy, right, that you can get clean off the shelf. 

Lesley Logan 20:37  

Throw stuff away. 

Mary Swick 20:37  

It starts there. 

Kate Swick 20:39  

And then for Scorpios, for Uranus, there is also a money theme to this one as well, but they might be making kind of a surprising or shocking change in how they view money, or how they're restructuring the money that they have. So yes, they could have a surprise. Oh, I'm going to make my money this way, or my partner's money has changed a little bit. It doesn't have to be just seen in the negative when we talk about the change, though, it can be something that, oh, that was actually very beneficial for us. It can also bring about awareness of mortality when we talk about that eighth house. So the idea of feeling like mortality, they have more awareness of it. And that doesn't have to mean someone passes away, but they just have the language around the idea of closing a chapter. And what does that new one look like.

Mary Swick 21:28  

Sagittarius. I would say to Sagittarius, beware of betrayal. Now that sounds like a little bit detective thing, but it's the idea of what is the truth. We went back to that example, that 2025 is a truthful year. You're going off your trajectory. Sometimes there can be a little trickster in this, and someone could be feeding you gossip or the worst case scenario, and be careful not to buy into it, because there's going to be intense conversations. The schedule is apt to be disrupted, and that can be just mundane stuff that can do that, so to speak, but it's an intense time period, so they have to be very careful with their own word, what they're repeating, but also who's in their ear, and is it clean information? That would be the key thing there. That idea of being the editor, maybe that's the word. Sagittarius needs to be a great editor this year in what they're hearing and deciding what is actually truthful.

Kate Swick 22:28  

And for the Uranus piece, it's affecting the area of partnerships and relationships. So we can go to sexual partners, but we can also go to professional partners as well. Sagittarius might be starting to conduct relationships in a little bit of a different way than they're used to. Now, if you're listening to this thinking, oh no, what's going to happen to me, right? The chart does meet you where you're at, so not everyone's going to experience it the same way. But if you're someone that says, oh, we've always shown up everywhere together, you might say, I'm going on my first girls trip. I'm branching off a little bit. And if it's not you requiring more freedom, then it can be partner requiring more freedom as well. 

Lesley Logan 23:08  

Which gives you some freedom because they're gonna.

Kate Swick 23:10  

Which it does. 

Lesley Logan 23:11  

Yeah, I know when my husband goes off to see his friends, I'm like, that's awesome.

Kate Swick 23:18  

Yeah and if you're not in a partnership, because that's possible, there's Sagittarius listening and thinking well, how does that affect me if I'm not in a partnership, anyone that we sign contracts with would be considered a partnership. So if you're leasing from someone right, there could be something that changes rather quickly, where, oh, I'm just going to go month to month now leasing, instead of the full years, there should still be a little bit of that inventiveness around what partnerships look like. 

Mary Swick 23:45  

It could also be a very unlikely partnership, yeah, who are you with? And who is that? And that's unlike anyone you've been around before. Very fast moving. Well, let's talk Capricorns. Capricorns, I do think that they're mining, mining like digging. And they're taking, maybe they're finding a talent, ability, and now they're thinking, could this be a source of income? How deep can I get into this? So I'm saying they're finding talents and abilities about themselves. Now somebody else may be pointing it out. Oh, you're really good at this. Would you do it for me? It could be the start. If we have any Capricorns out there, we're trying to launch a side hustle, or a business, or things of that nature, would be very good. But they're going deeper in their talents and with their money. So of course, if we got a spending problem, oh, they're going to recognize it pretty quickly here, and have to put the band aid on or tear the band aid off, whichever is more appropriate there. But I think they have to be truthful about what they're really good at.

Kate Swick 24:52  

One other thing I might mention for Capricorn while we're talking about Pluto is we have to recognize that since 2008 Pluto has been going through every single degree of Capricorn. So our Capricorns have been through it since 2008, and Pluto, we've talked about it demands change and transformation. So they've been transforming. They've been changing. And now where Pluto's moving, they might say, I long for security. I want to be in this relationship for a long time. I want to live in this home for a long time. I want to work at this place for a long time, and security's gonna look different for everyone. But I think we do need to congratulate Capricorns. You know that it is done as we get into those first few months of 2025. 

Lesley Logan 25:35  

You made it. You guys made it. 

Mary Swick 25:38  

Yeah, finally, finally.

Kate Swick 25:40  

And then, when we talk about Uranus for Capricorns also affecting the workplace, so they should expect some exciting news or some change or some inventiveness in how they work. Are they outgrowing peers? Are they having new opportunities to teach or train or coach? Those would all be very exciting and supportive of Uranus.

Mary Swick 26:05  

And then we have Aquarius. I feel badly talking about Aquarius, where I've got you sitting right here, but I'll start out with Aquarius requires you rebirthing yourself, maybe under pressure. So I want you to think of the idea of gold. Gold forms under pressure. That's what Aquariuses are. So their timing, their schedule, could be a log jam, so to speak, but they will succeed, push through it, so to speak. I do think that this is very good for those in business. This can be leading to, let's say, big bucks or better bucks, than what they've experienced in the past. So we have some favorable things here. I would remind them take care of themselves, particularly in the reproductive area, the eliminative areas of the body, very important under this energy. I want to tell us a story. I hope you don't mind Kate, but she's an Aquarius, and you know she.

Kate Swick 26:58  

Lesley is, too. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 27:00  

I just heard all good news for me. I looked at my schedule, it looks a little log jam, so we already working on that, but I heard big bucks. And so I'm very interested, but I do want to hear Kate's Aquarian story.

Mary Swick 27:14  

Well, you know, Kate booked a room at the Luxor to watch the demolition of the Tropicana. She wanted to see it firsthand.

Lesley Logan 27:23  

Yeah, I looked at the videos, Kate, it looks like the smoke took over the rooms,

Mary Swick 27:29  

Exactly. It's a simple story. Oh, I want to see it firsthand. That's what Aquarius are doing. They're coming close to the fire. They're coming close to transitional energies. Energies that will take. We know what's going to happen on the Tropicana site, where we've seen the plans of what is going to be built. They want to be a part of this big reinvention of themselves. And it's scary, but it's very exciting, because these are long energies. This isn't like a, oh, 18-month energy, then it's going to be over. It's a 20-year energy. So congratulations, Kate. (inaudible)

Kate Swick 28:04  

She makes a good point about you might hear all of this and sound overwhelmed. I have to do all that, you know, and just the fact that I'll speak in the first person in this, I was attracted to seeing that Tropicana go down, because it's just mirroring something that I know is maybe brewing in my own life. So for Aquarians, when we start talking about Uranus, this is a big one for showing more creativity and innovation, and with where it's hitting, it might start showing up in the wardrobe, in how you're dressing, in how you're wearing your makeup, and how you're wearing your hair. There is a need to differentiate yourself. Now, for Aquarians, that might just sound like you guys are always differentiating yourselves. You are the alien of the group. But again, there's more of a need to do it. It's a big one for performative skills and leadership opportunities, we need to be seen. 

Lesley Logan 28:58  

Kate, I love this for us. I'm just.

Kate Swick 29:06  

I think it adds a kind of a performative piece to the Pluto, because I do think that can be kind of emotional. And like mom said, just like the Tropicana going down, we know that that's going to be 18 months or something before we see what's going there. It doesn't happen overnight. Aquarians right now are not working on things that can be put on the to-do list in the morning and then crossed off by the end of the night. 

Mary Swick 29:28  

Right. Very good point. Yes, yes. 

Kate Swick 29:30  

I think we're lucky right now, if we put it on our 2024 vision board, will we see it before the beginning of 2025? 

Lesley Logan 29:37  

That resonates so much with me, because we're in the middle of transitioning something in one of our businesses, and when we came up with this idea was already at the time we're recording this, you guys, was already four months ago. By the time it's unveiled publicly, it'll be six months from this. And so as someone who loves things that happen like this, I've had to go this particular project is going to take time for it to sunset, for it to transition, for it to evolve into its next thing that is also going to be successful for everyone who's involved in it. And it's the hardest thing. But thank you for bringing up the Tropicana. You guys, if you can't tell, we all live in Vegas, and you should google what the Tropicana being taken down. It was really cool. They did a whole show. But it's really cool to go, oh, a big building like that. The new transition, you can have the vision, but it's going to take time. And so thank you for bringing it up.

