Be It Till You See It

Brad and Lesley reflect on the fascinating insights shared by Dr. Louise Swartswalter—a transformational coach and naturopathic doctor—who introduced her mind gem techniques for clearing energetic fields, boosting brain function, and improving focus. Join them as they break down how to integrate these transformational tools into your life, and why balancing your personal energy is essential for growth and long-term success.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• The role of energy and why it's important to clear influences to maintain balance.
• The connection between your personal health and business success.
• The impact of unresolved generation trauma on your energy fields.
• How Lesley cleared her grandfather’s trauma for emotional relief.
• How to practice mind gems daily to enhance focus, balance, and improve sleep.

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• Ep. 421 Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter
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• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat
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• OPC Winter Tour

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Episode Transcript:

Brad Crowell 0:00  

It's a little weird, I'm not gonna lie, but I'll tell you, what's so funny is because she's clearly highly educated, and in the first like two minutes of the interview, I was like, I want to call this doctor, and I'm ready. And then that was before I even knew anything about her, because she's very compelling and she knows what she's talking about. 

Lesley Logan 0:19  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:00  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I

 are going to dig it and laugh through this entire intro. We are recapping the episode with Dr. Louise Swarstwalter on our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that one, you should go back and listen to it. It's amazing. It's rehabilitating, some would say, and then come back and listen to this one. 

Brad Crowell 1:23  

Do it. Take it. 

Lesley Logan 1:24  

Today is.

Brad Crowell 1:24  

I think it's necessary, y'all. 

Lesley Logan 1:26  

Oh, Brad was doing the whole thing in the car. He was listening to it as we were driving back from L.A. today. And he was like, tapping his belly and doing all those things, saying his numbers. Was really great. So if you have no idea we're saying, it's because you didn't listen to that episode. And you should go do that. 

Brad Crowell 1:38  

It's true. 

Lesley Logan 1:39  

So today is September 19th 2024 and it's National Pawpaw Day. About this day. National Pawpaw Day, held every third Thursday in September, celebrates a tropical-looking fruit native to North America, which tastes like a cross between a mango, a banana, and sometimes other fruits. I just really love that, and sometimes other fruits. It's a crossing of mango and banana, but sometimes it tastes like something else. 

Brad Crowell 2:01  

And sometimes it could taste like coffee. 

Lesley Logan 2:03  

Yeah, with over 60 varieties and a unique creamy texture, it's a wonder that more people don't know about the pawpaw, also known as the Kentucky Banana and a Hillbilly mango. The pawpaw grows all across the South as the largest fruit native to the United States, although we don't see it on our store shelves much today. The papaw was an important part of traditional Native American diets and is used for various purposes today. I didn't get into why it's not in the grocery stores. I just want to know like now I have so many questions. I've never seen this fruit before. 

Brad Crowell 2:31  

The only reason I even know about this fruit is because of the Jungle Book. 

Lesley Logan 2:35  

It's in the Jungle Book? 

Brad Crowell 2:37  

The bare necessities of life will come to you. And in there, he says something about that and the pawpaw thing. And I was like, what's a pawpaw? (inaudible) I was like, you know, eight.

Lesley Logan 2:54  

Wow, you're curious. Okay, well, there it is. 

Lesley Logan 2:58  

So coming up, we're actually 10 days away from getting on a plane to go to Cambodia, and you can't come unless you've already signed up for this one. So we're not inviting you to that, but we are inviting that you come to the February one.

Brad Crowell 3:12  

Yes, February 23rd to 28th, come join us at our home in Siem Reap we're gonna do some working out, a couple workshops, some meditating, some, all the things that you need to hit the reset button, to step away from our craziness that we are all building in our lives and go experience an amazing, amazing place with incredible people and explore the Temples of Angkor, which is our version of the pawpaw Jungle Book song.

Lesley Logan 3:39  

And their own fruits that taste like similar to different things. But also, if you, like, if when I said you can't come, you got, you felt a ping of disappointment, that means you want to. 

Brad Crowell 3:52  

That's true. 

Lesley Logan 3:52  

So what a fun game I just played. So you need to go to crowsnestretreats.com to snag your spot. The time's running out for that February one. 

Brad Crowell 4:02  

Yeah. PS, a pawpaw looks like a mango but it's not a mango. 

Lesley Logan 4:07  

Like a mango, yeah. But it also, but also, it has weird seeds in it that look like something else, like a like, not a kiwi, but something, I feel like in Cambodia, we've had a fruit that has similar-looking seeds like that. 

Lesley Logan 4:20  

Okay, also, when I get back from Cambodia, I'm going to be going to L.A. for a week and Brad's gonna meet me at some point to film the photo, to do the photos for the upcoming and final deck of the flash cards, the sixth deck. Can you freaking believe it? Holy moly, we are wrapping this project up, my friends, we'll still be talking about for a year, because it takes a year to make these things, a little over a year for every deck. But if you are not on the wait list for the accessories deck, you want to go to opc.me/flashcardwaitlist—that is all singular—opc.me/flashcardwaitlist. I can't say it two more times fast, so we're going to end it there. But only the people on the waitlist get the presale price. The presale price is the best price. 

Brad Crowell 5:04  

The presale price is the best price. 

Lesley Logan 5:05  

And by the way, just so you know, Brad can't wait for this deck to be finished, because he's gonna do a deck together. And if you think, oh, that's when I can get the discount, I've been waiting for years, you're not. He's just gonna charge more to put it in a really nice box, and it'll be really cool. So we have to plan that box out, babe. And then when we come back from that, we're going on, oh, before we do that, okay, Brad's inserting something else. So hold, Brad, why don't you take it from here? 

Brad Crowell 5:30  

Take it away. All right, Brad, we have been working with fitness business owners just like you, whether that means you have a small studio at your home, or maybe you're renting from someone, or you have a team and a larger space. We've been working with Profitable Pilates since 2018 so we're looking at six plus years now, and we've boiled down all the coaching hours and all the coaching calls and all things, we found three big secrets to growing your income. And I've been doing free webinars to help people understand the concepts in this. So I would love for you to join me. If this is something that you know you're feeling stuck in your business, this is a great way to kind of just step back from it, look at it from a third party perspective, and then see how you can apply some of these principles. So come join me. It's called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. You can sign up for free and find all the information on when I'm hosting it next at prfit.biz—that's profit without the O—prfit.biz/accelerator. So come join me for free.

Lesley Logan 6:31  

All right, and then we are going to go on tour. 

Brad Crowell 6:34  

That's right, December's coming. December into January. We are going to be on the road for 35 days. I'm pretty sure it includes, like, some time off with the family over, over Christmas. But we are gonna be hitting 24 cities. That's at least two events per city. We're talking almost 50 events in a month's period here. We would love to see you in person. Come join us. Go to opc.me/tour and that will either put you on a waitlist for when we actually release all the information, or maybe it's already up and you can start checking out when we're coming near you.

Lesley Logan 7:10  

By the way, I've already approved the tour shirt.

Brad Crowell 7:14  

Oh snap. I haven't even seen this yet. 

Lesley Logan 7:16  

I know. You have to wait. You have to wait. Okay, it's fucking fabulous. It's just brilliant. It's so brilliant. So anyways, you're gonna want it, but it's gonna be weird if you wear it and you didn't come on tour. I'm just saying. I mean, you can get it if you didn't come on tour. 

Brad Crowell 7:33  

Yeah, get it anyway. They're turning into collectors editions, people. 

Lesley Logan 7:36  

I know. Especially because we're getting cooler and cooler at it. Okay, before we get into Dr. Louise. Do we have an audience question? 

Brad Crowell 7:42  

We do, @swimdog75 on YouTube asked, "Hey Lesley, I'm a huge fan of yours. I keep seeing the box lately placed in different positions," I'm assuming this means the short box for the reformer, "When I work with certain instructors or teach for one of the certification programs, I see the box in front of the shoulder rest. Other times I see it right in front of the peg of the shoulder rest. Where do you prefer the box?" 

Lesley Logan 8:05  

So great question. Depends on the person. Depends on the box. So here's a deal. I can't tell you why people put tall people on boxes with the box in front of the shoulder rest. If they think it's that the box doesn't move around. If you're getting on the box and it's moving around, you are getting on the box wrong. So, if you didn't ever have a reformer, this is a weird question.

Brad Crowell 8:24  

Or it depends on the reformer, maybe there's no way to kind of stop it from potentially sliding off. I know yours has like a little slot but. 

Lesley Logan 8:31  

Yeah, I have little pegs and some people don't like to use that because sometimes people like tear the box by putting it over there because the peg is there. 

Brad Crowell 8:39  

Just be careful. 

Lesley Logan 8:41  

Also, just be careful. I've never torn a box, so like, just be thoughtful. So here's the deal. Ideally, you place the box over the shoulder rest before the pegs, if you have them, so that your legs can be straight when under the strap doing the short box series. 

Brad Crowell 8:57  

Okay, say that one more time. 

Lesley Logan 8:59  

The shorter version is you place the box on the reformer where you can have straight legs with your feet underneath the strap for the short box series. That's where you place the box. So.

Brad Crowell 9:07  

And how far should the box be down your leg? 

Lesley Logan 9:10  

That's going to depend on the size of your butt.

Brad Crowell 9:14  

So you're just talking about sitting on the box. You have to be able to sit on the box with your legs straight.

Lesley Logan 9:19  

You sit on the box with a little bit of space behind you. 

Brad Crowell 9:21  

Your feet 

Lesley Logan 9:22  

Under a strap, flexed ankles with tension, and your legs are straight-ish. 

Brad Crowell 9:27  

And a piña colada. 

Lesley Logan 9:28  

Yes. 

Brad Crowell 9:29  

Perfect. 

Lesley Logan 9:29  

And so what I don't like is when I see people because the boxes in front of the shoulder rest have very, very bent knees, like they're in a chair. And then we wonder why they're hanging off their hip flexors, or they're using their back. You put the box in the wrong spot. Now, if the studios you're at have a rule, obviously you got to follow some rules. But if you are here because you like to nerd out and actually understand the why behind the what, your legs are supposed to be straight, you're supposed to use the back of your legs. There's a lot of hamstring, glute, inner thigh working. It's a full body exercise always, if your exercises are only doing sit ups, then you are not using your full body. It's a full body exercise. So you place the box where people can have the straight legs, so they can use their full body and the exercise. And then it comes to but then the box tips because it's over here. Look, you can gear reformers out to create more space. You can put it in front of the shoulder blocks if people are short. You can lengthen the straps. There's a lot of different things you can do. Brad's not on DND, and I already told him that. So at any rate. 

Brad Crowell 10:26  

I am on DND. 

Lesley Logan 10:27  

We are calling you out. 

Brad Crowell 10:28  

It was DND. 

Lesley Logan 10:30  

So at any rate, I prefer the box to be where people can have straight legs and do the short box series with their full body. That's what I prefer. I will show this, I will show this answer on a live on YouTube as well, because I think a visual is a really great idea. 

Brad Crowell 10:46  

That's a great question, swimdog75.

Lesley Logan 10:49  

And if you are a teacher going, oh my God, I never thought about like that, then it's because you need to do my eLevate program. 

Brad Crowell 10:55  

That's right. 

Lesley Logan 10:56  

And I can't tell you if there's any spots left, because at the time we're recording this, we have more people approved than we can take.

Brad Crowell 11:01  

But 2026 is coming up and I'm literally already having conversations with people about. 

Lesley Logan 11:06  

We're already filling that. So you want to go. 

Brad Crowell 11:08  

Yeah, go to lesleylogan.co/elevate that's lesleylogan.co/elevate.

Lesley Logan 11:15  

Send your questions in. We want to answer them. We love answering your questions. It's so much fun. 

Brad Crowell 11:19  

Yeah, by the way, you can text them in so if you haven't just texted, you can text to say hi, hit us up at 310-905-5534, 310-905-5534. Send us a text or a DM or post a comment on the tubes of you. Awesome. All right, well stick around, because in a few minutes, we're going to dig into, or in a minute here, we're gonna dig into Dr. Louise Swarstwalter.

Lesley Logan 11:43  

And do you know if we made them wait for a few minutes? Stick around for a few minutes.

Brad Crowell 11:48  

Just stick around, 10 minutes from now, we'll be right back. No, I'm lying. All right. 

Brad Crowell 11:53  

Okay. Now let's talk about Dr. Louise A Swarstwalter. Transformational coach and naturopathic doctor specializing in brain health and emotional healing,. Dr. Swarstwalter is the creator of the Brain Soul Success Academy and the B.R.A.I.N. system. B-R-A-I-N system. She combines multisensory techniques and energy work to help individuals, including children with ADHD, overcome learning challenges and achieve mental clarity. This all happened because of her long journey where, I think she got an accident. I can't remember exactly what triggered it when she was in her 20s and 30s, but she said her brain was really not working properly. 

Lesley Logan 12:33  

She had, like, autoimmune stuff. 

Brad Crowell 12:34  

Yeah, oh, maybe she was sick. 

Lesley Logan 12:36  

Yeah. She was really, really sick, and they couldn't figure it out. 

Brad Crowell 12:39  

Yeah, she said she saw all the doctors, and basically they, you know, she ended up on her own just trying to piece things together, which centered on this journey of beginning to study all sorts of different things. And then she, I don't know when, but, you know, 30s, 40s, she became a doctor. How crazy. 

Lesley Logan 12:53  

It's kind of crazy. I've been, I've been listening to a lot of other doctor modalities lately, and like, the amount of them that have been like, there are so many things in the food and the world today that affecting women's health that it is complicated when something happens and they can't figure it out, because your symptoms are from all over your body, and the doctors here are so siloed.

Brad Crowell 13:16  

Yeah, they're specialized, sure. 

Lesley Logan 13:17  

So you end up just getting worse and worse, and it's kind of crazy. So she ended up taking, manage it in her own hands and then becoming someone who could heal people, and it's been really crazy to see what she's done. 

Brad Crowell 13:25  

Yeah, it's also, it's also, it's also. 

Lesley Logan 13:28  

You wanted to say it's a little bit weird.You wanted to say it's a little bit weird.

Brad Crowell 13:31  

It's a little bit weird. 

Lesley Logan 13:31  

It's a little weird. 

Brad Crowell 13:32  

It's a little weird. I'm not gonna lie, but I'll tell you, what's so funny is because she's clearly highly educated, and in the first like, two minutes of the interview, I was like, I want to call this doctor, and I'm ready. And then that was before I even knew anything about her because she's very compelling and she knows what she's talking about.

Lesley Logan 13:50  

And she also, like, because I've been able to teach for her, her groups of people, they're from all over. They're super cool, also all compassion, also so supportive, and she's really helped them. And I've, I've also seen, like, the before and after picture, the people she's done this stuff with, and by the way, these are before and after, like, we're not talking weight loss, we're talking like her just clearing the thing. Like, I got my, my great grandfather stuff got cleared. I did (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 14:16  

She introduced herself as a trauma coach. Right?

Lesley Logan 14:19  

Yeah. My great grandfather's stuff got cleared for me, and I felt so much better for days after. I really felt good. 

Brad Crowell 14:27  

Definitely, on the woo scale, I think we're talking to three. 

Lesley Logan 14:32  

Oh, Brad's going woo, woo, woo? 

Brad Crowell 14:33  

Yeah, we're gonna woo, woo, woo on this one.

Lesley Logan 14:36  

Does that mean that you came back around though?

Brad Crowell 14:38  

Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I'm intrigued. I'm genuinely intrigued. Because.

Lesley Logan 14:44  

It doesn't. Here's the thing, you don't have to join a commune for this to work. You don't have to go anywhere to get this help. 

Brad Crowell 14:50  

It's not a cult. That I could tell, not that I'm an expert on cult, but it didn't seem like it. 

Lesley Logan 14:54  

Well, I am, but also, but like, it's not like you're doing on a subscription membership. She, I don't think it's a great business model. She cleared my great grandfather's trauma for generations. So it's like, we're done there. 

Brad Crowell 15:06  

Well, it was, you know, and I participated in the exercise too. Even though she was doing it for you, I actually felt more calm. 

Lesley Logan 15:14  

Yeah. So she did the gyms for OPC members. And the members only stuff there is actually this gym thing, and she teaches this thing that she has her kids do, and she does it, like, each day to like, start the day, and it's really a great few minutes you get to spend with yourself and just kind of, like, set yourself up. So I'm not gonna lie, it's different. But also, like, some of the stuff that's out there that we think is safe is not so, like, I'm just saying, it's not, you're not take, here, you're not doing Colloidal Silver, you know what I mean, like you're not drinking anything, not shooting yourself with anything. She's not selling supplements like, you know, well, so I think that takes the woo off. I'm just saying. 

Brad Crowell 15:51  

All right, all right. We'll, we'll settle on a double woo. So when she was talking about energy.

Lesley Logan 15:56  

Yeah, so she said, we're all energy, 99% space and 1% matter, and she can compare the brain's energy field to an atom with rings around it, which can become unbalanced. And that makes sense to me, like if you think about Saturn's rings and how the solar system works, if something goes out of orbit a little bit, it pulls things in a whole different way, and so it would make you feel out of balance or sick or need something, and she stressed the importance of learning to clear these energetic influences to maintain balance and wellbeing. So I really like that, because sometimes yesterday's shit comes into today, so you can clear that.

Brad Crowell 16:32  

And not even just yesterday. I mean, yes, that can be internal, but like, especially for teachers you all have, you've all experienced this. Your client comes in, they're in a shit mood and what happens? You walk out of that session going argh because they've affected you, right? We are all susceptible to the energy that's around us. And I definitely have been around people who are angry and I'm like, I don't want to be around that person. I've been the one that are angry, and people said, hey, man, you're stressing me out, even though you're not angry at me. So, you know, we affect, I think we also, like often call this charisma, without realizing that it is energy that we're giving out. 

Lesley Logan 17:12  

You have some rizz, babe, some rizz, that's what they call it now. 

Brad Crowell 17:14  

Yeah, rizz, rizzy riz, so yeah, this doesn't strike me as odd or weird or even woo. I'm totally on board with the energy that we all emit. We are living beings. So sure. 

Lesley Logan 17:26  

So what else did you love now that you're in? 

Brad Crowell 17:28  

Yeah, yeah, okay. She said, pain starts in the field and unresolved issues can hinder progress. So I think when we're talking about the field, we're talking about just being out and doing life and doing the things, right? She said, for instance, personal wellbeing affects business success. So we carry, we carry these things with us throughout the day. They can transit, transfer from, I mean, it's like the work, work energy, home energy. You go home and you're like, I need to chill for a second before I can engage without bringing this with me into my family life, with my kids, or whatever. I'm sure many of you want to understand what I mean there. They're not that I have kids, but she said, oftentimes business owners don't realize that unless you're healthy, your brain is working and your field is clear, they'll keep pumping up against problems such as deeper layers of worry and sabotage. So maybe that, maybe I said that wrong, because I think our field is our energy field that we have. But when things get stuck in that energy field, we're bringing it with us into the other events of our lives. And it can affect our business, it can affect your sleep. It clearly can affect your relationships. It can affect the way that you see yourself. And I thought it was interesting, because what she asked you about was are you brought up the worrying?

Lesley Logan 18:43  

Yes, I was in a very big state of worry. I had this thing that I couldn't stop worrying about. And I was like, you know when you worry about something and then you spin it out, like they're like, then it's gonna go out to this. Oh my god, if I don't admit it, then it's, then it could actually, if we don't take care, it's gonna affect that, then that's gonna affect this. And I went on this domino, you guys. I told myself a story. It was a series. I told myself an entire series.

Brad Crowell 19:06  

Well, yeah, and again. I think this makes total sense to me, and this doesn't strike me as odd, that when we are affected by something, we carry that with us, that baggage with us, especially with trauma. I think the concept of trauma seems very tangible to me, and I understand that. So this idea of a field, pain starts in the field. It will stay with you. So yeah, that's then where we get into clearing that field. And I need to understand a little bit more about that with her. But stick around for that. We're gonna, we're gonna talk a little bit more about that in just a second. 

Brad Crowell 19:40  

All right, so welcome back. Thanks. Finally, let's talk about those, Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr Swarstwalter? She said we obviously need to keep working on ourselves and be mindful of brain hiccups, right, or moments of worry or anxiety where we shift back into what was in our field, right, the things that were stuck there. And she said a good way to be conscious of those things is to pull out a journal and just jot down a note—I worried about this today—and it allows you to come back to it later and be like, wow, six times today I worried about this thing, or just have some moments of reflection or awareness. But what I didn't talk about, I wanted to make sure y'all got the follow-up there. So the thing that I found that I don't really understand at all, and what was like double woo on the spectrum for me during your interview, was when she was clearing your ancestral trauma, and she mentioned this. I don't even know what she called it, actually, but it was like the somehow, the study of universal numbers, and she brought those numbers into play when she was working with you to clear what was stemming from your great grandfather. And I don't understand that in any way. So that's intriguing to me.

Lesley Logan 20:56  

Oh my God, I forgot to tell you. After this, so if you all listen to the interview, so it's important, you know that, like, my dad did not leave me, my parents did a mini separation. I'm pretty sure my grandfather told my dad to, like, he had to take my mom, or my mom had, like, somehow, my grandfather. 

Brad Crowell 21:15  

I'll get them back home, basically. 

Lesley Logan 21:16  

Yeah, so, and it wasn't like my dad wanted to leave. So I think it's really, really important, like, there was nothing. It wasn't like my dad was like, I don't want to be a dad anymore. But I asked my dad out of curiosity, hey Dad, how old was I? He said, the exact age that, that we said that, Dr. Louise said on, she's like, you were like 11, so and I was like, he said, he's like, yeah, I think you were like 11 or 12. And I was like, wow. I did not tell him. I did not, I said, hey, I'm just like, curious, like, remember that time like.

Brad Crowell 21:41  

Did you tell her? 

Lesley Logan 21:42  

No. 

Brad Crowell 21:42  

I'm just also intrigued. That was like, I literally rewound that and watch that two or three times. Because I was like, what did I just see? And I, because it was when she started to just do her work, and not explain what she was doing, that I was like, where are we going here, and what's happening right now? 

Lesley Logan 21:57  

And she asked, and she said you were 11 years old. And I was like, okay, so I just, like, that night my it was just my dad and I going to the gym, and I said, hey, Dad, like, kind of curious, remember that time, like, you got your mom, like, separated for, like, I don't know, 36 fucking hours, like, and he's like, I think you're like, 11. And I was like, shut up. Shut up.

Brad Crowell 22:17  

Well, that's kind of amazing. All right. Well, anyway, what about you? What's your Be It Action Item? 

Lesley Logan 22:22  

If you've ever been like, I only need to listen to recaps. I don't have to listen to an interview. It's like, (inaudible) it all. Now, you do.

Brad Crowell 22:29  

You have to listen to the interview. In fact, watch the interview, watch it on YouTube, because, like, she's, she's incredibly endearing, too. 

Lesley Logan 22:37  

She's so sweet. 

Brad Crowell 22:38  

Yeah, she's lovely.

Lesley Logan 22:39  

She looks like she should be teaching at church on Sundays. She said practice your mind gems. And it's her free gift, everyone. So if you don't, if you're an OPC member, you'll ask, you can still access this mind gems gift, but if you're an OPC member, you can, like, watch her teach it to me and all that stuff. 

Brad Crowell 22:54  

And this is what a mind gem, a mind gem is a set of handheld positions, that you can do in like five minutes or less, and what it'll do for you is change your focus and balance so it can increase your focus and memory, improve your balance and align your energy, and then get grounded and better sleep.

Lesley Logan 23:12  

Yeah. So you do some stuff with your hands on your head, and you switch which hand goes there, so you can stay present. Then you clear shock and anxiety by counting your fingers and pressing them on either side of your thymus gland. Then you breathe deeply during these exercises to enhance their common effects. So there's all these different things you can do, and I can't. I obviously haven't practiced them. So clearly called out right now, but it's her gift to you, so don't let me take that away from you. It's really cool. When we did it with the OPC members, like, people really loved it, and they're like, I want my mom to do this. So, like, super, super cool stuff. So your Be It takeaway is to go get your mind gems tutorial and try it. Because here's the thing, if meditating for four minutes or five minutes is not working for you, if breath work isn't working for you, you tried face yoga, it didn't work for you, and you tell me all the time, I'm so busy, I'm so busy, you may as well give the mind gems a try, because it takes four minutes and you get to move around, you get to count, you get to think. So it's all those things, plus it's calming and it clears your field. It's kind of cool. 

Brad Crowell 24:08  

I love it, yeah, oh, links in the show notes. Or you can go to her website, brainsoulsuccess.com and from there, click on the download mind gems.

Lesley Logan 24:17  

She is on this mission to heal so many brains. So like, she's kind of amazing. She's been on so many TV shows. She's quite cool. 

Brad Crowell 24:25  

She has been on all sorts of TV shows. It's true. Yep.

Lesley Logan 24:30  

I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 24:31  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 24:32  

How are you going to use these tips in your life? We want to know. Tag, the Be It Pod. Tag Dr. Louise. Share this with a friend. You know, you know, share it with a friend who also might think things are (inaudible) but you can previs like she, like, I was, you listen to recap. She did not know about, I think Brad knew that my parents had, like, a momentary separation. So at any rate, like, it's pretty cool. It's pretty interesting. So you can share it with a friend who needs it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 25:00  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 25:02  

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Brad Crowell 25:45  

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Lesley Logan 25:50  

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Brad Crowell 25:54  

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Lesley Logan 26:01  

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Brad Crowell 26:05  

Also to Angelina Herrico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally, to Meredith Root for keeping us all on point and on time. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter, a renowned naturopathic doctor and transformational coach reveals how unresolved traumas and emotional blocks can prevent us from reaching our full potential. Discover how her unique B.R.A.I.N. System clears these blocks, reboots your energy field, and aligns you with your true purpose, enabling you to live a more empowered and fulfilling life.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Dr. Louise’s health struggles that led her to become a transformational coach.
• Overview of the B.R.A.I.N. System and its five components.
• The impact of unresolved emotional traumas on physical and mental health.
• The importance of clearing your energy field to align with your true purpose.
• Rebooting Lesley’s brain with energy codes and understanding their significance.
• Practical tips on integrating the B.R.A.I.N. System principles into your daily life.

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• Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter's website "Brain Soul Success"
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• Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter LinkedIn
• Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter Youtube channel "Brain Soul Success"
• Lesley’s Brain Soul’s Affiliate Link
• Ep 400 Gay Hendricks

Guest Bio:

Dr. Louise Swartswalter is a master transformational coach, naturopathic doctor, speaker, frequency medicine pioneer and healer serving entrepreneurs around the world. She is the creator of the Brain Soul Success Academy and the B.R.A.I.N. System TM, a unique multi-dimensional system that works on the mind, body, soul and energetic field all at the same time to release the ancestral trauma with fast results that stick! Dr. Louise Swartswalter has 30 years of experience helping over 45,000 people achieve optimal brain power and success in life and business. Using a combination of tools Louise has helped people move from anxiety to calm in one session. One client told her that “one session felt like sixteen years of therapy” while another said “ she saved my life.” 

Her team of certified Brain Soul Success Coaches are helping people just like you worldwide transform their brains and increase their businesses. Dr. Louise has been a guest on KKOB radio and KOB-TV Good Day New Mexico. Schedule her for your next big event! [email protected] 

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Episode Transcript:

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 0:00  

And I had people take before and after pictures, because when we clear that deep energy of all that old, let's say, poverty, mindset, bitterness, sadness, struggle, whatever it is, and we clear that, and then I reboot my brain with a new program, people look like they've had a facelift. Like stress just melts away. It's better than bow ties.

Lesley Logan 0:22  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:04  

Okay, Be It babe, I'm gonna be honest, if you are listening to this podcast, then, that's great. Thank you. If you're watching it, you're in for a visual treat. If you are listening there is a part of this episode that's gonna sound funny and it makes sense if you're watching it-ish. We have Dr. Louise Swartswalter on today. I've been on her podcast, the Brain Soul Success podcast, and then also, I've had her in the OPC members only community. And I just really enjoy her energy. She's just so fun. And if you're OPC member, you should definitely check out her mind gems. We talked about those towards the end, but today we talked a lot about her journey and how she got into what she's doing and then, and I'm going to be really honest, some of you might be like, what is she talking about? What are these numbers? What is going on? And that's fine. You can absolutely wonder and want to know more information. And I also will say, if you have been struggling with anything in your life or in your body, and you've done all the things, you've gone to the therapist, you've gone to the doctors, you've had the X-rays, you've had the blood test, I'm like, it's not getting better, I highly encourage you to lean into this a little bit, because, one, what do you have to lose? Two, Louise, her whole thing in life is to help people the way she wanted to help herself. And I really love that, because a lot of us are seeking information to support ourselves, and some of us will take that information and teach to others, and that is what Louise is doing. So here's Louise, I think it's, we're going to go on a journey together, because I've had, I had something on my mind that's been bothering me for more than 24 hours, and I, it really makes me mad when something like that happens, and we were able to work through that. And as I do this intro, I've still worked through it, so it's still not bothering me anymore, which is phenomenal and exactly what I needed. So even I'm just really grateful for her, and I'm excited for those who do end up working with her, if that ever like, there's something special about what she's doing and how it can help you. So here she is. 

Lesley Logan 3:07  

All right, Be It babe, I'm so excited to introduce to you someone who's just like so delightful, pure joy all the time, coming from this woman that wasn't always her life. So we're gonna get into that very quickly. But Louise Swartswalter is our guest today. She is incredible. She has developed her own system for helping us remove trauma from our bodies and from our brain and has an incredible story. So Louise, will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at?

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 3:31  

Yeah, absolutely. I'm Dr. Louise and I rock at actually clearing traumas in the spaces of the brain and then rewiring and rebooting people for their intention, their goal. So it's a transformational system, and I love the results, like, I love what happens for people.

Lesley Logan 3:48  

Yeah, okay, so that's incredible, and we have to get into that in a second, but I want to g,o take a step back, because is this is what you went to school for at the beginning of your life? Like this is it, like, when you were growing up is this what you thought you'd be doing?

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 4:02  

No, absolutely not. So, you know, the whole story is, I mean, I was in Chicago. I'm now in Albuquerque. So I grew up in Chicago. I thought I was gonna have the white picket fence and the 2.1 kids and the puppy dog. I was a teacher. I actually played school with my best friend, Susie. We played school and we played cop. Okay, so I became a teacher, she became a cop. So we were like, six and seven. So that's really, you know, where this all kind of all started, and then I ended up getting really sick after my son was born, and I was on a journey to really heal myself, and medical didn't help me. In fact, I had all kinds of, like diagnosis, everything from fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, MS, they really didn't know what was wrong with me, and so I was on my own. I had to figure it out. So I ended up in the world of natural health. So everything from chiropractor to acupuncture to nutrition, I just kind of did it all, and then I started getting better, but I wasn't really 100% me yet. It like I was physically better. Of course, we start with our physical body, right? We start eating organic food, taking our supplements, exercise, doing Pilates, right? You know, doing things to really get ourselves healthy. But I didn't understand I really needed to work on the emotional body, the physical body, the spiritual body, and that we had an energy field. That was coming. So then I ended up learning all of that. I got my naturopathic degree, I got biofeedback devices, I started Albuquerque Natural Health Center. I did that for 20 years, and then the last about nine years, I was kind of overlapping, doing a couple of things, and I started Brain Soul Success about nine years ago and created my own system. So now I'm more online, but I helped a lot of people, like 50,000 families here in Albuquerque, and did a lot of talking Lesley, and people still call me. It's kind of fun. I just got to talk to somebody yesterday. I'm like, oh my gosh, your daughter was four, and she's graduating from college.

Lesley Logan 6:01  

That's amazing. I think it's so interesting how something that seems so like tragic and awful and terrible can really, I love hearing that story of like, it actually puts you on this journey to really, not only help yourself, but actually help so many people. It makes it not necessarily worth it, because you don't want anyone to have to go through that. But also, like, we wouldn't have what you've created. How did you have, like, the confidence or the energy or the stamina or the belief to switch, to go from someone who is, like, taking all of these, going to these acupunctures, going to these naturopaths, to be going, I'm going to be one. What did you have to tell yourself? How did you do that each day? Because I know that for people who listen like they all have this, like, I want to learn this, I want to do this, but I'm just this person. I'm just a teacher. I'm just a stay-at-home mom. Like, I think people hold themselves back and they don't know how to believe in themselves.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 6:55  

Yeah, you know, that's a very good question. I would say it took me 16 years. It was a long time. I mean, I woke up at in my 40s, and I was like, wait a minute. I've been like, not okay for 16 years. I'm done with this. So I prayed, you know, I have a strong connection. I have a strong faith. It's not religious, it's a faith, you know. And I just asked, I just just prayed and said, hey, you know what? I know I'm going to do something with this information someday. Lead me. Guide me. And, you know, I came to New Mexico to get away from chemicals and pesticides. I was very chemically sensitive. I was mold sensitive. And so I decided to move to the mountains. I researched where to go. And so we were in Taos for seven years. And those were our like, I call him my monk years, because we were in the mountains, and we got to pray and hike and see double rainbows, and my son caught wizards and tarantulas, and we had weird pets. I mean, it was just this sort of magical, magical time. And I loved being a mom, but I knew there was more. I was an awesome special ed teacher. So my background is special ed, so I was always involved in the brain, and my own brain got messed up, and I didn't even know my own phone number. It was written on a sticky note in my wallet in my 30s. So my quest was always to get my brain back, you know?

Lesley Logan 8:20  

Okay, so that, so let's get into that, because I love how things layer on. Because you were a special ed teacher and you had to learn so much about how different learning styles from people who have vastly different learning styles. I've been an atypical or neurotypical brain. What was that like? Are you just like reading books on brains? Like, how did you figure this out? Because I feel like a lot of people struggle. And some people are told things like, it's early Alzheimer's, which it might be, but like, you were in your 30s, that'd be really early. And it's so easy to, like, take a diagnosis, what? What led to, how did you figure this out? 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 8:52  

Well, okay, so, the diagnosis for all those autoimmune diseases, and I was just not going to accept that, and really, really, you know, it was my kids. I mean, I really wanted to be a mom at that time. I didn't know I was going to have, you know, a multi-figure company. I didn't know that then. I just really wanted to be a mom to my kids, and so I would just look at their little faces, and that was my motivation or my quest was to get my brain back, to be healthy, to have energy again. But I didn't stop. It's kind of like I treat my body now like a Ferrari. I'm going to put Pennzoil in it. Okay, we're not putting cheap Walmart oil in this body. So I had to learn all that. And so really it was just a study of reading books, taking classes, working with different practitioners. And then when I started naturopathic school, the reason I started that was because I said to myself, hey, you know what, Louise, you know all this. Why don't you just get the paper on the wall? Let's just get the certificate you've done all this work. So that was my quest there. But how I really kind of put the brains up together was this—those kids that I was teaching to read, write and spell—so I took a whole dyslexia program, even after public school teaching. I wanted to get my Master's in something, and I loved kids, love teaching, love the brain. And so I took this program, and what was, was using multi-sensory techniques to change the brain. So we did what you see with what you say, with what you hear, with what you write, with what you feel. And that's how you can take someone who is not able to read, write and spell, and teach them how, for example, we would sky write in the air, b-bat-book, so you're seeing the letter, you're hearing the sound, you're getting to feel it. Then we would do it in sand. Okay. So it's multisensory. And then really, this light bulb moment hit me. So I'm, I'm studying naturopathic school. I just got a biofeedback device. I'm playing with it, and I'm thinking, huh, it's a multi sensory program to help kids to learn write and spell again, read, write and spell, and it's changing their brain. Well, my brain didn't work. How come we're not doing a multisensory approach for healing? And that's how I came up with the B.R.A.I.N System. So B.R.A.I.N System really just is a five-step system, and it spells brain. It's an acronym. So B is body, because I started with my body, and then R is releasing. And there's a lot of releasing techniques that I teach. It's releasing the mental chatter, the emotional baggage, those questions that we have. Like you asked, How did you even, like, have the motivation to do anything? Right? Well, I didn't have energy right away. I just was like, I said I wanted to be a mom. But there's a lot of things we have to release. It's old trauma for when you were a kid, it's ancestral trauma, it's the time that you felt like guilty for something you didn't do. So that's, R is releasing. And then A is aligned with spirit. So I found, spirit, God, the divine, the universe, whatever you believe in, is always a part of healing our life, you know, whether you have a health issue or not. And then I is integrate. So it's integrating your brain frequencies to your soul's true purpose. So I also found it's hard for people to move forward and heal their life or their business, they don't have a purpose. You got to have a purpose, right? A driving, a drive almost like a GPS in your car. 

Lesley Logan 12:41  

Yeah, we actually have an episode. That's, it might have, it's already been out since this, when this comes out, and our friend, Rob Rodman, his whole goal is to help people find their purpose. Because he says, so few people know what it is, and even fewer people are doing it so and it's like the life regret is you get to the end and you like, you never figured it out. So that's, I love, that that's part of your system. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 13:05  

Yeah, that's a really beautiful part. And he's right. You know, people will regret that. It's interesting. Sometimes I feel like our purpose is just to be us, like, to be 100% your soul truth, like we're seeking that. To know who we are. 

Lesley Logan 13:18  

Oh, my goodness, isn't it so funny, how we can make it so complicated. Like, my purpose is to, like, save people from X, Y and Z, and (inaudible) it should be ourselves, like, just to be 100% yourself and know who you are.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 13:32  

Exactly. But it's right, and that's the second thing you said is so important, and know who you are, right? So that's what my whole system does. It's so interesting because in the ad is the new program, and the new program piece I love. It's actually really rebooting your brain. People don't know that your brain has rings around it. There's an energy field around your brain, and so when you don't work in that space, but I just give you a bottle of Total Recall great supplements that I have. It's not going to do it all. We have to do the feel too. So I do the feel part of the brain. So the new program is literally like rebooting your bio-computer, your brain, your energy field, with your goal, your intention, what it is you desire. 

Lesley Logan 14:17  

Okay, I love this, in case anyone is listening, is going hold on, like rings around our brain, like a Saturn ring. Is this why like, if I think something, my husband might say the thing I'm thinking right then, is that why that happens? Because my field is interacting with his field. Just in case anyone's like, I'm with you to the field. Can we talk about the field a little bit more? How do we know we have this?

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 14:39  

How do we know we have it. We're all energy. Okay, we're actually, we're actually 99% space and 1% matter. So we're all energy. So you and I are intermixing our energetic fields right now just by connecting with each other and talking with each other. So think of it as almost like in geometry class, the Venn Diagram, where you had circle and then another circle connected to it, and there was a space where those circles were connected. Yeah, yeah. That's how our energy fields mix all the time. We can actually get other people's stuff in our energy field too. So you could have a conversation with somebody, or you could even go to the store and buy something, and whoever is at the store is kind of having a bad day, and they're angry, and they're checking you out at the register, and you walked in fine, and now you walk out kind of grumpy. Okay? It's like you pulled in there, grumpy. We interacted with their field. So I teach people how to clear all that so that think of your your brain as there's an atom with rings around it, and when those capacitor rings are off balance you will be, too. So that's a simple explanation. 

Lesley Logan 15:52  

So you teach people to clear it like do we need to be thinking about trying to clear ourselves anytime we go out public? Is this something that I like this idea over-saging myself all the time because I feel like I'm wasting sage but like, is this something that you're doing to release, or you just acknowledge? Are you have you gotten to a point where you're like, oh, this person's energy is not great. I'm gonna have to clear that so it's not like constantly happening all day.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 16:17  

That's not constantly happening all day. But, I mean, I did a clearing on myself this morning, and we did a big, it was awesome. Awesome. I taught a class last night, and we did a ancestral clearing. We ended up going 23 generations back on dad's side, and I had people take before and after pictures, because when we clear that deep energy of all that old, let's say poverty, mindset, bitterness, sadness, struggle, whatever it is, and we clear that, and then I reboot the brain with a new program, people look like they've had a facelift. Like, stress just melts away. It's better than Botox. We should take the billboard out. Like, honestly, I should say, it's really cool. It's really cool Lesley to see the differences. So then I have people text me their pictures. So yeah, we have before and after pictures, because when we're clearing the field of all the stuff that's in the way of you achieving your goals, it's, things flow, there's synchronicity.

Lesley Logan 17:19  

Yeah, yeah. It's true. I mean, it's really funny how some days flow and some days don't. If you're really being having awareness, you know why that day isn't flowing, your brain is stuck on something, some conversation, some worry, and it's keeping you occupied, and it's tilting those rings out of alignment.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 17:38  

Yes, absolutely, absolutely, we all have that that's human. So it's really about learning some tools, if you will, to keep yourself clear and grounded, focused on what it is you do, what you do want, and every day is still going to be different. It's just having a tool bag to be able to clear yourself and have the awareness like you just mentioned. You're aware that you keep thinking about something, or you're worried about something, that's the place to go. Acknowledge it, take a look at it, so even just being present with it can help begin to clear it. 

Lesley Logan 18:13  

Yeah, yeah. I think that's, I think that's very true. I interviewed Gay Hendricks, and one of the ways that, he says you upper limit yourself, your brain like does a little self-sabotage, is worry, like your brain gets stuck on something. He's like, some worries are worth worrying about. You should definitely worry if you left the stove on or not, you know, but then you look at it like you said, call someone at home and have them go turn the stove off, or go check the stove, and that will get rid of the worry. But some worries are out of our control. They're like, they're not anything we control and also can create a story around something that just really derails how you engage with your day and how you stay in like your purpose, which is being yourself, because the worry is not who we are.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 18:56  

Right. Absolutely. Would you say that's something that's a pattern that comes up for you? 

Lesley Logan 19:01  

He says there's seven. And what worry is one of mine. And so I'm really good at catching it, not always good stopping it, but I'm very good at going, oh, we're we're self-sabotaging right now, you know, especially like, I'll tell you this morning, I had a worry on my mind, but I don't want to speak out loud, but I've had this worry on my mind, and I can tell you why it's happening. It's because yesterday, I had a really great meeting with the team. We are doing some big things that are taking us outside of our comfort zone, and so that like they're and they're also just scary on their own. It's always scary to make big changes, but to the thing that I'm worried about right now has nothing to do with that thing. And so I'm like, I know what I'm doing. You know what I mean? I'm trying to get out of the good feeling of, like, where we're going. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 19:45  

Yes, absolutely. Well, where that makes sense, you know, the reason I asked that, I was like, okay, let's play with this for a minute, do you want to clear that worry? 

Lesley Logan 19:52  

Yeah, let's clear. I would love to.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 19:56  

Okay, let's do it. Okay. So I'm going to ask you a question. What do you want to have changed or be different?

Lesley Logan 20:01  

About that worry, or about? 

Speaker 1 20:02  

It could be about the worry, it could be about anything. Could be the opposite of worry. Like, how you want to be. If you're so worried what would you want to like what would you want to feel? 

Lesley Logan 20:12  

Oh, well, joy, calm, confident. But I think the confidence of coming having the discernment of like, how to react to the, you know what I mean? Like, to react to that worry. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 20:22  

Okay, I am calm and confident. 

Lesley Logan 20:26  

Yeah. You know how you can see people, like, take something, and they like, hear a problem, and they just have discernment, and they make a decision, and they move on. And I, some worries. I do not move on. I don't want to go, I thought about that, and now, you know, thank you, next.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 20:43  

Okay, okay, so I am calm and confident and I'm able to to move forward. It sounds like. 

Lesley Logan 20:48  

Yeah. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 20:49  

Okay. So if you were calm and confident and able to move forward, what would change or be different in your life? 

Lesley Logan 20:55  

There'd be a bit more ease and less distraction. So I'd probably get more, I'd probably, not even get more done, but I'd have more presence, maybe more present. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 21:06  

And if you were more present and you have less distraction and you're getting more done, you're able to move forward, you're calm and confident. How would that make you feel? 

Lesley Logan 21:15  

Pretty great. Like, yeah. Just like, yeah. Like, unstoppable, but in the good kind not like, almost like I'm able to I'm also able to be around more people, like, I'd have more space for capacity to enjoy the amazing people in my life.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 21:36  

Okay, so let's put, what I'm gonna do, this is a technique called the Soul Tie Box. So what I do is I put you being unstoppable, calm, confident, being able to sort of make those decisions, move forward, right, with more ease, be more present. So I kind of put all of that in a box. And then this is an intuitive process where I ask, hey, whoa, what is pulling away from that? What is this worry thing about that comes up. So let's ask, because one, two, there's at least two strengths. So can I ask about the core issue of worry and where it started for Lesley? Yes, I can. Okay, so I'm just going to ask where this started, because I had feeling as mom, dad or great, great, great, great grandparents. So let's find out, is this mom dead or something else? Is it a situation in your lifetime. No, do the worries start with your grandparents? No, great grandparents. Yes, is this something on your mom's side, on your dad's side? So this is great grandparents, great grandma, great grandpa. So this is great grandpa on your dad's side. So if this is great grandpa on your dad's side, and he had oranges and other things in your fields. This is the energy field piece. Right? These are patterns that get passed down in our DNA, and then we play them out in our lifetime. And there's often layers of this stuff, but if we can peel a little bit of a layer off, and then, you know, next time there's like another onion skin that peels, then we can really, truly get back to 100% our soul truths, our authentic self, and that's when we can move forward with more ease and grace in life. Not that life doesn't happen, right?

Lesley Logan 23:11  

No, correct life lives. But yeah, it'd be great if, like, I didn't have my great grandfather stuff, I could have my own stuff.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 23:11  

Exactly. Got your own stuff. Exactly. 

Lesley Logan 23:19  

Also, so I'm so great that you could figure that out. Because I was like.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 23:27  

Yeah, no, it often is old patterns, and you've done a lot of work on yourself. So it doesn't mean there aren't things from childhood too. But because we're focused on worry right now, I wanted to find out the core of where it started, you know. So I also get insecurity, unsupported, worry. What are some other things we need to name about that time period, about great grandfather here, one two, anxiety, despair. I mean, they had a harder life, right? 

Lesley Logan 23:56  

Yeah, yeah. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 23:57  

So we don't end an old fear. I always think of fear and faith as opposite, and trust and worry is opposite. So, like, here's trust, here's worry, so I'm showing a pencil, you can't be halfway in the middle of the pencil. You're either at the top and trust or the bottom and worry. So really, when we find ourselves in that worry, our goal is to get back to trust and faith. Right? So that's where whatever tools you use, or if it's prior or self-taught, I teach some brain hacks. So this is this old stuff. So then I say, was this a liar or thief or a fraud? Was it all three. It's all three. I know those words kind of sound strong, but it's clearing a soul. It's clearing a soul body. Okay, any other words here, and then I say, what did it do? Did it kill, steal or destroy? Well, it stole your joy, your hope, your freedom, your comfort to be given, your clarity, your trust, protection, safety, confidence and letting go, so we reclaim those. Right. Do you feel a little bit of a shift? 

Lesley Logan 25:15  

I am feeling a shift. Yeah.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 25:17  

Isn't that cool? I know it's pretty fun. Yeah. Let's see if there's another string holding you back from being calm and confident, being able to move forward, right? Be more present, feeling great, having that space for people. Is this a male, female or a situation? It's a situation. Is it recent or old as an old situation? Is this old situation? Something with Lesley? Yes. Is it something with mom? Something with dad? Something with dad when you were a kid? When you were a kid. So we do a lot of dad stuff today. So zero through five, five through 10, 10 through 15, 10, 11, you were 11. So this is something age 11 with your dad. Now we have to find out if it's dad stuff in your field or something with both of you. So is this your dad's energy? Because when we're kids, we take on our parents energy, even because we want them to feel better subconsciously. So we take on their guilt, their stuff, because we want daddy to feel okay, right or wrong? So that's, you know, it's always that. And so this is age 11. Do you actually remember anything at age 11 with your dad?

Lesley Logan 26:27  

Not a ton. But I'm trying to think of how old I was when my parents did like a mini separation, and my dad moved out, and it wasn't for very long, and I don't have a lot of memory about it, but that feels like about the because it was before junior high. So, yeah, that's like, I'm feeling like that's about the age. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 26:47  

Okay, so dad moved out, so yes, so is there abandonment? Yes. So, so we're naming the words. In other words, what I'm really doing is naming the truth of what happened? And when you speak the truth, the truth will set you free. And I actually have cheat sheets of words. So if you're looking on YouTube, I'm holding plastic sheets of words. So I have cheat sheets of words that I test, and then sometimes I have to look for the right word, so, and it has to be the right word to clear all the way. So I'm going to give a really crass example. So if I say, if I'm frustrated, and I say, oh shoot, I don't really feel different, right? If I say, oh shit, I actually feel better. That just means that shit's the right word.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 26:58  

Yeah, yeah, yeah I agree.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 27:38  

Absolutely. Yeah, you know, okay, so we got vulnerability, helplessness, abandonment, these could be both you and dad. You know, overwhelm. There's a shock here we have to clear. We always have to clear the shock to heal. So there's a shock. I mean, you're 11, Daddy's not there. Negative, devastated, anguish. Is there another word A through, M, M through C, M, N, O, it's an O, word, oppressed, liar, thief, thief, oh, you're going to be so much better. (inaudible) Yes. That's a thief. It's stealing. It stole your love, your trust, your focus, your comfort to have, your confidence and your relief. Did we clear that for Lesley? 

Lesley Logan 27:39  

Yes. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 27:44  

Is there another word I need to say? No. I'm going to do a little clearing statements. Okay, this is called Access Consciousness. It's another body of work, but it's just a clearing statement. So we're just going to say, I just try not to create any judgments, assumptions, projections, conclusions, decisions about this time, when you were 11, and anything in your field that's still, you know, hanging out there, we release it now. Let it go. Allow you to be calm and confident and move forward and be present, to feel great, to be unstoppable and achieve your goals, good and bad, right and wrong, POD and POC, all nine, shorts, boys and beyonds. I often have people tap the bottom of their foot. I don't know why. It just seems to knock it out. So just kind of take an open hand and kind of hit your foot. 

Lesley Logan 29:17  

All right. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 29:20  

Good, awesome. Good job. Do you have any pictures in your mind of that time period? Do you still see like you alone with mom or something, or Dad? Dad's not there. Any pictures? 

Lesley Logan 29:31  

Not, not really. I mean, it's really funny. I don't have a ton of images that are from a long time, so I'm trying to think back and yeah, it just, so do I need to have one, like picture, a physical picture?

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 29:43  

I'm just asking. Because the reason why I'm asking that is because the picture creates, like, a little cellular memory bump in the brain. 

Lesley Logan 29:52  

Okay, so, yeah, no, I'm good.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 29:55  

I want to clear that if we needed to.

Lesley Logan 29:56  

No. Good. Okay, great. I don't have one.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 29:58  

Okay, good. All right, very, very good. Okay, so do we clear everything we needed to do today, you know, helping you with the worry? Yeah, now we want to reboot your brain. Okay, so this is the part that looks funny, because it's energy work and it's codes, it's numbers. When I first saw this over 20 years ago, I almost walked out of the class, but people's faces were changing. They were releasing accidents and stuff for people. And I'm like, how are they doing that with those numbers? That doesn't even like, I'm kind of scientific, both science, spiritual person, and so it looks funny, but I just want you to kind of hang with it. And if you're listening on the podcast and you're not on YouTube, (inaudible) hop over to YouTube and see this, but I'm just going to have you say those intentions, those goals that we wrote, and then we're going to integrate them in your field. Okay, so say I am calm and confident.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 30:52  

I am calm and confident. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 30:56  

I'm able to move forward easily. 

Lesley Logan 30:59  

I'm able to move forward easily. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 31:01  

Okay, I have more ease and less distraction.

Lesley Logan 31:04  

I have more ease and less distraction. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 31:07  

And I'm more present. 

Lesley Logan 31:09  

And I'm more present.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 31:11  

I feel great. I feel unstoppable. 

Lesley Logan 31:14  

I feel great. I feel unstoppable. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 31:16  

And I have more space to enjoy the amazing people in my life.

Lesley Logan 31:20  

I have more space to enjoy the amazing people in my life. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 31:24  

Awesome. Good job. So you're just going to hear me say these codes. And so what I'm doing is I'm circling my hand and saying numbers. So they're circles. The original work was put together by my teacher, Dorothy, was called, in the 1980s, the circles of life. Okay? So I'm going down your left leg, and I'm saying two, three, love, five, three, forgiveness, six, five, choice, nine, two, freedom, four, two, greater love. Okay, then we're going to come down your front, and I'm going to circle down your front, four, two, and I think I'll have you say these Lesley, say I have positive self-worth. 

Lesley Logan 32:00  

I have positive self worth. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 32:02  

Excellent. Two, two, I choose to succeed. 