Kate Swick 30:26  

Yeah, and I hope that when you can launch your new thing, because I have no idea what it is, right, your thing, that there's a performative kind of aspect to launching it. I've changed, or, you know, that there's a new look that would come with it. 

Lesley Logan 30:41  

Ooh, love that. 

Mary Swick 30:41  

Fabulous. Well, let's wrap up with Pisces. I'd like to talk about Pisces. Let's talk like it's 2026, and I'm talking to a Pisces, and I'm going to say things like, how did you ever get out of that situation? Or, how did you turn lead into gold? How did you know what to do? So I'm going to suggest that Pisces, you're going to go through a storyline, probably a complex storyline that at the time you may go like, how am I going to find my answer here? You will, you will come out clean. I've had lovely stories of people who came from very harsh situations and they turned around and their life turned out really, really well. How did you survive that? How did you get through that? So we have something going on with Pisces here that certainly does suggest a challenge is there, but it also suggests a big healing going on, spiritual, mentally, psychologically, yes, it could involve the belief systems, religion. I do think, though it's going to involve maybe travel, but not comfortable poolside travel, you know, it's going to be adventurous travel, or third world country travel, something where there's a roughiness, or there's survival. How did you do that? How did you get through that? So Pisces is pulling the old magic trick, which they're naturally kind of good at that. 

Kate Swick 30:42  

I think they're extracting themselves from something. But again, these are long storylines. These are not just something that it's already done and said. And then lastly, for Pisces with the Uranus piece, this is shaking up their home. So we know that Uranus is flip-floppy, Uranus is inventive, and so they're bringing that energy into the home. Now that can be something where they're saying, oh, let's move. And they get really excited about moving. Maybe they even start the process. They get a realtor, and then they decide, oh, never mind, right? Or maybe they have a new build, and they think it's gonna be done on a certain date, but, oh, it's not so now we have to live in an apartment for a small amount of time. So again, there can just be a little bit more chaos around the home, or some flip-flopping stories. Are we coming? Are we going? So it shakes up that foundation. I would say they have a little bit of flexibility in regards to what the home looks and feels like.

Lesley Logan 33:01  

That's fun, mom, that was for you. My mom is, is a triple Pisces. 

Mary Swick 33:09  

Oh she has tons of stories that you say to her, how did you get through that, mom? Right? 

Lesley Logan 33:18  

Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Mary Swick 33:19  

They come out unscathed from storylines that are. You just think, oh, you died, right, in that, you know, they didn't take it somewhere, and they did. 

Lesley Logan 33:29  

That is so, you guys okay. So, wow, we went through all of that and these two big changes. I'm impressed with you both so much. And here's what I love about the way you guys talk about it. And Kate, you already mentioned this, but the way you guys talk about astrology is that even the things that can feel bad, they're always set ups for what is to come and where we're going to grow from these things. So I think that that's a really cool way of looking at it, because when I was growing up and I looked at the horoscopes in the magazines, you're going to have a really bad day. You're losing money like it just felt like these dark calls, but every single sign feels like they have something to challenge themselves in the next year. And then for Aquarians, it sounds like we get Pluto for 20 but if the big bucks keep coming for 20 years, I'm cool with that. But, we all have something to challenge. And then there's some other parts of us that's highlighting, and it's bringing out parts of us that need to be seen or want to be seen. And so I feel really cool about this. We're going to take a brief break and then find out how people can work with you if they want to know more about their chart. 

Lesley Logan 34:32  

Okay, Kate and Mary, if our listeners are more than a little curious, they actually gonna go, hold on, I need a little more deeper. Also, you mentioned, Kate, astrology can be like a therapist. You need to find the one that works for you, something that when I listen to her to this podcast, Mom, Me and Astrology, you guys, you have to listen every Monday. It's how we set up the week. Brad and I (inaudible) listen. But what I like is that it is more of how did this feel last time you went through it? Because you really kind of give people the opportunity to shape and work with these energies, work with these planet changes. So how can people work with you? 

Mary Swick 35:04  

Well, I'm very simple at this point, because I'm retiring out. I'm totally dedicated to the podcast. I love it. I want to do more of the podcast, but I'm not taking on new clients at this point, so I'm not looking to do a lot excessive scheduling. I'm in my 70s. So I'm trying to just hand off what I can to Kate and support her, of course. But I really like the idea of getting the message out there about astrology.

Lesley Logan 35:29  

I love you. You even you know that several of us talk about how fun you are to listen to. And I also love that you are enjoying your like semi-retirement and allowing that boundary. We all should learn from that. So.

Mary Swick 35:35  

So you see it to be it, sometimes it's hard to unbecome it.

Lesley Logan 35:47  

Yeah, oh yeah, no. 

Mary Swick 35:50  

(inaudible) on the flip side that you could put a focus on that.

Lesley Logan 35:53  

I know, well, you have to be it till you see it, retirement. This is you doing it. You're right now acting as if, because we're recording this for the future. So you just called that out. You just, you guys just witnessed being it until you see it right there, everyone. Oh, loving Mary, you get to listen to her every Monday on their podcast, but we can work with the lovely Kate. So how can people connect with you?

Kate Swick 36:12  

Yeah, my website would probably be the best place to start. kateswick.com, I'm also on Instagram, and have a small TikTok, but just to do some videos so people can see what I'm doing throughout the week from an astrology standpoint, but the website would be the best place to go. You can book services right through there, and they start just at 30 minutes. Or if you're saying I need more than that, you can go up to 90 minutes. But I always think, especially someone that's a little astrology curious, we get a lot of information in 30 minutes.

Lesley Logan 36:12  

I mean, we just went through 12 signs and two planets in like 35 so. 

Kate Swick 36:37  

Exactly. 

Lesley Logan 36:40  

Imagine if they were just focused on you.

Kate Swick 36:50  

Yes, get right to the point we don't like fluff. 

Lesley Logan 36:53  

And you guys, if you want to go back through archives, I was the Aquarian episode in 2023 and I know that can sound like it's far away, but I really got so much from that, and it wasn't even a full 30 you know what I mean? Well, I got so much, so you guys can get a lot in 30 minutes, and then if you need more, you can do that. Ladies, you gave us so much. And when we talk about the be it action items at the end of the episode, I guess if you have any tips for applying astrology in our lives, or any takeaways from these when planets change, like how we should implement that? I would love to wrap the show up with your answers on that. 

Mary Swick 37:30  

I have something pretty simple to say. It just helps. It's like having a friend who can just give an opinion or show something to you that you didn't see yourself. Astrology is very validating, not as much as it is predictive. I mean, we say predictive, but it's really validation is the key to it. If you're getting the green light, that kind of says go. Get the yellow light, oh, maybe not, you know, slow down, not the right time. It's a valuable, valuable tool. 

Lesley Logan 38:02  

I love that as an item, as a way to look at it as a validation. I think that's a it's a really wonderful thing. And I know we always want to use a prediction, but I find it's easier to look backwards and go, oh, that's how that showed up, right there. We'll all know what happened this Sunday, that (inaudible) it was all in the stars. We're all going to be there. We didn't know what the thing was until it happened. So yeah.

Kate Swick 38:23  

I agree. Validation is the word that comes to my mind. I think a lot of times, astrology is seen as, oh, they're going to give me the answer, they're going to tell me what to do. And astrology just says these are the energies that you're under. And, one, so it goes into that validation, okay, that's what I'm feeling, that's what I'm doing. So you're not questioning yourself. Did I mess it up? Am I in the wrong place? Am I in the wrong time? Do I just throw everything away? So the validation piece is there, but also knowing what's going to happen, especially when you go through hard things, for example, being in Aquarius and being under this Pluto energy for the past 18 months, like, when hard things happen, then I'm just like, oh, Pluto chucks, you're here again. Obviously it doesn't take away from the emotion of what I'm going through, but it almost just says this is temporary. I'm learning a lesson here, not to blame astrology, but to just understand I'm going through and dealing with exactly what I'm supposed to be dealing. I'm not the victim. I'm not being punished. This is all part of much larger plan and a much larger cycle. 