Lesley Logan 32:04  

I choose to succeed. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 32:06  

Four, four, I choose to live in joy. 

Lesley Logan 32:08  

I choose to live in joy. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 32:10  

And six, two, I choose to live by the higher laws.

Lesley Logan 32:13  

I choose to live by the higher laws. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 32:15  

Excellent. 1-4-7 on your backside, I'm going to have you look at my x. So you're just going to look at an X, four or five. Both of those codes balance these ranks, depth ring around and alignment ring. So the depth ring goes around the head from front to back, the alignment ring goes side to side. And those codes balance that. The reason they're important because they also have to do with ancestral programs. So they go seven generations back and seven forward. So it should help your ancestors, too, 9-6-9-6-8-6-6-8-3 to 926 complete cycles 5,859 times 2 to 823 complete cycles 2,623, times 375, 377, 586-469-467 releasing trauma 10- 5-7-8-2-8-7-7-5 in the shock 1-2-3 place with peace 5-2 5 to 1137 complete cycles 87,357 times 6-7-6-7-6-7-6-7. Cool. 

Lesley Logan 33:27  

Cool. I feel lighter. This is kind of so funny. I drew this flower essence card two days ago, and I got a card, the ancestor card, and the woman who made us like, oh, you're gonna you're getting something from your ancestors, you know, you're getting a message from them. And the worry started that day, but it wasn't like from them, it was like from something else that came in my inbox. But the worry started that day, and I've left the card up because I'm, like, I didn't hear from my grandma, like, you know, like, I didn't hear from it. And so the fact that we're doing this today while the card is still up, and it turns out it's my great grandfather's stuff, like, it's making me laugh a little bit, because we were supposed to do this call a week ago in a whole different state. You know what I mean, like, so just the timing of this call, with this thing and this topic is just making me like, this is really great. We can go put that card away.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 34:24  

Absolutely. That just means you're aligned, right? Divine timing. 

Lesley Logan 34:28  

Yeah, yeah. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 34:29  

Like, it's all perfect. 

Lesley Logan 34:31  

It is all perfect. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 34:31  

You know. And also the fact that you noticed it. Right, that you're recognizing those signs for you. We want to lock this in, though, so I'm just going to have you say the bottom ones again. Say, I feel great and unstoppable. 

Lesley Logan 34:31  

I feel great and unstoppable. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 34:40  

And I have more space to enjoy the amazing people in my life. 

Lesley Logan 34:47  

I have more space to enjoy the amazing people in my life. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 34:49  

So the way we lock it in is we put our hands together above our heads. So you just want to put your hands together above your head, and don't let me pull them down. If I was with you, I would try to pull them down. Okay? And then we're going to cone our fingers on your right hand, meaning we're making like a little wander point with your fingers, and then make a circle in front of your heart and say, 2-2. 

Lesley Logan 35:10  

2-2

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 35:11  

I choose to succeed. 

Lesley Logan 35:12  

I choose to succeed.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 35:13  

And then tap your belly button eight times. Good job. Yay. Awesome. 

Lesley Logan 35:21  

Louise. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 35:21  

That's part of the brain system. Isn't that fun?

Lesley Logan 35:23  

It's fun. I feel so much lighter. I feel very this feels very great. And if you're listening to this in your car, it was probably the weirdest set of numbers you've ever heard. If you're an OPC member, you've met Louise before, so we've done the numbers before. So is this thing you only do with one on one? Is this something you do in groups? Is this something people can do to themselves? Like, how do we, like, take what you've created and how you learn and make sure that we stay with our rings and balance?

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 35:52  

Yeah, absolutely. So all those things. So I do it one on one. I also teach it. So I have certified coaches now. I put together Brain Cell Success Academy, so it's a school online where you can learn the brain system, so that you can have these tools too and learn to do this. And what I noticed is, the more I work with people, the more intuitive they get, and the more they trust their intuition. So they can do this process that I'm doing on you. Well, like, I can't learn that. I'm like, yes, you can. Yeah, take some time. It's not something you can do in a weekend, but it does take a, take a little bit of time, but it's totally doable. And I love doing big groups. So like, I have a retreat coming up in September, and I'm so excited because I get to teach the miracle integration, which is a whole integration we just did, like, a little bit, but there's always a movement, and it works on the different lobes of the brain, but it's the field, the work, the energy field work, and is so transformational. And the difference is, it sticks. It's not like Reiki. And then you leave, and three weeks later you're the same. It sticks. So that's what I like about this work. But yes, I can do it, both personally, in groups, and then I love teaching it, because when people have the tool bag, they can do anything they want in their lives, like I can tell you story after story. You know, traumatic brain injury, to getting married, becoming a health coach, starting a business, all kinds of things happen in a year. That much happens, that much transformation.

Lesley Logan 37:26  

I want to highlight that. Like before we did that whole thing, you had mentioned that at 30 you couldn't remember your own phone number. Yeah, so you clearly have healed your brain. 

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 37:41  

Yes, you know, I do those every day, so I got those down. But yeah, I really take pride in having a sharp brain, and I love helping other people get there, and because I'm using a multisensory approach to it can take, I mean, I started with the ADHD population years ago, and in three months, not one of those kids was ADHD. It doesn't have to take that long. People struggle. It makes me sad, because they don't have to struggle. The piece they're missing is they're missing the energy work of clearing the trauma and rebooting the brain with these codes, with these circles.

Lesley Logan 38:13  

Yeah, I find it really fascinating, because I feel like there's not enough research on a lot of things, and there's so much different research, and they're finding there are people who have different learning styles. And I think that that's very true. I think we all were that's why there's multisensory we would have had that before if there wasn't different learning styles. And I also think like there is so much trauma, and we're not dealing with it, and so now we're we have even more than ever. A lot of people who are very young ages are missing out on great, healthy life experiences, because they don't have the energy and they don't have the stamina, and they don't have the brain capacity to remember their phone number. And so it is really, it is really amazing that there are other tools out there. But also, you know, I guess my question is, like, what do you call yourself so people can find you? You know what I mean? Like, I find it to be very interesting. How would people, you know, because so many people want to like, they want, certainty, they want the pill or they want, I definitely am sure there's people listening going, okay, so all those numbers, but let's just see how Lesley feels in an hour. And you know, I'll keep you guys posted on the recap for sure, to tell you what I'm feeling but I think some people want the pill or the test or the thing that they can like, this is gonna work, and this can feel a little more esoteric?

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 39:25  

Yes, no, absolutely. I mean, I have thousands of testimonials. So, I mean, you kind of have to go there, because you're right. I'm not doing a blood test that shows that your blood changed, you know what I mean, and yet this energy work has changed that So the way that we prove it is with before and after pictures because people can see it themselves, they see the differences in their face. So the face, the body language that can change, and so that's how I can show it, but I guess I would call myself a transformational coach, and yet I have a tool bag because I'm a naturopathic and I've worked with the brain for so long, and I have five different biofeedback devices, so I back things up with biofeedback. So even that alone was powerful, but when I added the brain system with it, then I can work in the field at the same time that I'm figuring out the body pieces and balancing the serotonin and the dopamine and all the stuff that we can do with with neurobiofeedback, it heightens it. And so because it's a multidimensional, multisensory, it's faster, so obviously, take the fast way or the slow way. You can take the slow way and take supplements for three years. Great. Go get blood tests. Awesome. You feeling a little better, great. But then when that emotional stuff comes up in your life again, and you start tanking again and not feeling good, it's because those other layers haven't been addressed.

Lesley Logan 40:50  

Yeah, it's very true. I think we don't pay attention enough to, like you said, the emotional layers, or those mental layers, like they really do have an effect, and they become something we can feel oftentimes, we just describe that, and then we go hunting down for the source to why you have pain in your stomach or pain in your shoulder, or pain here. And if you've tried all the things and they haven't worked, it's worth trying this, because you know, what did you have to lose?

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 41:18  

Yeah, absolutely. No, pain starts in the field. So I do muscle testing and show that pain starts in the field. When we did a miracle integration on Cherie few years ago, she had pain in her hip for 15 years, everything from chiropractor to physical therapist to doing all kinds of things. And in one integration, the pain was gone. And it's not just for pain or for health. You can up level businesses too. So I can take people who are here, and then they can triple their income by the time we clear enough layers, because it's about getting back to your soul's truth. So that's what I love, is I love really helping people have, have the life that they want to have, whether it's a business thing, a health thing, but you can. But oftentimes business owners, they don't realize that, unless you're healthy and your brain works, right, and your field is clear, yeah, you're going to keep bumping up those against those problems of the deeper layers of worry or self sabotaging, whatever's going on.

Lesley Logan 42:18  

No, that's 100% correct. Yeah, your business can only grow as strong as you are and as healthy as you are. As the owner, for sure, you're so wonderful and so brilliant. You've got so much to offer people. We're gonna take a brief break and find out how people can find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 42:32  

All right, so where can people connect with you? Where can they get more brain success with you?

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 42:40  

So they can connect with me at the website. It's brainsoulsuccess.com You can find me on social, on Instagram, Facebook. I'm not on Twitter. And I also have a podcast of my own, and we have Lesley on the podcast. That was awesome. Lesley, thank you, Brain Soul Success Show. So you want to check out the podcast. I have great guests. I think this week we're, we have a Shamany Jane on and I love Shamany. She works a lot with Bruce Lipton and Gregg Braden, and she's proven energy work, and she's coming to our retreat, so she will be here in September, speaking and sharing her gift with us.

Lesley Logan 43:15  

So cool.

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 43:16  

I'm so excited. Yes, absolutely. 

Lesley Logan 43:19  

That's so cool. Okay, well, your story is really empowering, and what you're doing to help people is really amazing. And you do this a lot, and also me myself, I feel amazing. But actions that people can take, bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted, steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us?

Dr. Louise A. Swartswalter 43:37  

Keep working on yourself. You know, definitely, keep working on yourself. Become aware of those little, I guess, must say, brain, brain hiccups, or things that are just like you became aware of the fact that you were worried. Become aware of those things and maybe journal them. And then I have a free gift that can help balance those brain rings. And they're called Mind Gems, and they're like, take four minutes to do, and they're starting to balance the rings around the brain. And so very simply, this is present time, putting your hand on top of your head, and then you switch it, and that allows you to just like, chill and be in present time. And then we can clear shock and anxiety by coning your fingers and putting it on either side of your thymus gland. And so if you take some time here, when you do this and you breathe into it, it'll clear shock and anxiety. And then we switch it, so most of them are done switching. And so that's just a couple of the mind gems, but those will help you to balance, stay focused.

Lesley Logan 44:41  

Yeah, OPC members, we did the mind gems together with you, but you can get all of them from Louise's site I'm sure. These are great. These, I already, I'm calmer again. I'm so present. Walk around, you know, reminding myself. You're wonderful. I hope to run into you. I venture soon through Mexico on our winter tour because it would just be so fun to meet you in real life. Thank you for all the work that you do and how much you believe in helping people. It's so beautiful. And y'all, how are you going to use these tips in your life? Tell us what was your takeaways were? Make sure you tagged the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs it. We all have people in our lives who've done everything under the sun to try to help themselves, and maybe they need this. Maybe this is the thing that they need. So share it with a friend who might need it, and until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 45:33  

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Brad Crowell 46:15  

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Brad Crowell 46:35  

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday. 

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah. 

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guests will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and be it till you see it. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hey, Be It babe. Welcome back to your FYF. It's our third episode of the week is always a win week. And the reason is, is because in being it till we see it is not about only celebrating when we get to where we're gonna go. It is celebrating things along the way. And some of those things are gonna seem really huge, and some of those things will seem really small. Some of those things are gonna be like, that's a win? And we're gonna be like, yeah, it is. So today is September 13th and we've got some wins of yours to share. So let's get into it. 

Lesley Logan 1:13  

So from Melissa Capitano, she's an Agency member and eLevate grad, she put I shared part of this on the group call but it's getting even better. I have three clients who are just loving that I'm teaching classical Pilates. If you haven't done eLevate yet, it's a game changer. Two, Karen and Wes are private-only clients and work with both me and another teacher. Both have decided that they want to learn the sequence and the exercises and see and feel their progress. I felt like I couldn't give, have given them that before. It actually worked well because the other teacher lets them stretch and works with them on balance and coordination and more contemporary Pilates. Karen is coming four times a week now. The other client, Monica, takes classes, mat and equipment, and does two privates per month with me. Karen and Monica bought the Reformer Flashcards and study them. And Monica even talked her sister into buying the cards. Karen told me she watches Lesley's videos while she pays bills and stuff. Melissa, this is so special. You guys, if you're a Pilates instructor, you need to hear this. And if you're not and you're a client, then you could be Karen and Monica, right? But we think that people want to be entertained and we think that they aren't going to be as into the exercises as we are, but they are. They absolutely are. They're so wonderful. And I'm so, so proud of these ladies and I love that they like watch the videos while paying their bills and doing things. They're like taking time to learn their Pilates outside. That is so fun. Thank you so much for doing eLevate, Melissa, that was I'm so glad you did. And anyone who's interested in eLevate, if you want to have clients like this, you gotta reach out, see if there's room in 2025. This other one is from Andrea Maida. She is a dear friend of mine. We do a lot of YouTube collabs together and she wrote, "My wins are an amazing 6 a.m. Reformer workout with friends, booking plans for August and October and a clean bedroom. You guys, let Andrea Maida's wins show you that you can call a workout at 6 a.m. a win, a workout could be a 3 p.m. and a win, and that making plans for the future is also a win, especially if you're someone who doesn't always do that, right? So oh, I just love that so much, Andrea. Thank you, thank you, thank you for sharing your wins with us today. You guys, send your wins in and I will share them on an episode. And the thing is, you'll probably hear them after the win has been passed for a while, and so then you get to relive your win. And it might just happen on a day that you need it, that you just really need it. Okay, so here's my win. I didn't kill my plant. It's a big deal for me. It's a really big deal. So I'm trying to get into having plants that stay alive because I really like the look of plants, and I really like how beautiful they are, and I want more plants in my life. I just have always loved rooms that have plants, you have better air. But I want this plant, and I don't really know the name of it but it's got pink and green leaves, and I really liked the look of it, and I put it in this really cute pot, and I want it to be in my office, so I have all this like, disco stuff. That's a, it's a pot that's got like, disco glass on it, right? And so I put it in my office, where it hits the light the first half of the day, and it just looks so beautiful. And it started like the leaves went from being up and beautiful to, like, sad. So I had someone look at it, and she's like, I think you should just water it a little bit more, because when leaves are like that, they need to be watered more. And I'll say, I watered it more, and in 24 hours, it looked a little better. And then I was like, you know, someone told me this plant also needs just like more light, even though this window technically is facing the east and technically should be getting light for the first half of the day. My office isn't that bright. Maybe it's not bright enough. So I put this beautiful plant in the bathroom where we have lights that keep our plants alive, because there's no windows in this bathroom. And after two days in there, she is happy as a clam. She's got new growth, she is ready. She is loving life. And so I'm so happy because I saw that she was sick, I asked for help, and then I stayed curious, and she is alive, and she is not in the room I want, so I have to go get another pot and a different plant. But I didn't kill her, and she looks beautiful in her new home, in the back part of the house. And I will have to just get another plant. And now I'll have two plans that I get to keep alive. And if you're like, Lesley, this is just really like, this is not a win. This is lame. My friend, you are not giving yourself enough credit in this world. And I'm going to call you out, this is a total win. I've never kept a plant alive in my life, and I'm really, really proud of this. And everything can't be so serious and hard all the time. We put a lot of pressure on ourselves to be super, super aware and on top of things and all this stuff and like we just have to be everything all the time to all the people that actually doesn't like lead to a wonderful life, nor does it allow you to have fun and be present. And we have an episode coming out about female burnout because we're so hard on ourselves. So I am sharing this win that I kept plants alive to hopefully help you chuckle a little bit and think about all the plants you've kept alive. Or maybe it goes help makes you want to go buy a plant and try to keep one alive. Or maybe you've kept a pet alive. That's a big deal. Good job. Pat yourself on the back. You are doing great work. That's what this episode about, to remind you you're doing amazing things. 

Lesley Logan 6:16  

All right. Your mantra for the weekend is my perspective is unique and important. My perspective is unique and important. My perspective is unique and important. I love that your perspective is unique and you are important. Thank you so much. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:39  

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Brad Crowell 7:21  

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Lesley Logan 7:26  

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Brad Crowell 7:31  

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Lesley Logan 7:38  

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Brad Crowell 7:41  

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Lesley and Brad recap an insightful conversation with Dr. Jan Schroeder, Ph.D., an expert in exercise physiology, focusing on fitness and self-care during perimenopause. This episode offers actionable insights on how to adapt your exercise routine and lifestyle habits to support your health during this transition.

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• Pros and cons of using the AeroPilates reformer for home practice.
• The impact of perimenopause on women’s reduced physical activities.
• Understanding the role of cortisol in your body during menopause
• Adjusting workout routines to align with your body's changing needs.
• Why crucial to give yourself permission to adjust your fitness goals.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

She advocates that you have to have a holistic approach to combining exercise, nutrition and hormonal management to navigate menopause effectively. And she really gave us some tools on just adjusting our behavior so it's not like this negative thing, but actually it supports these changes, because these changes don't have to be a bad thing. There's positives to it as well. 

Lesley Logan 0:20  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 1:01  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I

 are going to dig into the implementable convo I had with Jan Schroeder in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to this one, you should go back and listen. It's a perimenopause one, guys, we finally got someone who really is like a wealth of knowledge in this area and on a specific niche of it. And I'm so, so excited for it to hear, for you to hear all of it. So anyways, you're gonna want to listen to this and listen to that. Today is September 12th 2024 and it's Are You Okay Day. So the history of Are You Okay Day, in 1995 Barry Larkin's death by suicide left his family and friends in deep grief and with unanswered questions. In 2009, his son, Gavin Larkin, chose to do something about his father's death. He came up with just one question to honor his father and prevent more suicides: "Are you okay?" Gavin and a few of his friends decided to turn it into a national campaign from this realization and with their expertise and passion, R U OK? was born. So Gavin actually passed away in 2011 but truly held onto the belief that a conversation could change a life. His legacy is now a national conversation movement. R U OK? is a harm and suicide prevention charity that encourages people to have conversations that help others and themselves navigate the difficult times in their lives. You can learn more about R U OK? on the thing, it's really wonderful what they're doing. There's also some really other amazing charities. Our friend, Mai, is actually part of the Nevada suicide prevention.

Brad Crowell 2:23  

Yeah, it's ruok.org and I think it's ..org.au 

Lesley Logan 2:28  

Awesome. 

Brad Crowell 2:29  

And that's A, not A-R-E, it's the letters R and then the letter U, ruok.org.au

Speaker 1 2:37  

There's also, in the States, there's the AFSP and this one, you can learn more about suicide. You can learn how to help prevent it. And usually, different states have their own local organizations of those. So, really important and if you are needing a phone number, 1-800-273-TALK (8255) is the phone number you can call for prevention, lifeline for suicide. And there's also a lot more information on calling it death by suicide or died by suicide, because there's a lot more research around why this is happening, how this is going on. And it's not as selfish as we have come to think. So it's really, really important that you check that out. All right, some upcoming events and travel. Like we said last week, we're kind of sitting around and that and in Las Vegas and enjoying the best time of the weather that is here. But we're also thinking big time about 2025 because it's gonna be here before we know it. And a lot of the things we work on are years in the making. So eLevate, which is our mentorship program, that is something we actually accept applications for early, because it's a big program, and we wanna make sure

Brad Crowell 3:39  

It's a commitment, it's a, you know, the transformation that you are going to get is massive. 

Speaker 1 3:45  

And it also is something that will continue to change and evolve in your life over time. So it's not like you just do it for nine months and it's over. There's like, more that you get out of it. It's like a fine wine, it just, or a tequila, right? So if you are a teacher interested in our mentorship program, go to lesleylogan.co/elevate and you can learn more about it. You can hear what our past grads had to say. We've now had 49 people do the program, 50 people.

Brad Crowell 4:10  

Yeah,Something like that. 

Lesley Logan 4:10  

Yeah. And I'm, just because we keep the groups nice and small. So I'm really, really excited for 2025. Also in 2025 is our February Cambodia retreat. 

Brad Crowell 4:18  

Yeah, come join us. 

Lesley Logan 4:19  

Oh, my God. I cannot wait to spend a week with the people who have signed up. I'm really, really excited to get to know them more. We do Pilates classes, we tour temples, we go to Lotus farms. 

Brad Crowell 4:27  

We had two more sign up. It's gonna be great.

Lesley Logan 4:28  

I know it's gonna be so amazing. So crowsnestretreats.com is where you can get more information on the retreat. And by the way, like you can come straight to Cambodia and leave and be home and only miss like eight days of your busy life, or you can hit Thailand or Laos or Vietnam on your way in or your way out, and like, really make Southeast Asia a tour and a trip. And we curate the week for you on this retreat. It's really fun. We do breath work. We do a lot of work on life balance and things like that. Plus we get to enjoy a beautiful country. 

Brad Crowell 4:32  

Plus lots of Pilates. 

Lesley Logan 4:54  

Lots of Pilates. And because you are listening to this, you might actually be a little Pi-curious, Pilates curious. And so we hope that you check out onlinepilatesclasses.com as a way to get more Pilates in your life. We really do pride ourselves in making it easy and accessible to get accountability and community and feedback on your form at OPC. So go to opc.me/40 because you can take Pilates classes from us in our app. You can talk to us about the class in our app, and you can celebrate others in there as well. 

Brad Crowell 5:32  

And if you're a business owner, whether that's a super small business owner just getting started, maybe you have one home client or something like that, all the way to I've got multiple studios. If you're feeling stuck with your money, I want you to come join me for a free webinar that I'm hosting called the Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator. And we're going to be uncovering three big secrets that we've come to realize over the years after having coached more than 2000 businesses coming through our coaching program, join me at prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator to sign up for free. 

Lesley Logan 6:09  

All right, before we get into the amazing conversation, I had with Jan about our fitness and perimenopause, we've got an audience question to answer, yes? 

Brad Crowell 6:16  

Yeah, we sure do. "Is the AeroPilates reformer sufficient for reformer training in a small space or a piece of junk, and I should just try to find a legit reformer somewhere else to practice with?" asks @etain.pilates on the YouTube.

Speaker 1 6:31  

Yeah. So we actually even went deep into discussion, because I had several questions about affordable reformers for home practice and things like that. So there is an actual long form answer to this question, and I'm going to give you a snippet of it, and hopefully, if you need more information, you go watch that. Actually I have two videos. We have one on how to choose reformer for at home, and then we have me answering this question, like, how do I find affordable reformer at home? So I'm not going to call anything junk, especially when I don't know why it was created. Something that's really important to note is that Pilates equipment is typically created for the style of Pilates that's designed to go on it. Just like a treadmill or a bike or, you know, any kind of fitness thing, it is created for the style of work that you're going to do on it. So for me, if you are trying to do Pilates that's more classical or even typical contemporary I'm not talking like athletic reformer, because I don't know more about that. Then I don't know that the AeroPilates is going to be sufficient enough for home practice, because it's going to limit you, and it's going to change things in a way that you can't modify. So the foot bar, for example, it's not going to be the angle you're used to when you teach or you go to a studio, the straps, the handles, the bungee cord versus spring. So I'm not going to say it's junk. I'm going to say that if you are trying to deepen your reformer practice, it's going to be like you don't see sprinters for the Olympics training on ice skates. They don't. Right? It's just, there's nothing wrong with ice skates.

Brad Crowell 7:57  

I think a better comparison there would be, they're not training in a walking shoe, they're training in a running shoe. 

Lesley Logan 8:05  

Correct. You're correct. Okay, that's a better example.

Brad Crowell 8:07  

They are certainly not training on ice skates. Obviously, you're you're not going to try to do Pilates on a trampoline.

Speaker 1 8:11  

Fair, fair, fair, a better analogy. Kind of come up things on the spot, some, they can't all be brilliant, but you're correct. Like, the sprinters are not in, they're not even in regular running shoes but they're in track shoes with like.

Brad Crowell 8:11  

That's actually the best analogy. They're not training in running shoes, they're training in sprinting shoes.

Speaker 1 8:27  

We got that, we got we got there, we got there. So what I would say is I would find a studio that you can rent space at and abuse theirs, or I would find a used reformer that truly is more like what you're used to and accustomed to and make it a piece of furniture in your home. People are not expecting homes to look like hotels. They expect homes to look like things you live in, so get the one you like. That's my answer. If you want to get a discount on a Balanced Body or Contrology piece, you can check out opc.me/perks, we do have discount links on all of that stuff. 

Brad Crowell 8:58  

Yeah. And if you're trying to find our YouTube channel, just go to opc.me/yt. All right. Well, thanks for asking that question. If you have questions that you'd like to ask, feel free to text us at 310-905-5534, or hit us up on Instagram. Just that. Mention us and fire away. Stick around. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 9:17  

All right. Now, let's talk about Jan Schroeder. Dr. Jan Schroeder is a professor at Long Beach State University and coordinator of their unique Bachelor of Science in fitness. So you can literally go to college for fitness. And that's. 

Lesley Logan 9:33  

It's like, one of the only places you can do that. 

Brad Crowell 9:35  

I think she said it is the only place. 

Lesley Logan 9:37  

Yes, yes. Oh, shout out to Michelle Sims (inaudible), she connected me with Jan because she said is there anything you need? I'm like, yeah, I need two people. I need people on perimenopause, who do you know?

Brad Crowell 9:46  

Yeah, so Jan, Dr. Schroeder has a PhD in exercise physiology and she's passionate about educating women on the importance of personalized fitness strategies, overall well-being and self-care during and after menopause. She encourages women to prioritize their health, understand the changes in their bodies, and adapt exercise and lifestyle habits tailored to their physiological, social and psychological needs.

Lesley Logan 10:12  

Just, okay, was, I found it really enlightening. I felt like there was so much permission. I found like she had so much information. There's a lot of people who are out there now talk about perimenopause, and I'm loving how much advice and information out there. I thought I was like, oh my god, I'm going through it early. I got some help from Femgevity, and I'm not, but I actually do have some support, some bio identicals to just enjoy my life and keep a baseline. But she talked about, like, how we don't really need to, like, go, oh my god, I'm going through this. I can't go, there's so much support out there. But a lot of times the things that we are doing as we go through perimenopause and into menopause are actually giving us reverse results we want. So she specifically took a little lens of fitness. And when you are in perimenopause and post-winter and like, winter menopausal because your hormones change, she advocates that you have to have a holistic approach to combining exercise, nutrition and hormonal management to navigate menopause effectively. And she really gave us some tools on like just adjusting our behavior. So it's not like this negative thing, but actually it supports these changes, because these changes don't have to be a bad thing. There's positives to it as well.

Brad Crowell 11:21  

Yeah, that was one of the biggest things she was talking about. Is that we only ever seen to hear or talk or think about the negatives, and we very rarely think about the positives of it. 

Lesley Logan 11:35  

I also just want to say, like, I love that what she talked about, like a 40-minute workouts or less, working out in the morning, doing different things that can actually support so that the workouts you're doing are supporting your health, your longevity, your cardiovascular system, your bones, if weight loss is something you're wanting to do, those are all really important things. And the world is set up with these hour-long classes, high-intensity classes, and we've got women over 40 doing these crazy metabolic workouts when really they need some strength. They need some move meditation. And so I was like, patting myself on the back. I'm like, OPC is 30-minute classes, just saying, and you can do when you want.

Brad Crowell 12:15  

Well, I thought something that was really interesting was she talked about this natural inclination that we have to we, meaning women who are going through menopause, that they have, as they hit menopause, they just stop moving. 

Lesley Logan 12:30  

It's a real it was really interesting. The part of the brain that just goes, okay, I'm not gonna tell you to get up.

Brad Crowell 12:35  

Yeah, she said the stats are 40% less movement typically as a woman is hitting menopause, and I don't know if that's just built into how we are, or if it's like, oh, this societally adopted thing of like, oh, I hit this phase in my life and I'm gonna just stop now.

Lesley Logan 12:52  

It did. And she said it doesn't even sound like it was a conscious thing. It's like

Brad Crowell 12:55  

(Inaudible) she said women tend to sit more. They're just sitting more. And she said, it's really important to start paying attention to those things using a fitness tracker or a journal, so that you can start to track yourself and be like, oh, wow. I used to get 10,000 steps, and now I'm getting 6000 steps. How did I end up doing that? Right? So we use an aura ring. Can't give you a link to it, really, it's not that easy to do that, but the Oura ring, it connects to your health app on your phone, and it tracks a whole lot of different things. But she said, be mindful. Jot those things down. She said it is actually reduced activity level is dictated by estrogen. So yeah, you're right. It doesn't seem like it's a conscious thing. She explained, the estrogen affects different tissues in the brain, especially the hypothalamus, which is responsible for how much food you eat, how hungry you feel, how much energy you are feeling like you can expend, want to expend. She said, when we take estrogen away through menopause, what the brain does is the hypothalamus cannot regulate these things anymore the way you used to. So it's important for you to consciously regulate them yourself. Be aware of that stuff. So yeah, I mean, I found that really intriguing. Stick around. We'll be right back. 

Brad Crowell 14:08  

All right, welcome back. So finally, let's talk about those Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Dr. Jan Schroeder? She advised against long duration cardio workouts during menopause. And y'all, we talked about this about a million times that the 80s were all about running and cardio, and that was how you're gonna lose weight and it has been busted and disproven. That is not reality a million times over. But what I found really interesting was she started to talk about cortisol, and when we hear cortisol, we immediately think negative things. We're like, oh, cortisol bad. And she said, No, actually, cortisol is also good, but we have to regulate how much of it that we have in our system. And as we age, more cortisol is just natural in our bodies. And then through menopause, it can kick it up a notch even more. And she started talking about things like, when are you doing your workout and how are you doing your workout, right? So when she started talking about working out earlier in the day, and then how you're doing your workout, cardio is gonna just add a lot of cortisol. And she said the problem with cortisol is it affects your sleep. You need it in the morning. It gets your brain going. It gets you going. But then in the end of the day, if you're jamming a lot of that, you know, if you're kicking off a lot of cortisol, you're going to have a difficult time sleeping. You're not going to process during sleep, because you're not going to be getting that sleep. And so basically, it becomes a problem if you're adding a lot to it at the end of your day. So she did recommend, this is where she was talking about 40 minutes or less and working out in the morning. And she recommends short bursts of high intensity of interval training to manage cortisol levels that's instead of long, long distance running kind of thing. So what about you? 

Lesley Logan 15:53  

She said, You need to give yourself permission to back down. Oh, my god, are we sensing a theme of this podcast? So you need to give yourself permission to back down. She said, if you're a runner, that's gonna be too intense for you. So walk and put a weighted vest on. And I added a weighted vest to all of my walks. I'm gonna tell you guys, holy freaking molly, even if the walk is short, I'm no longer like, oh, my own we didn't do long enough walk today because it was too hot. Just adding that weighted vest intensified the walk. 

Brad Crowell 16:19  

What did you get, 12 pounds? 

Lesley Logan 16:20  

Not 12 pounds. Yeah.

Brad Crowell 16:22  

It's in the middle of the road one, right? 

Lesley Logan 16:23  

Yeah, yeah. And I think now, hey, my in-laws, I would like a weighted vest where I can add weights or take them off. That's what I want for Christmas. Okay, but, like, maybe I have to look it up, because I'd like it to be a little sexier than what I've got. This is like the ugliest thing, but it's okay. It's fine. The looks don't matter. But it's those kinds of things, like, give yourself permission, that's going to be okay. We don't have to be at our highest level all the the time to be at our best self. And I thought that was really cool. You don't have to be your highest level all the time to be your best self. 

Brad Crowell 16:48  

I think that is something that's been interesting for me, is being like, hey, today I generally don't feel like I can take on the world when I go to all my workout, right? And then being like, all right, it's all right, if I only do 80% of what I did last week on as far as weightlifting goes, or whatever. 

Lesley Logan 17:06  

Yeah, and by the way, guys, it's called listening to your body. And also, like, if you keep going, wow, I keep feeling like I can't do it, then that's a sign you do that. Like other things are going on. You need to do some other things if you still have your cycle, ladies, I do use an app I have no affiliation to, called wild.ai that actually helps me figure out what kind of workouts I should be doing based on where I am in my cycle, which is really, really cool, because then what I do is I do more high intensity on the first two weeks-ish, and I do a little longer duration, lower intensity on the last two weeks. It has really helped me manage the cortisol as well. So I'm not doing cortisol when I have progesterone coming in, because that is a bad thing, and that's going to affect my sleep. It's going to affect my cycle. So.

Brad Crowell 17:46  

If all this is foreign language to you, we definitely encourage you to connect with Femgevity who has been helping Lesley really wrap her head around all this stuff and understand it for her body. 

Lesley Logan 17:56  

You can go to beitpod.com/femgevity. 

Brad Crowell 17:59  

Yeah. F-E-M Femgevity. 

Lesley Logan 18:01  

Jan, you're brilliant. You gave us such an amazing look on fitness and perimenopause, and really great tips to just stay strong and stay with energy. And I'll also understand what's going on with our body and not see it as such a negative thing. Thank you so much, y'all. How are we going to use these tips in your life? We want to know, so make sure you can't tag Jan, because she's like, non-social, which I think, how cool is that?

Brad Crowell 18:24  

So cool. She's a professor. That's amazing. She also still teaches.

Lesley Logan 18:27  

She still teaches fitness, yeah, but tag the Be It Pod and then do me a favor, share this with a woman in your life. The thing that is so fascinating to me is that, how many women older than me did not have this information? And no, it wasn't out there. There wasn't a lot of research and we're doing more research now. But also, if we talk about this stuff, then it forces people, companies, other people, to find information for us. We get to demand what they talk about, by the way. So please share this with a friend so that we can change more women's lives and make going through perimenopause and endomenopause, and our years after that really thriving. It doesn't mean like it's bad. There's like, good stuff out there. So until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 18:32  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 18:43  

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Brad Crowell 19:51  

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Brad Crowell 20:01  

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Brad Crowell 20:11  

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Are you navigating the challenges of perimenopause and menopause? In this episode, Dr. Jan Schroeder, PhD, a fitness expert specializing in women’s health, reveals how to manage hormonal changes, maintain fitness, and stay empowered through menopause. Learn how to take control of your symptoms, prioritize bone and heart health, and embrace your body’s transition with confidence and grace.

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In this episode you will learn about:

• How hormonal changes affect fitness during perimenopause and menopause.
• Why adjusting cardio workouts can help reduce weight gain and cortisol levels.
• The critical importance of heart health and bone health for women in menopause.
• Managing menopause symptoms like hot flashes, brain fog, and sleep issues with exercise.
• Why strength training and shorter, more focused workouts are key to maintaining fitness.

Episode References/Links:

• Jan Schroeder Website
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Guest Bio:

Dr. Jan Schroeder is a professor and past Chair of the Department of Kinesiology at Long Beach State University. She coordinates and teaches in the Fitness and Integrated Training Bachelor of Science degree program and has authored over 60+ articles in the area of exercise physiology and fitness. She also owns Garage Girls Fitness, an in-person and online training company focused on group exercise and health and wellness education for women. In 2021, she was named the IDEA Fitness Leader of the Year. Her areas of expertise include older adults, women experiencing the menopausal transition, as well as fitness trends and programming.

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Episode Transcript:

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 0:00  

The media around menopause so oftentimes is negative that it doesn't focus on the positive aspects of menopause, like, thank God I no longer have a freaking period. I mean, that's a huge positive. I just sometimes think that the media focuses on all the big changes that can affect us. But they don't focus on, hey, this is just part of life. This is natural. This is not a big deal. We can make it better. 

Lesley Logan 0:21  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Ladies, this is the episode you have been asking me for. This is the one I have been hearing from you. I already say this when we get to Jan, but I just want you to know. I want you to be excited. I love this interview. I know I love them all. I do. But I love this interview. Shout out to my friend Michelle Sims, who introduced me to Jan Schroeder, our guest today. We are talking perimenopause, menopause and fitness. And I am so, so excited for this, because in being until we see it, when our hormones change, it can be freaking annoying. It can be very difficult. It's a big change. There's a lot you'll learn about yourself. And so what I love is we are now armed with some information, how to listen to our bodies and what our workouts need to look like. And you are going to love this, and it is positive and exciting, and there's not doom and gloom when it comes to perimenopause in this episode. So I cannot wait for you to get this information in your ears. Here is Jan Schroeder. 

All right, Be It babe. You asked a lot. I heard you. I told you to be patient. I know patience is not for many of us, but also especially when you want to know about perimenopause. So today's guest is Jan Schroeder. She's amazing. She's a dear friend of one of my friends, and so I'm so glad when the world's collided and we can talk today. Jan, will you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 2:16  

Of course. Well, first of all, Lesley, thank you so much for having me on because this is a topic that I love talking about. My name is Dr. Jan Schroeder. I am a professor at Long Beach State University. I am the coordinator for our Bachelor's of Science degree in fitness. We are one of the only universities in the country that has a degree in fitness. So we really focus on training students to go into the fitness industry, which is, I love it, because I developed the degrees.

Lesley Logan 2:47  

That's a degree I needed, and I went to college down the street. I should have gone there. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 2:51  

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Most of, most universities have an exercise science degree, which is more of a clinical track. You know that students want to go into physical therapy or occupational therapy, but we focus on, let's get them into the industry and teach them how to work with clients, and all of that. The science plus the art of the industry. 

Lesley Logan 3:12  

Yeah, because working with humans is a whole, I've been teaching Pilates for 16 years, and I'm often a client of a personal trainer or something. I was telling this to my, those in my mentorship today, they're complaining. They said one of their clients is like, complain about being uncomfortable. And I said, Well, change is uncomfortable, and sometimes we have to be honest with people. So there's a difference between pain and discomfort. And I said I had a trainer called me out because I had fractured my tibial plateau, non-surgical, but I was off it for eight weeks, and so I'm starting to squat and lunge again, and I was immediately like, ow, can't do it, it hurts. And he, the first couple of times, changed the exercise, and then one day he's like, so Is it painful, or is it hard? I was like, oh, noted, and that's like long story to talk about your thing, like the art of working with people.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 4:06  

Exactly. But it's also what makes it fun. You know? 

Lesley Logan 4:11  

Never a dull day. So okay, but that means you've been doing this for like, your whole life? 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 4:18  

Yeah, yes, yes, and we just won't say how long that's been. It's, yeah, I've been in academia for a very long time, but I'm also in the industry. So I teach group exercise. I have my own business that deals with women who are going through the, you know, menopause and beyond. That's a clientele that I love. I love, love, love working with these women, because it's such a unique transition in our life, not just what's going on physiologically, but what's going on socially and psychologically, that it just is exciting. And I find that these women that I work with, they want to know the education behind it. Instead of just, just tell me what to do so I look better, it's now it moves beyond that, tell me what to do and why to do it so that I feel better.

Lesley Logan 5:14  

Yeah, I agree. I was telling my team. I was like, OPC is not for the 20-something who needs a burn. This is for the woman who's like she is, she's done on things. She's not, she knows what working out means. She knows she has to do it. She wants to feel seen and supported, and she wants it to make to be amazing in a few minutes she has for the day and like, that is who this is for. But she wants to know how it's working. But I think you know when you're younger, you can get away with, like, not knowing. You could just do anything. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 5:41  

Yeah, exactly.

Lesley Logan 5:44  

You do get to a point especially, it's also very interesting. I think it really, I don't know, maybe doesn't suck because it's not doom and gloom. But it's interesting that at the point that our bodies are changing is also often, for many women, the point when they have time to think about their bodies and why it changed. So then it's almost like they don't have a baseline to kind of go off of. I don't know. Maybe that's just like something I've noticed. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 6:06  

Yeah, and I well, and I also think the, I don't want to call it, I don't know, I'll call it the press, the media, around menopause, so oftentimes is negative that it doesn't focus on the positive aspects of menopause, like, thank God I no longer have a freaking period, you know? I mean, that's a huge positive. I can't get pregnant. That's a good thing. I just sometimes think that the media focuses on all the big changes that can affect us, but they don't focus on, you know, hey, this is just part of life. This is natural. This is not a big deal. We can make it better. 

Lesley Logan 6:49  

Yeah, I think you're right. First of all, I rarely heard a, I would call when I was younger, they called like, the change. And like, it was a little hush, and you just see grandma, like, just fanning, you know, and you're freezing. And so just very specific examples, and then it's you're on the other side. But no one actually, like, talked about it and I feel what's really cool for me, I'm 41, and I have most of my friends are over 45 there are in their early 50s, and so they are telling me all the things are going through, and they are also telling me, like, hey, I wish I'd done this in my 40s. It would have made my whole life a whole lot easier. And so since you are in fitness, like, our fitness does change, especially when we're in the change. So can we talk a little bit about perimenopause, fitness versus menopause? Like, what happen? Do we get to work out easier (inaudible)?

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 7:41  

Well, it's, you know, with what our body's going through. So if you think about our physiology, we really peak for our strength, our cardio, respiratory fitness, our range of motion, so our flexibility. We peak in our 20s, which is pretty young to be. 

Lesley Logan 8:00  

Why do we waste the peak on the 20 year old? She doesn't even know what she wants. She thinks she does, but we all know when we look back.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 8:08  

Exactly. So then once we you know, we get past that, late 20s, early 30s, where, okay, now things are a little bit different. And you hear women go, oh yeah, I can't just go run five miles and lose 10 pounds. It's those sorts of things. So what's happening in the body is there's a lot of physiological changes that happen with aging. So just real quickly, my area of expertise, my PhD, is in exercise physiology, with a concentration in gerontology, so with the older adult, so studying how we possibly will decline in our physiology, it's not something that we can stop. We're all aging, but we can make it so we delay it. If you're an elite athlete when you were younger, you're going to see declines. If you didn't exercise, and you start exercising later in life, you may be in the best shape of your entire life because you got stronger, you got fitter, you know. So it's everybody's a little bit different, but with fitness, it does not need to decline, like people think it does, but we also have to take into account, okay, it may be harder to maintain that really elite level of fitness that some people enjoyed, maybe they were an athlete or a fitness competitor or something like that. That's hard to maintain as we get older, to have really good fitness level, not as hard to maintain. So does that make sense? 

Lesley Logan 9:46  

Yeah, I think I'm with you. People have told me, like, oh, after 30 you're not getting any muscle, and there's all this more doom and gloom. It's like, then what's the point? My dad is 72, the time we're recording this, and he deadlifts almost 300 pounds, he back squats almost 300 pounds, and he benches over 200 and he is 72 and yes, he's not having huge gains whenever we do one rep max is like, it's not like 15, 20 pounds difference, but he's actually getting stronger. It's kind of amazing. So, yeah, it's, I see what you're saying. It's very cool. We have to just have expectations. Like I'm I used to run seven-minute miles. I no longer do.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 10:25  

And do you want to? 

Lesley Logan 10:27  

You know, I don't. Actually once I, here's the thing I noticed that perimenopause, and we'll get there, ladies,but like once I started working out, based on my cycle, I got this app, but it told me, like today, do higher volumes. This is what it looks like, if it's cardio, this is what it looks like when it's strength training. I feel so much better than when I worked out the exact same every single day of every single week, right? Just but me, you know, I again. I'm older now, so my body needs.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 10:54  

Yeah. So it's, you know, with working out, as we go through this change, our hormones change, and that affects how we should work out for whatever particular goal it is. So I always talk to my clients about when they're going through this, we want to hit three areas. We need to worry about the symptoms. Maybe you have hot flashes, or maybe you can't sleep, or maybe you have that brain fog or some cognitive difficulties during this. These are all typical symptoms of menopause. So we need to work out to make sure that we're addressing those symptoms, and that's usually what women focus on. I want the symptoms gone, and especially like weight gain. That's a huge thing, because we tend to gain weight around the middle during this time period. But I also have to explain to them, okay, that's fantastic, and we are going to get there. We are going to do that. We're going to work on providing exercises and exercise routines that hope to minimize the symptoms, but we also have to work on our heart health, because as soon as we go through menopause and we lose our estrogen, our risk of heart disease increases dramatically, about five times. 

Lesley Logan 12:15  

I heard that the other day, and I was like, oh, because you know, like, you're, I'm like, okay, how do we prolong? How do I get menopause (inaudible) I'll have my (inaudible) in my 60s. I'm sorry, I shouldn't beg for it to go away. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 12:28  

Yeah, exactly. And the problem is with heart we don't think about it as women. The men have the heart disease. The men have heart attacks. Well, we get right up there with them, the same risk factor, and we do it really quickly. And the scary thing is, is that we don't recognize the signs of heart disease and heart attacks in women, because they're slightly different than men. But not only do we have to worry about heart health, we have to worry about our bones because you break a bone and it's not great. 

Lesley Logan 12:57  

Yeah, I know. Everyone listening, whenever I teach on tour, whenever I can, I teach this one Pilates marching exercise. It's a standing marching thing, and I would make my 80-year-old client do it all the time, and she came twice a week, and she and she hated it. She rolled her eyes, and she's like, why am I doing this? And I'm like, to be honest, it's because if you fall and break a bone, that's kind of it for you. Like, that's the end. I'm just gonna be, it comes with risk, it's just like, it's a downward spiral. And she was like, you know, whatever, that day she went to Rodeo Drive. So I taught in L.A., she went to Rodeo Drive, and she had her phone in one hand and her purse in the other, and she was walking down those rounded Roman type steps, and she missed one, and her body did the marching thing where it picked its legs up, and she basically ran down the stairs. She did not fall, she did not break anything. And she said, do I have to do it every day? I'm like, yeah. And then I was like, thank God it worked. Yeah, but it's true. Like, it really is. It's a bad thing. So okay, we've heard about bones. We've heard about our heart, and that's like, so yes, we, yes, in perimenopause, a lot of women are like, I would like to not have this. My body is changing, my clothes don't fit, but you're saying we need to have, we have other focuses that are more important.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 14:12  

Well, and I'm not saying symptom relief is not important, because it really is. If you have one through menopause, those hot flashes are brutal. They are brutal. A friend of mine explained it to me as she said, my body is internally combusting. And I'm like, yes, that is it. Because it's not like you're hot from being out in the sun, you are on fire. And if we can reduce the severity of that through activity, that's fantastic. If we can improve sleep, which is critical in this stage of our lives through exercise, that is important. So all three areas we gotta kind of keep in the back of her mind of I need to work on my heart, I need to work on my bones, but I also want symptom relief. 

Lesley Logan 15:05  

Okay. Yeah. And we can do that through fitness? Because that's, okay, hold on, you have to tell me. Because when I read something, it was like, well, the workouts you can do, it almost seemed like baby workout. I was like, this is not gonna work for me. I already work out like, this is that's great if you've never done it, and I'm glad that there's something out there, but like this, I'm not just going to do a little bridge and hope it helps.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 15:26  

Exactly, yeah, it's, you know, for those of us who've worked out all of our lives, one, we're a little bit better off in menopause than somebody who starts later. So, if you're, you know, for your listeners, if they're in their late 30s, early 40s, they gotta get on it. They gotta get that regular exercise program going. Because what the research shows is that women who have been active are better at keeping off the weight gain that we see, especially the weight gain around the belly, our bones are better. Our heart disease risk is lower. Symptoms tend to be less severe if we work out prior. You know, if we've, so, continue to work out. That's a good thing. 

Lesley Logan 16:13  

My ladies who are in that age range, I don't care if you've got kiddos, busy life, this is the time. So yeah.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 16:19  

But if we start working out later in life, doesn't mean that, oh well, I'm not going to have those benefits. Yes, you will, I promise you will. 

Lesley Logan 16:26  

Yeah, good, yeah. So that's not that it's ever too late. It's just that there are some signs that, an evidence that it could be easier if, if you have the option to start, do it. Okay. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 16:37  

Right. Yeah. And then for those of us who have worked out consistently. I typically work out 14, 15 hours a week. But, I mean, I'm in the industry. I've always been active, those sorts of things. I can't slack off on that. So what we find is that when we go through menopause, we start to reduce our activity level. We reduce our exercise level. We reduce our what we call spontaneous physical activity. You know, where you're up and cleaning the house, or you're up and gardening or whatever, we reduce that by almost 40%. 

Lesley Logan 17:16  

Oh, that's going to be, you're gonna start seeing changes everywhere, inside and out, because that's a huge, that's not a little bit, that's a lot. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 17:25  

That is a lot and we might not even realize that we're doing it. So you know, keeping a fitness tracker that is letting you know how many steps you get into the day, or keeping a fitness journal where you're jotting down what did I do today? How often did I sit today becomes really important because, you know, a client sometimes will say to me, Jan, I'm doing all the workouts that you've prescribed, but it's not working. And I say to them, what are you doing in the other 23 hours of the day? You know, and that helps them to go, oh, oh, okay, I understand that. And here's the thing, I don't want to blame women for doing that, because that is dictated by estrogen. When we lose estrogen in our brain, so estrogen affects all different tissues in the body. So when we start to lose estrogen, it affects our brain, specifically the hypothalamus. And the hypothalamus is responsible for how much food you eat, how much energy you expend, and when we take estrogen away through menopause, what the brain does is that hypothalamus can't regulate that anymore. We tend to eat more. We tend to move less. 

Lesley Logan 18:44  

Okay, this is, so it's not a willpower thing. It's like biological and so we have to be conscious about getting up then having that spontaneous movement or tracking things to make sure that whatever, not whatever you were doing before it, but like, just that so you're not doing a 40% drop like you're, 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 19:02  

Correct. 

Lesley Logan 19:02  

That's so huge, you know.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 19:04  

It is. And I find that women all the time, they just go, it's my fault. It is not your fault. It is physiology. It is biological that your brain is putting you into this pattern. And so we just have to be extra aware of what we're doing. 

Lesley Logan 19:25  

Yeah, yeah, intentional. So, okay, so if we are in the perimenopause, so the women who have not had that one year, no cycle, you know? And that's, it's like, it's like a moment that you're menopause, it's so confusing. One day and that's it. And you can be in perimenopause for years. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 19:48  

Yeah, years. You can be in perimenopause for up to a decade. 

Lesley Logan 19:53  

Yeah. Fun. One of my girlfriend says, I'm having hot flashes for her birthday. So enter these inserts that go in your bra. They're from the freezer, and you can stick them in your bra. And she loves them. I was like, I think that would be so hard to put in my bra one day, but I don't have hot flashes. So how should they be thinking about their working out in the perimenopause years? 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 20:17  

Okay, so a big thing with this working out is a lot of us who are going through menopause right now, we grew up in the 70s and the 80s, and cardio was king. You did high intensity cardio. You did tons of cardio. 

Lesley Logan 20:34  

I did step classes as a teenager. I was, my mom, I would have step class, Jazzercise. Hello. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 20:41  

Exactly. So cardio is, I should say cardio is queen, type of thing, but with it, a lot of times during this stage of our life, we need to actually back off on cardio. And the reason for it is because of our cortisol levels. So cortisol, they call it the stress hormone, and it can lead to weight gain. So cortisol is really, really important in the body, and it gets a lot of bad press, but it's a good hormone. It's that fight or flight hormone, and we naturally have a high and a low during our day with cortisol. We are naturally high in the morning, so that promotes alertness, and it helps us wake up and get our day going. And then throughout the day, cortisol is going to drop. So at night, we want our cortisol low so that we can sleep, otherwise it interferes with our melatonin and a bunch of other hormones. So that's what we want to have happen. But during this phase of our life, a lot of us are working, children, aging parents, you know, maybe financial stress, whatever it is, we have a lot of stressors going on. And when we have stress, cortisol comes up high, and it stays high. That's not good for our body. We are in this constant state of what do I do, where do I go? How do I solve this? As opposed to having a natural high and a natural low. So when we hold on to that cortisol, what it does is it increases our food cravings and it increases belly fat. So exercise is a stress. It is a stressor, but it's a oh, we peak and then we come down. So cortisol comes up while we're exercising, comes down. But if we are stressed, hot flashes are killing us, you know, I'm forgetful, I'm not sleeping, our cortisol level is high, and if we do a lot of cardio on top of that, we're going to really spike, which then can lead to additional issues. So a big thing in this phase is, if you are feeling those symptoms and you're feeling episodic stress or chronic stress, then we need to take that cardio down short bursts. So like a hit training, where you have a high and then a rest period, high and a rest period, but that activity is short, as opposed to doing these long duration exercises that maybe you know you've been used to you might do an hour, hour and a half. We need to cut those down to less than 40 minutes, to help control the cortisol levels. And that is probably the biggest thing I can suggest to women, because they say I gotta do cardio to lose weight, but the cardio could be making you gain weight. 