Mary Swick 39:23  

And believe, Kate and I have been going through some really strong health issues for my husband, her father. So we have so had Pluto energy tracking it. And I know every day we look at each other and go another Pluto story for us, you know, and yet we have very optimism. Good people go through those Pluto energies. They come out better. And I've seen some miraculous financial stories come out of these energies, so.

Lesley Logan 39:49  

Yeah, I will say, Mary, you were the one who was like, looking at my chart, and that said, you have riches. You just have to mine for them. And that validation of like, okay, because that year that we talked about that like, which hit with one thing after the next, and I was just like, am I even in the right business? Am I doing the right thing? Am I on the right track? I listened to that again. It's like, okay, no, we just have to keep working through it and digging around, and it's gonna be there. You know, after May of last year, things sort of start to come to fruition in a great way. It was like all the efforting of laying the bricks and just keep it going. It was like, Okay, we're getting there. So I agree on the validation. I also think it's really great for going, Oh, Mercury or Pluto all the way. It's a different version than, ah, shit. You know, you get to like.

Kate Swick 40:35  

So many people do that with mercury, yeah, right? Because Mercury retrograde, everyone's like, oh, Mercury retrograde. That's why my ex boyfriend's reaching back out, or that's why the call dropped. So many people already do that, and she does have a bigger scope. You have more planets to blame. 

Lesley Logan 40:48  

Yeah, share the blame. Give Mercury some time off, guys. I adore you, ladies, so much. This was a dream episode for me. I've to be really honest. I just love what you two are doing out there in the world and for all of us and you guys, go listen to their podcast. If you're like, where should I listen? Like you can listen to the weeklies, or like I was telling them before we hit record, like they have a Feng Shui series that they did in 2024 that was just really fun. And it was great. Like, okay, this is the one thing I'm gonna think about this month. And I say, think, that's really what we did. We thought about it and action will be taken another time, but, but I really enjoyed that series. So, so you guys should look at their podcast and look at the the Feng Shui series they did with the signs. You know, there's a lot of astrologists out there, but I really like the way you guys approach the week ahead. And it's not just like this week, it's this plan is changing the next two weeks. So here's how we could prepare for it. For my overachievers and perfectionist listening, it's nice because you can plan ahead when you listen to them. So thank you so much for gifting us with your amazingness and all the information and knowledge that you have. And for 2025 we're gonna be thinking of you. 

Lesley Logan 41:58  

Y'all. How are you going to use this information in your life? Make sure you tag Kate Swick. Make sure you tag the Be It Pod. Listen to their podcast. Share with us what's going on and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 42:12  

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Lesley Logan 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:47  

Welcome back to Be It Till You See It. Today is your Fuck Yeah Friday, your adult version of TGIF. You know that weekly episode that you're like, this is gonna drop, and it's gonna remind me that there are wins out there and you know what is also like, really important, if you got to this episode and you're looking for a way to skip out of it because you're like, because, like, (inaudible) what's going on? 

Brad Crowell 0:47  

Yeah. It's a big deal. 

Lesley Logan 1:06  

Does that make you think that other people are winning and you're not? We have to slap, slap, slap. 

Brad Crowell 1:12  

Change that up. 

Lesley Logan 1:12  

This is where you go and you

Brad Crowell 1:15  

This is an opportunity to know that good still happens in the world. 

Lesley Logan 1:21  

Yes. 

Brad Crowell 1:22  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 1:22  

Yes. And that led to you go, oh. Also sometimes you go oh, I had that win.

Brad Crowell 1:27  

Yeah, maybe good is happening in my life, but I'm not seeing it. 

Lesley Logan 1:30  

Yeah, Yeah. So okay, first up, the win that you sent into us is Adrienne McCaskey and she is Agency member. We probably just saw her in Pennsylvania, actually. 

Brad Crowell 1:40  

Oh, yeah. 

Lesley Logan 1:40  

So coming from my I-need-a-moment, so I'll just say, if you find yourself complaining in your life, this is me talking not Adrienne, find yourself complaining in your life, you need to finish your complaint and then find a win. So that's what's happening here. I'm struggling to think of specific wins as of late. So, that said, I'm feeling good about how I've been able to be more present with my kids after school and in my off hours. Thanks to more automation and use of my scheduling tool and trying to get clients to schedule and cancel themselves. 

Brad Crowell 2:10  

That is awesome. 

Lesley Logan 2:11  

Yeah, that's fucking amazing. 

Brad Crowell 2:13  

Fantastic. 

Lesley Logan 2:14  

That's a huge win. 

Brad Crowell 2:15  

Yeah, that's exactly why you want a scheduling tool. So, good job. 

Lesley Logan 2:19  

Yeah. Also, thanks to some tips from others and the agency group, I've been better about setting reminders and sticking to schedules for admin tasks like tax deadlines, cleaning, etc., so Idon't fall behind or let these things sneak up on me. Every little bit of organization helps. Setting a reminder and then looking at it, I mean, I think you won, Adrienne, I think you won. This is like The Game Of Life. You just won it. I love that and I love that.

Brad Crowell 2:47  

You know, I've never played that game. 

Lesley Logan 2:48  

The Game Of Life? 

Brad Crowell 2:49  

I've never played it. 

Lesley Logan 2:49  

The first time I played it, I gave me six children. I had the kids under the van and I had a split-level house, which on the card. 

Brad Crowell 2:55  

What? 

Lesley Logan 2:55  

Can you tell it traumatized me? 

Brad Crowell 2:56  

What is this game? 

Lesley Logan 2:57  

The Game Of Life? 

Brad Crowell 2:59  

Never played it. 

Lesley Logan 2:59  

Oh, we should just get it and play it at Thanksgiving. So you like spin, and it tells you like a number, and that helps you choose a job. And you pull a card and you can end up being a cop or a teacher or a surgeon, right? And then you go at other things, like, okay, now choose your pay, right? And then you draw a random card, you can get $10,000 a year, that could be your pay. But then it's like, oh, taxes are due. It's like Monopoly, but not. You're not buying much houses. But I had six kids, because every time it was like, oh, you just had a baby. It's like, oh my God. And another kid, all these kids, like, stacked on my little car. And then I had a split level house. And the drawing of the house when it was a split level had a split down like it was a trashy house. 

Brad Crowell 3:39  

Oh. 

Lesley Logan 3:38  

And by the way, split level houses are not it just means that there's a split level. So I thought The Game Of Life was being a little harsh on some people. You could also get a (inaudible). You learn about all the different types of homes you can get. It's very interesting. We have to play it. Okay, let's get back to one more win of yours. This is from Karen Campbell. Celebrating that I've been honing in on my ICA, so that's a ideal client avatar, and this week, things have really clicked. I have the most true to me, I Help statement that I have ever had. It's been a culmination of all the conversations, coaching calls, webinars, inside of Agency, as well as leaning into the use of AI for help with marketing messaging.

Brad Crowell 3:39  

Great.

Lesley Logan 3:39  

Thank you, LL, Brad, Kirsten, Kirsten has an AI course that Karen's leaning into, and Rachel Piper, and for the recent Monica Linda and Nadine Hanafi webinars. So grateful. 

Brad Crowell 4:25  

Awesome. 

Lesley Logan 4:26  

Good things are coming because I've gained the clarity needed to move the needle forward. Boom. 

Brad Crowell 4:34  

Man, she's on a roll. 

Lesley Logan 4:35  

She's on a roll. So Monica Linda has been on the Be It Pod, and so has Nadine Hanafi. And if you are wanting Nadine's amazing branding stuff, it is brilliant, and we've linked to it in her podcast episode. And so please take a look at that so you can get our little Be It Pod link to figure out what your colors are and things like that. But also, I just want to highlight this is a culmination of conversation. 

Brad Crowell 4:58  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 4:58  

I heard about I Help statement, I should have an I Help statement, and it can take time. 

Brad Crowell 5:02  

It takes time. I was just on a coaching call with another Agency member, and I'm going to remain anonymous because I didn't tell I was going to share this, but she said for years I've struggled with my I Help statement and the frustrations that I've had in the past couple weeks have suddenly made it really clear to me what my I Help statement needs to be. 

Lesley Logan 5:24  

Oh. 

Brad Crowell 5:25  

Yeah. And because when we go through some bullshit, you suddenly know what you do and don't want and who you do want to work with and you don't want to work with and why. And so it can allow those things to become more clear, but maybe sometimes you just have to go through something first before that clarity comes to you. So it's a tough thing to demand instantaneously, even though you can be thinking about it, thinking about it. So Karen, I know it's really exciting, so I'm happy for you. This is fantastic. Great job. Yeah.

Lesley Logan 5:53  

Yeah. Okay, so I thought today would be a good time to reflect on things that you don't have to join in, because I didn't tell you this before we hit record, but on things that I said I want to do this year and celebrate what I did do on that. So I'll start. And if you think of something that you wanted to do this year, and you can tell us how it's going. 

Brad Crowell 6:13  

I'd have to look at my phone, but I have something in mind. I don't know if I did it or not. 

Lesley Logan 6:18  

Okay, so I wanted to be more intentional about getting into the Las Vegas community, and like having friends in Las Vegas, doing things with friends. And I will say, we planned a few things, and I'm like, Las Vegas' canceled. This is not a complaint. But also, I got to hang out with another Las Vegas multiple times, and I tried out new restaurants with her. And so I'm gonna call it a win. I also tried out a library card, and I tried out pole dancing, and I tried to, like, get to know more parts of the city, and we tried out new restaurants, and we were open to going to dinner with different particular couples or potential couples. And so I feel like even with all the travel we had, I definitely took advantage of the Vegas time that I had, and it's really easy to go reflect on that. Go, I could have done more. Oh, I could have actually reached out to them a week before. I could have done this. That's not how you do wins everyone. So what I did do is more than I did a year ago, and more than the year before that. And I really am proud of that intentionality, and I'm excited for the year to come because I have more people in Las Vegas to spend time with. So that's really cool. 

Lesley Logan 7:23  

Another thing that I also had wins throughout the year already about this is just like being more intentional with girlfriends and talking to them, and I got to see all of my girlfriends multiple times in the year and hang out with them in person. And so I'm really proud about that. I think that's really cool. 

Brad Crowell 7:40  

That's awesome. 

Lesley Logan 7:40  

Yeah, I also had this goal of really trying to figure what's wrong with my stomach and with my health and my sleep, and with the help of FemGevity, I fucking got answers, and I really am loving how I'm feeling, like I'm going into next year feeling better than I did last year. Yeah, so that's a huge win. And then I will say I wanted to have more time in my schedule, and it took us several months and some big battles, but I got a bunch of my time back. And did I use that extra time to work on the things that I wanted to learn? No. 

Brad Crowell 8:15  

But that's kind of okay.

Lesley Logan 8:16  

That's okay because the goal was to get the time back.

Brad Crowell 8:18  

We've also been push, push, push for years, so, you know, taking a rest with that time is also incredibly helpful. 

Lesley Logan 8:25  

I also was like, what is it like to get bored? Let's try that. And I also got better ideas not filling that time. That's why the win doesn't have to be I got time and then I used it somewhere else. I got some time back and I used it to play a video game and read a book and lay on my (inaudible) and talk to some girlfriends and I have time like the other day, I saw a friend's story. I never watched her stories, and I saw her story, and she was going through something, and I was just like, hey, I'm free at 9am on Monday. Do you want to have a chat? I got on the phone with her, and because I had the time and I wasn't behind on projects, I can go here's how I think I can solve your problem, and here's who you should call. And that's what I did. And it was a 15-minute call, and I was like, okay, bye. And so I just am really proud that I gave myself time that wasn't filled with other things, so that I could be there for people or do things spontaneously. 

Brad Crowell 9:11  

Yeah, well, that's awesome. Those are great. I got a couple that come to mind. This year, I wanted to shift away from some of the managing of the company that I have been doing historically, because I am very passionate, but I'm also very hands on and controlling. And so by relinquishing the projects to people who are incredibly capable and could do the job, it's been allowing me to focus on shifting into a different position in the company, which still is the CEO role, but more of a sales and marketing side of things. So I'm still, you know, ultimately, handling stuff, but I'm not micromanaging like I was, and that's been a really different way to work, and it's also allowed me to connect more with our clients who are coming in, and also effectively move the needle of the sales in a good way. So that's a big win. The word for the year for me was stability. 

Lesley Logan 10:11  

Oh.

Brad Crowell 10:11  

Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 10:12  

You and Michael Unbroken has a word for his year. He does it on his birth. I don't, I can't pick a word. But anyways.

Brad Crowell 10:18  

Wow. 2024, my goal was stability, and what that meant is last year was really intense, topsy-turvy as far as launches and income and travel and all the things, and this year was just as busy, but it didn't feel as chaotic, and it was also more we were able to high-level with our company, we're able to shift when we were getting the income. And so it gave us better cash flow management, which any business owner out there understands what I mean. It's great to make a bunch of money at the beginning of the year, but then if you make no money in the middle of the year, you're like, oh my God, do we still have enough? And so we were able to make some adjustments and shift things around as far as when we were doing what we were doing, and that has made my stress levels incredibly better this past year than it was a year ago. So I'm super proud of our team for that. I'm proud, I mean, it was a team effort to be able to do that. 

Lesley Logan 11:15  

Yeah, I'm also proud of us and also you. Here's the thing, you can ask the team do all of these things, and we can change things around so that it feels more stable. Then you also have to let go of the muscle that likes to stress and worry. That's the think. Like, that's a habit. Stress is a habit. Stressing about things you can't control, habit.

Brad Crowell 11:35  

That's true. Yeah. And the last thing which I need my phone to be able to answer is my goal was to get seven hours of sleep this year, a night. 

Lesley Logan 11:42  

Oh, on average? 

Brad Crowell 11:44  

On average. And I know I got six for sure. 

Lesley Logan 11:47  

Can we just log in on your computer to Oura? 

Brad Crowell 11:50  

I mean, can I? 

Lesley Logan 11:51  

I think you can. Yeah. 

Brad Crowell 11:52  

Okay, here we go. Well, I got six hours on average. 

Lesley Logan 11:56  

And you wanted seven? 

Brad Crowell 11:57  

I wanted seven. Six hours and 15. 

Lesley Logan 12:00  

Here's what I think we should do, Brad, we'll get our 2024 reports at the end of this year while we're on tour. And then when we come back from tour and we do the FYFs for February, you and I will share any changes we want to make to our health, as far as what we can track, as far as sleep goes. 

Brad Crowell 12:17  

Dig it.

Lesley Logan 12:18  

Okay, here we go. I think that this is the most applicable mantra that could exist for wrapping the 2024 FYFs up for the year. I am growing and going at my own pace. I am growing and going at my own pace. I am growing and going at my own pace. Guys, that could be your mantra for the whole fucking year. So you know what to do. 

Lesley Logan 12:44  

All right, loves. We hope you really enjoyed. I don't know, if you think that these suck, you can tell us, but here's the thing, I listened to this one podcast I've been inspired. I said it on during one of the roundups, the rewinds, one of the reviews gave him five stars and then said this host is lacking and is not doing a great job. So don't say that. You can email that in, but give us five stars, and then email the team like, hey, the FYF suck, or hey, I really wish you did X, Y and Z. You're welcome to tell us. I'm not gonna say we'll make changes. This is who we are, but the goal, again, of the FYFs is to remind you that good things are happening, and even when you're feeling like you're in a shit hole, like a lotus flower can grow from that, and so wins can come from the weirdest places. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. Happy New Year. Have an amazing one. 

Brad Crowell 13:31  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 13:33  

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Brad Crowell 14:16  

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Brad Crowell 14:25  

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Lesley Logan 14:32  

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Brad Crowell 14:35  

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Dive into this final rewind episode filled with cool advice to fuel your growth. Join Lesley Logan and Brad Crowell for the final installment of their rewind series, where they revisit some of the coolest advice from past episodes. From redefining strength and outgrowing fear to setting boundaries and expanding your network, these insights will empower you to Be It Till You See It.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Building diverse connections to spark growth and innovation.
• Outgrowing fear by facing it head-on.
• Using boundaries to create space for fulfillment.
• Redefining strength and challenging limitations.