Lesley Logan 23:40  

Oh, thank you for sharing this, because it is something that I've been really trying to help because I was a runner. I was a professional, so I ran all the time. And, you know, definitely in my 20s, like I was my leanest when I was running, I still run. I run very differently now, because it's not actually the same, because I run my own business. So there are stressful moments, and then, you know, I can tell, like, if I've run during certain times of my month, because I still have my cycle, it actually makes me feel worse, because I'm, you know, like I got, like it's a whole thing. So I have, I definitely have been trying to change how I see cardio, but also I've been trying to help people and women say, like, you don't have to do these hour-long like, kill yourself at the gym workouts to get results, you can do a lot in a little bit of time. I love that you're saying this. Like, that's hard for the hour-long session people, but like, we've it's because we pay people by the hour. I'm convinced that's why hour-long classes exist. But you know, like, we can give ourselves permission to stretch. You know, take some time to bring that down, instead of being at the gym doing cardio for an hour or some sort of like jazzercise class for 50 minutes. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 24:51  

Yeah. So I own a website where I have in-person clients. I have on-demand classes, and most of my classes are 30 to 40 minutes, and I would get the question, why don't you have hour classes? And I'm like, Well, let's talk about hormones. And once you educate women and you give them the permission that it doesn't need to be an hour, then it just is like, oh. Because of all those stresses, you gotta get the kids to baseball practice or or gymnastics, or whatever it may be. And we're tide crunched, and you're, you may be working as well. Half an hour. Awesome. Beautiful. You know? Yeah, and the other important one on especially cardio and resistance training is the timing of them becomes important as well, that ideally, during this time period, we would love to see you working out in the morning, and that's challenging. I get it because I'm teaching at the university in the morning, but when we work out at night, our cortisol levels are going to spike because the exercise this is exact opposite of what we want to have happen, because we want the cortisol levels to drop so that we can have restful sleep. And that's a challenge. 

Lesley Logan 26:14  

It is a challenge. My husband's going to listen to this. We're going to talk about it, and we work out from 6pm to like five and sometimes 4:30 and I am like, I wish you were a morning workout (inaudible). So just see, hear this babe. He wouldn't, when I say morning, my morning is like 6am but I would love 10. Okay, so we talked about the workouts for before peri, then peri, and once we're there, we obviously worry about our heart, but like, what are some working outs that? Is the workout still 40 minutes or? 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 26:51  

Yeah, because as we grow older, both men and women, our cortisol levels tend to rise. It's just natural. It's not something you can stop. So ideally, yeah, we still want to keep those workouts to 40 minutes or less, but now, if you're not stressed and you don't have any of the you're sleeping like a baby, you can go and do your two-hour workout. That's fine. If you start to see changes in your body or that's not working for you anymore, then you need to modify. So I don't want to discourage anyone from working those longer endurance sessions, but if you're not seeing what you expect to see, then we can modify and maybe take it down. 

Lesley Logan 27:38  

Yeah, that's cool. So often people will then blame the food or the other things. And we're not often looking at the thing if they were doing the gym, that could actually be causing not the results we're looking for. Yeah.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 27:51  

Yeah, as we say in menopause, and I use that as, from peri to post, we have to focus on three things, the exercise, the nutritional environment. What are we doing? We might not be able to do the same thing that we did when we were in our 20s. And then our hormonal environment. Those three work together to protect the heart. They work together for symptom management, and they work together for our bones. So if you just do one, if you only do exercise, it's not going to work. If you only watch what you eat, it's not going to work. If you ignore your hormonal environment, it's not going to work.

Lesley Logan 28:31  

Good luck. We had on a female telemedicine, and I was like, you know, I've had years of low testosterone, and everyone is just like, you need to lift heavy weights. And I'm like, I do. I lift as heavy as I could hold on to in this moment, I am aware I bought it. I'm not the girl who doesn't pick up the big weight like I am bought in. It is not going up. And so I finally had someone listen to me, and holy freaking moly, guys, find someone. I am loving life. This is amazing. Just a little bit of, a little bit, I'm like, I actually, like, I have, I have awareness. And my point is, like, we don't have to suffer with the hormones because we're changing. There are ways of helping your hormonal environment. And one way I heard about hormone therapy, that was a really great way of thinking about it is, it's so you don't feel like you dropped off a cliff. Yep, you're not replacing what you're losing. It's making it so that it's not, it's a slower, it's a slow downhill. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 29:31  

Yeah, exactly, yeah. And I am all for bio-identical hormones. They make a big difference. Now some women cannot take them. I took them for probably four or five years. I was diagnosed with breast cancer, so I had to come off everything except testosterone. I was allowed to stay on testosterone, and I agree with you, it is, it makes a world of difference, the brain fog lifts, the belly fat decreases, sexual desire goes up, there's all these benefits. Your bone density can even improve, but it's definitely a personal decision that that female has to talk with about, you know, with their clinician. But I mean, science has come a long way. It's not like it was back when our moms were going through menopause, and they were taking hormone replacement therapy that might not have been the best for them. 

Lesley Logan 30:28  

I know. Have you? Have you read the book Eve? 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 30:31  

No. 

Lesley Logan 30:31  

Okay, all right, I just keep asking any amazing woman if they have because maybe they know her. It's me trying to get Cat Bohannon on this show. So, she talked about in her book, you would nerd out about it, by the way, it's about the evolution of female mammalian bodies, and each chapter is a different Eve on different body parts, and one of them's perception. It's a very cool chapter about how we can hear better than men and all these things. But it's true, the dosing on medicines are not usually tested on women ever, and so Ambien is like, the reason why women are, like, wandering around. (inaudible) So it is true, like we are very lucky to be in today's world of, like, what they are doing, and it's only going to get better. But I think what's really cool, and why I wanted to have someone like you on the show is that women are actually talking about perimenopause and menopause now, and we're talking about it in a way so that everyone around us can understand it. Because it's not just for us ladies to understand who are listening, but also the people in your lives, men and women and children, because you are going to be different. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 31:35  

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 

Lesley Logan 31:38  

And so it's important for them to, they, I feel like the more educated everyone is on the topic, the better circumstances and environments we can put into place for ourselves. You know? 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 31:49  

Yeah, I 100% agree, because we need the support of those around us. And I get where it's hard for a male to understand what you're going through, but we need to be able to help them understand, so that they can be supportive. 

Lesley Logan 32:05  

Yeah, yeah. And I think not just in perimenopause, but that's kind of like all things like, the more that everyone is on understanding what your goals are, the easier it is for you to get where those are. You're so cool. Okay, so what are you most excited about right now, Jan? 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 32:19  

I'm really, again, a nerd out here, I am so excited about all the new research that's coming through, because, as you said, medications are tested on men. Well, exercise programs are tested on men in research, and now we are finally getting the research on women in perimenopause, on women in menopause with exercise programs in the different formats. And I am just, as opposed to just walking programs. And so, you know, heavy lifting, which we know is, I mean, that is just key to, one, esthetically look good. Two, to be able to perform all your activities of daily living, and it's the thing that's going to protect your bones. So we are now getting that research, and that, to me, is just like, oh, thank God, you know, because I've lectured for years and presented around the world on this type of things, and when it comes to the exercise programs, it's like, well, this is what was done with men. Well, this is done with college-age women, because they're the easiest people to get as subjects. And now we can actually say, okay, you know what those high intensity, long duration cardio sessions not working. We can say that now and that, I just love that, because it gives us a place to go. 

Lesley Logan 33:45  

Yeah, yeah. It's not just, like, a feeling or like, oh, I've noticed in my own experiences, like, actually, there's research. And now it's not just, like, in this one example. I'm excited about that too, because it's yeah, it's, you know, every workout program I've ever done, I'm like, how, who is this is for? Like, how do we how are we doing that? And then you're like, okay, now I gotta find the female trainer over 40, and I'm gonna do her workout, which is great for her. But like, how do we know, you know what, it's, I want more information. We can have that we can arm people with information, and they can make the best decision for what their life is and what's wrong with them. And I think that we're not guessing, and that's really cool. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 34:20  

Yeah, because with menopause in general, you know every client is unique of what their past experiences are, in activity, in their nutritional behavior. Every woman is unique when they go through menopause, some glide through with like they're just sailing through. Others are having some pretty severe symptoms. And so the exercise design can't be the same. You have to look at what is going on, you know, if I'm really stressed, then maybe I should be doing some more mind-body type activities to bring my stress level down. If I'm sailing through I can keep doing what I've been doing for years until something changes.

Lesley Logan 35:03  

Yeah, yeah. I think it's, I just love that so much. I really, really do, and this is really exciting. I will have to keep talking with you as more research comes out, as you're willing to share. But it's been great. We're gonna take a brief break, and then we're gonna find out where people can find you, follow you, work with you. 

All right, Jan, where do you hang out? Where can people stalk you? Because I have a feeling we've got some ladies who are like, I want to work out with this lady. She gets me. 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 35:29  

Well, I am in California. I'm in Southern California, and I'm in the Huntington Beach area, but I do have a website where it is education in this area, as well as on-demand workouts that can be put together. So that's at garagegirlsfit.com. I'm not a big social media person. It drives me. I just think it's a time waste, and I'm like, I'm too busy. I got other things I got to do, so I'm not really on social media that much. Just for my mom and dad to see their grandson.

Lesley Logan 36:04  

So many people, so jealous of you, including me, like I said before we hit record, like, amazing that you can if it's proof that you can do what you love, and you can do it without having to be on social. So I love that. You've given us so much already, but before I let you go for my perfectionist overachievers, my hold on, I love you so much, but what do I do right now? The bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted steps people can take to be it till they see it. What do you have for us? 

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 36:28  

I think one of the things is, is you need to give yourself permission to back down, to, you know, when we're thinking about our workouts, it doesn't need to be here. We can be here and actually get greater benefits, but you gotta give yourself permission that that's okay, and you need to possibly try new things in exercise. So maybe you were a runner, but that's too intense right now, so maybe you back it down to walking with a weight vest. Those sorts of things. We don't always have to be at our highest level to be at our best self. So a lot of times we need to drop things down. And believe me, I am type A, all the way. 

Lesley Logan 37:13  

I have a fitness instructor who isn't.

Jan Schroeder, PhD. 37:16  

Exactly and even you know, I have to remind myself, I need to back down because of what I'm feeling, and we have to be in tune with what we're feeling and be honest that I don't like to say when I'm stressed, but I occasionally, or either myself or my husband, go, Jan, you gotta bring it down. And that's when I go, okay, I need to drop down my workouts, and it's okay. And what I find is that I actually feel better at that particular moment. We just have to give ourselves permission to say, I don't have to be high-intensity, excelling at everything all the time.

Lesley Logan 37:58  

I really love what you said. You guys have to rewind. It has to be a quote. It needs to be knitted on a, stitched on a pillow. My knitters, you gotta put this in. I don't have to be up here to be my best self, whatever you sound like. That is, oh, I'm gonna repeat that to myself every day until this comes out so I can hear it again. Beautiful and brilliant. And thank you for the permission, and thank you for the education. And I hope our paths cross so soon, because I would just love to meet you. You're so great, Jan. Everyone, how are you going to use the tips in your life? Do yourself a favor and send it to every female because no matter what stage in life, Jan gave her amazing education. The more we're armed with information, ladies, the better decision we can make about ourselves and our lives, and we get to make them for ourselves. And I think that is so cool. We don't have to do what our friends are doing because it works for them. We can actually go, this is what works for me, and I just love this so much. So Jan, thank you so much and everyone until next time, Be It Till You See It.

Lesley Logan 38:51  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 39:34  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 39:39  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 39:43  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 39:50  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 39:53  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

In this solo episode, Lesley reflects on the importance of giving yourself permission to slow down and feel your emotions, especially during tough times. She shares how she allowed herself to grieve after the loss of her mentor, Jay Grimes, and emphasizes celebrating even the smallest wins. Tune in to hear inspiring listener achievements and discover practical ways to balance speed with stillness in your own life.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Katie Donnelly overcoming self-doubt in launching her website.
• Allyn Wong taking time off and completing business tasks.
• Reflections on the loss of a mentor and creating space to grieve.
• Experiences and lessons learned from Jay Grimes about Pilates.

Episode References/Links:

• The Pilates Doula

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Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Brad Crowell 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:05  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Hi, Be It babe. Happy September. How are you? First Friday of September. What a fun day. I'm sure somewhere where you live, there might be a First Friday event. Have you seen those? They're really great ways to get in your community and get to know people. What is this episode about? Well, this is the FYF, meaning, Fuck Yeah, Friday meaning, let's celebrate some wins along the way. So can you celebrate a win when you complete a project? Absolutely, you may even hear me say that. Can you celebrate a win that's just like a moment of oh my god, that actually went really, really well? Yes, you can. And that's what we talk about a lot. So I share wins of yours that you send me, and I share a win of mine, and I leave you with a fun little mantra. So let's get into it. 

Our first FYF is from Katie Donnelly. Okay, I had a lot of fear stepping into this title. All my greatest hits of who am I to claim this title? I don't know enough, what if I'm seen as wrong, but I took the first step and check it out. Katie Donnelly has launched the website, thepilatesdoula.com. Congratulations, Katie, and thank you for sharing those greatest hits because it definitely makes all of us like, do you do that listener? Like, my love, do you ever go like, who am I? I shouldn't be doing this. Someone else should be doing this. Oh, like, we're looking for permission to be amazing when you already are. And Katie Donnelly is amazing. She actually did a wonderful workshop for us over on onlinepilatesclasses.com which is a pre and postnatal workshop. And, holy moly, I'm not someone who's having children in my life, but I am making every one of my friends who's getting pregnant watch that course. So it's wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Thank you, Katie, for letting us celebrate this big moment with you. And also, you guys, just want to say, I checked out her website. Okay? And just two days before (inaudible) she bought the URL. So the website right now is just a website with just a beautiful picture and ways to get in touch with her. You don't have to complete everything to the perfect degree to celebrate the win. You can actually celebrate that you just got the first step done or the second step done. So thank you, Katie, for being an example of that. 

Allyn Wong said I took, nobody's around, hahaha, two days off from teaching this week, and created a welcome automation email via MailChimp. This is hard for me, so I'm glad it's done and I'm looking forward to seeing if it makes a difference regarding engagement. I also made a Kuna Board and a Gondola poll, posted three times on Insta, got my studio ceiling repainted after it leaked last week, created and ordered new business cards and postcards to put around town, planned a new cola with a pelvic floor P.T. for September, October. I mean, my goodness, so I just want to say, like, I love she took two days off, and it's because, right now it's summer, and so she didn't have any clients. But you can look at us like no one's here or you can actually look what you can get done and, holy moly, look at all these different wins she had. I really love that you celebrated all of these things, big and small, the automation welcome series is so much work and so much tech, but you also did some fun, creative stuff, and you got out into the community. Just truly amazing. Allyn, thank you so much for sharing these with us. 

All right, my win, this is gonna feel like a really, a really weird win. I'm just sharing with you now, because I've been traveling, and so I was recorded ahead of time, but on July 29th my mentor passed away. I'm gonna try not to cry. I can do this. And I knew he was sick and I was able to see him in April, Brad and I were able to make it happen on a long way home. So from Arizona, we went to L.A. to get to Vegas. But, I got to see him. We got to spend some hours with him, which was just beautiful. But I normally am someone who's like, well, gotta keep going. Gotta, like, normally, I should say, years ago, it's been a while since someone passed, but like, just, would have just tried to get through the whole day, and instead, I actually decided to feel my feelings and take things off my plate. So I still did some work, mostly out of distraction, but I allowed myself to feel my feelings and share how I was feeling and connect with other people who got to learn from him. Jay Grimes is a very special person. And for years, I felt so honored and lucky and blessed, and sometimes wondered how I got to train with him, and I no longer think any of those things. I actually know I got to train with him because I put the work in to train with him. He also is someone who was a man of few words but the words that he did say were really impactful and really important. And so I actually spent the day sharing stories with different friends, remembering them with him. And I've actually still been I've been doing that the last month since then, just as I remember people, I remember something I've been doing that. And you're like, what is the win? The win is in creating a business and a life and a schedule for myself that allowed me to feel the feelings I need to feel, and take the break that I needed to take. And yes, the show had to go on the next day, and I had to do some things. And grief isn't linear, so I'm not, I don't think I'll ever be over it, but I am very, I'm very grateful, and it is a win that I was able to take that time. And so if you are going through a loss, or if something comes up, or you get information that kind of throws a wrench in your day, giving yourself permission to fill your feelings is a win, right? So I thought I would share a really fun story about Jay with you, because you gotta (inaudible) the game. So first of all, one of his, one of my, I have so many favorite sayings from him, but one of them is, "We don't change the work. The work changes us." And another one is, "You do Pilates because you love your body, not because you hate it." I really loved how he allowed everybody to do Pilates, and he knew that everybody can have access to it, and the more they love themselves, the more they're curious in it, the more that Pilates practice would be there. So I just love that. But here's a funny story. So he would say, if you don't like an exercise, then you have to do it twice. That's because you need it. And he said it all the time. But I was in the program with him, so that the, towards the end of 2016, and it was the last weekend of of workshops of the program and so we'd all been quite cozy and fun and whatever. And so he had mentioned that if someone doesn't like an exercise, it's because they need it, so they're going to do it twice. And so, like, I don't know, 20 minutes later, not even that much longer, but it was far enough away, but he didn't realize he was saying, we're on the line rail. And (inaudible) came up and was like, oh, I hate that exercise. And I was like, oh, sounds like someone's got to do it twice. And he looked at me with that look only a parent could have, like, I can't believe you just said that to me right now, but also a smile on his face, like, and he said who let her in here? It was just a funny moment that I'll never forget, and I'm really grateful for that. So, my love, if you've got something going on, give yourself permission to take something off your plate and then celebrate that you did that. That's a win. 

All right, your mantra for today, because I don't plan a mantra ahead of time. I just pick one. I do not rush through my life, I temper speed with stillness. Oh, that's so perfect. I do not rush through my life, I temper speed with stillness. Say it with me. I do not rush through my life, I temper speed with stillness. My love. No more rushing. Temper your speed with stillness. And thank you so much. Please send your wins in so we can celebrate you on our next FYF and until next time, Be It Till You See It.

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 8:56  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 9:01  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 9:05  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 9:12  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 9:15  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Overwhelmed and constantly putting others first? Lesley and Brad recap the conversation with Board Certified Clinical Pharmacist and wellness coach Whitney Prude. Discover how stress and unresolved emotional issues can impact your health, and learn practical strategies for shifting your mindset, prioritizing self-care, avoiding burnout, and embracing self-love.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How to recognize and manage stress before it leads to burnout.
• Why prioritizing self-care is essential to serving others effectively.
• How unresolved trauma can manifest as physical health problems.
• Why internal motivation is more sustainable than external goals. 
• The importance of leaning into discomfort for personal progress.
• The long-term benefits of embracing self-love and putting yourself first.

Episode References/Links:

• Whitney Prude Website
• eLevate Mentorship Program
• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat
• Try Out OPC $40 for 40 Days
• Pilates Studio Growth Accelerator
• Lesley's 15 Minute Pilates Ball Workout
• Pilates Teaching by Rachel Piper
• Ep. 337 with Ashley Black
• FasciaBlaster (Ashley Black)

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• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

I think that it is wrong to put everybody above you, because you ultimately will run out of energy, love, generosity, health, to take care of those people you so care about. So I firmly believe it is absolutely imperative that you actually take time for you every day so that you can give so generously. I think it's the greatest form of generosity to others is to take care of you. 

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started. 

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap, where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the liberating convo I had with Whitney Prude in our last episode. If you haven't yet  listened to that interview, feel free to pause this now go back and listen that one, and then come back and join us. You guys, today is September 5th and it is National Cellulite Day. It's also a few other things. It could also be National Be Late Day. It's also International Charity Day. But we had an episode that goes with this, so I thought it would be really fun to talk about it. So history of National Cellulite Day. Let us tell you a fact, if you're a female and you're reading this, chances are you have cellulite. And you know what? There's nothing to be ashamed of or embarrassed about cellulite, which can range from minor lumps to deep grooves, affects more than half the women you know. The goal of National Cellulite Day is to increase awareness about the fact that cellulite is natural and part of your beauty. If you’re still unsure what cellulite is, here’s a quick rundown: Cellulite is a completely harmless and a very very (we can’t emphasize this enough) common skin condition that causes lumpy, dimple flesh on our body. So it is more common in women, and can appear on the thighs, hips, abdomen and almost anywhere. So it is also caused by a buildup of fat beneath the skin. The amount of cellulite where it appears can differ from person to person. However, it's important to understand that cellulite can affect anyone, and some women are more prone than others. It can be determined by your genes, body fat percentage and age. We could go on, but I actually want you to go listen to episode 337, with Ashley Black, about the FasciaBlaster. She's incredible, actual peer-reviewed research and studies on. 

Brad Crowell 2:31  

She created the FasciaBlaster.

Lesley Logan 2:32  

Yes, she did, and she explains what her research has found about cellulite. And so if you are wanting to work with yours you can, because she's got some tools for that. So go listen to episode 337, and also just love your body along the way, right? I also just want to quote Jake Grimes would say, do Pilates because you love your body, not because you hate it. So if there are things you're wanting to do about the cellulite that you have do it because you love your body and not because you hate it. I think it can kind of all go in there. It's all part of the self-care. All right, we are quite busy. We're actually home for a bit, maybe, maybe. But I first as of right now when we're recording this, we are definitely home. And so at this moment, there's quite possibly might be some space in the 2024 eLevate. We've got some really fun stuff we're cooking up for the round five.

Brad Crowell 3:22  

2025. 

Lesley Logan 3:23  

Oh yeah, that's what your, next year it is, right? So 2025, there's no room in 2024, it's over. It ended. So if you are a Pilates instructor looking to dive in deeper into what you have learned and what you love, and learn what my teacher, Jay, and the teachers I've been so blessed to learn from taught me to really help elevate your practice, your teaching, your connection, the method, go to lesleylogan.co/elevate.

Brad Crowell 3:48  

Yeah. And then next year, February, come join us in Cambodia. We are taking a retreat the end of the month, and you can find out all the details at crowsnestretreats.com as you know, it's one of our favorite things to do, one of my favorite places to be.

Lesley Logan 4:03  

You guys, we do Pilates. We have five classes of Pilates. One of the eLevate girls told another eLevate girl here at the house, she's like, oh, I'm gonna be at the retreat. And she's like, oh, your practice is gonna change. It's insane. In just five classes, it just changes. So that's really fun. Also, on this February retreat, we have OPC members. We have some Be It Pod listeners, we have some eLevate members. There's some epic women who are signed up and I think someone signed.

Brad Crowell 4:25  

A lot of people coming as groups, coming as buddies. So traveling together, coming together, so it makes it a lot of fun to do that. So do that too. 

Lesley Logan 4:34  

Yeah, y'all can try out onlinepilatesclasses.com, so if you're like, oh, what's an OPC member? Well, that is what it is, onlinepilatesclasses.com. It is our on-demand Pilates classes. However, there is accountability, and there's community, and there's ability to get feedback on your form so you know you're doing it right. And this is you can do in addition to all the other things that you're doing, because Pilates really does make what you're doing better. So go to opc.me/40 to try us out for 40 days.

Brad Crowell 5:02  

Yeah, check that out. And I am hosting another webinar coming up for fitness business owners, mostly Pilates, because that's most of you, and it's free, and it's called the Pilates studio growth accelerator. So if you're feeling stuck with money in your business, whether you have one client and you're just getting started, or you have an entire team of teachers and you've got a studio that's been running for a long time, if you're feeling stuck with money, we're going to cover the three biggest secrets that we have seen after coaching more than 2000 businesses have come through Prfitable Pilates, and I want you to come join me. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot biz slash accelerator to sign up and join me. 

Lesley Logan 5:49  

All right, before we get into Whitney's amazing episode. Who is our question from this week? 

Brad Crowell 5:54  

Okay, we've got @tborgabor, tiborgabor6854 says, "Can you make a workout with a beach ball?"

Lesley Logan 6:04  

Yeah so this is really funny. We shared that we actually had a OPC workout with a squishy ball. And the class is called all beach, all ball, no beach, something like that. And so so meone's like, what can we do with a beach ball? And the truth is, I thought about it, and I was like, okay, can you do the beach ball? There's so many reasons why I wouldn't use a beach ball, and that is, one, they come in variety of sizes, if I recall. But also they are a little hard to like grip, and if we make it squishier, then I'm almost afraid that it won't have the sturdiness that the fitness balls have. 

Brad Crowell 6:39  

When you say squishy, you mean let some air out. 

Lesley Logan 6:41  

You let some air out. You let a little air out. You want to want to work with a deflated ball when you're doing Pilates. You don't want it to be perfectly taught. Then that way you can actually rest against it. It creates a little instability. So the beach ball is one bigger than what a fitness squishy ball is that I would use for Pilates. So it's already just like the wrong size. It's going to make most people's legs too wide. If they put it between their ankles, it's going to prop you up too much if behind your shoulders, it's going to lift your hips up in a way that I don't like. So yes, you could, but is that the best thing we could do? Like, when I think about a prop, you don't just use a prop to make things entertaining. You use a prop as a tool. That's how Joseph Pilates use props. It's like an accessory to an outfit, right? It's like, oh, this would make this better for you. This would actually put it all together. 

Brad Crowell 7:26  

Yeah, I think the squishiness of the secret for it, because with a beach ball, it doesn't have that give, it actually isn't squishy. And I'm not saying squishy deflated. You're supposed to deflate both. The beach ball doesn't have squishiness to it. So you just be putting it between your legs, like a block, you know. And as opposed to the workout ball, where there's give, and that creates that instability, like you're talking about,

Lesley Logan 7:52  

Yeah. And then the other last thing I just want to say, is, like, the only place you probably have a beach ball, aside from storage in your garage is at the beach, and Pilates on the sand is one of the most annoying things you'll ever do, because you are rolling around. You're kicking sand into your hair. You do a single-leg circle, you're whipping sand into your eyes, like we did this in Hawaii when we were doing our retreat. Our retreat was on grass, which also gorgeous in photos, but fucking flies, guys, there's bugs that fly around grass all the time. So we went down to the beach. Be like, oh, let's, like, do some mat work on the beach for photos, how fun. I had more sand in my hair than if I went into the water. So for all those reasons, it's a no for me, but you can take a ball workout from me on YouTube, and also, if you really like it. Rachel Piper, who's an OPC teacher for us, she uses a ball a lot in the workouts as a tool to help you connect more to the exercises. So hopefully that helps you. And if you want to nerd more about like, why would I use a prop? And what do you mean by entertaining? It's what we talk about in eLevate. All right.