Episode References/Links:

• Ep. 41 ft. Dr. Kelly Bender - https://beitpod.com/ep41
• Ep. 153 with Tanya Dalton - https://beitpod.com/ep153
• The Joy of Missing Out: https://tanyadalton.com/the-joy-of-missing-out
• Ep. 141 ft. Chris Goodman - https://beitpod.com/ep141
• Goodman Coaching Website: https://goodmancoachinginc.com
• Ep. 205 with Javeno McLean - https://beitpod.com/ep205
• Javino's Website: https://j7healthcentre.co.uk
• Javino on Instagram: https://instagram.com/j7healthjaveno

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Episode Transcript:

Chris Goodman 0:00  

I went through a really nasty divorce in 2015. That's putting it lightly. And I started dating my current wife in 2017. And of course, as we got serious, I started to have fears. What if we fall in love and get married and it blows up like the last one did?

Lesley Logan 0:16  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:59  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It rewind series that we are doing. This is our last of the rewind episodes. 

Brad Crowell 1:06  

Wow, can't believe we made it here. 

Lesley Logan 1:07  

I know. And so, these are four clips. They're not the only amazing clips we could have picked, but they are the ones we chose for you this year. 

Brad Crowell 1:15  

But they are the coolest. 

Lesley Logan 1:16  

And that's what this is. This is the cool advice episode. Honestly, what happened is, okay, I was going through our entire catalog. I did this. I went through the entire catalog, and I basically was just like, oh, this person, go here, this one, go here. And we had two that didn't have like titles yet. And so it's kind of like, oh, I really like these two. All these two are kind of like this, right? So that's where the bold moments came from. So this cool advice was just like, I just fucking like these people. And how did we not already choose them yet? I don't know. So, I know we already have, like, a potpourri category, but we have another one, and this one's called Cool. So we're.

Lesley Logan 1:17  

This one's less generic than that, but still in there.

Lesley Logan 1:52  

Just don't, even, but there, but the people are anything but generic. 

Brad Crowell 1:55  

It doesn't make the advice bad. It's just categorizing them. It's awesome. 

Lesley Logan 2:01  

Okay, well.

Brad Crowell 2:02  

We're on it. 

Lesley Logan 2:02  

You know what? This is like, Cool Ranch. Okay? 

Brad Crowell 2:04  

It's Cool Ranch. It goes on anything. 

Lesley Logan 2:06  

It goes on anything. 

Brad Crowell 2:06  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 2:07  

And we're gonna talk about how to meet people. We're gonna talk about outgrowing fear. We're gonna talk about boundaries, which, by the way, this episode is dropping the day after Christmas, and you're probably feeling like you have some boundaries you need to set up or re-establish, or, I don't know, you probably thought about that yesterday, so that clip is definitely going to help you. That whole episode's epic, and we're gonna talk about redefining strength. Actually, this is it. We're talking about Javeno McLean because he's fucking cool. 

Brad Crowell 2:33  

Javeno is so cool. 

Lesley Logan 2:34  

He's so cool. I mean, my goodness, I watched it when I first asked him to be on the podcast. He has like 45,000 followers now he's like almost 700,000, like, slain and just inspiring the fuck out of people. So let's get into the cool episodes. 

Brad Crowell 2:48  

I'm all about it. Here we go. 

Lesley Logan 2:50  

All right, let's kick things off with Dr. Kelly Bender, Episode 41 about Finding the People in the Room Who Are Not Like You. Y'all, if you need friends in your life, you need a network, you need anything like this, this clip is going to give you a powerful tip.

Brad Crowell 3:06  

Yeah. And Kelly also talked about how to meet people. And she is a doctor, obviously, and she decided to start going to meetups where there were not doctors in the room. And that was on purpose. And I thought that was really kind of clever, even though it might not seem that intuitive. It was great.

Lesley Logan 3:21  

Well, because here's the deal, like, and I know we have a lot of Pilates people listening to this, so I want to make sure you do not take offense at this. But I love a Pilates conference. I really do. But I also have a lot more fun meeting people who have nothing to do with my industry, because I actually pick up on ideas that are unique and different or I. 

Brad Crowell 3:40  

Well how you can support other people. 

Lesley Logan 3:41  

Well, also it's how I can grow my own business, because I actually like what we've created wasn't just for Pilates people. It's for people who love Pilates. And so this advice is really important to like, kind of help you cast your net a little further out. 

Brad Crowell 3:56  

Yeah, love it. All right, here we go.

Dr. Kelly Bender 3:58  

So one of the big things that I tell people the be it till you see it kind of a thing is putting things in your physical environment that make you feel happy or that make you feel that desired state. So one of the things is, I, I've got, you know, I've got my plants, I've got my crystals, you know, I've got all of the things that kind of just make me feel like I'm that person. And one of the biggest things that changed, I had some money mindset stuff. Being a doctor, being a care provider, I just like giving care for free, right? Like I just wish I could give care for free. It makes me feel so good, but that's not a sustainable business model. So what I did when I wanted to change how I felt about money was I took $200 bills and put it, I have this little kind of seashell type thing that I put them in with my Amethyst from when I was little on top of it, and it's right over here where I do my work. And I just have it there, and it's like money is around. Money is available. If I need 100 bucks, I could grab it from there, right? I don't, because I'm just putting it there, but physically putting the things in your space to remind you of what you want to grow and what you want to focus on, I think is really important. 

Lesley Logan 5:17  

Oh, I love this. 

Dr. Kelly Bender 5:19  

Yeah. And then absolutely like adding people to your environment, to your friend group, find the people who are not like you. That's what I would say. A lot of times, we tend to be friends with the people that are very similar to us, because they reinforce our beliefs and it makes us feel good about ourselves. But I would encourage you to find people who are very different from you, because they're going to have life experiences and they're going to have skill sets that are complimentary to yours, that you might need or you might benefit from. I started working with very, very, very, very high-net-worth individuals, and completely changed how I saw life, how I saw my own like, how I run my household. Just seeing how people run their household, how they run staff, helped me understand what was possible. 

Lesley Logan 6:21  

That's so interesting. 

Dr. Kelly Bender 6:21  

So I specifically went to meetups that were not medical related. So most of the people I knew who were doctors, they went to all these medical ones to network with other medical professionals. And I was like, first of all, I want friends who are not doctors. Second of all, I like, you're not going to become my patients. You're doctors. And third, I actually went to a lot of them that were, like, business-oriented, because I was like, I need friends or people who are in business to help me learn how to do this. And so, you know, I would, I would psych myself up, and I, this is not a thing that I love to do, so I really, you know, there was a lot of anxiety before everyone but I was like, you know, what's the worst that can happen? That's what I would tell myself. What's the worst that can happen? You're gonna go, you're gonna meet some interesting people, and if you don't like them, you never have to see them again. So that's the nice thing about meetups, is everybody is there to network. So it's different than going to a bar or something like that. Everyone knows that's the deal. So you go up and you tell your story, and you hand out business cards. 

Lesley Logan 7:25  

All right, that was episode 41 and with Dr. Kelly Bender, we love her, and she had another episode with us, by the way. Go, just search for her name on the Be It Pod. You'll find it. Brad's going to come up with it at some point, but don't worry, we'll put it in the show notes, too. Now, we're moving on to Episode 141, I promise you that wasn't on purpose. We're gonna talk about outgrowing fear. So this episode with Chris Goodman could be seen as a business episode, but actually, I just really think is applicable to everybody, because fear keeps us from being it till we see it tenfold, 100% hands down, any other metaphor, cliche thing you'd say they're like, fear is what stops people. And one of the things I love that he said, that we're gonna get into, is how a decision rooted in fear will create results rooted in fear. And, oh, that stings, because we know it. Like, you know it's so true, when you do something out of fear, and then the thing comes and it's also just crap, because it was like, it's like, you planted the seed in fear. So it grew a fear plant.

Brad Crowell 8:24  

Yeah. And he kind of continued that metaphor, and basically said he had to outgrow the fear that he was in. Anyway, it's a very inspiring episode. Here we go. 