Brad Crowell 8:57  

If you have a question for us and you want to ask it, feel free to text us at 310-905-5534, or hit us up on the gram or anywhere, and stick around. We'll be right back, because we're going to talk about Whitney Prude. 

All right, so now let's talk about Whitney Prude. Okay. Whitney Prude is a Board Certified Clinical Pharmacist, certified health and wellness coach and certified nutrition coach with an extensive experience working at the renowned Mayo Clinic, she specializes in helping others transform and prioritize their health through personalized coaching and comprehensive wellness programs. Drawing from her personal experience of overcoming an autoimmune disease, Whitney empowers her clients to achieve lasting physical and emotional well-being. This was a really interesting interview to me. I was trying to understand where she was going with like, how she got into what she was doing. At the beginning, she was really talking about overworking, overworking, overworking. And I was trying to understand, how did that end up putting her in this place where she is today? And. So it's a fascinating story. 

Lesley Logan 10:01  

Yeah, I think, like, what I like about her story is that here she is, she had a dream, she worked really hard, she got there, and then she kind of, her health, she sacrificed so much to get there that she didn't get to even enjoy it. And it had to lead her down another road where she is now, which I think, like, let's not take anyone's rock bottoms away. Like, obviously she loves what she's doing, and she wouldn't be doing this had this not happened. But also, there's a lot of people who can benefit from listening to this, so they don't lose out on the dream that they had to be a pharmacist at the Mayo Clinic, incredible, and could have been a wonderful life, but because she sacrificed so much of herself. She had to learn a pivot, and now she's helping people so maybe they don't have to do that. So that leads me into, of course, one of the things I love about her being on is, like she said, women often put ourselves last and leads to neglecting self-care. I literally have to remind people every single day, and then I get excuses in my DMs all the time, like, oh, Lesley, it must be nice for you, or it's really hard. I have all these kids, and it's like, I get that, but there are people in your lives, I hope. Unless you are someone who has lost everyone and it's you and these kids, and you live somewhere rural and you're by yourself, okay, maybe you know, and yet, there's still going to be options. There's still options. There's still five minutes you can take for your day. 30 minutes is less than 2% so that's, of course, why I was attracted to having her on. She said, if you're taking care of everybody else and you're a yes woman, and you're saying yes to everybody else and you don't have time for yourself, it's an indicator you're doing too much. 

Brad Crowell 11:38  

An indicator. 

Lesley Logan 11:39  

It's an indicator you're doing too much. So if you, if you are saying, I don't have time for me, it's an indicator you are doing too much, right there. That is the biggest red flag I can give you. And she said, "You have to start switching your priorities and emphasize the importance of putting yourself at the top of your priority list." So there is that thing where it's like, hey, if I asked you what your top priorities are and you list them out, are you on them? Most people don't put themselves up there. And I'm not even to say most of them. I'm gonna say most people. Most people don't put themselves at the top. So I think it's really, really important, because you cannot show up effectively for others if you are not taking care of yourself.

Brad Crowell 12:15  

Yeah, that I was gonna say. I don't think most people have been raised that way to put themselves in the priority list. I certainly wasn't service first. You know, she had a lot of mentions about being raised in a church or a religious home, and that's like, you're always last 100% definitely, my childhood was you take care of other people. You serve other people before you serve yourself. And then ultimately, the question is, if you ever even have the time or chance to serve yourself, because you don't, you know.

Lesley Logan 12:46  

Yeah. And as a verse that comes to mind, I'm not gonna even quote it, but like, I think I shock people when I can quote a verse and it's like, the last will be first and the first will be last, or something like that. Anyways, I think that it is wrong to put everybody above you, because you ultimately will run out of energy, love, generosity, health, to take care of those people you so care about. So I firmly believe it is absolutely imperative that you actually take time for you every day, so that you can give so generously. I think it's the greatest form of generosity to others is to take care of you. And this goes for my people who are like, oh, but I'm taking care of my parents and I'm taking care of my kids, because I know we have a lot of listeners from that middle part. I hear you, I see you. Trust me. We vote every day to hope that people who take care of people in the home can get some sort of tax credit or some benefit or something like that. We don't have that right now. But what I am saying is like, you gotta ask for help where you can get it, or you gotta automate something. Gotta automate the grocery so that you can sit down and read a book and take it. It doesn't have to be going to a workout like paying for something. Anyways, I could keep going. Whitney obviously did. So I'm gonna let you go into what you like.

Brad Crowell 13:55  

Well, I really thought it was helpful where she was talking about the root of the cause. She was talking about unresolved health issues. They come often from unresolved, emotional past experiences, and that is not generally something that we associate health issues with. Most people think about like I got hurt or I ate something or it's genetic, right? And her argument is the emotional side of our mental well-being has an impact on our physical well-being. That is what she's saying. So our emotional needs and past experiences, if that, if we don't address those trauma that we might have had, or experiences that we've had that were negative, then it will impact the body over time. Stress, for example, she was talking about, impacts the body and. 

Lesley Logan 14:44  

It's already scientifically proven that stress is the root cause of 99% of all illnesses, like just the stress on the body, because when you have high cortisol, when you stress your body, your body can no longer function as a whole. It has to deal with that thing. And so then what happens is, it's not focused on these other things. And listen to this amazing conversation with Mindy Pelz and this other doctor on foods that can actually prevent cancers. And so of course, he has to talk about, what is cancer? And he's like, it's amazing. We could focus on, how do I get this cancer? And his question is, like, how do you not have more cancer? Because cancer is actually so easy to develop, because our body is so good and going oop, that's a drug dealer. That's how you've referred to it, and pulling it away. But when you are constantly under stress, you are challenging your body and keeping it in a place where it cannot function in a healthy way to do those things. 

Brad Crowell 15:34  

Very interesting. 

Lesley Logan 15:35  

I'm super obsessed with just how our bodies function in a really, really healthy way.

Brad Crowell 15:39  

Yeah, well, Whitney was talking about feeling worthy, feeling that we are enough, feeling that we're loved. This stability, this mental stability, has a positive impact on your physical well-being. And so we often don't feel those things, and then we develop coping mechanisms, and those coping mechanisms lead to things like cancer over time, you know, starting or, you know, and whatever the, you know, it's like. 

Lesley Logan 16:09  

You don't so you don't sleep, then you end up with illnesses, because it's a domino effect or if you under-eat, it's a domino effect. 

Brad Crowell 16:16  

So, I was thinking about a good physical example, like is, if you've ever seen a dog who hurt his paw, right, they go around using three, and they effectively pretend they don't have a fourth, even though the fourth might be healed now they still don't use it. Right? And we might not cognitively be doing that with our foot or whatever. But there are parts of our body that our brain will just cut out, or stop routing things through, or nerves or all that kind of stuff, because it was not working or damaged or there was an issue. And then, you know, over time, when you're not getting blood flow and brain messages to different sections of your body, that's where problems begin. You know that's like the. 

Lesley Logan 17:01  

Oh yeah. I mean, it's people who like another way of because it's so and the mental is so interesting. People don't want to think that their mental health has anything to do with things around their body. But another physical example, this is how your mental health works, is you sprain your ankle, so you walk a little funny while your ankle heals. So resting your ankle instead of putting a boot on, instead of figuring out why you sprained your ankle, you just walk a little funny and make an adjustment. That adjustment has a chain reaction. Now you're putting more pressure on the other knee, you're putting more pressure on the other hip, putting more pressure on the other waist of your back, and all of a sudden you have functional scoliosis. You now have a weak side and a strong side, and then you end up with more injuries, more aches and pains. I had a client who had a bad knee, refused to get surgery until it got worse. Finally had the knee replacement, and then needed to have surgery on the other knee because she'd overdone it. 

Brad Crowell 17:52  

Yeah, I just want to wrap this up by saying Whitney said, "Nobody ever teaches us how to show up for ourselves so that we can meet our own needs and feel good enough for ourselves." And I think that she's right on the money that's not taught, and it's really important that we make an adjustment about how we prioritize ourselves. This is something that obviously, you've been talking about forever. It's come through on a lot of other podcasts, and a lot of the things that we the content that we put out there, prioritizing yourself, especially with OPC, and how OPC can help you do those kinds of things, but if we don't put ourselves in a position where we're being taken care of by ourselves, there's no way we can be operating at our best to take care of all the other people that we actually do want to take care of in our lives. So just switching that prioritization in your own mind is going to have a compounding effect in the world around you. 

Lesley Logan 18:44  

Yeah, yeah. 

Brad Crowell 18:46  

All right, stick around. We'll be right back. 

All right. Finally, let's talk about those, Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Whitney Prude? All right. She said, "If you want to reach a goal, take motivation and transition it from external to internal." So for example, I want to lose weight, that's external. So therefore I am going to show myself respect and love, so, internal. So she's saying, transition it from external to internal. I want to be first in the race. I believe I'm worthy to be first in the race, right? Get yourself to a point where you genuinely love yourself, and that was really I found this whole conversation so interesting because it's very introspective. It's very, well, putting yourself first, but also reflective, you know, trying to assess and analyze yourself and then take care of yourself and respect yourself. And I think it's amazing. Her program mostly starts with people who are interested in losing weight, right? And she said by the end of the program, the difference is the mindset, whether or not losing weight even matters. The person respects and loves themselves so differently than they did when they came in, that it actually helps with weight loss, because you're changing the focus, you're changing the focus. So. 

Lesley Logan 20:11  

I think I really love that Be It Action Item, because I can work for anything. And the truth is extrinsic motivation is very fleeting. It's very, like, in the moment kind of thing, and it's a little more spontaneous. But intrinsic motivation, it helps you get out of bed on the hardest day. Intrinsic motivation helps you on those days where it's not easy to do the thing you want to do, whatever that thing is, because you care so deeply about yourself, or who it's for, what it's for, things like that. 

Brad Crowell 20:38  

Yeah. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 20:40  

She said, lean into the discomfort, which I freaking love, because this is like a Pilates thing. She explained that change requires discomfort, and that the body signals what needs to change through feelings of discomfort. Are you feeling uncomfortable? There's something wrong, like you're and you're sitting still in a chair and your body starts to hurt. It's because you need to stop sitting like that in the chair. Or stop sitting in that chair.

Brad Crowell 20:59  

Can we just make a clarification between discomfort and pain? What did Jay say all the time? Messy Pilates is okay?

Lesley Logan 21:04  

Oh, yeah, ugly Pilates, get used to it. Dangerous Pilates, never. 

Brad Crowell 21:07  

Right. 

Lesley Logan 21:08  

So that's just like, I love that. I fractured my knee 10 years ago. I fractured my tibial plateau, and when I was finally able to put weight back on it, I had a really hard time. And my trainer was like giving me some of the exercise I was doing before, and he'd hand me a weight, and I, there's intense fear, because I was uncomfortable, and I would go, oh, that hurts. And he said is it hard, or does it hurt? And to me, discomfort or difficult, our brains can ugly can put into the it's bad, but it's it's not necessarily bad. So you have to understand, like, what is uncomfortable versus danger. And so when you lean into discomfort that is where, like, that whole little meme of like, life happens outside your comfort zone, that means you're going to be in a discomfort zone. But there's a difference between being discomfort and discomfort versus danger. 

Brad Crowell 22:00  

Yeah, I remember being at the gym and not listening to my body with my shoulder. It was, it was being weird. And I was like, no, I'm gonna just push through. I'm gonna do this thing. And I ended up having to be literally, I was out doing like, a specific exercise for months, because my, the way I not listen to my body. I was actually pushing through the pain, and it wasn't. It was past discomfort, right? And I knew it, but I was like, no, I'm gonna do this. I've got this anyway.

Lesley Logan 22:28  

So I say all pain no gain is, like, in the worst, like, worst thing, because it's teaching you not to listen to your body. You have to listen to your body, and that's hard if you've never done that before. So.

Brad Crowell 22:38  

But then, like, there's the stress that you're putting on your body to get stronger. That isn't painful. It just sucks. Right? That's the discomfort. That's being uncomfortable. That's like pushing. 

Lesley Logan 22:51  

You shouldn't be so we're using workout a lot right here as an example. But I don't need you to be so sore you can't, you have to fall down onto your toilet every time you go to use it every single day. That's wrong. But if you are adding weight or adding a rep or adding a fitness routine, that is like, this is new. This is weird. I'm being challenged, but you're not in pain, then you're in a really good place, because you are challenging different parts of your body to work, your brain to work, you're putting yourself outside your comfort zone. And so she encourage you to plan time for yourself, put it on your calendar, non-negotiable, same time every day, and sit in it no matter how uncomfortable it is. She also assured it will get comfortable with consistency. And this is also true. There are certain exercises that were really hard for me to do and because they're uncomfortable, and I was like, oh, it's just a weird position to be in, I'm not really sure. And then over time, it became like a nice, comfy couch. It's like, oh, this feels, feels good to do, right? So you have to get through the discomfort before you can make progress towards change. If you want things to be different, they're going to have to be different. So there's that. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 23:54  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 23:54  

Thank you so much for listening to our podcast. We are so grateful for you. Thank you, Whitney. Make sure you share your takeaways with Whitney Prude. Share it with the Be It Pod. Share this with a friend who needs to hear these things that them prioritizing themselves is actually one of the best things they can do. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 24:09  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 24:11  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 24:53  

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Lesley Logan 24:58  

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Brad Crowell 25:03  

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Lesley Logan 25:10  

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Brad Crowell 25:13  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Are you prioritizing yourself, or are you stuck in people-pleasing and overachievement? In this episode, Lesley Logan interviews Whitney Prude, a Board Certified Clinical Pharmacist and wellness coach, who shares her transformative journey from career burnout to self-love. Whitney reveals how women can stop the cycle of self-neglect, find their true worth, and make self-love a priority. Tune in for a conversation about letting go of people-pleasing, shifting from external to internal motivation, and leaning into the discomfort for lasting change.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

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In this episode you will learn about:

• Whitney’s transition from pharmacist to wellness coach.
• How her autoimmune disease forced a career shift.
• The harmful effects of people-pleasing and overachievement.
• How to recognize early signs of burnout before it’s too late.
• The importance of prioritizing self-love and emotional care.
• Why leaning into discomfort is key to personal progress.
• How to shift your motivation from external validation to internal fulfillment.

Episode References/Links:

• Whitney Prude Instagram
• Whitney Prude Website
• FemGevity
• Dr Mindy Pelz

Guest Bio:

Whitney Prude is a practicing Board Certified Clinical Pharmacist (PharmD, BCPS), as well as a Mayo Clinic Certified Wellness Coach and Nationally Certified Health and Wellness Coach (NBC-HWC). She earned her Doctorate of Pharmacy Degree at Roseman University of Health Sciences in South Jordan, Utah, and completed a Post-Graduate Residency (PGY1) at the University of New Mexico Hospitals in Albuquerque, New Mexico. She obtained her coaching certification through the Mayo Clinic Wellness Coaching Program, which is certified by the National Board of Health and Wellness Coaching. Additionally, she is certified in Medication Therapy Management and Pharmacogenomics. She currently works as an inpatient clinical pharmacist at Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, where she has been for 7 years. She is also a public speaker, entrepreneur, and CEO of Whole & Happy Living, a health and wellness company offering coaching, education, and medication review. Her true passion lies in helping others transform their health so they can live their absolute best life possible.

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Episode Transcript:

Whitney Prude 0:00  

You need to be at number one. If you want to show up for your kids, if you want to show up for your husband, if you want to be here in 20 years when you have grandkids and you want to see their kids and whatever, you want all of that stuff to happen, then you've got to start putting yourself at number one.

Lesley Logan 0:15  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:56  

All right, Be It babe. Okay. I'm excited. I am so excited for you to listen to this conversation. It was more than I ever expected. So when I met today's guest, I was like, yeah, I want to talk about this. This is great. This is exactly what I want to talk about. And just my schedule is kind of crazy so I couldn't talk to her until today. And today–the day that we're recording it–is the three-year anniversary of the podcast, and so super, just so exciting, and to be able to have this conversations, honest conversation that is really for the ladies who are listening, but if you are a male listening, thank you. And there are women listening in your life, there are women in your lives, and I think it's really important that you hear this and then also you share this with them. So we are going to talk a lot about self love and achieving and also people-pleasing. And today's guest is really just an expert in really helping you work internally on yourself. But a lot of times people work with her because of external stuff. So it's just great. It's amazing. Get ready to hit rewind a couple of times. I remember when Oprah goes, that's a tweet. Tweet, when Twitter was new, she's like, that's a tweet. Tweet. Like, I just want to go this is like, hold on. I just need, like, there's a Be It mic drop moment. We'll have to come up–send in your suggestions for these things. But I just really, absolutely love today's interview, and I cannot wait for you to hear our guest's amazingness. So here is Whitney Prude. 

Lesley Logan 2:17  

All right, Be It, babe. I'm really excited to have this conversation today. I've met Whitney, our guest today, a while back, and I just really love the mission she's on and her tips and advice that she has, so I'm excited to share that with you. Whitney Prude is our guest. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you rock at? 

Whitney Prude 2:31  

Well, thank you, first of all, for having me. Like you said, I'm Whitney Prude. I am a Board Certified Clinical Pharmacist and I'm also a certified health and wellness coach and a certified nutrition coach. So what do I rock at? Well, I try to crush it at all of those things where I have certifications. 

Lesley Logan 2:51  

Should I be calling you Dr. Prude? Am I supposed to be calling you– or Dr. Whitney? 

Whitney Prude 2:57  

I don't know. It feels a little uncomfortable to me. I don't need to be called doctor. I mean, I am a doctor, but it feels kind of weird, because medical doctors are called doctor and so it's always like, just call me Whitney. I don't want to, you know, but yes, I do have a doctorate degree. I'm a pharmacist, but I'm not currently working as a pharmacist. I've kind of stepped away, and I'm working full-time in my business, and it's been a fun journey.

Lesley Logan 3:20  

That's amazing. Okay, I just want to like shout out. And maybe I'm ignorant, but you worked at the Mayo Clinic for many years. Like, don't we consider the Mayo Clinic is, like, the top the best of the best, right? Like, this is where everyone goes. Like, yes, don't be so humble. Like you, you, you've done some amazing work in the medical field. And then the fact that I love that you mentioned certified against the health and wellness and the nutrition, because so many people, they have certificates, not necessarily certification. So what drew you to in the being a pharmacist to also then going after these other educations and these other areas of expertise?

Whitney Prude 3:58  

Yeah, good question. I never intended on doing what I'm doing right now. That was not it wasn't in my plan. I never imagined that I would be a business owner. I never imagined that I would be a coach. It wasn't in my plan. My dream was to be a pharmacist. I worked my whole life to be a pharmacist. I had decided, since I was in high school, to be a pharmacist, and I became a pharmacist. I worked in pharmacy for about eight years before I stepped away to do my own business. But that was my dream, that was my goal, and life had different things in mind for me. I don't know if you want to dive into my story. I'm happy to if you'd like me to, but.

Lesley Logan 4:34  

Yes. If you're willing to share it I love our listeners to hear first of all, to be honest that it wasn't in your plan. Sometimes I'm like, do we need to have plans? But then yes, because, like, a plan is a road map, and if you're willing to allow yourself to go on an adventure, then you'll eventually get to somewhere better than what you could have imagined from your first plan. So, but I would love if you're willing to share. 

Whitney Prude 4:56  

Yeah, 100%. I think it is important to have a roadmap to think, you know, to have a goal is something that you want to get to, a dream, whatever, right? And you can work full force to get to that. But the reality is, is that things don't always turn out how we plan them. And when life happens, sometimes we have to make shifts, and we have to learn how to make the best of what we've got. So that was my story, basically, when I I mean, really, to give you kind of a full understanding, let me go back even to when I was a teenager, because I think it kind of starts at this point. When I was 16 years old, my parents went through a divorce, and it was, I mean, at that point in my life, but, you know, I'm a teenager, it's already hard to handle life, to manage life, but my world crumbled. Everything that I knew was a solid foundation for me, relationships that were closest to me, everything just crumbled beneath me, and at that point, I remember very vividly having two pathways of like I can decide to rebel and let this be my excuse for going down one path, or I can make a decision to not let this destroy me and to continue to follow my dreams. And I remember very vividly making that decision, but what I did when I made that decision is that I started to bury the pain and the hurt and basically try to survive like humans do, and just move forward, but I really buried everything in business, the busyness, in trying to accomplish my dream of becoming a pharmacist. 

Lesley Logan 6:23  

Yeah, I'm sure no one listening knows what that is. All of our people are perfect. They don't over-achieve at all.

Whitney Prude 6:31  

They don't over-achieve and they don't bury their pain. They address everything as they come, they process everything. So, yeah, I'm human, right? And it actually took me a long time to accept that I was human and that I actually wasn't okay as I was burying all of those things. I did it for several years, and then I pushed myself through pharmacy school. And pharmacy school is literally the hardest thing that I've ever pushed myself through, because it just pushes you beyond, like, what, what survivable human, human limitations should be because it's just so demanding, and it really pushed me past my limits of what I could cover up. I couldn't cover up the pain anymore, and I just started having like these emotional meltdowns, like on a very, very regular basis. And essentially, I pushed myself to a point where I just, I crumbled. I came home from school one day I was completely exhausted. I felt like a zombie, nearly. I had so much studying I still had to do, and there was just this day where I crumbled to the floor and I just sobbed and I sobbed and I sobbed and I sobbed. I just I laid there, and it was just like I was completely broken. And that was really the, the turning point in my life where I was like, okay, I'm not okay. I can't cover it up anymore. I'm not okay. And so I started going to therapy. I started reading every self-help book possible that you know, that I could find. I was like, okay, I gotta do something, right? But the reality is I did get through pharmacy school, I got through residency, and I got this job at the Mayo Clinic. You know, it's like, oh, dream come true it's like, everything's fine, but the problem was, is that I had pushed myself too far, and I had pushed myself too hard, and I ended up developing an autoimmune disease about nine months into my job. 

Lesley Logan 8:20  

Oh my gosh. 

Whitney Prude 8:21  

So I had, yeah, nine months in, I had $200,000 of debt, student debt, hanging over my head and I couldn't use the computer. I was (inaudible) my whole job. I couldn't use the computer. I had a lot of limitations, a lot of restrictions. It's like, oh, you know, everything. I just need to let it heal my wrists and stuff will be fine. And that wasn't the case. I never came off of those restrictions. My limitations never changed. I couldn't do my job in the way that I ever you know, that I had imagined it being I was on disability, and at that point, I was like, what do I do now? How do you ever pay this loan off if I can't keep working as a pharmacist? And so that's where I started, you know, I was like exploring well, what would I do if I wasn't a pharmacist and I wanted to be a public speaker, and kind of, with that came coaching, and so that's when I started to explore some other things. But ultimately, what I decided I wanted to do, there's this, and I think that this maybe will be beneficial for some listeners, but I tried to find other people that could be inspiring to me, people that I knew had chronic illnesses, but I hadn't really looked into it very much. And one of the celebrities you can kind of hear more about their lives and stuff and so I came across Lady Gaga. I had never really been a fan of her before, but.

Lesley Logan 9:35  

Huge fan, huge fan, huge fan. (inaudible) I was at her first World Tour. Front row. Okay, anyways.

Whitney Prude 9:46  

And so, well, so I started listening to a lot of her interviews and stuff as she was talking about her chronic illness and she said something that was very, very powerful to me. And she said, "My pain really does me no good unless I can transform it into something that is." And so I took that to heart, and I said you know what, I am spending hours and hours and hours in bed every single day for months on end. And what I decided to do was to take that pain and all of this that I was dealing with. And I said, well, what I'm going to do is I'm going to turn it into a program to help people to avoid the pitfalls of what I have just gone through. I've lost so much of my life, so I'm going to now make it my life goal to help other people to avoid the pitfalls that I'm dealing with and have to deal with the rest of my life.

Lesley Logan 10:34  

Yeah. Oh, thank you for sharing that story and I love the idea of looking for people who inspire you who have similar issues, I think that is where people tend to also even go wrong in their inspiration. They pick someone out who has a different life than them, and they're like, I should be like them. That is a path. And it's like, I certainly don't want you to be inspired by other people outside, but also it's important for us to feel seen and heard and understood. And there have been people that I've compared myself to, and they inspire me as a female CEO. And it's like, yeah, they also had investors up the wazoo. We do not have the same life, we do not have the same abilities. I can have them as a North Star, but also like, can I be inspired by them, or should I find someone who's also gone through similar journeys, similar instances, similar growing up, so that I can feel a little bit more seen and also be inspired, because in spite of all of that, they have done other things. So that's really, really cool. So yeah, I mean, it's interesting. Like, autoimmunes are really–I was listening to Mindy Pelz and she was saying that the world we live in is killing women and more and more women have more autoimmune diseases than ever before, because of our society. And so it is true, because we push ourselves, because the way education systems are done is not anywhere in a way that is conducive to a cycle that a woman is going through and they're pushing this. And so you're inevitably going to have some sort of issue, whether it is a gut issue or an autoimmune issue. What are some of those things that you were telling people to like maybe be on the mind, watching out for that could be signs that could be affecting them or pushing them too far. And what are some of the things that you are doing to help people watch for those signs, or how we learn from your story so we don't end up in the same situation?

Whitney Prude 12:18  

Yeah, when I bring women into my program, I think some of the most common reoccurring things that I see, especially with women, is people-pleasing or we define ourselves as caretakers. And I think that also falls into being a mom. It's like when you're a mom, all of a sudden you have humans that are dependent on you to stay alive. And so a lot of times, we very much put ourselves on the back burner. So people-pleasing is a huge one. If you're taking care of everybody else, and if you're a yes woman, and you're saying yes to everybody else, but you don't have time to eat healthy, and you don't have time to exercise, and you don't have time to get enough sleep at night, those are key indicators that you're doing too much, that you're not taking care of yourself, that you've got to start switching your priorities and putting yourself at the top of your priority list, or you're not going to be able to keep showing up for those people. 

Lesley Logan 13:11  

Yeah, so not at all what I expect you to say, and I'm loving it. I'm so grateful that you talk about people-pleasing and being too busy for self -care. There must be something in the moons, like I was talking to my girlfriend, and I don't want you to lose your train of thought. But I was talking to a girlfriend and she was like, I just don't have it in me to have that hustle. And I was like, you should see the morning routine I have so that I can do the job that I've created for myself that I love so much. And I was starting to feel like it sounded like luxurious and ridiculous. And then I was like, wait a minute, actually, no, this is what I need to be the best version of myself. There's nothing wrong with that. And I already tell people self-care isn't selfish care. So why is it, why am I thinking that I sound like it is selfish or luxurious. It's required. I need it. So I definitely, let's definitely get back to self-care in a moment. But thank you for bringing up people-pleasing because it is an epidemic. There's too many people who are people-pleasers, and it is costing us our lives. 