Chris Goodman 8:34  

It's such a great point, because people tend to discount how much a decision rooted in fear will create results rooted in fear, right? And you see, I imagine many of your Pilates instructors are going through this right now that they've been so conservative in their pricing, even though they're bringing tremendous value, that they keep making decisions, like, backing away from the fear. And so they keep getting people who want to pay bottom dollar prices, right? And so they get clients who are not, maybe necessarily respectful of their time, or do the exercises they tell them to do, or whatever. I worked with lots of physical therapists, and this seems to be a trend that when we are in fear and we make a decision like, well, I can't raise rates because then I'll lose clients. They're definitely not doing anything to attract the people who want to pay a, for instance, premium, a luxury price for a luxury service. And so they don't get those people, those people go somewhere else, and it's sort of a race to the bottom.

Lesley Logan 9:36  

So is it possible to outlearn a fear? I think so.

Chris Goodman 9:39  

I genuinely believe it is. I'll pick on myself for an example, here, I went through a really nasty divorce in 2015, that's putting it lightly, and I started dating my current wife in 2017 and of course, as we got serious, I started to have fears, well, what if we fall in love and get married and it blows up like the last one did, right? I had to outlearn that fear. I had to outgrow, I think outgrow is probably a better term, and the only way I could do that was by facing it head on. So when the time came to let Lindsey, my wife, know how serious I was and how committed to this relationship was, I told her, I said, I think this is really going somewhere. And she said, well, that's tough because I'm not sure it is. And I have a lot of fears and I have a lot of doubt right now. I didn't even think. I just blurted it out. I said, well, that really sucks, because I'm in love with you. And talk about running into your fear head long. I mean, tell somebody that just told you they're not sure about the relationship, that you love them, and put your heart out there to get stomped on. And she looked like I threw paint all over her. She was just like, what? Like, I'm growing antlers. What? And this look washed over her face and her eyes welled up with tears. And she said, I'm in love with you too. I'm just terribly afraid right now. I'm so afraid, and so we use this as an example all the time when we do podcasts, because we're both afraid. She had had bad relationships, failed relationships, two relationships that went four years each. It's not like we have somehow strapped on this armor as coaches that allows us to walk through anything with no fear. Not the case. It is that we accept it as sort of a mission to run headlong into it and all the discomfort that comes with it and outgrow it anyway.

Lesley Logan 11:32  

All right, so that was 141 if you want to dive more into the fear topic, I hope you do. Now we're gonna go to 153 so we're not (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 11:40  

We're going backwards in time. 

Lesley Logan 11:41  

We're going backwards in time. We're not, we're going forward. Like, a week later we had Tanya Dalton.

Brad Crowell 11:45  

Oh, yeah, 141, 153, yeah, you know.

Lesley Logan 11:47  

Yeah, it'll be two weeks. Tanya Dalton is incredible author, and she has several books out. One of them was the JOMO, which is like the joy of messing out. But this episode was about boundaries, and she is a mom, she's a busy woman, and we talked about the importance of boundaries, and she gave incredible example, a visual example, about how important boundaries are. And if you struggle with enforcing boundaries, I want to tell you, the resentment you're feeling is because of that, because we're the only people who can build our own boundaries, and then we have to enforce them, which can make us feel like we're being rude or demanding or whatever. But you have to understand that boundaries are very helpful. In fact, they're so helpful that Tanya explains all of that in this episode. 

Brad Crowell 12:33  

Yeah, this is a great one tune in. 

Tanya Dalton 12:35  

I think it's so poignant and helpful for people to understand why we need boundaries. If you were to imagine a school that's next to a busy road, there's no fence, the teachers are going to let the kids go out for recess, but they're going to say, like, stay close, right? Because we don't want them running out to the road, so the kids have to play close to the school and where the teachers can keep an eye on them. But if there is a school next to a busy road and they put up a fence, same school put up a fence around it, the kids can go to all the corners of the field. They can go play kickball over here, and play hide and go seek over there, and they can take advantage of the full field. And that's what boundaries do. It allows us to have this container that we can explore and we can play, and we can really enjoy ourselves fully, because we have that container, because we have that boundary, and then we can go inside and do the next thing, right? And that's what I love about boundaries, is when we have them in place, when we have good, healthy boundaries, it feels so good. It really does. 

Brad Crowell 13:35  

Okay. I hope you enjoyed Episode 153, with Tanya Dalton talking about boundaries. So the next person is the epitome of cool, I must say. Mr. Javeno McLean, Episode 205. Wow. What an empowering, inspirational, incredible human he is. 

Lesley Logan 13:55  

We talk about him all the time. 

Brad Crowell 13:57  

You want to cry tears of joy? Watch his Instagram. It will bring you to tears every single time. It's just so fun to see how he empowers other people. 

Lesley Logan 14:06  

Also, like we obviously can't put his entire episode here, because you're gonna go listen to his entire episode. 

Brad Crowell 14:10  

Yeah, go back and listen to it on the pod. 

Lesley Logan 14:12  

You gotta go listen to it. Because he really talks about how we can hold people back, how we can look at people who are different than us and think, oh, they can't do things. And he is actually redefining what is possible. And I think he's an inspiration for all of us. Sometimes we're like, I can't do this because of this. Oh, I can't do this because of this. I can't do this because of this. And, like, there's no because of this for him, he's like, oh, yet, here we go. Let's move this thing one more notch up and see what you can do. And, my goodness.

Brad Crowell 14:12  

I just think it's incredible that he takes the time and the money and the effort to literally create a space and buy all this equipment, and then he spends the time to empower people who need the support. And I think it is just so powerful.

Lesley Logan 14:59  

That they need the support, and also they need someone to believe in the possibilities 

Brad Crowell 15:04  

For them. 

Lesley Logan 15:05  

For them because.

Brad Crowell 15:06  

He provides that. 

Lesley Logan 15:07  

I'm a Pilates instructor, and so people come to me and say, my doctor says I can't (inaudible) on my spine. And they're like, I can't do any of those things. I can't do that. I can't do that. I can't do this. And the way I look at bodies is like, okay, well, what can you do? And the way that Javeno is going to inspire all of us is like, really focusing on, like, let's redefine what you think your weaknesses and see what strengths are possible. And I don't know, get ready to fill chills up and down. I already have chills. I'm just having chills thinking about it. So here's Javeno McLean.

Brad Crowell 15:37  

Enjoy.

Javeno McLean 15:38  

One thing with me, Les, is always about normality and redefining boundaries. I've always been that person, and I think normality is the most powerful thing on this planet. And I realized a long time ago, no matter who you are, whether you're, no matter what your condition, elderly, disabled, whatever it is, all anybody wants us to be treated normal. And me, now, I'm a father of two young boys, and God forbid if anything was to happen to my little boys, all I want is the world to treat my babies normal. Don't feel sorry for them and don't pity them. Treat them normal. And years ago, Les, long story short, I was, I used to manage sessions. We call it the council, in the USA, you call it the government baby. I used to work for the government, and I used to do sessions all around the city of Manchester. And I had a I had people that worked for me. And I'm watching a session with this young guy, one of my members and staff, and he was teaching this young boy in a wheelchair. This young boy was, he was so bored. He was so, so bored. He was 19 and I watched the session, and he stayed in his wheelchair, Les, and but when the trainer went to go to the bathroom, this boy got up out of his chair, and he walked over to where the water and the drinks was, and he poured himself a drinks. So I came in the room, and I went crazy at him. I said to him, don't you ever let another man or another person dilute your power. Don't ever let nobody tell you that you're meant to be in that chair like that chair defines you. I said, I've just watched you for 20 minutes lift the two pound weights, big strapping rugby player boy, and he was lifting weights that he knows he can do more. He could get apart from his chair. He could walk, like a lot of disabled people, or a lot of people in wheelchairs. They're not always in the wheelchairs forever. A lot of them can actually get up and move. And I said to him, don't ever let nobody dilute your power and tell you that you have to stay in that wheelchair. So when the trainer came back in, I said, you know what? You go home. I said, I'm going to take the rest of this session, and for the rest of the session, I made him stand up because I knew that he could, and even if he couldn't, I said, I've got you, I said, you're going to push yourself. You're 19 years old. And I said, you got all this life to live. You can't live an attacked life by just being locked in your little box and letting the world and people tell you, you stay in your wheelchair. You do, I said, No. So I made him stand up for 20 minutes, and he did it. I made him lift the the bigger dumbbells, nothing crazy, but a little bit heavier than what I know we could do. And at the end of the session, this is what changed for me, Lesley, this is where it was a little bit awkward, where this little boy's parents was in the room and his dad was massive. His dad was huge. His dad was so big. And he walked over, and I thought, I don't know what's going to happen, Les, I don't know what will happen, because I didn't know. And he came over and he just started crying, and me and him hugged for about 20 minutes, him and his wife, and we cried, and he was explaining to me everything that they everything that I was saying to him people are scared to say to him because of his wheelchair. And he said they tell him every day that you're lazy, you can do more, but because it's mommy and daddy, he doesn't want to listen. And he said I was the first person to ever talk to him and treat him normal, because the world, when it comes to people that are disabled or elderly or vulnerable, they've got a thing where they don't want to offend and they don't want to tell him anything. So they said to me, I was the first person to treat him normal, and they could. They loved it. They loved it. And I said to myself on that day, because you're in a wheelchair while disabled, you ain't no different from me or you or anybody else. 

Lesley Logan 19:22  

Was that epic or was it epic? 

Brad Crowell 19:24  

I mean, this guy, I I'm so excited I can't wait to meet him in person.

Lesley Logan 19:29  

I'm just gonna go listen to this episode now. 

Brad Crowell 19:31  

Yeah. Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready. 

Lesley Logan 19:33  

Okay, so this is the last of our rewind series. Again, we want to know if you like the rewind series. If you want this to be an annual tradition. Of course, we'll pick different episodes. If you have topics that you would like us to do a rewind episode on. We want to know. 

Brad Crowell 19:47  

Yeah or if there was an episode that you thought was super powerful and really impacted you that, we didn't cover, tell us that, and we'll go back. And they are definitely going to be those as well. So. 

Lesley Logan 19:57  

We're not going anywhere. We are on the top 1.5% and I have a huge goal for this coming year, and it requires your help. 

Brad Crowell 20:03  

It does so I share this episode. 

Lesley Logan 20:05  

Share this episode. Here's my goal I'm gonna share with you. I want to hasten. Is that the right word? I want to quicken. I hasten the time to go from 1.5% to 1% and not because I'm not, I'm unsatiable When we go from 1.5% to 1% it means even more, like, thousands of people are, lives are being changed because of this podcast. We can't do that a lot. 

Brad Crowell 20:29  

Well, not only that, it also allows us to put this pod in front of even more amazing guests. 

Lesley Logan 20:35  

But also, yeah, get more guests, more amazing guests. If someone's like, you should get Michelle Obama on. And I'm like, yeah, so. 

Brad Crowell 20:41  

We will. 

Lesley Logan 20:41  

We will. Somebody explain to you how Michelle Obama says yes, probably money, but also .5%. I'm not asking you to get me to .5% next year, although you can. That's an Abraham Hicks thing, not asking for it right now, although it can be. But the more you share this episode, the more you listen to our podcast, the more reviews we get, we go from 1.5% to 1% we don't, you can't skip, we don't skip ahead and then we'll go to 1% and then a .5% we're here to this podcast until we reach as many people as when, when people start saying, I'm being it till I see it everywhere and like its own cliche, its own thing, that people just say all the time, then we will go, okay, hold on now that everyone's being it until we see it, what are we gonna do? But this mission is here to help change people's lives. And it's not because we want to change people's lives. We actually want you to. If you are being it until you see it, if you have all the answers and the help and the support to be it till you see it, then you change people's lives. And even if you don't, you don't have to be in your own business person to change people's lives. You can change people's life, maybe the parent and a spouse and a friend and a sister and a coworker and a neighbor. 

Brad Crowell 21:46  

You can change your own life by being it until you see it. 

Lesley Logan 21:48  

Well that, yeah, that's actually probably, change your life first, because then you can take people with you.

Lesley Logan 21:55  

I'm Lesley Logan.

Brad Crowell 21:56  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 21:57  

And you know what to do, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 22:00  

Bye for now.

Lesley Logan 22:02  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 22:44  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 22:49  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 22:54  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 23:01  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 23:04  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Lesley and Brad revisit some of their favorite business-inspired moments, offering practical insights for entrepreneurs and non-entrepreneurs alike. From taking a pause and visualizing your goals to leveraging your strengths and navigating challenges, these timeless tips will inspire you to align with your true self and achieve meaningful progress.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Taking a pause to reflect on what's working and what's not.
• Using mental imagery for clarify and bring your goals closer.
• Recognizing and leveraging your strengths in a balanced way.
• Understanding how business challenges grow alongside your journey.

Episode References/Links:

• Ep. 27: Kareen Walsh - https://beitpod.com/ep27
• Retrospective Exercise - https://www.kareenwalsh.com/retrospective
• Kareen’s IG – https://www.instagram.com/kareenzwalsh
• Ep. 99: Chinwe Onyeagoro - https://beitpod.com/ep99
• Chinwe Onyeagoro Website: https://pocketsuite.io/
• Ep. 155: Kevin Kepple - https://beitpod.com/ep155
• Kevin Kepple Website - https://kevinkepple.us/
• Ep. 232: Ripley Rader - https://beitpod.com/232
• Ripley Rader Website: https://ripleyrader.com/

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Episode Transcript:

Kareen Walsh 0:00  

Just give yourself a moment to ask yourself exactly where you are right now, what's working for you, what's not working for you, and figure out what you really want to be doing and come up with a plan that aligns who you truly are against it all.

Lesley Logan 0:17  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:59  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It rewind episode which happens, this one's happening, drop on Christmas Eve, for those of you who celebrate, it is the holiday season. And if you are just defining yourself, taking a little extra time in the bathroom or a little extra time in the bedroom, or somehow you're walking your dogs a couple extra times in a day, I see you and you keep doing that. You are allowed to.

Brad Crowell 1:21  

Why would you be doing that? 

Lesley Logan 1:22  

Because everybody needs more space than they get during the holidays.

Brad Crowell 1:25  

A little more space during the holidays. No words. 

Lesley Logan 1:27  

Do not feel bad about it. Do not feel like you should be guilty or there's something wrong with you. Actually, we all should be given more permission to take extra time that we need, wherever we are. Maybe you have to rush to the grocery store for one thing, and the line's just really long, and that's okay, you can listen to this episode. 

Lesley Logan 1:44  

So today, our rewind happens to do with our favorite biz episodes. And of course, like all the other rewinds, we can't possibly put all of our favorite business episodes, and you're and you don't have to be a business person to get anything at like, get something out of this. Actually.

Brad Crowell 1:56  

Yeah, there's a lot to get out of this if you don't have a business.

Lesley Logan 1:58  

We picked are applicable to not just business, they're applicable to life. So please listen, because I think you're gonna get a lot out of it. So we're going to talk about showing up as your truest version of yourself, or taking a pause, we'll talk about visualization. We're going to talk about your strengths, and now if you are in the basement or the balcony, and we're going to talk about how challenges grow as your business, or AKA, you grow. So wherever we create business, you can just think me, if you are not someone who works for yourself. So here we go. 

Lesley Logan 1:58  

All right, so we're going to take you back to Episode 27 so we've had Kareen Walsh on recently. If you have, if you're a new listener, you've been listening to the last 100 episodes she's been on recently. We actually had her on Episode 27 and one of, it's just a fabulous, fabulous episode. We actually dive into showing up as the truest version of yourself, which is, by the way, one of the fucking hardest things to do, can we just like acknowledge that showing up as your true self can be scary AF.

Brad Crowell 2:58  

It can be scary AF. Also, I think we never want to be the person that sticks their head above the crowd. Well, at least we're told we shouldn't. But like we were talking about during the intro here, it's okay to take a pause. Okay, and Kareen talks about that, too. So if you do need to step outside, take a walk around the block, whatever, during this holiday season, that's okay to do. You're allowed to do that. It is important to take time for yourself, and it's also important to take time away from your business. Taking a pause even from the thing that we're focused on 24/7 is healthy. 

Lesley Logan 3:29  

And by the way, for those of you who work for someone else, it's okay to take a time away from your job, and if it's not okay, if you live in the States, we have got to start, you know, taking some of our time back because people in Europe, in some countries in Europe, is actually seen as a bad thing if you respond to an email around dinner time. So I just think we can get some inspiration from that. 