Whitney Prude 14:05  

Well, and essentially, if you're a people-pleaser, you're very likely also an overachiever, like you're saying yes to way too many things, whether that's in the community or people you know, it's like at your kid's school, and they're asking you to do stuff, and then at church, they're asking you to do stuff, and then at work, they're asking you to do stuff, and if you're a yes woman, you're essentially overachieving. You're taking on everything, and you think that you're this rock star–in the long run, it's damaging, and it's going to show up. It's going to manifest when we push ourselves too hard internally, it is going to manifest, and usually it manifests in our physical health. So whether that's an autoimmune disease or it manifests in weight gain and bad diabetes, there's hundreds of ways that it can manifest, but the reality is, is that it will manifest. You cannot continue living like that the rest of your life and not have it lead to health issues. 

Lesley Logan 14:56  

Yeah, yeah, everyone, rewind and re-listen to that again, because it is 100% my own experience. I also had student loans, but not, not nearly, not nearly what you had, but I also didn't walk out of it with a doctor degree and even a career. Liberal arts degree over here, everyone. I had a private school because that was smart. So that just means more expensive, everyone. So I was really trying to get out of this low-salary job and do what I loved, and I love doing it. So I told myself, it's fine that I'm working seven days a week because I love what I'm doing. And that was the overachiever in me. And what was happening is like my gut system was shutting down and I got dangerously underweight, and not because I wasn't eating, but because I wasn't digesting, absorbing nutrition. So my body was just not doing well and Facebook is showing me videos and pictures that I posted 10, 15, years ago, and I was like, that girl is, I can see how unhealthy she is. I could see it. I didn't see it then, because I'm just going and going and going and, like, living L.A. life where I have a 45-minute commute, and you just do that because that's the range you can afford. You just keep pushing and at some point you can't push anymore. And the problem is, is that now you're in a worse position, because it's actually harder to get out of that health situation than if you had made change, if I had made changes at the first signs of things. But no one told me–I think what the issue is and I think this is where listeners might also–I did seek help for some of the signs, and no one said, Hey, tell me about your workload. Tell me about, let's talk about a day in the life of you. Do you feel like you have time like, tell me about, what are you doing for? How's your sleep? No doctor was like asking me those things. And I do think that if someone had just actually put a mirror into my face, like you are actually not doing enough sleep, you're not, enough self-care, that I may have been able to shift it sooner. So I'm just wondering, like that's your experience as well.

Whitney Prude 16:54  

Oh yeah, 100% it's like when you do start noticing things like, where do we go? What do we do? We go to the doctor. And there's nothing wrong with going to the doctor, but the reality is that in the medical field, right? You're going to come in and they're looking at symptoms, and they're going to try to find a way to treat it, but we're not looking at what has driven us here. Why are we here? How do we make changes to actually change our lifestyle? A lot of it, you could reverse some of it, you can't, which is unfortunate, and you may require treatment, but we're not looking at the underlying root causes. And one of the things that I'm very, very passionate about is that usually, so if you look at people like, okay, we're people-pleasers, we're overachievers, we're perfectionists, whatever those things are, right? Whatever it is that we're pushing ourselves backwards and we're trying to please in the world. We're trying to, we're trying to feel worthy. We're trying to feel like we're enough. We're trying to feel loved. Well, where does this usually come from? The majority of it comes from our past. We go through our past and we're treated in a certain way, and there is no parent that is going to 100% meet your needs. Yeah, it's just not possible. They're human too, right? And so there's always going to be things where we don't feel good enough, or where we weren't recognized, or maybe only when we would really high achieve that's only the time that we were recognized. So now we're like, well, if I do everything perfect, then I can be loved and I can be good enough. And so we develop, over our lives, we develop these beliefs about ourselves, we develop these coping mechanisms, and they're all subconscious. Our brain does it on its own of like, how do we get this satisfaction out of the world that we need, essentially, and so we start doing all of these things in our lives to try to feel good enough and nobody ever teaches us how to show up for ourselves so that we can meet our own emotional needs and feel good enough inside of ourselves, so that we don't need any of that stuff. And none of that is ever going to be addressed when you go to the doctor. Never, never, never, never. It's the underlying cause for the majority of why people start getting sick.

Lesley Logan 19:10  

Oh my gosh. And for everyone we're not advocating, don't go the doctor, obviously, like, but we even have a female telemedicine that's a sponsor, so I love them. But also, just getting your symptoms treated is not the same as going, how did I get here in the first place? And so do you have tips for us, for the people who are listening, like, how do I meet my own needs? Or is this something that it obviously can't just be like three things and like, we've all nailed it. Obviously it takes coaching with you. But what are some areas we can see we're not meeting our own needs? Maybe that's a better way of looking at it. 

Whitney Prude 19:40  

I mean, the first thing that I would say, and I like to challenge people to do this, just in general, if you sit down and write down your top five priorities, one through five. Okay, everybody sit down, write down your top priorities. Now the majority of people, when I have them, write down their top five priorities. At the end I ask, "And where are you on that list?" Nobody, almost no one puts themselves on that priority list. And where should you be and your health be on that priority list? It should be number one. Now everybody feels like that is selfish and it's 100% not selfish. It is essential. So you need to be at number one if you want to show up for your kids, if you want to show up for your husband, if you want to be here in 20 years when you have grandkids and you want to see their kids and whatever. You want all of that stuff to happen, then you've got to start putting yourself at number one. So you move yourself up to priority number one. You shift your kids down, you shift your husband down, you shift your work down, you shift everything down. And even, you know, some people are like, oh, no, well, God is most important. I have to do all this stuff for God, even that you cannot show up in this world and fulfill your true purpose for God if you are not prioritizing yourself and your health? So it doesn't matter. All of this stuff, you have to shift it down on the priority list, and you have to put yourself as number one. And when you start putting that into your focus every single day, it's like, well, have I met my own needs today? And people are bombarding you and asking you for all this stuff. If you haven't met your own needs, then the answer is no. You've got to start saying no. 

Lesley Logan 21:24  

Oh my gosh, thank you for saying that. I've heard only one other person ever say, and this is not to knock men, but he was a male saying kids are number three. And I was like, I just feel like he gets away with that. He can say that, and every mom is not listening to that. They're, you know what I mean? They're not. They're putting the kids up first. And the relationship may be a second, but probably not. And honestly, he's like, you have to take care of you. And then if you have a partner, your partner's taking care of them, that's great. Then together, there's some way of making income, and the income is what fuels the payments for all the things. And then there's other people in your life, your children, family, other stuff. And he's like, it's gonna sound awful, but you can't provide for them if you don't take care of you, and you can't be there for them if you haven't made a way of providing. So it's like very difficult for people to understand. And I'm gonna get so many people saying kids should be number two. Obviously, if you have an infant, take care of the infant. But it'll be easier to take care of the infant if you've taken care of you before having the infant. And it's easier for your kids to be in a household where they have needs met, if the person who's meeting their needs has taken care of their own. It's just I don't like I used to teach so many moms that come in the school's asking to show up for things. They've got to do this thing for the household. The neighbor needs this. So all these different things, and they're talking about this in their session that's for them. And I was like, so this is like, for you. So like, maybe we, like, just, can we just, like, close the world off for a moment, this is actually for you. And when I kept telling them, like, we're doing this for you, so you could do all those things. I had those women coming three and four days a week, because it was the thing that they could tangibly feel was for them, it was like, why they were coming in, and it gave them the energy to do all this other stuff. And it's really cool. And we do have to remind people, we say this all the time on the podcast, which is why I'm, like, obsessed with you already, is like self-care is not selfish care. It is essential for you to be around. And the other unfortunate thing is, all the stuff that we do for self-care can feel very luxurious, like that's a word I mentioned, because you won't ever know what it prevented you from getting. You're not going to make it to the end and go, whoop, didn't get that autoimmune disease. Like you won't know because you did the things to prevent the burnout or the diseases or the illnesses, we don't get that information, so we tend to forget the self-care stuff when life gets hard. 

Whitney Prude 23:49  

Yep, I think another important point to make as well is like, we talk about self-care, and I'll ask people like, do you genuinely love yourself? And they're like, oh yeah, well, I spend money, I buy myself clothes, I go get my nails done, I take care of myself, and I'm like, yes, but do you genuinely love yourself? Like self-love and self-care are two different things, right? So we have this element of are you showing up for yourself physically? Are you doing the things, you know it's like you're eating healthy? Are you exercising? Are you showing up for yourself physically? But on the flip side, and this is another thing that a lot of people miss, are you showing up for yourself emotionally? And do you know how?

Lesley Logan 24:32  

I think everyone just stopped and didn't know how to answer that. How did you learn that? Because I can't I mean, obviously that's something you had to learn, because you know, I'm not going to say you don't burn out if you love yourself, because I'm sure there's always room for an option, but I definitely think you would know it sooner than later. How did you learn that? How did you learn to self-love? How do you help people do that? 

Whitney Prude 24:56  

Well, so my experience through this journey and my own self-love journey is kind of interesting. And you know, some people, anyone that's raised in like a pretty religious environment, could potentially relate. But within religion, there's a lot of expectations, and you're either doing the good things and meeting the expectations, (inaudible) or they're not, and you're not a good person, and you're a disappointment sort of a thing. It doesn't matter what religion it's like, these things exist, right? There are things that you're supposed to do and there are bad things. So for me, I had gotten, and it's not to say that the religion was bad in any sense of the word, but for me and my personality, I latched on to this of like, I can check the boxes and everyone thinks that I'm awesome, right, and it's praising me and I learned at one point in my life where my belief kind of started to, like, falter a little bit. I was like, wait a second, if I don't believe this and people aren't praising me, then, like, do I even freaking matter? Does anybody love me? Can I be loved, right? Like, if I'm not doing all of these things. Am I still lovable, or am I just this horrible, awful disappointment? And so I had to prove to myself, and I almost intentionally started doing the wrong things, because I had to prove to myself that it doesn't matter what I do or don't do, my worth doesn't change. And getting to the base of like, what's the value of a human being? Is value based on actions of how much you can accomplish? Or are you valuable because you are a living, breathing human being. It doesn't matter what you do or don't do. You're a unique individual that has value no matter what. And so my journey was associated with religion of like, where I felt this disappointment, because all of a sudden I was questioning like this, you know, this core belief that had brought me all of my self-worth, my whole life. And so then I had to start working to find myself like, well, can I be good enough? Can I be loved regardless? And I had to be the one that loved myself. I had to stop searching for all of these other people to fill that void. I had to start doing it for myself. 

Lesley Logan 27:06  

Yeah, oh my gosh we could talk forever on I was raised in religion, and so we could talk forever about how that creates overachievers and this urge to always be doing and I think inherently, like, religion isn't bad. I think it's the way it's interpreted in people's bodies and emotions (inaudible) on them and so, yep, it's true, and it's interesting, because I don't know how much, even though I could quote some verses, which I'm not going to do that right now. But like, even though we are told that we are loved by the person we believe in, we are not taught to love ourselves the way that they love us, you know? And so going back to what you said at the beginning of this episode, it's like, how we are raised. Are we raising kids to love themselves? Are we teaching them that–I have a girlfriend who has her little girl, and she has like, little mirror things, and she's like, I'm beautiful and I'm loving, and she's doing this thing. She's like, I don't know if I (inaudible) in the mirror. And I'm like, I think it's really cool that she says, I'm beautiful and I'm loving, like she's having a whole little self-love moment every single day. Who cares what's in the mirror? You know? Like, I think that I didn't grow up like that. So we obviously know more today than we do. Every generation gets to have a little bit more insight. We get to learn from other people's journeys. But I think that is a really cool thing that we can all take away. Now that you are obviously now full time working for yourself and very aware of, like, why you're doing this and what you're doing. Who are you most excited to work with? And like, what brings you joy in doing this work? What are you hoping to help them achieve? And I hate the way I said achieved, like, helping them get or enjoy?

Whitney Prude 28:39  

Honestly, my favorite people to work with are women who don't know who they are, who are lost in their life. Because when they come into our program and they start digging, and it's hard to dig, you got to be brave, you know, and you got to say, okay, we're going to look inside, we're going to start paying attention to what my feelings are, and showing up and validating and recognizing that those feelings matter and that I deserve space in my own life. And so those women that come in and say, I'm not comfortable in my own skin, I don't really know who I am. Like I've lost myself. I don't know where I'm going, I don't know what to do, I don't know how to get out. Those are my absolute favorite people to work with, because when those women come into the program and we start digging and we start diving in, I mean, there's a lot of emotion, and there's a process that we take women through. They come because they want to lose weight, and they leave not even caring about the weight that they lost because they found themselves and they knew they know who they are and they're in control. They're able to now live a fulfilling life because they know how to show up for the woman that's staring back at them in the mirror. Those are one. 100% my absolute favorite clients to work with, because you just see this complete transformation. And it is absolutely incredible.

Lesley Logan 30:10  

I love that. Thank you for being so specific, because I do think there's a lot more people who are more aware that, like they're whelmed, like they're not, like they might not be overwhelmed, they're in the middle and they're kind of like, if you were to ask them, like, who are you really? Do you love yourself really? Those are some big questions that we don't have to face on a daily basis. Most people just ask us how we are, and they expect to say, I'm good, and then they get to know, I'm good too. Have a great day. Like, that's what most people expect. So most people are not asking themselves those big questions. And this is the Be It Till You See It podcast, and it's really hard to be it till you see it if you don't know who you are in the first place, it's a little bit difficult, you know? And so we've all been in places where, like, who am I really and where am I going? And like, do I matter? And am I lovable? And those are big questions that don't get answered overnight, but you do the work like your clients, or that you're saying your clients do, and then you get on the other side, and not only have the benefits of shedding weight in your instance, but also your client's sense, but also knowing exactly who you are and why you matter and what matters to you. So easy for us to focus on the outside. I need to fix this about me on the outside, and it's always, there's always an internal thing that is the root of it.

Whitney Prude 31:23  

If you think about, and this is, and I just say weight loss, just because, yeah, that's what, what brings a lot of people in, into my program. But if you think about someone so they want to reach a goal, right? They're like, okay, I want to lose 20 pounds. We don't like how we look. We want to get the scale down. Like, the motivation is very external, okay, but if you can take that motivation and you transition it from external to internal, and you get yourself to a point where you genuinely love yourself and you honor yourself, and you respect yourself, and you make yourself a priority, okay, so now it's coming from inside of yourself, then why do you eat healthy, and why do you exercise, and why do you get enough sleep? You do all of those things not because you want to change the scale. You do them because you genuinely care about yourself, you care about your body, you care about who you are, you care about how you feel like it all comes from inside of you, and it doesn't matter if the scale changes three pounds. Who cares now, right? You're gonna keep doing these things no matter what because you care about you. ,

Lesley Logan 32:26  

Yeah yeah. I think that's like, that's so good. I've been asking people what they do for self-care. I'm like, here's what I do for self-care. Like, what do you do for self-care? And I was on another person's podcast this week, and she's like, I got my nails done for self-care. Like, what do you do? And I'm like, prioritize my sleep. I try to drink enough water every day, you know, I make sure I'm feeding myself before I'm angry. I move my body intentionally for how my body is feeling that day, because I know I will be thankful tomorrow. I said, then, yes, I have a cold punch and I have a red light and I've got all these extra things, but like, the other thing that is listed are mostly free, if not things you are already buying at the grocery store as it is. So like, how you're choosing to see them. And I think people don't realize that they have control over self-care without changing that much in their schedule. It can be more intentional about when they go to bed and what they do before bed, and what they're feeding themselves with. And it's so easy to say that because I know how badly I felt when I wasn't making those intentional decisions, because I wasn't loving myself and I wasn't caring for myself. I said I'll do that tomorrow. Oh, when I have more time or I have my money, then I'm more deserving when I've done this, and I'm more deserving of x and y things, and it's actually like your future person is deserving of it now, but that it comes with self-love, like you said. Oh, cool stuff. Whitney. Okay, we're gonna take a brief break and we're gonna come back and find out where people find you, follow you, work with you and your Be It Action Items. 

Lesley Logan 33:54  

All right, Whitney, where can people connect with you more if they want to dive in deeper with you? What do you got for us? 

Whitney Prude 33:58  

Yeah, the best place to connect with me, first of all is on Instagram. You can always message me on Instagram. My Instagram is @mywholeandhappylife. Just send us a message. We're always in Instagram responding to messages. Happy to answer any questions. 

Lesley Logan 34:14  

Amazing. Okay, you have given us a lot to ponder already. So I'm just gonna say, like, the transcripts of this are gonna have some great questions for you to ask yourself. But we always love the for the overachiever, perfectionist, the action step that people can take to be uit till they see it. What bold, executable, intrinsic or target steps can we take? What do you have for us?

Whitney Prude 34:34  

So I think what kind of goes along with the conversation that we've had today in talking about helping women to really dive in and find themselves. The step that I would encourage people to take is to lean into the discomfort. Now, the reason that I say that is because if you want to change, change is uncomfortable. So. So your body will be telling you what you need to change, because it will feel uncomfortable. Maybe you don't express yourself, you don't share your feelings, and you feel uncomfortable. Your stomach drops. You're like, like, you know it's like our bodies often will tell us the things that we need to be working on, that we need to do, but we have to lean into that discomfort. We have to recognize it, and then we have to start forcing ourselves to actually do the thing that's uncomfortable. So then you have to start actually speaking up, whether it's like looking inside of ourselves, or if it's prioritizing ourselves, even when we feel selfish, that's uncomfortable. I have clients where it's like you have to schedule 10 minutes of nothing in your schedule. That is just time where you sit like you are just spending time with yourself. Put it in your schedule, on your calendar, non-negotiable. And it's almost overwhelming. They're like, I can't even comprehend spending that 10 minutes with myself, right? You have to start pushing yourself into that discomfort. So in talking about self-love, in talking about self-care, my action step would be to really plan that time for yourself, put it on your calendar, non-negotiable. Same time every day. This is your time, and you have to just sit in it, no matter how uncomfortable it is, start sitting in the discomfort and it will get more comfortable. But you have to get into the discomfort before you're ever going to make progress towards change. 

Lesley Logan 36:33  

Yeah. I was just talking to some of the girls in my mentorship program, they're Pilates teachers, and they're like, yeah, my client complains it's uncomfortable. And I was like, so it's not painful, just like, No. And I'm like, well, then, yeah, it's uncomfortable. We're doing something different in her body. Like, no, we need to it's okay to say. It's okay. It's okay to be uncomfortable. Not everything is comfortable in life, changing our strength, changing our alignment, changing our posture, is going to be uncomfortable because it is different than what we are used to. Pain is a different story, and so it's just really funny, because we all want the thing or the goal or the achievement or whatever it is, but to get there, because we don't have it now, it's going to take some discomfort and changing who we are to be there. So I love that. It's great. It's great. Whitney, you're awesome. This has been a wonderful conversation. I'm fired up. I'm excited. I am definitely checking myself on my self-love after this, what a great thing to just do a check in on everyone. How are you gonna use these tips in your life? Please let us know. Make sure you tag Whitney and her team and let them know how this episode affected you. And if you are needing more of this. Reach out to Whitney, because obviously, like, wow, definitely struck some good chords in here. And until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 37:49  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 38:32  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 38:37  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 38:41  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 38:48  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 38:51  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Celebrating the wins of others while embracing the power of intentional habits! Lesley Logan reflects on the importance of small habits that energize and sustain you. Tune in as she shares personal wins, from planning extended time at home to supporting clients who are boldly taking time off. Discover actionable tips on creating sustainable habits, embracing your worth, and how to celebrate yourself.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• Charlotte’s 12-day break and second monthly mat Zoom class success.
• Megan’s master class win and her investment in growth.
• Five-week stay-at-home stretch and daily habit consistency.
• Proven tips for maintaining habits that boost energy and well-being.
• A powerful mantra to cultivate positivity and energy.

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

It's Fuck Yeah Friday.

Lesley Logan 0:01  

Fuck yeah.

Lesley Logan 0:02  

Get ready for some wins. Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:46  

Hi, Be It babe, Happy Friday. Happy last Friday of the month. Happy, almost end of summer. I know some of you are sad about that, but some of you are ending winter, and so you're thrilled about that, and also it's quite possible that whatever season we're in just lingers a little bit longer, because they seem to do that. So welcome to the Be It Pod. If you're brand new, this is our short, quick, inspirational episode every week where I share a win of yours and you send in, and I share one of mine, and we remind ourselves that we're doing hard things. We're doing amazing things. We're actually slaying at being it until we see it. If you haven't listened to our interview and recap of the week, please listen to that after this. It really means the world to us. Downloads matter. So if you can make sure you're following the podcast, make sure you hit the little button so it automatically downloads. It's in your end thing, and all you have to do is hit play when you open up your podcast app of choice, like that would be amazing, awesome. So wonderful. And please share this with a friend. It's free. It's absolutely free, so it'll be really great if you cinch away. 

Lesley Logan 1:41  

Here we go. Let's get into it. Your win this week is first up from Charlotte Coker. I have a 12-day break from teaching that I planned in advance. I'm giving myself a spa day and a long weekend out of town with my husband. I'm also finishing up the marketing for my second monthly mat zoom class. The first one was super successful, 12 people signed up. Happy FYF. Charlotte, way to go. That is amazing. I love a 12-day break from teaching. I love it. Megan Clements. Taught my second master class today. Great feedback and everyone absolutely killed the repertoire. I had a whole lot of small apparatus that they're ready to assist them with and their own body awareness. So they just did it. That's so great. Oh, one more thing, this is also from Megan, and I'm at my second myofascial movement course called Slings Essential, where we learn fascial qualities, repertoire and application. Fun way to treat yourself and others. I love that your win Megan supported other people in connecting to their bodies, and you are also signing yourself up for things that interest you. Like, so freaking cool. So way to go, ladies, both of them are in my agency community, where we coach them on amazing things, and they're just doing great things in their business. It's so fun to support people who want to do things differently and not the way everyone else does it, which is like a hamster wheel, just like teaching all the time to say it's okay, it's okay to learn new things, it's also okay to take breaks. It's also okay to celebrate making things accessible, people. I love that. 

Lesley Logan 3:08  

All right, so my win is I'm gonna be home for five weeks. Yep, that's my win. You guys, I'm so proud of myself. I'm so proud of myself. I'm at my first week of home for five weeks. This win required a year of planning in advance. It also required me saying no to several invitations, and it required me to remember that like being busy doesn't equal a business, that being stressed out doesn't equal success, and it certainly doesn't in how I want to be it till I see it, and how I want to grow my businesses, and how I want to grow my communities and how I want to support people, just isn't it. So five weeks at home before we take off for Cambodia, and I'm proud to say that this is our first week of the five weeks, and I was able to just jump into all of my habits, for my morning routine and evening routine with ease. And that isn't because like I'm amazing. It's because of what I do to help ensure my habits when I start them. And if you need those tips, here's a quick one. Make sure the thing that you're starting is you want to do. Second, it needs to be small. Third, you got to celebrate it. Gotta celebrate that you did it. You got to pat yourself on the back, even if it's I want to walk in the morning and you just walked around a block, you can't go oh I'm such a lazy bum. I only did one block. No, you have to acknowledge that you went for the walk you said you were going to. You followed through with your decision you made for yourself. That is how habits are made. It is literally by making it small enough so you can do it, it's not overwhelming, and then you celebrate that you did it. That's how it goes. So this week, I had a lot of habits that I could, I was home for like, two mornings, and I was able to kind of like, get them back in my schedule, which was lovely. That was last week. Then I went off to L.A. and then I came back and I like, really made sure, like, okay, I'm intentional. I want to get my morning routine. I got five weeks to just make sure everything is working for me, so that I can show up and be the best version of myself for you and for everyone else, for the people in my life, for my dogs, my husband, for families, like, you, have to understand that your habits help fill your cup so you can be the best version of yourself. Sometimes we think, oh, to be the best one of myself I need this clothing item. I need my hair to look like this, or I need to look like it, but actually being it is doing the things that make you feel energized enough to show up and be your best version of yourself. That's how it goes. That's how it is. So anyways, loves. Thank you all so much. 

Lesley Logan 5:25  

Before I let you go, let's get that mantra. Sometimes, I actually forget it and I don't want to do that because it's so good for all of us. I say them out loud three times. You can say it with me on the third one, here we go. I am allowed to feel good. I am allowed to feel good. Say it with me. I'm allowed to feel good. Yes, you are allowed to feel good, and you feel good, and if you're not feeling good right now, take a second to pull over or stop or pause and think about some wins you've had because you've had more than you're giving yourself credit for. I didn't notice how I didn't say completed anything today in my habits, one week home, and I planned a five-week stay-at-home policy, but we haven't completed that yet, right? We're celebrating what we did do, some that we can celebrate the parts that we have been able to take stock of, and it's important that we do that. It's not bragging, it's not bold, it's not jerky and narcissistic. It's absolutely giving ourselves credit for what we have done. Thank you so much. You're allowed to feel good. Have an amazing day until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Lesley Logan 6:25  

That's all I got for this episode of the Be It Till You See It Podcast. One thing that would help both myself and future listeners is for you to rate the show and leave a review and follow or subscribe for free wherever you listen to your podcast. Also, make sure to introduce yourself over at the Be It Pod on Instagram. I would love to know more about you. Share this episode with whoever you think needs to hear it. Help us and others Be It Till You See It. Have an awesome day. Be It Till You See It is a production of The Bloom Podcast Network. If you want to leave us a message or a question that we might read on another episode, you can text us at +1-310-905-5534 or send a DM on Instagram @BeItPod.

Brad Crowell 7:07  

It's written, filmed, and recorded by your host, Lesley Logan, and me, Brad Crowell.

Lesley Logan 7:12  

It is transcribed, produced and edited by the epic team at Disenyo.co.

Brad Crowell 7:17  

Our theme music is by Ali at Apex Production Music and our branding by designer and artist, Gianfranco Cioffi.

Lesley Logan 7:24  

Special thanks to Melissa Solomon for creating our visuals.

Brad Crowell 7:27  

Also to Angelina Herico for adding all of our content to our website. And finally to Meridith Root for keeping us all on point and on time.