Brad Crowell 3:49  

Yeah, love it. Okay, here we go. 

Kareen Walsh 3:51  

To be it to like, in a way, where I would add is yourself like it's, being it is truly showing up in your truest version of yourself, and so the biggest tip, if you haven't paused for a while, is to take a pause and use my retrospective exercise, but just give yourself moment to ask yourself exactly where you are right now, what's working for you, what's not working for you, and figure out what you really want to be doing and come up with a plan that aligns who you truly are against it all, because it'll always be out there. Whatever it is you want to achieve or bring into your world is out there for you to have. You just need to pause to see it sometimes and evaluate the direction you need to go in in order to step into it and really make it happen for you right now.

Lesley Logan 4:47  

That was Episode 27 and if you want to do Kareen's retrospective exercise, we have linked it in the show notes for you, so go check it out. I actually do this retrospective on Fridays, especially after a busy week, because sometimes you can forget what you did, and you could forget that you like actually made magic happen. So I love her retrospective exercise. Brad and I do it with Kareen often, actually. So it's really, really cool. So get that in the show notes.

Brad Crowell 5:11  

Okay, next up, we got Episode 99 Onto Plan Z or Zed with Chinwe Onyeagoro.

Lesley Logan 5:19  

Do you know that when I was on my flight to New Zealand, I was asking for the Wi-Fi link, and he was saying Zed. He was saying like, oh, the password is, whatever, 1-2-3, A-B-C, Zed. And I was like, like, Z-E-D? And he goes, no, Zed. And I was like, Z-E-A-D? And he goes, no, the letter Z, and he dropped his New Zealand accent to just say it, and it's an American I was like, oh, got it. It's a letter.

Brad Crowell 5:48  

Okay, yes, visualization, and also who you want to be surrounded by or interacting with. 

Lesley Logan 5:55  

Yeah, let's get in. 

Brad Crowell 5:56  

Okay.

Chinwe Onyeagoro 5:57  

I think the first thing that I would say is visualize like there's so much that you can do to just change how you feel about what you're doing right now, just by visualizing what you want to be feeling like when you hit your goals, who you want to be surrounded by and interacting with, and what you want your day to be like, right? And so visualize it, because that is something you can control right now. What is happening is when you visualize it, the world, the universe conspires to help you to get there, right, because it's top of mind. So like, every decision you're making is taking into consideration that visual, that feeling, and if you just will it into being. And so I would just say visualization is huge. And if you cut out magazine articles, cut out, like, do whatever you need to do to, like, get in that zone and stay there. 

Lesley Logan 6:46  

Okay, so that was Episode 99, I highly recommend it. Listen, she's an inspiration. She's kind of a badass. I love how she got into what she's doing. Okay, now we're gonna go into Episode 155. Are you in the basement or in the balcony? Kevin Keppel, who, by the way, has almost as good as name as me. But I so enjoyed this person. He is really awesome and kind of going back to like Amy Ledin's inner bitch and her boss, like, this is another way to look at how you're talking to yourself. I don't know, this guy's about Strength Finders, Brad, and that's one of your favorite things to talk about. 

Brad Crowell 7:20  

It's true. I'm all about it, you know, the high level here, basement or the balcony, your strengths can also be your weaknesses. And it's difficult and challenging to have that third party perspective of yourself to discern, am I in the balcony of my strength, or am I in the basement of my strength? And Kevin goes in-depth about this here, and I found it really helpful. So let's take a listen. 

Kevin Kepple 7:46  

One of the cool things about strengths, it's like your natural sources of energy, and energies can be indifferent, right? Like it's power, it's our natural power. But you know, gravity is super powerful. You know, you and I don't float away to the moon or whatever, right? Thanks to gravity. But if we go to the top of my house and jump off, we go crashing into the ground, right? It's not malicious. It's just going the way I direct it. And so with my strengths, I need to make sure they're pointed in the way I want, you know, like, significance. You mentioned that one. I have that one fairly high too. That's a really great strength, because it's about make an impact, make an impact on other people, make an impact in the world, make an impact on ourself. And that's the balcony, right? The good version, that negative space on that, the basement, if you will. You know the basement's like when I make things really important that aren't that important, right? And maybe even make it all about me, right? The the me monster comes out and then just pushes people away. So the basement is like our negative behavior, like when we're making it all about us with our strengths. For instance, maximizer is my number one strength. Maximizer in the balcony's like, just fascinated with elite like, whatever, you know, mastery looks like in this, whether it's a person I'm working with, like Lesley, like, you're a champion. I was so excited to be on your podcast, like I listened to it before I reached out, because I wanted to be around somebody I feel is like a master. You're definitely a master at being with people and just doing what you do. And that's really attractive to a maximizer, because I wanted to just be around it so I can, like, how can I use some of that for me and help people like her or whatever? And that's obviously really healthy getting to, like, just elite levels. The basement on maximizer is nothing's ever good enough, right? Like, well, let me just make it a little better and a little better. And it's like, how did you even get dressed today, if it's not, like, absolutely amazing, you know? And so it can be very picky. And so the question people ask, like, how do I get out of the basement? Once they understand the language, right? You know, it's like our blind spot. I'm like, man, it's really simple. Stop making it all about you, right? Because if I'm solely focused on me, then, like that gives the ego a lot of time to jump in.

Brad Crowell 9:34  

All right. Next up, we have Ripley Rader, where she talks about us being little ducklings, and how we might seem cool as a cucumber on top, but we are furiously paddling underneath, and how the different ways that we portray our businesses to the public versus ourselves. And as your business grows, the challenges that you face grow with you. So you might have conquered the thing you're conquering today, but then you're going to face new challenges as we move forward. So, enjoy.

Ripley Rader 10:02  

We call ourselves little ducks all the time because we seem super cool, and then underneath the water, I am kicking so hard that like you wouldn't and it's not anxiety. It's actions, it's ideas, it's movement. It's balancing all the balls in the air. We can all look as cool as cucumbers, but you know, anyone who's an entrepreneur is a extraordinary hard worker. And there's no way around it, because you can't fake it. Like I said to my PR team when I first hired them back in the day, we don't have them anymore, but they're amazing. But I said, you know, when we get bigger, we're just going to hand stuff up. She looks at me, and she goes, when you get bigger, you just work harder. And I was like, what? Really? She's like, yeah, you just work harder and more. And she's like, it's awesome, but that's the truth. And I thought, wow, no one had been shooting straight like that with me, so it was like, an awesome thing to hear. I was like, huh, okay? And to be honest, now that I'm on the other side, very true, very, very true.

Lesley Logan 11:00  

All right, loves. That was Episode 232 with Ripley Rader. And like I said before, the pants are as good as they say. That's what you hear on they're like, oh, these pants, everyone's talking about on social media. And I have them. I love them.

Brad Crowell 11:13  

You even have some jumpsuits, like, full, flowy.

Lesley Logan 11:17  

I have too many things. 

Brad Crowell 11:18  

All the things. 

Lesley Logan 11:19  

I don't have enough. 

Brad Crowell 11:19  

They're great. 

Lesley Logan 11:20  

To be completely honest. I love it all. So definitely take a listen to the whole thing. Also, if you watch it on YouTube, it's quite fabulous to see two redheads with two great names having a great conversation. I'm just gonna say that right there. 

Lesley Logan 11:29  

You guys. I hope you enjoyed this rewind on the Biz Tips, and even if you do not work for yourself, I am sure you got something amazing out of one of these clips. Please share this with a friend who needs it, someone who needs to be reminded their hustle doesn't have to be a hassle. Someone who needs to remind themselves that your strengths can also fuck you up. And sometimes you just have to know how to identify that. All these tips are just such great reminders. I know for us, we had some like, oh, don't forget that. That was really great. So, you know what happens next. 

Lesley Logan 11:56  

I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 11:57  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 11:58  

We want you to rate and review this podcast, share it with a friend, and until next time, most importantly, please be it till you see it. 

Brad Crowell 12:04  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 12:06  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 12:48  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 12:53  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 12:58  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 13:05  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 13:08  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.