Are you ready to take charge of your personal brand and stop blaming external factors for your lack of progress? In this episode, Lesley and Brad recap conversations with Nick Hiter, a seasoned entrepreneur and podcast host of Hitstreak, who shares valuable insights on personal branding, social media, and the importance of taking ownership of your reputation online and why being intentional about it is key to your success.

If you have any questions about this episode or want to get some of the resources we mentioned, head over to LesleyLogan.co/podcast. If you have any comments or questions about the Be It pod shoot us a message at [email protected].

And as always, if you’re enjoying the show please share it with someone who you think would enjoy it as well. It is your continued support that will help us continue to help others. Thank you so much! Never miss another show by subscribing at LesleyLogan.co/subscribe.

In this episode you will learn about:

• How prioritizing herbs over salt can lead to healthier meal choices.
• What aspiring Pilates instructors should look for in a certification program.
• Why your personal brand is more than just your online presence.
• How to shift your mindset from blaming external factors to taking ownership.
• The key to creating consistency in your brand and business.
• Why intentionality is the foundation of long-term success.
• How to align your personal brand with your goals.

Episode References/Links:

• Nick Hiter's Website
• Work with Nick
• Hitstreak Podcast
• Lesley Logan's Episode on Hitstreak
• FemGevity
• eLevate Mentorship 2025
• Cambodia February 2025 Retreat
• OPC $40 for 40 Days
• OPC Website
• Profitable Business Accelerator Program
• Pilates Center
• Equinox Program
• Vintage and Jay Grimes Studio
• Profitable Pilates: Everything But the Exercises by Lesley Logan

If you enjoyed this episode, make sure and give us a five star rating and leave us a review on iTunes, Podcast Addict, Podchaser or Castbox.

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Resources:

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• Online Pilates Classes by Lesley Logan on YouTube
• Profitable Pilates

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Episode Transcript:

Lesley Logan 0:00  

When people ask, most people say, "I'm good." And he said well, guess what? That's all you're gonna be. I'm good. I was like, oh, I don't want to just be good. I'll be fucking amazing. 

Lesley Logan 0:10  

Welcome to the Be It Till You See It podcast where we talk about taking messy action, knowing that perfect is boring. I'm Lesley Logan, Pilates instructor and fitness business coach. I've trained thousands of people around the world and the number one thing I see stopping people from achieving anything is self-doubt. My friends, action brings clarity and it's the antidote to fear. Each week, my guest will bring bold, executable, intrinsic and targeted steps that you can use to put yourself first and Be It Till You See It. It's a practice, not a perfect. Let's get started.

Lesley Logan 0:51  

Welcome back to the Be It Till You See It interview recap where my co-host in life, Brad, and I are going to dig into the intentional convo I have with Nick Hiter in our last episode. If you haven't yet listened to that episode you have missed out. Just gonna say it. He's got some quotables (inaudible) talk about in a second.

Brad Crowell 1:06  

Couple of great nuggets. There was even a point where you said rewind that.

Lesley Logan 1:10  

I did. I did say rewind that. You know, I'm starting to do that, because people maybe like, oh so good. And if I say rewind, they'll be like, oh, I can do that. (inaudible) Everyone knows how to use technology. And also, you guys, I know, I think I said in our interview, but Nick and I had an amazing conversation on his podcast at Hitstreak, and that episode has been out for over a month. Just the content alone is still getting likes and shares like thousands. So just saying, I was pretty amazing too. But really, he has great questions, and he has a great podcast. You'll want to listen to the Hitstreak. Okay. Today is August 29th 2024 and it's More Herbs Less Salt Day. Enjoy More Herbs Less Salt Day on August 29th by reassessing your sodium intake. We understand that maintaining a balanced, healthy diet is easier said than done, especially since the flavor suffers the most. But healthy eating is no longer bland and boring. Spices and aromatic herbs are a great way to reduce salt in meals and amp up the taste. Your taste buds won't know what they're missing and your body will be grateful. I fucking love a salt lick. So I'm just gonna say right now, like, I'm gonna fail on this day.

Brad Crowell 2:13  

I put this in here on purpose because Lesley is always like, did you add salt? Did you add salt? Did you add more salt? Can you just add some more?

Lesley Logan 2:19  

I love. I love salt. You guys, I swear to God, I need a salt lick.

Brad Crowell 2:24  

Well, we also live in Vegas, and we sweat a lot and you know.

Lesley Logan 2:26  

Yes. And also, I had tests down where they're like, you could add more salt.

Brad Crowell 2:31  

Really? 

Lesley Logan 2:31  

Yes. Chris Talley was like, you can eat more salt. I'm ike, tortilla chips with salt. He's like, add salt to the salsa. Yeah, no problem. So anyways, like, just in general, I need more. I think, as I do work out as much as I do, and we do live in Vegas, I'm just sweating. At any rate, there are some great herbs out there, and if you work with Femgevity, you will find out your food sensitivities. Because, hi. 

Brad Crowell 2:54  

Femgevity.

Lesley Logan 2:55  

Femgevity. Because, like I do, you should use our link—beitpod.com/femgevity—it's spelled like, how you think. Did we find that? Is it basil that I can't have? What's on the list? There was some (inaudible).

Brad Crowell 3:06  

Basil is on the list I think that you're, well, you're.

Lesley Logan 3:09  

We love basil. 

Brad Crowell 3:10  

You have a mild, a mild.

Lesley Logan 3:11  

It's a mild sensitivity.

Brad Crowell 3:12  

Sensitivity to basil. 

Lesley Logan 3:14  

It's, yeah. And then there was a moderate one that was kind of a bummer as well. We'll have to look at it. (inaudible) It's on the list on the refrigerator, guys. I clearly don't cook, he does and we have a list on the fridge. 

Brad Crowell 3:24  

Well, here's what's super cool. For Cyber Monday, Black Friday, whatever deal one year I got one of those, grow it in your kitchen, little garden situation how in the house, on the counter. And I was like, oh, this is so annoying, because once the thing grows and dies, I gotta buy a whole new pod from them. Well, they're only 10 bucks or 12 bucks for like, six pods. I was like, oh, okay, it's not the end of the world.

Lesley Logan 3:50  

No, it's way less than buying the herbs that go bad in your fridge. 

Brad Crowell 3:53  

Way less than buying the herbs that go bad in your fridge, way.

Lesley Logan 3:57  

And the plastic around those herbs.

Brad Crowell 4:01  

Is the worst, just so much waste. Anyway, what's so fun about that, though, is you could have fresh herbs in your kitchen, just be where basil does take over, and so does mint. Mint takes over. 

Lesley Logan 4:12  

Also, like. 

Brad Crowell 4:13  

No, the mint. 

Lesley Logan 4:13  

Was it the mint? I swear it was a dill, because the dill went first. And I was like, first. It did die first, but we also it grew so fast I'm like, what do I use dill on besides a deviled egg? We're gonna make a pickle. What's happening here? 

Brad Crowell 4:25  

It grew and then it got choked out. 

Lesley Logan 4:27  

But we highly recommend herbs. So if, so, first of all, make sure that you are eating ones that are awesome with your body and your body wants. And second, grow your own because it's better for the environment and for your wallet. Okay, upcoming events and travel. We talked about this before, but if you are a Pilates instructor, my mentorship for 2025 applications are open. How many spots are left? I don't know, we're recording this in advance. So there might be none, but there might be some. And also we can talk about 2026, should it be full? So go to lesleylogan.co/elevate. This is for teachers who are looking for someone to help them connect deeper to the method and really up-level their teaching, their practice, especially their practice, and their connection to the method. It is really a lot of fun. Not only can help build confidence if something you're lacking, but also can actually just really empower you to see what's in front of you and teach the body in front of you. And it just feels freaking awesome when you do that, you change more lives. Cambodia retreat, we are less than six months out for the February Cambodia retreat.

Brad Crowell 5:26  

Yeah, just under six, just under six. 

Lesley Logan 5:28  

I'm so excited. I love the people who signed up for that one, because we know all of them so far, and it's just going to be a blast. So you are going to be an amazing community. 

Brad Crowell 5:38  

Couple long time members, basically get to hang out with, we're so looking forward to it and you could join us. 

Lesley Logan 5:44  

And you also don't, oh my god, it's like an inside club. It's only if they live here, guys. We've only known them for a while on the internet. So we're gonna it's the same as you. So we want you to come and be part of this family. We do become a family. It's really fun in a non-culty way, and we do really, really fun things. So, crowsnestretreats.com. 

Brad Crowell 6:01  

Yeah. crowsnestretreats.com. Okay, guess what? 

Lesley Logan 6:05  

Tell me.

Brad Crowell 6:06  

OPC, online Pilates classes.com, has a new thing we're doing, yeah, if you're watching us on YouTube, Lesley is pointing to her OPC hat made by Mindy's closet. OPC has a trial membership that we're offering. 40 days for 40 bucks and you can pick any of the three memberships that we offer, which are based on the equipment you have access to. So if you only have a mat, do our mat membership. If you have a mat and a reformer do that one, if you have a whole studio or access to a whole studio, do the all-equipment one. But you can try any of the three for 40 bucks, for 40 days. And what we do is we help you actually take advantage of using the membership. We're really good at this. We have, equip you with tools, we give you a suggested workout thing, we bring you into the community. You get to join us live for one, maybe even two classes, depending on when you join. Live classes, most of them are on demand, so you can take them anytime you'd like from your phone because we have an epic mobile app that you get to take advantage of all the things. So check it out. Go to opc.me/40 opc.me/40 and then finally, I've been doing another webinar series here for Profitable Pilates. It's called The Growth Accelerator, Studio Growth Accelerator. It's a free webinar. If you are feeling stuck with money in your business. I want you to join me on this webinar. We're going to go through a couple of things, three things, actually, that three big things that we're going to help unblock you're not going to feel stuck after this. You're going to have a pathway forward after this. Go to prfit.biz/accelerator. That's profit without the O dot B-I-Z slash accelerator. P-R-F-I-T dot biz slash accelerator. And join me for free. All right, but before we get into it with Mr. Nick Hiter, we did have an audience question, and today's was from YouTube. Melissa dash A-X-H-I-L-I-1-L-I whatever it's a lot, we're just gonna say Melissa. Melissa asked Lesley, where did you get your Pilates certification? 

Lesley Logan 8:04  

So this is a really good question. I've been trying to think about, like, what do I want to say? Because if you're asking because you want to go train there, like, my first training program is in some place that I recommend people. So I'm not going to say it, because I don't want to discuss why I wouldn't recommend it. It was a great program. 

Brad Crowell 8:05  

It was 600 hours. 

Lesley Logan 8:16  

It was 600 hours. 

Brad Crowell 8:20  

Certification only. 

Lesley Logan 8:21  

No. 

Brad Crowell 8:22  

No, it's comprehensive.

Lesley Logan 8:22  

I had a full comprehensive. And I will say, so the thing is, they don't do the training program that I did before. Now they let you do it modulated. So what I experienced wasn't the most amazing experience, but the setup was really successful because they did make me learn how to teach a beginner and an intermediate client at the same time on two different pieces of equipment, which is why I can just teach chaos and I'm safe with that, right? So I did appreciate that, but it left me feeling like I had memorized a lot but didn't know a lot. And so that's where I'll say the second training that I did, which was the Pilates Center out of Boulder Colorado, with Rachel Taylor Segel and Amy Taylor Alpers and their amazing crew. And I do recommend their program to people because it's around the world, and they have host studios everywhere, and they have virtual options. I also do, (inaudible) I do also recommend Equinox's program if you have access to them. It's very robust. They actually have a really great hybrid model of super, super super supportive help, and then also virtual options for comprehensive but that, so the Pilates Center in Boulder was the actual one that I did as my second one. I did their master's program, which was over three years, and that was several 100 more hours, and I was basically living.

Brad Crowell 8:28  

You were in and out of Boulder all the time. 

Lesley Logan 9:26  

I was in and out of Boulder so much. 

Brad Crowell 9:37  

I was like, what is this Pilates thing and why are they going to Boulder all the time?

Lesley Logan 9:40  

All the time, like every two weeks I was there.

Brad Crowell 9:42  

Are you with a cult? Why do you continue to go there?

Lesley Logan 9:45  

I know. And it was.

Brad Crowell 9:46  

That's when we first met, y'all. 

Lesley Logan 9:47  

Super fun. Whole Foods and I were best friends every single day. I think at Mod Market, I think was where I had lunch. At any rate. So that was really helpful, because they helped me get rid of trying to correct people all the time. And I actually watched bodies a little bit more, but I still don't know what that meant and I don't really know what I was doing. And then I realized that I lived down the street from Vintage and Jay Grimes studio and Sandy Shimoda and Karen Frischmann, and so I actually studied with them, and all the things I've been looking for all in one place. It gave me a lot of confidence to just like, really enjoy the process and really enjoy what Joseph Pilates created for us. And here's what I'm gonna say, no first program is ever gonna get you what my third program got me like, it's just not possible. It's not a thing. So for those of you who are like looking to become a teacher, grab my book and then find the best program that is accessible to you, that sets you up for the most success, meaning you can teach.

Brad Crowell 10:40  

Her book is called Profitable Pilates: Everything But the Exercises. And the beginning part of it helps you choose a teacher training program that is going to help you get to where you want to go. So it explains where you could potentially go, and then works backwards from there. It's really great resource.

Lesley Logan 10:56  

Yeah. And then you'll come take my mentorship when you're ready. And the thing is, is that Jay will always say

Brad Crowell 11:01  

The mentorship is for people who are already certified. Right? So first you're gonna go get certified through any of the myriad of training programs, teacher training programs that are out there. After you've gotten your certification, then you can come and do eLevate. 

Lesley Logan 11:14  

Read my book, because I explain, like, what to be really looking for. Because if you take a mat training, then you want to take my mentorship, that doesn't, that doesn't work. If you just do a Reformer, there's you do have to be trained on multiple pieces of equipment, but to put pressure on your first training program to be everything for you isn't fair to you, nor them. However, there are some shitty ones out there, so be careful and read my book and it will explain like, what to look out for. And then here's the thing, Jay would always say, like, you're not really a teacher until you've been teaching for five years, and people can take a lot of offense to that. Of course, if you've only been teaching three years, I'm a teacher. I have full classes. I get that perspective. I have to say, there's also just a lot of confidence that comes with time and with allowing yourself to be curious. And when you've been teaching for five years, you really have kind of seen a lot of things, and you've realized, like, what's important, what's not important, and hopefully you're progressing people at a better pace than you did when you were beginning. But it's, a second training program is probably in your future for most teachers, because you don't, you're not learning how to say words and understand things, so just know that and give yourself permission to not have gotten it all out of the first program because it's hard to get all that out of any first programs. 

Brad Crowell 12:29  

True. Yeah. Well, that's a great question. Melissa, thank you so much for asking. If you have a question, hit us up. You can text us at 310-905-5534, or you can hit us up on the gram or on YouTube or through our customer support anywhere you want. And I'm sure it'll work its way back here to the pod, and you'll be pleasantly surprised when your question surfaces over here. So thanks for that. Stick around, because we're about to dive in to this conversation with Nick Hiter. 

Brad Crowell 12:59  

All right. Now, let's talk about Mr. Nick Hiter, former pro athlete, Nick Hiter is a dedicated husband and father, deeply rooted in his faith. As a seasoned entrepreneur, he co-owns agency, runs a merchant processing company and operates a set of studios and a creative agency in Tennessee. That sounds like a lot. Nick is also involved in digital marketing and manages various affiliate partnerships. Additionally, Nick is the host of the Hitstreak podcast and the voice of a SiriusXM radio station. So he keeps himself, clearly, quite busy, but he obviously has also surrounded himself with quite a team. 

Lesley Logan 13:36  

Yeah, his team is amazing.

Brad Crowell 13:36  

We had a chance to meet that team, some of that team in person when we were in Nashville I don't remember a couple months back. They were super professional and had everything ready to go. I wasn't even involved in the interview, but they even made me feel like I was a guest on the show, and it was just really awesome. So a big shout out to the guys over there that we had a chance to work with and also Nick for putting together a really great crew, so. 

Brad Crowell 13:36  

I'm gonna jump in. 

Brad Crowell 13:47  

Do it. 

Lesley Logan 13:49  

But I want to just preface like, about to say something that's gonna make somebody go, oh, this episode's not for me. What I'm gonna say after this applies to everything. Okay, see your own shit in the story. 

Brad Crowell 14:13  

See your own shit. 

Lesley Logan 14:15  

Sure. Nick is like, yes, thanks for saying see your own shit. When it comes to my like, like, I don't think he cusses at all. He mentioned digital marketing is massive. He said many people don't do social media, but then blame the algorithm. He talked about like, it's the algorithm you're blaming. He says you have to take ownership of things, because it's the only way you can fix it. And when we place blame on things, we give someone else ownership, and that means you've removed yourself from being part of the solution. So this goes for everything. When you blame other people or other things for why you didn't get something done 

Brad Crowell 14:46  

Or you're not getting clients, or you're not finding teachers, or 

Lesley Logan 14:51  

You've removed yourself from the solution, and there's, I don't even know how you get the solution solved. So I agree. I actually don't ever focus on the algorithm. I don't really care. I just like, let me experiment. What can I put out? And let's see how it lands. And some of the things I'll do really, really well don't do well at all. And some of the things I'm like, this is nothing, a nothing thing, they do really, really well. So here's the thing, social media is actually not about quality, it's about quantity, which is the opposite of Pilates. But also Brad Bizjack was someone who said, we have the ability to be responsible for things. 

Brad Crowell 14:51  

Is that the Brad he kept referencing? 

Lesley Logan 14:56  

I don't know. 

Brad Crowell 15:21  

Because he referenced Brad multiple times. And I was like, did I say something?

Lesley Logan 15:31  

Yeah, and I wonder if it's Brad Bizjack, because we'll have to ask him, I don't know. But like, people get pissed off when Brad Bizjack would say, like, the things that happened to you you're responsible for, because we have the ability to respond and it allows you to not be a victim of a situation, and allows you to take ownership and lead the change of what you want to see. So I think that goes for social media, but also for anything you want to do. 

Brad Crowell 15:53  

Well, in this case, what he was talking about was the insurance business. So previous to insurance, he and his partner, I want to, I imagine it was his wife, had they were in the clubs, they were promoting, right? So they had a promoting company, and promoting was all about the hustle, connecting, getting in there, meeting people, socializing, and so they were all over the social media game, because they needed to. If you didn't play that game, you did not succeed in the world of promoting. And then when they started their insurance company, they just transitioned that momentum over to doing insurance. And he said it created a massive leg up for them, because at the time, no one else was doing social media in the insurance game. And they slayed, right? And it really set them up to create that foundation. But all that rolls into what I want to talk about, which was he talked about your personal brand, and it being your reputation online. He said he started off as a pro athlete, and it allowed him to get his foot in the door at a lot of different places because of his reputation. But just because he was a pro athlete didn't mean he had an online personal brand. He said, once he they had established the online brand for himself, for Nick Hiter and then was consistently delivering quality content and creating an audience around it, he said at this point, we could launch any business we want and we could leverage the personal brand and roll it into whatever business we wanted to.

Lesley Logan 17:20  

JLo has gyms, guys, you know that? She's got gyms, like, what's her name? Goldie Hawn's daughter, she's got clothing. She's got making music. Once you have this reputation, people know and trust, they'll follow anything that you're going to do. 

Brad Crowell 17:34  

Yeah, and we tell all of our clients with agency, hey, focus on one thing first. So if you're going to open a Pilates studio, don't also open a yoga studio and a gym and a thing and a whatever, unless you're happening to roll them all into one and they're marketing it as that one thing. But you have to build that foundation first of the one thing, and then from there, once you've created that notoriety, once you've built that trust, then you can, like, introduce speaking gigs or workshop gigs or other things, or start a podcast or do other things. 

Speaker 1 18:04  

I know we meet people all the time, like, I want to have my on-demand membership. I'm going to have a podcast. I want to do a retreat. And I'm like, okay, do you have a team? Do you have money? Because if you don't have both of those things, you can do one of those things very well on your own, but all three not at the same time. 

Brad Crowell 18:19  

Yeah. So with the personal brand, he said, Hey, it's so important to take it seriously. Pretend your personal brand is a company. He said, when life gets busy, it's most often the thing that takes a back seat, and at the end of the day, it is the foundation for anything else that you want to do down the road. So he talked about it the entire show. So it was great. I really appreciated it. He said, It's a commitment. Put your personal brand on a level of importance, just like other things in your life, like family, kids, business. 

Speaker 1 18:47  

I mean, I think that's a, and here's the thing, it's like, do you know what your priorities are? Because I think most people say their priorities are the growth of their business and their family and their kids and their whatever. And then when you look at their schedule, you see it's answering emails, paying the bills, going grocery shopping, so like, make sure that your priorities are really in your schedule, and you can make that commitment. 

Brad Crowell 19:10  

Yeah, love it. Stick around. We're gonna cover those Be It Action Items in just a sec. 

Brad Crowell 19:13  

All right. So finally, let's talk about those, Be It Action Items. What bold, executable, intrinsic or targeted action items can we take away from your convo with Nick Hiter? He said, "Everything you do has got to be done on purpose. The difference between major league pitcher and the little league pitcher is the size target they can hit. The more specific you are with the targets and your goals, the better chances you have of hitting them." Nick explained, he actually had a ton of metaphors and a lot of quotes. I was joking with Lesley earlier, and I said, I think that if you live in Nashville, like when you move in, they just give you a book of quotes because all the Nashville guys that we interview, they rattle off quotes. It's really impressive because they're totally applicable for the moment. But I'm like, I don't have that in my what is, I need more, I need quotes from Wayne Gretzky like he quoted at the very end. He said, you don't win the championship by accident, you choose it, and that was the goal that you wanted. So you do the work. In fact, the quote he said was just the Gretzky quote is, "You win the game before you even step on the ice." Right? And I was like, wow. Mindset, powerful confidence. I've got this. That's amazing to me. I mean, everything you do has got to be on purpose. So love it. What about you? 

Lesley Logan 20:27  

Well, more quotes. He quoted Bruce Lee. 

Brad Crowell 20:30  

He did. He also quoted Bruce Lee. 

Lesley Logan 20:31  

By the way, I did a Bruce Lee exercise today in my Pilates session, because this other guy from Korea did it and I was like, and my teacher, Ken, was like, oh, Lesley, you could do that. And I was like, I, I'm gonna do it, obviously. And you know what, guys, I hadn't done it in like, 10 years, and I fucking did it. 

Brad Crowell 20:31  

Nice. 

Lesley Logan 20:47  

So we're channeling Bruce Lee today. 

Brad Crowell 20:49  

We're channeling.

Lesley Logan 20:50  

He said, "You're casting spells on yourself with the words that you say." So when people ask Nick how he's doing, his response is, "I'm unstoppable."

Brad Crowell 20:58  

I'm unstoppable. Talk about an amazing response. 

Lesley Logan 21:02  

Yes, I'm unstoppable. And by the way, it does make me think of Cafe Gratitude. It's like, I'm gonna honor the unstoppable bowl. And when they bring it to you, they're like, you are unstoppable.

Brad Crowell 21:12  

I mean, I made this decision a long time ago. When people ask me, what do I say? 

Lesley Logan 21:17  

I'm amazing. 

Brad Crowell 21:17  

I'm amazing. Yeah. 

Lesley Logan 21:19  

You probably should stop saying when people say, what are you up to? You have to stop saying, "Drugs."

Brad Crowell 21:23  

Oh, maybe I have to stop saying drugs. 

Brad Crowell 21:25  

You are casting a spell on yourself. 

Brad Crowell 21:26  

That's been my quote for 25 years or my joke for 25 years. 

Lesley Logan 21:28  

I know and people don't think that. They don't know that you're joking. They think that you're serious. 

Brad Crowell 21:32  

So, what do you do? I used to just say drugs. 

Lesley Logan 21:34  

Yeah. What do you do for a living? It's like, drugs. And like, they just stop, now, because they, now people

Brad Crowell 21:40  

Yeah, now they're like, can, can you? Is he? 

Lesley Logan 21:41  

Well, because now so many drugs are legal, they think it's true. So like, you gotta, you have to come up with something better, because you're casting spells on yourself, and it's not good. Okay. He says at enough times he actually believes that everything takes repetition. And he talked about when people ask most people say, "I'm good." And he said, "Well, guess what? That's all you're gonna be." I'm good. I was like, oh, I don't want to just be good. I'll be fucking amazing. 

Brad Crowell 22:05  

Yeah, I want to be unstoppable. 

Lesley Logan 22:07  

Yeah, yeah. So, you know, everyone, just start looking up different—are those adjectives? What's unstoppable? Is that a verb? 

Brad Crowell 22:12  

I have no idea.

Lesley Logan 22:12  

Is it an adverb? You guys, I cheated all through English class, so I'm just gonna tell you right now. I will never know. Sometimes I don't really know the differences semicolon and a colon. So. 

Brad Crowell 22:12  

It's an adjective. 

Lesley Logan 22:14  

It's an adjective. Well, look at me. I was around the first I should have just trusted myself. I should just had the confidence to just go, "It's an adjective." At any rate, you guys just look up adjectives and then pull out five that strike your fancy and try them on and say them enough times—you'll believe them. I'm Lesley Logan. 

Brad Crowell 22:46  

And I'm Brad Crowell. 

Lesley Logan 22:46  

Thank you so much for listening to us today. This is amazing. I hope if you haven't yet listened to Nick.

Brad Crowell 22:51  

This is unstoppable. 

Lesley Logan 22:52  

It's unstoppable. You know what this is? It's fucking awesome. This is one of the best podcasts you've ever listened to. I know it. So what are you gonna do with this episode? You're gonna share it with a friend. 

Brad Crowell 23:00  

You are going to share it with a friend. 

Lesley Logan 23:01  

You're gonna share it with a friend. We're gonna say it one more time. Share this with a friend. You can text it. You can tweet it, you can email it however you communicate. 

Brad Crowell 23:08  

You can X it. 

Lesley Logan 23:09  

You can carry-your-pigeon it to somebody and because this is how the show grows. And also check out what Nick's doing if that was inspiring for you. Until next time, Be It Till You See It. 

Brad Crowell 23:21  

Bye for now. 

Lesley Logan 23:23  

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Brad Crowell 24:05  

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Lesley Logan 24:10  

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Brad Crowell 24:15  

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Lesley Logan 24:22  

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Brad Crowell 24:25  

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